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Nick Faulkner
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Posted - 2008.06.22 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: Nick Faulkner on 22/06/2008 01:11:01 Edited by: Nick Faulkner on 22/06/2008 01:10:25 I was roaming around Jita and decided to check out the FW at Tama. The gate to Tama was being camped by Caldari Milita. On the other side of the gate there were a lot Gallente ships so i am assuming that they were the Gallente Milita. Someone correct me if i am wrong here. I am not part of FW so i didn't get attacked on either side of the gate.
A large Executive Outcomes (EXE) fleet jumps in with a few capitals. Numbers of locals increase to 200 and we started getting lagged. A very organized EXE fleet massacres the unorganized FW fleet at the gate in Tama. Check out the killboard for EXE's kills in Tama at the link below.
Out of now where another cynosural opens up and the Red Alliances (RA) jumps in a huge capital fleet to take on EXE. EXE loses a carrier and many battleships to RA fleet. RA had around 18 capitals in the fleet with a good balance of dreads and carriers.
RA lost some battleships but clearly won the battle. Ninja looters jumped in to make some ISK towards end. Looters were being sniped from range by small fleets of milita, INVT and EXE.
To summarize, a FW Milita got owned by EXE. EXE got owned by RA.
EXE Kills : http://exe.vizarts.de/kb/?a=kills EXE loses :http://exe.vizarts.de/kb/?a=losses RA KB :http://killboard.red-alliance.su/?op=list
I witnessed the battle from my pod and it seems that without proper leadership even 100 militia ships cannot do much damage to alliance fleets. I wonder how the Caldari milita managed to take out the RA carriers recently.
I think FW blobs are like dead space complex spawns for alliances. At least, it seems that way from this battle.
Anyways, it was awesome battle to witness. Hope the militia's bounce back do some damage to EXE and RA.
Cheers.
Nick.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.22 01:16:00 -
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the gal militia also warped in a force of some sort, engaged RA and got wiped out.
This was followed by a mass kessy swarm in old man star where alot of expencive gal ships were lost.
http://xbps.org/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=3791 the fight
In short its all gone to hell
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Steve Celeste
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Posted - 2008.06.22 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Faulkner Hope the militia's bounce back do some damage to EXE and RA.
Were not at war with RA or EXE, and are definitely not looking for a fight with them. It;s just a turf war between them over some pos i believe.
Those 3 carriers last week decided to engage us and payed for it.
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Uzume Ame
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.22 01:18:00 -
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Sound like a lot of fun, can't wait to have the stupid 0.5 standing with my noobish char and get pawned and pawn others.
On how caldari militia got 3 RA carriers: lack of support fleet by carriers + better organisation in that fleet/day?
It seems FW is delibering fun :D
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Uzume Ame
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.22 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Celeste
Originally by: Nick Faulkner Hope the militia's bounce back do some damage to EXE and RA.
Were not at war with RA or EXE, and are definitely not looking for a fight with them. It;s just a turf war between them over some pos i believe.
Those 3 carriers last week decided to engage us and payed for it.
Why did EXE engange you then?
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.06.22 01:25:00 -
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Stupid alliances... don't they know Black Rise is for kids.
Leave the new FW low sec alone you bullies. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
IHearULiek Mudkipz
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Posted - 2008.06.22 01:36:00 -
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I thought the militias were leet though and could pwn the big alliances?
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Shadow Saint
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.22 01:36:00 -
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Edited by: Shadow Saint on 22/06/2008 01:37:15
Originally by: Pithecanthropus Stupid alliances... don't they know Black Rise is for kids.
Leave the new FW low sec alone you bullies.
tbh that probably made the FW people's day, kb's make it look like it was fun to watch at the very least Just floating around 0.0 |
Qaedel
Federal Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2008.06.22 02:22:00 -
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The Gallente were camping the gate to Nourv (keeping the Caldari out) when EXE jumped us. It was basically the best set-up EXE could hope for, the way Gallente were all grouped around the gate. The number of kills they got don't really reflect the advantage they had (as a matter of fact, there aren't many kills on that board considering there were 60-70 Gallente).
It could have been worse for the Gallente, that's for sure.
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Gamesguy
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.22 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Celeste
Those 3 carriers last week decided to engage us and payed for it.
3 random carriers with no support deciding to mess with the FW militia is not the same as an actual organized fleet.
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rgreat
OEG Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.22 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Faulkner RA lost some battleships but...
We lost 1 cyno Recon only. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Valkazm
Russian Specnaz Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.22 03:00:00 -
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Edited by: Valkazm on 22/06/2008 03:00:20 it was awesome as RA support landed on the gate to Tama i was like wtf seeing about 30 neutral or so ships with us in an organized fashion just sitting there .. As i jumped in the destruction was immense everywhere there was like 30 folishly engaged text popups and as the lagg started to clear i was like oh yyyyyyeaaah im in this fight now .. Then some maller decided to target the smallest ship in support which is me practicly the only tacker still lagging i manage to warp out in armour making it back to just finish of one kill .. DAMN YOU MALLER PILOT .. .......................................
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Isiskhan
Gnostic Misanthropy
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Posted - 2008.06.22 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Faulkner I witnessed the battle from my pod and it seems that without proper leadership even 100 militia ships cannot do much damage to alliance fleets. I wonder how the Caldari milita managed to take out the RA carriers recently.
I was in that gate as part of the Gallente militia, one of the first to be primaried, and it wasn't a matter of lacking proper leadership. More a matter of lacking proper intelligence about what was about to come through that gate.
