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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:05:00 -
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- Spider tanking increases slightly in popularity.
- Your choice is blob warfare.
- ECM is the new FotM.
- HACs become useless. The price of them will plummet.
- Battlecruisers and battleships will rule the universe in empire and lowsec.
- 0.0 truly becomes capitals and cyno alts online.
- Modest loss of subscriptions. Let's be honest, there are more Raven flying Mission runners than anything.
- Blasters boats become obsolete.
- Significant increase in drake and drone boat prices, sales, and usage.
- Arazus are going to double in price if they haven't already.
- The price of Snakes drops by 40% or more.
- The prices of Slaves increase by 30% or so.
- The prices of Centurions increase by 30% or more.
- Combat recons get cheap, and useless, fast.
- Rolling your head across the F1-F8 keys becomes the new way to play.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:06:00 -
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lol.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:07:00 -
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Why would Arazus double in price? The MWD shutdown effect only applies to scramblers, and as far as I know the Arazu's bonus only works for the disruptors.
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Plave Okice
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tamia Clant and as far as I know the Arazu's bonus only works for the disruptors.
Incorrect.
And I agree with most of that Xaen
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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tamia Clant Why would Arazus double in price? The MWD shutdown effect only applies to scramblers, and as far as I know the Arazu's bonus only works for the disruptors.
Then your knowing has fallen short of reality. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:08:00 -
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Why helo thar all my sp. Have a good trip to uselessness.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tamia Clant Why would Arazus double in price? The MWD shutdown effect only applies to scramblers, and as far as I know the Arazu's bonus only works for the disruptors.
Works for both
And lol @ op
SKUNK
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
- HACs become useless. The price of them will plummet.
- Modest loss of subscriptions. Let's be honest, there are more Raven flying Mission runners than anything.
- Significant increase in drake and drone boat prices, sales, and usage.
- Arazus are going to double in price if they haven't already.
- The price of Snakes drops by 40% or more.
- The prices of Slaves increase by 30% or so.
- The prices of Centurions increase by 30% or more.
- Combat recons get cheap, and useless, fast.
Stick around and see how accurate I am!
Those points seems fairly unlikely.
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TheG2
Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: TheG2 on 25/07/2008 18:13:22 I predict you'll be about as accurate as my local weather man (not very).
And that, is a prediction you can count on. Thanks for watching, stay classy San Diego.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:10:00 -
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Huginn/Rapier will still bring the enemy to a screeching halt. Arazu will just turn off their MWD. Falcon will still be essential as a combat multiplier.
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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Euriti Why helo thar all my sp. Have a good trip to uselessness.
Yeah no doubt.
Three races' cruiser Vs for nothing (cause I don't have the one that gets me into the inevitable falonfest).
Luckily I've spent the last couple of months training to join Capitals OnlineÖ. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Xaen
- HACs become useless. The price of them will plummet.
- Modest loss of subscriptions. Let's be honest, there are more Raven flying Mission runners than anything.
- Significant increase in drake and drone boat prices, sales, and usage.
- Arazus are going to double in price if they haven't already.
- The price of Snakes drops by 40% or more.
- The prices of Slaves increase by 30% or so.
- The prices of Centurions increase by 30% or more.
- Combat recons get cheap, and useless, fast.
Stick around and see how accurate I am!
Those points seems fairly unlikely.
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Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:16:00 -
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I guess you are pretty right. Though they really should deal with the problems once they become reality on Sisi.
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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: TheG2 Edited by: TheG2 on 25/07/2008 18:13:22 I predict you'll be about as accurate as my local weather man (not very).
And that, is a prediction you can count on. Thanks for watching, stay classy San Diego.
Optimal range for a medium blaster w/void is about 3.2km. And without a web and a scram the transversal on the target ship is going to be too high to hit. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
TheG2
Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: TheG2 Edited by: TheG2 on 25/07/2008 18:13:22 I predict you'll be about as accurate as my local weather man (not very).
And that, is a prediction you can count on. Thanks for watching, stay classy San Diego.
Optimal range for a medium blaster w/void is about 3.2km. And without a web and a scram the transversal on the target ship is going to be too high to hit.
I had edited my post because it was covered earlier but I'll repost it so your reply makes sense.
Sorry, I was referencing Battleships with large blasters, not medium ships which have more maneuverability. Regardless of what you've posted, the ship will have enough speed to easy coast within the required range for it's blasters to be within or near optimal range. Once within the range yourself, you can web and cut the enemies MWD yourself.
