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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.07.25 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dazhbog
Originally by: Farham "A good plan would not have involved jumping 20 caps into 80."
Unless your plan involved intending to jump in more than 20.
I can't tell if you're trolling me.
That should be your first clue. --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Iroku Mata
Minmatar Endovelicus Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.25 21:37:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Good to see the old BoB ways resurface after a very minor victory, but I guess they needed the morale boost after being slapped left and right by the NC.
I mean, TCF is what? One eight of their size? And is killing way more than the whole GBC combined, without a flamboyant offensive name and most importantly, without cheating the whole time.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7m5vt07W2n4 <-THIS LITTLE GOON!
Now STFU and go back to your (drag)queen!
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Gamesguy
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.25 22:25:00 -
[213]
Edited by: Gamesguy on 25/07/2008 22:26:21
Originally by: Dazhbog
Originally by: Farham "Well, I suppose you could just flail about like a ******, but some people fight to win."
That would presuppose their intent was to lose. After reviewing their view on the op, I can see they had a plan that could have been successful, it just ended up having some problems which doomed it. Life goes on.
You seem to have misunderstood. Sure, the point is to fight, but if you actually want to win the fights you start, it's a good idea to fight on your terms. They had a "plan" if you want to call it that, but not all plans are equal. A good plan would not have involved jumping 20 caps into 80.
I don't see much difference between intending to lose and fatal incompetence.
No, the NC's plan was to hotdrop our around 20 cap gang with their 35ish cap gang, the problem was we popped all 3 of their cyno ships and only a little over half their caps got in system, and they didnt bring a cyno carrier.
When there's a cap fight, people get pinged on irc, channels get spammed etc and more caps log on. We were able to get reinforcements in, the NC ****ed up and wasn't, thats why we outnumbered them so heavilly at the end.
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Mia Archer
Amarr Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.25 23:17:00 -
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There actualy were cyno carriers, they were among the caps that didnt make it through the cyno, also i believe the support fleet that was supposed to be on its way was originaly supposed to arrive via a titan bridge With the caps but didnt because of a miscomunication and ended up having to make like 5-6 jumps and enter through the gate.
There was no one going "lol lets drop 18 caps on bob with no support" the plan just didn't go the way it was supposed to just like any plan can go bad.
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Alty McAltypants
Eretz Israel
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Posted - 2008.07.25 23:38:00 -
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Putting towers in one system to cause a diversion so that another could be seiged is hardly a master class in Eve tactics and subdefuge. It could be spun as such.
Chest beating in the manner some are in this thread, however, about killing a group of capitals, which don't get me wrong is an acheivement, makes you look a little "desperate".
The NC/RA group arn't the fastest of cats, sure, but the first major cap slog match of the campaign and the smell of relief on the outcome can be seen to almost drip off these forum pages.
Things can still be spun either way.
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teh punisher
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.25 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram
Originally by: Karunel Fun stuff always happens when I'm in bed
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Fun stuff always happens when I'm in bed too if you know what I mean
Originally by: touchvill No, please elaborate.
Docking the Titan ofc.
more like stroking the apoc
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Kai Jyokoroi
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.07.26 00:04:00 -
[217]
Edited by: Kai Jyokoroi on 26/07/2008 00:03:47 So many lame CAOD warriors ITT
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Veldya
Caldari Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.07.26 02:27:00 -
[218]
What was the damage? 20 caps In a month or so of MAX? They have probably built more caps over that time period than they have lost to date which probably isn't a highlight of the campaign.
Not having a dig at BoB because they are actually trying to pull it off and power to you, it has just been quite some time and I see no real carnage on the map despite bringing in 500 caps supercaps, I expected to see big holes ripped in the newly acquired NC and RA territory.
BoB seems afraid to hit multiple systems and is making it easy for the NC to just defend. When you are afraid to lose, you end up losing in the long run. I think the NC move to try and take on BoB's cap fleet is a sign of which side is really prepared to inflict maximum damage and which side is afraid of losing.
