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Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:10:00 -
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Kai Tel wrote:If nothing else, the goons are well organized on the official forums.
Yes, organized is definitely the first word that comes to mind when I think about us posting on these forums.
On a serious note: What's with all the conspiracy talk about goons? We are neither organized on these forums nor are we required to vote for anyone. Of course it's encouraged to vote for our CEO, but nobody is forcing anyone and nobody is getting kicked out of the alliance for not voting.
It's amazing how delusional people get in this game.
Pretty much everyting we are doing is because we like to have fun and posting **** in this catastrophe of a forum. To put it in the words of my hero Ron Swanson:
"My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Xearal
SOL Industries Black Thorne Alliance
264
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:11:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote: People who are open minded about that see him as incredibly effective at getting CCP management to listen to players' needs, particularly the needs of players in null. Effectiveness is more important than just about anything else, because the CSM is not about advancing your cause over other players' causes so much as it is about getting CCP to give the players what they want rather than what CCP management thinks they want. Effectiveness comes from diplomacy, having a clear set of priorities, and knowing who to befriend at CCP (basically the hard working devs who've been giving us a great game when the upper management let them).
THIS!
I am an industrialist in Eve. I build stuff for other people to blow up. I spend a lot of time poring over spreadsheets, working out profitabilty projections and doing logistics. I like doing this, that is why I do it.
That doesn't mean I am 'blind' or 'afraid' of the other side of EvE, which is loots and lots of Pew pew, rage, scams, dirty deals, suicide ganks, tears and whatnot. All of this is Eve. Without it, Eve would be a dull game without challenges, just jumping through yet more hoops some devs came up with for you to get your cookie, like sooo many MMO's out there.
Last year, I voted for Mittens, because instead of silly promises as 'I'm going to introduce this and this', he promised that he was going to be effective, and that he would make CCP listen in general to it's playerbase, and point out things in their ideas that were blatantly wrong. He delivered on this promise in no small amount. ( I've even sent him a thankyou mail about this :) )
While I will certainly not deny that if he can get away with it, I'm sure he will slip in a thing here or there that will profit his goons, I do believe that Mittens the CSM El Presidente is a good thing for Eve. That is why I voted for him again this year. Not because he's a goon, but because he can deliver, and he brings significant improvement to Eve as a whole.
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:12:00 -
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Kai Tel wrote:If nothing else, the goons are well organized on the official forums and it gives them a political edge both with fellow pilots and Devs that might be swayed reading posts for insight into player desires. Candidates for CSM with agendas not popular with them have taken a bit of a lashing this year. Not enough of the player base respects the CSM in such a way as to care about what happens as they have been a joke in past years. Things are slowly changing. I am trusting CCP to see through the smoke and mirror play where needed and hoping that they have a solid vision for the game's future development in spite of what a minority voice allowed power will clamor for.
My problem in reading you right now, OP, is that your confidence seems to be cracking and maybe you are letting this little internet space ship game bother you too much on a personal level. It's just a crooked player election for a small MMO committee. ItGÇÖs not fair. ItGÇÖs also not a reflection on you or your life in spite of what the attack dogs might say. ItGÇÖs just a mean little game. Keep your perspective
To be honest, I havenGÇÖt let anything the goons do bother me. Our interests do not currently coincide. I play ball in a different part of the game. I was never going to vote for them or a candidate they strongly support anyway.
Hell The CSM has been brought down by the null sec groups, it is just an object of ridicule and shame now. Lets face it how much attention would you pay to your government if it started spouting utter crap and wasn't actually spending your money.
As to CCP I also hope they have a better future planned for this game than the one the CSM seems to have, or we will all be playing spaceship pvp, the game and that's about it. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Benny Ohu
The Lazy Dragoons True Apathy
10
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:17:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Hell The CSM has been brought down by the null sec groups, it is just an object of ridicule and shame now.
Have you been reading your history books backwards |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:18:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Hell The CSM has been brought down by the null sec groups, it is just an object of ridicule and shame now. Have you been reading your history books backwards CSM 5 was when the CSM started to shine now its just a joke. Pure and simple. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:24:00 -
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didn't someone on CSM5 throw a spoon at a dev |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:28:00 -
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Berke Negri wrote:didn't someone on CSM5 throw a spoon at a dev Quite probably but I don't know for sure, they were kind of pissed at how CCP treated them at the start. Its kind of strange if you think about it, every CSM I have seen disses the one before it but the current CSM only has the ability to do what they do because of the hard work of the previous CSM. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:39:00 -
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for a joke of a csm at least no one from CSM6 has thrown spoons |
Groperson
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:55:00 -
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Seriously if you think the current CSM is less powerful and respected than the 'spoonthrowers' of CSM 5 then I don't know what to say except ~laffo~ |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:58:00 -
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Groperson wrote:Seriously if you think the current CSM is less powerful and respected than the 'spoonthrowers' of CSM 5 then I don't know what to say except ~laffo~ Less respected Yes. Less powerful No. They owe the ability to do anything to the previous CSM's and CCP's stupidity with the Summer of rage. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
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Sendo Jarix
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.03.17 13:15:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:
So basically a goon alt,
Gotcha..
