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Major Stallion
The Dark Horses
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
ECM is the new FotM.
and has been for some time...
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Amarr Amarr Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:03:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Plave Okice
Originally by: Tamia Clant and as far as I know the Arazu's bonus only works for the disruptors.
Incorrect.
And I agree with most of that Xaen
No you are wrong,i suggest you re read the dev blog.
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Major Stallion
The Dark Horses
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:04:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Tamia Clant Why would Arazus double in price? The MWD shutdown effect only applies to scramblers, and as far as I know the Arazu's bonus only works for the disruptors.
you fail at reading role bonuses...
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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Ever fitted a non nano ishtar? Its a pain in the arse, short on CPU. Also if you go for a active tank you will be fighting in structure due to the tiny amount of armor it has. Flying a dominix would be so much better then an ishtar. Stronger tank, higher dps (depends on fits).
I've fitted one in EFT, then laughed at it, and flown my trusty dominix instead for precisely the reasons you list. The dominix is cheaper, has more HP, it can fit heavy neuts & NOS, and has more utility mids to boot.
Only now instead of an ECCM I'll fit a 7.5k scram for the coup de grGce. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Barker All HACs?
What about Drone HACs or the Amarrian Missile boats? I would guess those will go up/or stay the same.
The Zealot is already outclassed by a mere harbinger for dps & lazors. The sac is alright. And might actually shine now that I think about it. The popular opinion is it's a better missile boat than the cerb. The vagabond might make it ok, but the Deimos was always garbage, and the armor tanked ishtar is utterly outclassed by the dominix in every way. Nearly no one uses the eagle or Muninn today because you can replace them more cheaply with a sniper BS.
So we'll be left with a few cerbs, some sacriliges, maybe the vagabond. Gallente got screwed hard. I'm guessing those people will switch to Arazus now. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
TheG2
Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Ever fitted a non nano ishtar? Its a pain in the arse, short on CPU. Also if you go for a active tank you will be fighting in structure due to the tiny amount of armor it has. Flying a dominix would be so much better then an ishtar. Stronger tank, higher dps (depends on fits).
You're doing it wrong, my ishtar has a 800dps tank.
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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: Xaen on 25/07/2008 19:23:04
Originally by: TheG2
Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Ever fitted a non nano ishtar? Its a pain in the arse, short on CPU. Also if you go for a active tank you will be fighting in structure due to the tiny amount of armor it has. Flying a dominix would be so much better then an ishtar. Stronger tank, higher dps (depends on fits).
You're doing it wrong, my ishtar has a 800dps tank.
Post the fit. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:24:00 -
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seriously, arazu's are not going to be much good even with this new ability; in order to turn off someone's mwd they will need to be within 18km of the target. at that range even 3 damps don't keep you safe against a BS (or cruiser with a sensor booster) so the arazu will get killed as soon as he's locked.
the arazu is a cloak-tanker, if he's being targetted he can't cloak. death.
lachesis might benefit, but even then it's got no tank and really can only hope it's not primary.
it could turn out differently, but i'm not particularly hopeful. it may be a good time to be selling gallente recons though, cos lots of them are going to be killed!
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TheG2
Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen Edited by: Xaen on 25/07/2008 19:23:04
Originally by: TheG2
Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Ever fitted a non nano ishtar? Its a pain in the arse, short on CPU. Also if you go for a active tank you will be fighting in structure due to the tiny amount of armor it has. Flying a dominix would be so much better then an ishtar. Stronger tank, higher dps (depends on fits).
You're doing it wrong, my ishtar has a 800dps tank.
Post the fit.
Why would I post my fit? If you can't figure it out, good for me, bad for you.
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Ikathis sihtaki
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Xaen
- HACs become useless. The price of them will plummet.
- Modest loss of subscriptions. Let's be honest, there are more Raven flying Mission runners than anything.
- Significant increase in drake and drone boat prices, sales, and usage.
- Arazus are going to double in price if they haven't already.
- The price of Snakes drops by 40% or more.
- The prices of Slaves increase by 30% or so.
- The prices of Centurions increase by 30% or more.
- Combat recons get cheap, and useless, fast.
Stick around and see how accurate I am!
Those points seems fairly unlikely.
Your undestanding seems fairly unlikely
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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: TheG2
Originally by: Xaen Edited by: Xaen on 25/07/2008 19:23:04
Originally by: TheG2
Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Ever fitted a non nano ishtar? Its a pain in the arse, short on CPU. Also if you go for a active tank you will be fighting in structure due to the tiny amount of armor it has. Flying a dominix would be so much better then an ishtar. Stronger tank, higher dps (depends on fits).