For instance: Battleship is moving at 800m/s towards its target, it comes within 10km, web hits, it slows to 500m/s by the time he hits 7.5km/s where his MWD gets cut, he continues to drift closer to his target (because he has also cut off his targets MWD and webbed him) and well within to optimal range. The fight is now exactly as before except web is slightly less effective, so if the smaller ship is using an AB instead of a MWD, they choose their fit correctly and therefore should have an advantage in this case.
Let me know if this isn't clear enough because I think all the whine about blasterboats being incredibly nerfed is being blown a bit out of proportion.
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: TheG2 Edited by: TheG2 on 25/07/2008 18:13:22 I predict you'll be about as accurate as my local weather man (not very).
And that, is a prediction you can count on. Thanks for watching, stay classy San Diego.
Optimal range for a medium blaster w/void is about 3.2km. And without a web and a scram the transversal on the target ship is going to be too high to hit.
So...
If youre within optimal, and have scrammed the target his MWD shuts off.
So he's sat there with only his base speed available, if webbed not even that (I hear gallent ships have nice drone bays; web drones anyone?). Where exactly is he going to get all that transversal from?
C.
Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen Wah wah wah, CCP nerfed my ship
I doubt it - these changes barely affect battleships (blaster boats excepted), and strongly favor smaller classes of ships since they once again have the speed advantage that they were always supposed to have (but nanofits took away from them).
I think we'll see a lot more cruisers and frigs being used in small pvp actions, myself. Get in, take a few shots, and use their superior speed to get out and warp out before they suffer too many losses. CCP said it would boost guerrilla-type warfare and I can honestly see it happening.
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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: TheG2
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: TheG2 Edited by: TheG2 on 25/07/2008 18:13:22 I predict you'll be about as accurate as my local weather man (not very).
And that, is a prediction you can count on. Thanks for watching, stay classy San Diego.
Optimal range for a medium blaster w/void is about 3.2km. And without a web and a scram the transversal on the target ship is going to be too high to hit.
I had edited my post because it was covered earlier but I'll repost it so your reply makes sense.
Sorry, I was referencing Battleships with large blasters, not medium ships which have more maneuverability. Regardless of what you've posted, the ship will have enough speed to easy coast within the required range for it's blasters to be within or near optimal range. Once within the range yourself, you can web and cut the enemies MWD yourself.
For instance: Battleship is moving at 800m/s towards its target, it comes within 10km, web hits, it slows to 500m/s by the time he hits 7.5km/s where his MWD gets cut, he continues to drift closer to his target (because he has also cut off his targets MWD and webbed him) and well within to optimal range. The fight is now exactly as before except web is slightly less effective, so if the smaller ship is using an AB instead of a MWD, they choose their fit correctly and therefore should have an advantage in this case.
Let me know if this isn't clear enough because I think all the whine about blasterboats being incredibly nerfed is being blown a bit out of proportion.
It's clear enough, it just isn't realistic.
Fit an afterburner so you can be the fast one with the scrams in play and you can't catch the MWD boat for the initial slowdown.
Fit a MWD to catch the afterburner boat, and he shuts off your MWD and burns away. You play can and mouse nano style, but slower.
You both fit afterburners: the ship with the faster innate speed dictates the fight. If he's running, he gets way, if he's chasing, you die.
In terms of commitment to a fight, it's worse than without these mechanics. You've got more opportunities to break off the engagements on both sides. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
TheG2
Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: TheG2
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: TheG2 Edited by: TheG2 on 25/07/2008 18:13:22 I predict you'll be about as accurate as my local weather man (not very).
And that, is a prediction you can count on. Thanks for watching, stay classy San Diego.
Optimal range for a medium blaster w/void is about 3.2km. And without a web and a scram the transversal on the target ship is going to be too high to hit.
I had edited my post because it was covered earlier but I'll repost it so your reply makes sense.
Sorry, I was referencing Battleships with large blasters, not medium ships which have more maneuverability. Regardless of what you've posted, the ship will have enough speed to easy coast within the required range for it's blasters to be within or near optimal range. Once within the range yourself, you can web and cut the enemies MWD yourself.
For instance: Battleship is moving at 800m/s towards its target, it comes within 10km, web hits, it slows to 500m/s by the time he hits 7.5km/s where his MWD gets cut, he continues to drift closer to his target (because he has also cut off his targets MWD and webbed him) and well within to optimal range. The fight is now exactly as before except web is slightly less effective, so if the smaller ship is using an AB instead of a MWD, they choose their fit correctly and therefore should have an advantage in this case.