Issler
Why even bother making this thread if you are just going to accuse any non goon posters of being goon alts unless they are anti-goons. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.17 13:24:00 -
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Sendo Jarix wrote:Blah Blah Blah, more pointless goon propaganda Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
AmIGay
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
0
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Posted - 2012.03.17 13:36:00 -
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All logic and reason is just pointless goon propaganda. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.17 13:42:00 -
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AmIGay wrote:All logic and reason is just pointless goon propaganda. See I would have gone for "With logic you can prove anything, So there is really no reason to listen" Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.03.17 14:26:00 -
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Berke Negri wrote:didn't someone on CSM5 throw a spoon at a dev
Yes, but she had a nice ass though so all was forgiven. |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
26
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Posted - 2012.03.17 14:30:00 -
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Issler, I have a serious question for you:
How many votes do you think frying doom's insane posts have cost you?
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.17 14:34:00 -
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Pheusia wrote:Issler, I have a serious question for you:
How many votes do you think frying doom's insane posts have cost you?
As opposed to last year where her thread got mugged bu the goons just for being there. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
3186
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Posted - 2012.03.17 14:44:00 -
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Sendo Jarix wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
So basically a goon alt,
Gotcha..
Issler
Why even bother making this thread if you are just going to accuse any non goon posters of being goon alts unless they are anti-goons.
everyone outside of goonswarm with the ability to think critically is apparently a goon alt "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.17 14:49:00 -
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Anti-goons sounds like a good name for a political party Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.03.17 14:53:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Anti-goons sounds like a good name for a political party
Indeed it does. I wish you, Issler and the other four people that give a toss the best of luck. |
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
331
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Posted - 2012.03.17 14:53:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: Sigh...
Your earlier post was awesome. A reasoned post from someone associated with a group that is so often associated with lame trolling. I wanted to hug you and state you were my favorite goon of all time and suggest when mittens steps down you should be the next king bee. Your first response was reasoned ans EXACTLY what I posted to see
But then.... You ruined it.....
You could have left it there. But no, you has to turn it into a personal attack. We are days away from the results. Nothing posted here could make any difference in the result of the election, but you had to turn it mean!
Your responses representing the goons in my thread have been the best of the goons, you never trolled and offered real opportunities for real dialog. You could have let this run its course and I would have totally left this with me thinking of you as the most rational and awesome of the goons, but no, you in the end are just yet another goon lame troll
I'm genuinely sad. I had hoped there was a goon worthy of serious respect... (besides Mittens)
Issler Dainze The MIner's Friend Dissapointed to not have a future of the goons friend CSM 7 Candidate
Issler. Listen. That guy Frying Doom is either flipping nuts or is an amazing gimmick. If he is your alt then you, yourself are one of these two things. If he's not, then he is not someone who is helping your campaign, whether he intends to or not. I am not saying this to attack you. Your campaign isn't really important, but you do seem to be sincere and I hate to see that sincerity derailed by conspiracy whackjobs even if the conspiracy stuff is actually quite hilarious.
I'm sorry I've passed up my chance to be the designated heir to The Mittani, but I suspect that if Mittens decides his successor should be the PI alt of a player who has only put about 8 months on and off into this game since 2007, I'll still have a pretty good shot with or without your endorsement. I've made some pretty good posts, if I do say so myself, and that counts for a lot.
However, you are wrong about one important thing: I have, in fact, been trolling the hell out of you. The occasional seriouspost response just adds nuance to the trolling. But it's been ~mellow trolling~, not harsh trolling, which may be why you didn't really pick up on it until I actually stopped trolling long enough to give you an honest opinion about your completely batshit insane self-appointed campaign manager. Which, of course, you took to be a troll, so vOv
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.17 15:04:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Issler. Listen. That guy Frying Doom is either flipping nuts or is an amazing gimmick. If he is your alt then you, yourself are one of these two things. If he's not, then he is not someone who is helping your campaign, whether he intends to or not. I am not saying this to attack you. Your campaign isn't really important, but you do seem to be sincere and I hate to see that sincerity derailed by conspiracy whackjobs even if the conspiracy stuff is actually quite hilarious.
I'm sorry I've passed up my chance to be the designated heir to The Mittani, but I suspect that if Mittens decides his successor should be the PI alt of a player who has only put about 8 months on and off into this game since 2007, I'll still have a pretty good shot with or without your endorsement. I've made some pretty good posts, if I do say so myself, and that counts for a lot.