You're doing it wrong, my ishtar has a 800dps tank.
Post the fit.
Why would I post my fit? If you can't figure it out, good for me, bad for you.
Because I don't believe you. And honestly, it would be pretty sweet, but I don't see how without faction/deadspace/officer mods. This is your chance to prove yourself better at Ishtar fitting than me.
But in all likelyhood, I'll just fly the dominix instead. It's cheaper, more HP, more util slots, long range neuts. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: TheG2
Why would I post my fit? If you can't figure it out, good for me, bad for you.
To prove that ur not just talking our your ass. 800dps tank on an ishtar? only if you spend 5b on faction mods. i'm willing to bet that you haven't.
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Relleh
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:49:00 -
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Can get a better tank out of the navy vexor then from an ishtar also this won't affect the fleet ishtar dla and assign ogre 2 to an inty |
Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:52:00 -
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I want to see this 800 dps tank ishtar.
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Hieronimus Rex
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:22:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Xaen
- Spider tanking increases slightly in popularity.
- Your choice is blob warfare.
- ECM is the new FotM.
- HACs become useless. The price of them will plummet.
- Battlecruisers and battleships will rule the universe in empire and lowsec.
- 0.0 truly becomes capitals and cyno alts online.
- Modest loss of subscriptions. Let's be honest, there are more Raven flying Mission runners than anything.
- Blasters boats become obsolete.
- Significant increase in drake and drone boat prices, sales, and usage.
- Arazus are going to double in price if they haven't already.
- The price of Snakes drops by 40% or more.
- The prices of Slaves increase by 30% or so.
- The prices of Centurions increase by 30% or more.
- Combat recons get cheap, and useless, fast.
- Rolling your head across the F1-F8 keys becomes the new way to play.
Stick around and see how accurate I am!
CCP introduces "EVE NEED FOR NGE" initiative Forums become flooded with NGE analogies
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:29:00 -
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You know, all this time the nanobois have been saying "adapt or die", all those "PVPers" (or should I say "WCS alternate users"). Well... Adapt or die :)
Buhbye now.
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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:33:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Tzar'rim You know, all this time the nanobois have been saying "adapt or die", all those "PVPers" (or should I say "WCS alternate users"). Well... Adapt or die :)
Buhbye now.
I still have my venerable dual rep nos dominix to fall back on.
*shrug*
The real issue here is Diablo III and AoC, not nano nerfs. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
TheG2
Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:35:00 -
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I'm not posting my exact fitting, but its a shield tank. T2 only, no faction.
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Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: TheG2 I'm not posting my exact fitting, but its a shield tank. T2 only, no faction.
This the 800 dps tanked ishtar? Thats not a pvp ship, what good is it? Ok dps but no tackle? Post a pvp setup that tanks 800 dps.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
- Spider tanking increases slightly in popularity.
- Your choice is blob warfare.
- ECM is the new FotM.
- HACs become useless. The price of them will plummet.
- Battlecruisers and battleships will rule the universe in empire and lowsec.
- 0.0 truly becomes capitals and cyno alts online.
- Modest loss of subscriptions. Let's be honest, there are more Raven flying Mission runners than anything.
- Blasters boats become obsolete.
- Significant increase in drake and drone boat prices, sales, and usage.
- Arazus are going to double in price if they haven't already.
- The price of Snakes drops by 40% or more.
- The prices of Slaves increase by 30% or so.
- The prices of Centurions increase by 30% or more.
- Combat recons get cheap, and useless, fast.
- Rolling your head across the F1-F8 keys becomes the new way to play.
Stick around and see how accurate I am!
Oh, I'm quoting and BM'ing this stoopid thread.
ECM is already FOTM, BS/BC already rule low sec and 0.0 is already capitals online.
It's not even on SiSi and you already think you know exactly what will happen, so stoopid. --
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Lt Angus
Caldari Lt Angus Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Zephyr Rengate
Originally by: TheG2 I'm not posting my exact fitting, but its a shield tank. T2 only, no faction.
This the 800 dps tanked ishtar? Thats not a pvp ship, what good is it? Ok dps but no tackle? Post a pvp setup that tanks 800 dps.
and a shield tanked domi still tanks more for less in stupid useless setups
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TheG2
Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zephyr Rengate
Originally by: TheG2 I'm not posting my exact fitting, but its a shield tank. T2 only, no faction.
This the 800 dps tanked ishtar? Thats not a pvp ship, what good is it? Ok dps but no tackle? Post a pvp setup that tanks 800 dps.
In tackle it'll tank 500 or so DPS. And just because it doesn't have tackle doesn't mean it isn't PVP, not all ships need to tackle, thats why you have fleets.