Let me know if this isn't clear enough because I think all the whine about blasterboats being incredibly nerfed is being blown a bit out of proportion.
It's clear enough, it just isn't realistic.
Fit an afterburner so you can be the fast one with the scrams in play and you can't catch the MWD boat for the initial slowdown.
Fit a MWD to catch the afterburner boat, and he shuts off your MWD and burns away. You play can and mouse nano style, but slower.
You both fit afterburners: the ship with the faster innate speed dictates the fight. If he's running, he gets way, if he's chasing, you die.
In terms of commitment to a fight, it's worse than without these mechanics. You've got more opportunities to break off the engagements on both sides.
Luckily combat isn't planned and you usually surprise your target. Whats nice about these changes is it varies what people are going to fit now.
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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: TheG2 Edited by: TheG2 on 25/07/2008 18:13:22 I predict you'll be about as accurate as my local weather man (not very).
And that, is a prediction you can count on. Thanks for watching, stay classy San Diego.
Optimal range for a medium blaster w/void is about 3.2km. And without a web and a scram the transversal on the target ship is going to be too high to hit.
So...
If youre within optimal, and have scrammed the target his MWD shuts off.
So he's sat there with only his base speed available, if webbed not even that (I hear gallent ships have nice drone bays; web drones anyone?). Where exactly is he going to get all that transversal from?
C.
Reread please, you missed the bolded part somehow. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
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Siona Windweaver
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 25/07/2008 18:35:36 You forgot to add;
I think that completes your list.
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:36:00 -
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All HACs?
What about Drone HACs or the Amarrian Missile boats? I would guess those will go up/or stay the same.
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TheG2
Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: TheG2 Edited by: TheG2 on 25/07/2008 18:13:22 I predict you'll be about as accurate as my local weather man (not very).
And that, is a prediction you can count on. Thanks for watching, stay classy San Diego.
Optimal range for a medium blaster w/void is about 3.2km. And without a web and a scram the transversal on the target ship is going to be too high to hit.
So...
If youre within optimal, and have scrammed the target his MWD shuts off.
So he's sat there with only his base speed available, if webbed not even that (I hear gallent ships have nice drone bays; web drones anyone?). Where exactly is he going to get all that transversal from?
C.
Reread please, you missed the bolded part somehow.
If you're engaging in PVP solo without a web and a scram (post patch this seems to be the way to go) you're doomed to fail anyways so your point is invalid.
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OVERCOPES 1
Amarr Amarr Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:40:00 -
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uuuuuuuuuuum what blasterboat goes out without a web a scrambler?
Technolisa>those yellow things work better than platinum insurance :P |
Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen It's clear enough, it just isn't realistic.
Fit an afterburner so you can be the fast one with the scrams in play and you can't catch the MWD boat for the initial slowdown.
Fit a MWD to catch the afterburner boat, and he shuts off your MWD and burns away. You play can and mouse nano style, but slower.
You both fit afterburners: the ship with the faster innate speed dictates the fight. If he's running, he gets way, if he's chasing, you die.
In terms of commitment to a fight, it's worse than without these mechanics. You've got more opportunities to break off the engagements on both sides.
If hes got a AB fitted, by your line of argument he wont have a scram fitted as he couldnt catch a MWD fitted ship.
Youre making too many assumptions I think.
C.
Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Barker All HACs?
What about Drone HACs or the Amarrian Missile boats? I would guess those will go up/or stay the same.
A non nano ishtar is rather crap.
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Aria Seniste
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Zephyr Rengate
Originally by: Jinx Barker All HACs?
What about Drone HACs or the Amarrian Missile boats? I would guess those will go up/or stay the same.
A non nano ishtar is rather crap.
Not really. The fact that you believe this shows the problem with nanos in the first place.
Also: Web nerf. Consider it.
You can bring these "nerfed" HACs (which will still probably get 2~2.5km/s) into web range now without it being suicide.
Inties can fight in web range, still getting 50%~ of their speed... web range is no longer suicide. Maybe assault frigates get a role now. HACs can fight close range and still run. You still need a 24k point to tackle effectively, and the room to fit a point AND a scram AND a web.. is nonexistant.
If they have a web, you can probably still MWD. If they have a scram, you get your full speed, minus the MWD, without a web.
Either way, close range is no longer suicide for small ships.
This is good.