Stopping this advance was a good victory for BoB but unless they change their tactics I don't see this ending well for BoB.
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Steve Holt
Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.07.26 03:29:00 -
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nar it was just another time the nc could blob a smaller number. it wasnt a act of courage it was a ack of look only 20 lets send in dbl attemp they did it alot to us when insurg was up north and failed many times like they did today.
im staying clear of this fight due to my new home but ill be dam'd if somone is gonna say the NC hav balls
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.07.26 04:11:00 -
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Well, update us here. What happened? Did the GBC destroy the towers? Did the NC show up and put up a fight? Is the sky falling?
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Limitanes
Unlimited Blade Works
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Posted - 2008.07.26 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mia Archer There actualy were cyno carriers, they were among the caps that didnt make it through the cyno, also i believe the support fleet that was supposed to be on its way was originaly supposed to arrive via a titan bridge With the caps but didnt because of a miscomunication and ended up having to make like 5-6 jumps and enter through the gate.
There was no one going "lol lets drop 18 caps on bob with no support" the plan just didn't go the way it was supposed to just like any plan can go bad.
Ding ding ding; we have a winner.
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the Poet
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.26 04:38:00 -
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Edited by: the Poet on 26/07/2008 04:38:10
Originally by: Veldya I think the NC move to try and take on BoB's cap fleet is a sign of which side is really prepared to inflict maximum damage and which side is afraid of losing.
Dude... you put the ret@rd in ret@rded
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Tellenta
Gallente Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Error Well, update us here. What happened? Did the GBC destroy the towers? Did the NC show up and put up a fight? Is the sky falling?
I'm resonably sure if NC engaged BoB both sides are busy trying to log back in to see what happened.
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Dionisius
Gallente Sincarnate Holding
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Good to see the old BoB ways resurface after a very minor victory, but I guess they needed the morale boost after being slapped left and right by the NC.
I mean, TCF is what? One eight of their size? And is killing way more than the whole GBC combined, without a flamboyant offensive name and most importantly, without cheating the whole time.
Well i can only say one thing to this, even if BoB were doing it, wich i believe they are not atm, i'd say go ahead, really, because Goons and some entitys in the North ( hell some entities in whole EvE ) are doing it.
Now shall i remind people of a certain thread and some certain goons claiming that they had something to do with " zeh uber hax0r " that caused all the fuss in 2006 ( or was it 07? ) ?
You see goons and credibility are like... water and olive oil.
Well anyways after being the GBC for a couple months, and having RL friends in there, after many coffees and chats all i can say is, BoB may not be the BoB of old day, like i said many times, but, THEY ARE STILL BETTER THAN MOST OF THE ALLIANCES OUT THERE!
And dude, they, BoB Alliance, are certainly better than Goons anytime of the day, in fact even HYDRA are better than you.
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Lakut
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2008.07.26 09:02:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Dionisius You see goons and credibility are like... water and olive oil.
Shake it hard enough and it'll look a bit like milk? ----------
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Dionisius
Gallente Sincarnate Holding
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Posted - 2008.07.26 09:05:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Lakut
Originally by: Dionisius You see goons and credibility are like... water and olive oil.
Shake it hard enough and it'll look a bit like milk?
Or a lava lamp... if you look to it on the perspective that the lava is suffering from seasickness due to the green-yellowish glow. _____________________________________ I am the destroyer of worlds and the also the cokie thief. |
Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Veldya What was the damage? 20 caps In a month or so of MAX? They have probably built more caps over that time period than they have lost to date which probably isn't a highlight of the campaign.
Morale wins EVE wars, not resources. Maintaining the desire to log in for the grunts who make it happen.
Things are going BOB's way at the moment, so their desire to log in is probably greater than RA/NC's, on the whole. These things have a tendency to snowball. I'd put my neck on the line and predict that EC-P is the start of the snowball, and the outcome will decide the outcome of the wider conflict. We'll see.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Veldya What was the damage? 20 caps In a month or so of MAX? They have probably built more caps over that time period than they have lost to date which probably isn't a highlight of the campaign.