However, you are wrong about one important thing: I have, in fact, been trolling the hell out of you. The occasional seriouspost response just adds nuance to the trolling. But it's been ~mellow trolling~, not harsh trolling, which may be why you didn't really pick up on it until I actually stopped trolling long enough to give you an honest opinion about your completely batshit insane self-appointed campaign manager. Which, of course, you took to be a troll, so vOv
Thank you for your honesty Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Clyde ElectraGlide
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.03.17 16:03:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Clyde ElectraGlide wrote:I'm from the Center for Advanced Studies and I operate mostly in empire, so Mittens obviously doesn't represent the part of the game I play. I still voted for him though.
I'm willing to put my playstyle aside to vote for someone that produces results and acts in a professional manner as he does. Not to mention bothering to make a Q&A thread where constituent issues can be answered by the man himself, and setting up a Skype channel as a means of direct communication between the CSM and CCP. Can other CSMs claim to be that innovative?
There are other candidates I'd like to see up there, namely Hans, Seleene, Meissa and Two step. But Mittens is the one that really needs to be there. I've read the other serious candidate's threads, and while some of them really do know their stuff, they wouldn't play as much as a vital part in the CSM process that Mittani does. Crucible was a great expansion/release, and we need someone that can see to it that Eve maintains this direction, and I couldn't think of anyone better to do that than Mittens. So basically a goon alt, Gotcha.. Issler
I'm sorry that you can't accept the fact that someone other than a goon likes Mittens. Fix incursions today! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60460 |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.17 16:08:00 -
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Frankly Mittens doesn't need your vote. So while admitting you would like to see other people on the CSM you just up and threw your vote away. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Clyde ElectraGlide
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.03.17 16:24:00 -
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I consider Mittens a vital part of the CSM, so he's the one that gets my vote. Considering that Hans and Two step have huge backing from the FW and WH communities respectively, I doubt that they won't get a seat on the CSM even if one or both of them are not one of the seven that go to Iceland. Even if Seleene doesn't manage to get a seat, there's also Elise from his alliance that has good ideas, and who I wouldn't mind taking a seat if Seleene didn't make the cut. Fix incursions today! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60460 |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.17 16:34:00 -
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Clyde ElectraGlide wrote:I consider Mittens a vital part of the CSM, so he's the one that gets my vote. Considering that Hans and Two step have huge backing from the FW and WH communities respectively, I doubt that they won't get a seat on the CSM even if one or both of them are not one of the seven that go to Iceland. Even if Seleene doesn't manage to get a seat, there's also Elise from his alliance that has good ideas, and who I wouldn't mind taking a seat if Seleene didn't make the cut. So you say Seleene may not get a seat, and Elise you would like to see on the CSM, why didn't you vote for them they might have needed your vote. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
59
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Posted - 2012.03.17 17:29:00 -
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The Goons are the nicest guys you'll ever fight... They draw their community and identity from outside the game and arguably know the game mechs better than CCP.
But, they draw their community and identity from outside the game which means they have to fight all the harder to make this imagined universe their own, even with their well meaning tyrannical overlord in the CSM chairman seat.
They deride and scorn those not of thier ilk with prases like "pubbie" to bluster over thier own insecurities and fein superiority amongst thier peers but for all that it takes a rare goon to really feel at home here.
Give a goon a hug today, and make the world a better place. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
126
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Posted - 2012.03.17 17:32:00 -
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Sendo Jarix wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
So basically a goon alt,
Gotcha..
Issler
Why even bother making this thread if you are just going to accuse any non goon posters of being goon alts unless they are anti-goons.
Heh didn't make this thread to have a reasonable discussion, its just more baby like mewling. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.03.17 18:04:00 -
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Snowflake Tem wrote:Give a goon a hug today, and make the world a better place.
Why not just pod em and sell the corpses? Same deal and ISK always goes farther than a warm after glow...
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6159
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Posted - 2012.03.17 18:22:00 -
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You should be ashamed of yourself, Issler.
The bulk of my constituents have always come from outside of Goonswarm, and yet self-righteous 'democrats' like you slander them at every opportunity.
I am Alexander Gianturco, not 'The Mittani' when I'm in Iceland. I'm probably the savviest political operator in EVE (a bloo bloo bloo mittens is arrogant oh noes), and everyone knows it - which is why they vote for me, regardless of my ticker. My style of gameplay - war, conquest, murder, and ruthlessness - speaks to a huge population of players, even my in-game enemies.
(except those with Titans, those vote for Elise)
Even those who do not play 'my way' vote for me, because they know that I'm the best possible advocate for the players in a messy post-Incarna CCP environment.
In short: Deal with it.
The Mittani, CSM7: Vote Here - One EVE. One Vote. One Chairman
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
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