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Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:54:00 -
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Ever fitted a non nano ishtar? Its a pain in the arse, short on CPU. Also if you go for a active tank you will be fighting in structure due to the tiny amount of armor it has. Flying a dominix would be so much better then an ishtar. Stronger tank, higher dps (depends on fits).
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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Siona Windweaver Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 25/07/2008 18:35:36 You forgot to add;
I think that completes your list.
If you'd read it carefully I think you'll realize I didn't even attempt to portray the changes in that bad a light. That's just what I foresee happening based on experience with EVE players at large, not my personal opinions.
People act like Snakes are going to be as cheap as Halos. They aren't. You'll have people who think they're worthless, but then people who think that since everyone else thinks they are worthless that they'll be able to get them cheaply, so demand doesn't dive that badly, thus the prices don't even drop by 50%.
But shutting off a MWD with a scram? That's like a neut and a web all rolled into one. Imma be dusting off my Arazu skills. Decloak, damp, scram, pwn. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sgt Napalm I predict your wrong
Sarge
My what is wrong? - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
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Major Stallion
The Dark Horses
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
ECM is the new FotM.
and has been for some time...
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OVERCOPES 1
Amarr Amarr Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Plave Okice
Originally by: Tamia Clant and as far as I know the Arazu's bonus only works for the disruptors.
Incorrect.
And I agree with most of that Xaen
No you are wrong,i suggest you re read the dev blog.
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Major Stallion
The Dark Horses
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tamia Clant Why would Arazus double in price? The MWD shutdown effect only applies to scramblers, and as far as I know the Arazu's bonus only works for the disruptors.
you fail at reading role bonuses...
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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Ever fitted a non nano ishtar? Its a pain in the arse, short on CPU. Also if you go for a active tank you will be fighting in structure due to the tiny amount of armor it has. Flying a dominix would be so much better then an ishtar. Stronger tank, higher dps (depends on fits).
I've fitted one in EFT, then laughed at it, and flown my trusty dominix instead for precisely the reasons you list. The dominix is cheaper, has more HP, it can fit heavy neuts & NOS, and has more utility mids to boot.
Only now instead of an ECCM I'll fit a 7.5k scram for the coup de grGce. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Barker All HACs?
What about Drone HACs or the Amarrian Missile boats? I would guess those will go up/or stay the same.
The Zealot is already outclassed by a mere harbinger for dps & lazors. The sac is alright. And might actually shine now that I think about it. The popular opinion is it's a better missile boat than the cerb. The vagabond might make it ok, but the Deimos was always garbage, and the armor tanked ishtar is utterly outclassed by the dominix in every way. Nearly no one uses the eagle or Muninn today because you can replace them more cheaply with a sniper BS.
So we'll be left with a few cerbs, some sacriliges, maybe the vagabond. Gallente got screwed hard. I'm guessing those people will switch to Arazus now. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
TheG2
Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Ever fitted a non nano ishtar? Its a pain in the arse, short on CPU. Also if you go for a active tank you will be fighting in structure due to the tiny amount of armor it has. Flying a dominix would be so much better then an ishtar. Stronger tank, higher dps (depends on fits).
You're doing it wrong, my ishtar has a 800dps tank.
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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: Xaen on 25/07/2008 19:23:04
Originally by: TheG2
Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Ever fitted a non nano ishtar? Its a pain in the arse, short on CPU. Also if you go for a active tank you will be fighting in structure due to the tiny amount of armor it has. Flying a dominix would be so much better then an ishtar. Stronger tank, higher dps (depends on fits).
You're doing it wrong, my ishtar has a 800dps tank.
Post the fit. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:24:00 -
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seriously, arazu's are not going to be much good even with this new ability; in order to turn off someone's mwd they will need to be within 18km of the target. at that range even 3 damps don't keep you safe against a BS (or cruiser with a sensor booster) so the arazu will get killed as soon as he's locked.
the arazu is a cloak-tanker, if he's being targetted he can't cloak. death.
lachesis might benefit, but even then it's got no tank and really can only hope it's not primary.
it could turn out differently, but i'm not particularly hopeful. it may be a good time to be selling gallente recons though, cos lots of them are going to be killed!
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TheG2
Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen Edited by: Xaen on 25/07/2008 19:23:04
Originally by: TheG2
Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Ever fitted a non nano ishtar? Its a pain in the arse, short on CPU. Also if you go for a active tank you will be fighting in structure due to the tiny amount of armor it has. Flying a dominix would be so much better then an ishtar. Stronger tank, higher dps (depends on fits).