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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit
Originally by: Xaen
- Spider tanking increases slightly in popularity.
- Your choice is blob warfare.
- ECM is the new FotM.
- HACs become useless. The price of them will plummet.
- Battlecruisers and battleships will rule the universe in empire and lowsec.
- 0.0 truly becomes capitals and cyno alts online.
- Modest loss of subscriptions. Let's be honest, there are more Raven flying Mission runners than anything.
- Blasters boats become obsolete.
- Significant increase in drake and drone boat prices, sales, and usage.
- Arazus are going to double in price if they haven't already.
- The price of Snakes drops by 40% or more.
- The prices of Slaves increase by 30% or so.
- The prices of Centurions increase by 30% or more.
- Combat recons get cheap, and useless, fast.
- Rolling your head across the F1-F8 keys becomes the new way to play.
Stick around and see how accurate I am!
Oh, I'm quoting and BM'ing this stoopid thread.
ECM is already FOTM, BS/BC already rule low sec and 0.0 is already capitals online.
It's not even on SiSi and you already think you know exactly what will happen, so stoopid.
It's just what I think will happen.
I'm as interested in where I'll be wrong as where I'll be right.
I already bookmarked it.
It was more for the sake of seeing how good at judging the EVE community as a whole than the speed nerf whine everyone seems to think it is. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
Major Stallion
The Dark Horses
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Hieronimus Rex
Originally by: Xaen
- Spider tanking increases slightly in popularity.
- Your choice is blob warfare.
- ECM is the new FotM.
- HACs become useless. The price of them will plummet.
- Battlecruisers and battleships will rule the universe in empire and lowsec.
- 0.0 truly becomes capitals and cyno alts online.
- Modest loss of subscriptions. Let's be honest, there are more Raven flying Mission runners than anything.
- Blasters boats become obsolete.
- Significant increase in drake and drone boat prices, sales, and usage.
- Arazus are going to double in price if they haven't already.
- The price of Snakes drops by 40% or more.
- The prices of Slaves increase by 30% or so.
- The prices of Centurions increase by 30% or more.
- Combat recons get cheap, and useless, fast.
- Rolling your head across the F1-F8 keys becomes the new way to play.
Stick around and see how accurate I am!
CCP introduces "EVE NEED FOR NGE" initiative Forums become flooded with NGE analogies
I C WUT U DID THAR! For as much whining thats going on here on these forums though, its never likely to approach the NGE point. Unless of course the Devs decide to cave to the infulx of "WHY ISNT THIS MORE LIKE WOW IN SPACE?!?" crowd...at which point, this game will cease to exist as we know it.
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Dizeezer Velar
Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:50:00 -
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lol back to flying the first t2 fitted pvp ship i trained for. The HAM drake. Guess i'll max out a torp raven too. Time to mothball the zealot, curse and mega. [/url] |
Mu Yaling
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:51:00 -
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Xaen is pretty accurate,
Lavista vista, is as usual not.
also,
Posting in an Eve is changing *OMG* thread.
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Wasted Mind
Gallente Syntech Research and Development Lords of the Damned
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:57:00 -
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Yes that's right all because you can no longer travel at 8k+ speed suddenly half the ships in eve will be broken. Give me a break. In the grand scheme of things ppl nano fitting their ships is a pretty new tactic as far as game age goes and all the ships your afraid will become worthless still worked fine in their intended roles before people even knew what a nano fit was. Sorry but half the ships you ppl nano were never intended to fill the role of an interceptor. I am looking forward to the change because for the first time in a long while it's not going to be a giant speed race over and over again in small gang combat.
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APEXrevived
Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:59:00 -
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agreed xaen. i do not believe there is a rampant inbalance regarding nano setups. there are plenty of counters to my vagabond.
it's very dangerous change for not a good enough reason. please see SWG Combat Upgrade
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Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.07.25 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Wasted Mind Yes that's right all because you can no longer travel at 8k+ speed suddenly half the ships in eve will be broken. Give me a break. In the grand scheme of things ppl nano fitting their ships is a pretty new tactic as far as game age goes and all the ships your afraid will become worthless still worked fine in their intended roles before people even knew what a nano fit was. Sorry but half the ships you ppl nano were never intended to fill the role of an interceptor. I am looking forward to the change because for the first time in a long while it's not going to be a giant speed race over and over again in small gang combat.
What gangs do you fly with? Im flying atm in a small recon gang. And we are not nano. Dont assume things.
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Neth'Rae
Gallente Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.25 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum Arazu will just turn off their MWD.
Just turn off their MWD? You know any ship without a mwd that can go faster than an arazu with? :P
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