Morale wins EVE wars, not resources. Maintaining the desire to log in for the grunts who make it happen.
Things are going BOB's way at the moment, so their desire to log in is probably greater than RA/NC's, on the whole. These things have a tendency to snowball. I'd put my neck on the line and predict that EC-P is the start of the snowball, and the outcome will decide the outcome of the wider conflict. We'll see.
And I think you're wrong. The North has already proven once that they can lose a lot of space and still come back. Iron and RAZOR lost all their space a year or so ago, and recovered. They have more than enough reasons to completely trust their allies to stand by them after they stood by each other during the MC invasion.
Its an interesting comparison the GBC and the North. What happened to the alliances in the GBC that got steamrolled? Most of them died. What happened in the North? IRON and RAZOR lost their space at first, but with the help of their allies they went right back at it and retook all of it, and some more. The North probably realizes that even if they can't stop BoB directly, there are no strong pets in the GBC that would be able to keep that space.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Dianabolic on 26/07/2008 11:33:07 Malachon, when we got hit in feyth we didn't have "allies", per se. We had pets.
Now, we have allies. Times have changed.
And, one on one any alliance in the north would get steamrolled against BoB alone, so your last point is a bit moot, don't you think? Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
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Herm0dhr
Balder's Wrath
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:46:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Butter Dog Morale wins EVE wars, not resources. Maintaining the desire to log in for the grunts who make it happen.
Things are going BOB's way at the moment, so their desire to log in is probably greater than RA/NC's, on the whole. These things have a tendency to snowball. I'd put my neck on the line and predict that EC-P is the start of the snowball, and the outcome will decide the outcome of the wider conflict. We'll see.
From an outside perspective, BoB failed to take the p-2 stationsystem and instead went to the end of the region far away from any border and camp it with multiple titans and capitals only to ensure they will not have to fight for it.
Seems to be alot of fun being in the GBC team and avoid fight all day long :) I would log in for that.. I really would
no, I wouldnŠt tbh
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Herm0dhr From an outside perspective, BoB failed to take the p-2 stationsystem and instead went to the end of the region far away from any border and camp it with multiple titans and capitals only to ensure they will not have to fight for it.
Seems to be alot of fun being in the GBC team and avoid fight all day long :) I would log in for that.. I really would
no, I wouldnŠt tbh
Yes, we failed, whoa is us wherever shall we go and whatever shall we do.
/me eats ec- towers.
(that's four dead this morning btw, how many did we lose in p-2 again?)
Next one out in 20minutes, to add to the side salad of 30 dead bs in g95.
Failing seems to be SO MUCH FUN! Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
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Herm0dhr
Balder's Wrath
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic Yes, we failed, whoa is us wherever shall we go and whatever shall we do.
/me eats ec- towers.
(that's four dead this morning btw, how many did we lose in p-2 again?)
Next one out in 20minutes, to add to the side salad of 30 dead bs in g95.
Failing seems to be SO MUCH FUN!
From my understanding the cost of towers is pretty irrelevant for the larger alliances, what matters in results and so far the results seems to have been scarce. DonŠt you agree?
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:56:00 -
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That depends if your goal is to take space.
Or cause MAXIMUM DAMAGE! Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic Edited by: Dianabolic on 26/07/2008 11:33:07 Malachon, when we got hit in feyth we didn't have "allies", per se. We had pets.
Now, we have allies. Times have changed.
And, one on one any alliance in the north would get steamrolled against BoB alone, so your last point is a bit moot, don't you think?
Whoa. Is that the new line? I can see imagine the BoB speach on TS:"Never mind those dudes that we worked with for a year and who all died fighting for us, they meant nothing to us. They were crap. But you, you're different. You are special. You are not pets, you are allies. Now move it, go on and die in that jumpin against a 200 man gatecamp and 5 titans, so we can go hog all the glory on CAOD once we finally grind em down."