You're doing it wrong, my ishtar has a 800dps tank.
Post the fit.
Why would I post my fit? If you can't figure it out, good for me, bad for you.
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Ikathis sihtaki
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Xaen
- HACs become useless. The price of them will plummet.
- Modest loss of subscriptions. Let's be honest, there are more Raven flying Mission runners than anything.
- Significant increase in drake and drone boat prices, sales, and usage.
- Arazus are going to double in price if they haven't already.
- The price of Snakes drops by 40% or more.
- The prices of Slaves increase by 30% or so.
- The prices of Centurions increase by 30% or more.
- Combat recons get cheap, and useless, fast.
Stick around and see how accurate I am!
Those points seems fairly unlikely.
Your undestanding seems fairly unlikely
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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: TheG2
Originally by: Xaen Edited by: Xaen on 25/07/2008 19:23:04
Originally by: TheG2
Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Ever fitted a non nano ishtar? Its a pain in the arse, short on CPU. Also if you go for a active tank you will be fighting in structure due to the tiny amount of armor it has. Flying a dominix would be so much better then an ishtar. Stronger tank, higher dps (depends on fits).
You're doing it wrong, my ishtar has a 800dps tank.
Post the fit.
Why would I post my fit? If you can't figure it out, good for me, bad for you.
Because I don't believe you. And honestly, it would be pretty sweet, but I don't see how without faction/deadspace/officer mods. This is your chance to prove yourself better at Ishtar fitting than me.
But in all likelyhood, I'll just fly the dominix instead. It's cheaper, more HP, more util slots, long range neuts. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: TheG2
Why would I post my fit? If you can't figure it out, good for me, bad for you.
To prove that ur not just talking our your ass. 800dps tank on an ishtar? only if you spend 5b on faction mods. i'm willing to bet that you haven't.
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Relleh
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:49:00 -
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Can get a better tank out of the navy vexor then from an ishtar also this won't affect the fleet ishtar dla and assign ogre 2 to an inty |
Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:52:00 -
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I want to see this 800 dps tank ishtar.
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Hieronimus Rex
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
- Spider tanking increases slightly in popularity.
- Your choice is blob warfare.
- ECM is the new FotM.
- HACs become useless. The price of them will plummet.
- Battlecruisers and battleships will rule the universe in empire and lowsec.
- 0.0 truly becomes capitals and cyno alts online.
- Modest loss of subscriptions. Let's be honest, there are more Raven flying Mission runners than anything.
- Blasters boats become obsolete.
- Significant increase in drake and drone boat prices, sales, and usage.
- Arazus are going to double in price if they haven't already.
- The price of Snakes drops by 40% or more.
- The prices of Slaves increase by 30% or so.
- The prices of Centurions increase by 30% or more.
- Combat recons get cheap, and useless, fast.
- Rolling your head across the F1-F8 keys becomes the new way to play.
Stick around and see how accurate I am!
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:29:00 -
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You know, all this time the nanobois have been saying "adapt or die", all those "PVPers" (or should I say "WCS alternate users"). Well... Adapt or die :)
Buhbye now.
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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:33:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Tzar'rim You know, all this time the nanobois have been saying "adapt or die", all those "PVPers" (or should I say "WCS alternate users"). Well... Adapt or die :)
Buhbye now.
I still have my venerable dual rep nos dominix to fall back on.
*shrug*
The real issue here is Diablo III and AoC, not nano nerfs. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
TheG2
Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:35:00 -
[48]
I'm not posting my exact fitting, but its a shield tank. T2 only, no faction.
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Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:37:00 -
[49]
Originally by: TheG2 I'm not posting my exact fitting, but its a shield tank. T2 only, no faction.
This the 800 dps tanked ishtar? Thats not a pvp ship, what good is it? Ok dps but no tackle? Post a pvp setup that tanks 800 dps.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:40:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Xaen
- Spider tanking increases slightly in popularity.
- Your choice is blob warfare.
- ECM is the new FotM.
- HACs become useless. The price of them will plummet.
- Battlecruisers and battleships will rule the universe in empire and lowsec.
- 0.0 truly becomes capitals and cyno alts online.
- Modest loss of subscriptions. Let's be honest, there are more Raven flying Mission runners than anything.
- Blasters boats become obsolete.
- Significant increase in drake and drone boat prices, sales, and usage.
- Arazus are going to double in price if they haven't already.
- The price of Snakes drops by 40% or more.
- The prices of Slaves increase by 30% or so.
- The prices of Centurions increase by 30% or more.
- Combat recons get cheap, and useless, fast.
- Rolling your head across the F1-F8 keys becomes the new way to play.
Stick around and see how accurate I am!
Oh, I'm quoting and BM'ing this stoopid thread.
ECM is already FOTM, BS/BC already rule low sec and 0.0 is already capitals online.
It's not even on SiSi and you already think you know exactly what will happen, so stoopid. --
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Lt Angus
Caldari Lt Angus Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:40:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Zephyr Rengate
Originally by: TheG2 I'm not posting my exact fitting, but its a shield tank. T2 only, no faction.
This the 800 dps tanked ishtar? Thats not a pvp ship, what good is it? Ok dps but no tackle? Post a pvp setup that tanks 800 dps.
and a shield tanked domi still tanks more for less in stupid useless setups
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TheG2
Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:45:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Zephyr Rengate
Originally by: TheG2 I'm not posting my exact fitting, but its a shield tank. T2 only, no faction.
This the 800 dps tanked ishtar? Thats not a pvp ship, what good is it? Ok dps but no tackle? Post a pvp setup that tanks 800 dps.
In tackle it'll tank 500 or so DPS. And just because it doesn't have tackle doesn't mean it isn't PVP, not all ships need to tackle, thats why you have fleets.
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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:47:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Vaal Erit
Originally by: Xaen
- Spider tanking increases slightly in popularity.
- Your choice is blob warfare.
- ECM is the new FotM.
- HACs become useless. The price of them will plummet.
- Battlecruisers and battleships will rule the universe in empire and lowsec.
- 0.0 truly becomes capitals and cyno alts online.
- Modest loss of subscriptions. Let's be honest, there are more Raven flying Mission runners than anything.
- Blasters boats become obsolete.
- Significant increase in drake and drone boat prices, sales, and usage.
- Arazus are going to double in price if they haven't already.
- The price of Snakes drops by 40% or more.
- The prices of Slaves increase by 30% or so.
- The prices of Centurions increase by 30% or more.
- Combat recons get cheap, and useless, fast.
- Rolling your head across the F1-F8 keys becomes the new way to play.
Stick around and see how accurate I am!
Oh, I'm quoting and BM'ing this stoopid thread.
ECM is already FOTM, BS/BC already rule low sec and 0.0 is already capitals online.
It's not even on SiSi and you already think you know exactly what will happen, so stoopid.
It's just what I think will happen.
I'm as interested in where I'll be wrong as where I'll be right.
I already bookmarked it.
It was more for the sake of seeing how good at judging the EVE community as a whole than the speed nerf whine everyone seems to think it is. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
Major Stallion
The Dark Horses
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:47:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Hieronimus Rex
Originally by: Xaen
- Spider tanking increases slightly in popularity.
- Your choice is blob warfare.
- ECM is the new FotM.
- HACs become useless. The price of them will plummet.
- Battlecruisers and battleships will rule the universe in empire and lowsec.
- 0.0 truly becomes capitals and cyno alts online.
- Modest loss of subscriptions. Let's be honest, there are more Raven flying Mission runners than anything.
- Blasters boats become obsolete.
- Significant increase in drake and drone boat prices, sales, and usage.
- Arazus are going to double in price if they haven't already.
- The price of Snakes drops by 40% or more.
- The prices of Slaves increase by 30% or so.
- The prices of Centurions increase by 30% or more.
- Combat recons get cheap, and useless, fast.
- Rolling your head across the F1-F8 keys becomes the new way to play.
Stick around and see how accurate I am!
CCP introduces "EVE NEED FOR NGE" initiative Forums become flooded with NGE analogies
I C WUT U DID THAR! For as much whining thats going on here on these forums though, its never likely to approach the NGE point. Unless of course the Devs decide to cave to the infulx of "WHY ISNT THIS MORE LIKE WOW IN SPACE?!?" crowd...at which point, this game will cease to exist as we know it.
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Dizeezer Velar
Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:50:00 -
[55]
lol back to flying the first t2 fitted pvp ship i trained for. The HAM drake. Guess i'll max out a torp raven too. Time to mothball the zealot, curse and mega. [/url] |
Mu Yaling
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:51:00 -
[56]
Xaen is pretty accurate,
Lavista vista, is as usual not.
also,
Posting in an Eve is changing *OMG* thread.