-nd I am not saying that a northern alliance could face you alone, though it would be interesting to see if you could manage to take out a northern alliance alone if it turns into a TZ war under cynojammers. You need a lot of support to get that capfleet into an enemy system. I am saying however that several of those northern alliance could face any of your pets/allies alone. And they are recognized as being their own masters. With you, its simply where you go, the pets have to follow...or else.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic That depends if your goal is to take space.
Or cause MAXIMUM DAMAGE!
But the only thing alliances really worry about is losing space. If their space is eventually safe because you can't/won't conquer and keep it, there is little left to be worried about.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Dianabolic That depends if your goal is to take space.
Or cause MAXIMUM DAMAGE!
But the only thing alliances really worry about is losing space. If their space is eventually safe because you can't/won't conquer and keep it, there is little left to be worried about.
No, the only thing an alliance has to worry about is losing members, you have already pointed out that space can be lost and regained.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:17:00 -
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Keep calling our allies, pets, malachon, it's working so well for you. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Dianabolic That depends if your goal is to take space.
Or cause MAXIMUM DAMAGE!
But the only thing alliances really worry about is losing space. If their space is eventually safe because you can't/won't conquer and keep it, there is little left to be worried about.
No, the only thing an alliance has to worry about is losing members, you have already pointed out that space can be lost and regained.
oh man.
Talk about OWNED. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Dianabolic That depends if your goal is to take space.
Or cause MAXIMUM DAMAGE!
But the only thing alliances really worry about is losing space. If their space is eventually safe because you can't/won't conquer and keep it, there is little left to be worried about.
No, the only thing an alliance has to worry about is losing members, you have already pointed out that space can be lost and regained.
Many alliances that lose space also lose members. Of course you didn't, you just lost allies...errr pets. But then you gained more pets...errr allies before this campaign. This is getting confusing
Anyway, you probably know what I mean. A lot of alliances worry about losing space, because that is often a reason for corps/members to leave and seek greener pastures. The North has a safeguard against that in the form of their allies, that have a record of actually keeping their allies alive.
And what you now claim to be the objectives of your campaign (still vaguely worded so you can always claim success afterwards even if you fail horribly, smart move btw) is an additional safeguard. You're not even there to try and take their space just to cause maximum damage.
Just a question btw, about your campaign. If I start my own MAXIMUM DAMAGE campaign and leeroy a discophoon into one of your gatecamps, and suppose I actually manage to scratch the shield of one of your ceptors. Technically, that would still be a succesful campaign by your definition right? Since I could just claim that I caused the MAXIMUM DAMAGE that was possible under those circumstances.
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Sandy Vag
Amarr UNION UNITED
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sandy Vag on 26/07/2008 12:36:42
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Dianabolic That depends if your goal is to take space.
Or cause MAXIMUM DAMAGE!
But the only thing alliances really worry about is losing space. If their space is eventually safe because you can't/won't conquer and keep it, there is little left to be worried about.
No, the only thing an alliance has to worry about is losing members, you have already pointed out that space can be lost and regained.
Many alliances that lose space also lose members. Of course you didn't, you just lost allies...errr pets. But then you gained more pets...errr allies before this campaign. This is getting confusing
Anyway, you probably know what I mean. A lot of alliances worry about losing space, because that is often a reason for corps/members to leave and seek greener pastures. The North has a safeguard against that in the form of their allies, that have a record of actually keeping their allies alive.
And what you now claim to be the objectives of your campaign (still vaguely worded so you can always claim success afterwards even if you fail horribly, smart move btw) is an additional safeguard. You're not even there to try and take their space just to cause maximum damage.
Just a question btw, about your campaign. If I start my own MAXIMUM DAMAGE campaign and leeroy a discophoon into one of your gatecamps, and suppose I actually manage to scratch the shield of one of your ceptors. Technically, that would still be a succesful campaign by your definition right? Since I could just claim that I caused the MAXIMUM DAMAGE that was possible under those circumstances.
Your general rambling fails, don't know what you try to accomplish but only thing you are accomplishing is making yourself seem like a idiot..
Allies,pets, tools whatever you want to call them..
You are actually more of a bob pet by giving them a reaction in coad!
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