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Wasted Mind
Gallente Syntech Research and Development Lords of the Damned
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:57:00 -
[57]
Yes that's right all because you can no longer travel at 8k+ speed suddenly half the ships in eve will be broken. Give me a break. In the grand scheme of things ppl nano fitting their ships is a pretty new tactic as far as game age goes and all the ships your afraid will become worthless still worked fine in their intended roles before people even knew what a nano fit was. Sorry but half the ships you ppl nano were never intended to fill the role of an interceptor. I am looking forward to the change because for the first time in a long while it's not going to be a giant speed race over and over again in small gang combat.
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APEXrevived
Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:59:00 -
[58]
agreed xaen. i do not believe there is a rampant inbalance regarding nano setups. there are plenty of counters to my vagabond.
it's very dangerous change for not a good enough reason. please see SWG Combat Upgrade
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Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.07.25 21:00:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Wasted Mind Yes that's right all because you can no longer travel at 8k+ speed suddenly half the ships in eve will be broken. Give me a break. In the grand scheme of things ppl nano fitting their ships is a pretty new tactic as far as game age goes and all the ships your afraid will become worthless still worked fine in their intended roles before people even knew what a nano fit was. Sorry but half the ships you ppl nano were never intended to fill the role of an interceptor. I am looking forward to the change because for the first time in a long while it's not going to be a giant speed race over and over again in small gang combat.
What gangs do you fly with? Im flying atm in a small recon gang. And we are not nano. Dont assume things.
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Neth'Rae
Gallente Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.25 21:03:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Dirk Magnum Arazu will just turn off their MWD.
Just turn off their MWD? You know any ship without a mwd that can go faster than an arazu with? :P
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.25 21:22:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Crumplecorn on 25/07/2008 21:22:44
Originally by: TheG2 Sorry, I was referencing Battleships with large blasters, not medium ships which have more maneuverability. Regardless of what you've posted, the ship will have enough speed to easy coast within the required range for it's blasters to be within or near optimal range. Once within the range yourself, you can web and cut the enemies MWD yourself.
the enemies MWD
Nobody is suggesting there is an issue attacking other MWD boats, because there isn't one. Against AB boats, replace that last step with 'you can web and sit there as they AB away while you are stuck with base speed'. -
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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.25 21:31:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Aria Seniste
Originally by: Zephyr Rengate
Originally by: Jinx Barker All HACs?
What about Drone HACs or the Amarrian Missile boats? I would guess those will go up/or stay the same.
A non nano ishtar is rather crap.
Not really. The fact that you believe this shows the problem with nanos in the first place.
Also: Web nerf. Consider it.
You can bring these "nerfed" HACs (which will still probably get 2~2.5km/s) into web range now without it being suicide.
Inties can fight in web range, still getting 50%~ of their speed... web range is no longer suicide. Maybe assault frigates get a role now. HACs can fight close range and still run. You still need a 24k point to tackle effectively, and the room to fit a point AND a scram AND a web.. is nonexistant.
If they have a web, you can probably still MWD. If they have a scram, you get your full speed, minus the MWD, without a web.
Either way, close range is no longer suicide for small ships.
This is good.
You know what's wrong with cruiser active tanking?
Doesn't have the buffer for it and you need buffer for it, active tanking usually revolves around taking damage while repairing some of it to slow down the loss of hp, in very few cases you tank all damage. With 2000 armor you don't have this buffer. You dont have the structure buffer either
You have this on a BC.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.07.25 21:37:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Xaen [list] HACs become useless. The price of them will plummet.
I'll buy your cerbs
and I think other HACs will do just fine....
other than that I mostly agree --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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OVERCOPES 1
Amarr Amarr Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.07.25 21:38:00 -
[64]
Edited by: OVERCOPES 1 on 25/07/2008 21:41:55
Originally by: APEXrevived agreed xaen. i do not believe there is a rampant inbalance regarding nano setups. there are plenty of counters to my vagabond.
it's very dangerous change for not a good enough reason. please see SWG Combat Upgrade
Plz see gankageddon nerf,plz see EWAR nerf,plz see nos nerf,plz see fitting torps to cruisers and cruise missles to frigate nerf,i could go on.
Guess what the game still grows,so GTFO out of EvE if you cant adapt.
And if you dont think there is an imbalance to nanos you are one seriously deluded person.
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GallenteCitizen20080615
Gallente Federation War News
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Posted - 2008.07.25 21:42:00 -
[65]
Edited by: GallenteCitizen20080615 on 25/07/2008 21:44:35 wow that 0.0 firght you are describing isnt right
our allaince hasnt had the need to use a cap for almost a week and we been doing fleet or small gang warfare
50 man non cap fleet head to us and that was fun
P.S the "nano nerf" doesnt effect player that didnt pick it as there flavour of the month hell we had a small nano HAC gang that has a crap FC as we killed them all with a bunch of sniper megas, couple of rapiers and curses and all 22 of then died =)
dont even tell me it cant be done, because it can and i never picked NANO as i prefer to actually have something on my armour other than bubble paper
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2008.07.25 22:54:00 -
[66]
one thing i will say is ccp should have come out a year ago and said they were taking a good hard look at speed tank/nanos before we got to this point then boom hey too bad we are changing it.
many will cheer many will cry some will adapt and eve will go on in the end.
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.07.25 23:23:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Xaen
- Rolling your head across the F1-F8 keys becomes the new way to play.
No way! (But mainly because if I do that, I start repping my enemies, and that's generally a bad idea as I understand it… )
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Danny Altenburg
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Posted - 2008.07.25 23:37:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 25/07/2008 23:27:19
Also: WTS: a bunch of Drakes, Myrms, Harbingers and Feroxes (Feroxi?)
I believe the correct plural would be 'Feroces'
Though 'Faeces' would be considered an acceptable alternative in some circles.
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CHAOS100
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.25 23:44:00 -
[69]
You mean blasters weren't already obsolete??? --------------
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Lieutenant Isis
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.25 23:46:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: TheG2 Edited by: TheG2 on 25/07/2008 18:13:22 I predict you'll be about as accurate as my local weather man (not very).
And that, is a prediction you can count on. Thanks for watching, stay classy San Diego.
Optimal range for a medium blaster w/void is about 3.2km. And without a web and a scram the transversal on the target ship is going to be too high to hit.
And with Null you can have an optimal of 5.6 plus a falloff of 7.5, certainly a hittable range. You do realise that there is more then one type of ammo right?
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.07.25 23:46:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Neth'Rae You know any ship without a mwd that can go faster than an arazu with? :P
I don't know, maybe an afterburner vigil/slasher
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gtcsellalt
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Posted - 2008.07.26 04:32:00 -
[72]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Xaen
- HACs become useless. The price of them will plummet.
- Modest loss of subscriptions. Let's be honest, there are more Raven flying Mission runners than anything.
- Significant increase in drake and drone boat prices, sales, and usage.
- Arazus are going to double in price if they haven't already.
- The price of Snakes drops by 40% or more.
- The prices of Slaves increase by 30% or so.
- The prices of Centurions increase by 30% or more.
- Combat recons get cheap, and useless, fast.
Stick around and see how accurate I am!
Those points seems fairly unlikely.
lol what a noob arazu already doubled in price. thx for input though.
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Lucius Nahme
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Posted - 2008.07.26 04:56:00 -
[73]
Xaen hasn't been right once yet so my I know where my money is going
Tortun Nahme's alt, he couldn't be arsed to switch
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Daelin Blackleaf
The Reclaimed
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Posted - 2008.07.26 04:59:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Xaen Combat recons get cheap, and useless, fast.
While some of your "predictions" have been around for months if not years I find it hard to believe a scrambler buff would lessen use of the Lachesis. Further I doubt the Huginn will become less popular now that you need more webs to achieve the same effect and an increase in spider tanking can only be a good thing for the Curse.
The Rook of course is a somewhat special case thanks to basically being a non-covert-cloaking Falcon.
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burek
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.26 05:12:00 -
[75]
You forgot one. The megapulses will be back with a vengeance.
Don't mind that so much as forseeing this stupidity (dev listening to whiners) I have respecced from minmatar to ammar half a year ago. |
Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.07.26 05:24:00 -
[76]
Maybe if xaen didnt post the forcast in such a neutral or negative toned manner it would have not drawn the crowd of haters as it did.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.26 06:57:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Xaen HACs become useless. The price of them will plummet.
Awesome. This is the best part. I really hope you're right, I can't wait until my HAC prices drop because people think they suck.
Quote: Combat recons get cheap, and useless, fast.
Combat recons are ALREADY cheap and useless, thanks to force recons being so much better. How much cheaper than "you'd have to pay me to fly one" can you get?
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:05:00 -
[78]
Your no Rells though, I rather hear that guy complain or make predictions than you tbh.
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Flamewave
Crimson Moon Society
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:26:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Xaen HACs become useless. The price of them will plummet.
Good, can't wait. I could use a few more. __________
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