Our fleet was the usual rag-tag FW mixture of basically all types of ships, waiting for the Caldari fleet to gather to balls to jump through in their usual FW mixture (ie: lots of Kessies, Caracals and Drakes).
What we were not expecting was the massive onslaught of BSs, HACs, etc. EXE deployed and proceeded to wipe us out with. Many didn't even react initially to the neutral targets that started to show up in overview.
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Domalais
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.06.22 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Isiskhan I was in that gate as part of the Gallente militia, one of the first to be primaried, and it wasn't a matter of lacking proper leadership. More a matter of lacking proper intelligence about what was about to come through that gate.
That's part of leadership. No real reason you couldn't have had a scout out.
I am sure that with time the leadership and organization on the factional militas with improve. In fact, I'm working on one of my alt's standings so that I can FC militia fleets. I enjoy teaching new players how to PVP and perhaps I can forge some good teams out of the milita.
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Alfred Spangler
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.22 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1 the gal militia also warped in a force of some sort, engaged RA and got wiped out.
This was followed by a mass kessy swarm in old man star where alot of expencive gal ships were lost.
http://xbps.org/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=3791 the fight
In short its all gone to hell
We had 98 involved on a Dominix kill, it got truncated. Most were Kestrels. Lovely
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.06.22 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Faulkner Edited by: Nick Faulkner on 22/06/2008 01:11:01 Edited by: Nick Faulkner on 22/06/2008 01:10:25 ...I wonder how the Caldari milita managed to take out the RA carriers recently... Cheers.
Nick.
No great mystery. Lag. ...
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rValdez5987
32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment
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Posted - 2008.06.22 03:53:00 -
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you guys have to remember one thing.
If the militia's do outsmart a 0.0 entity the 0,0 guys get laughed at.
If a militia doesn't outsmart a 0,0 entity, then theres no harm done. The militia's are supposed to be a training ground of sorts before a pilot moves up to 0,0
If the militia's start becoming as organized as a 0,0 superpower, then that would be frightening.
I guess with alts it could be possible although I doubt it.
Either way sounds like fun was had.
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An Anarchyyt
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.22 04:03:00 -
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Why does RA get to have all the fun? Please bring some Goons next time. I'll work my way through the Russian.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2008.06.22 05:25:00 -
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hummm maybe that's their way of recruiting; shock&awe. impressing some pvp-interested folks can best be done by wiping them first -.- - putting the gist back into logistics |
Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.06.22 05:28:00 -
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People forget... the militias are here for one thing, and ONE thing only. FIGHT THE WAR. If alliances feel like carebearing up POS's throughout militia space and warzones, they will have to deal with consequences. Alliances that are not part of the war are taking away militia resources to fund for the war. That is NOT the best thing for them to be doing... and definitely not going to sit well with militias. I'm sure some agreements can be made, but as it is now space in new Black Rise seems to be up for grabs.
Why is alliance greed getting in the way, when they supposedly have all of 0.0 to roam and gain? I don't know.
Maybe some of them can shed some llight on it. My guess is there are some dyspor moons they are fighting over.
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Pasreina
Righteous Chaps
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Posted - 2008.06.22 06:16:00 -
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If my FW FC ever decides to do a POS op, I'll just give him the finger and go get myself exploded properly somewhere else.
I'm in this for the fun; POSes are pretty much the opposite.
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Arlenna Molatov
The 59th Parallel
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Posted - 2008.06.22 06:57:00 -
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I think the gallenta and Caldari should call a temp truce and work together to kill RA!! Two militias against one 0.0 Alliance.
I would REALLY like to see that :)
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Ranger 1
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.22 07:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 22/06/2008 07:04:24 Sounds like a typical day in 0.0 actually. It also sounds like good fun was had by all.
It might behoove FW leadership to have some discussion with the major alliances operating in the same theater of war. You "really" need to get a handle on whom to worry about, whom to ignore, and whom you might be able to count on for support.
I'm wondering, as time goes by, just how much of this sort of alliance activity we will see against FW forces in low sec. Many pilots in major alliances do need to keep a somewhat positive security status (of course others could care less). And if those pilots occasionally fly missions for your Faction... well... they may not be pleased to see big losses with their favorite factions standings.
What ever happens, I think Faction pilots will need to start setting personal or corp standings to hostile alliances to sort out whom they should be targeting (of course, anyone blinky blinky is fair game... but that will often mean they got in the first shots).
It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out.
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Sasha Sen
Celestrial Angels
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Posted - 2008.06.22 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Domalais
Originally by: Isiskhan I was in that gate as part of the Gallente militia, one of the first to be primaried, and it wasn't a matter of lacking proper leadership. More a matter of lacking proper intelligence about what was about to come through that gate.
That's part of leadership. No real reason you couldn't have had a scout out.
I am sure that with time the leadership and organization on the factional militas with improve. In fact, I'm working on one of my alt's standings so that I can FC militia fleets. I enjoy teaching new players how to PVP and perhaps I can forge some good teams out of the milita.
I wasn't there, but scout or no scout, FW fleets don't expect to be targeted by neutrals, especially if they are not part of a known pirate corp or have somewhat decent sec status. And I can assure you, plenty of good pilots to forge a good team out of, either faction you join. _______________________________________________________________________________________________
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Ofcourse Imanalt
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Posted - 2008.06.22 07:09:00 -
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CCP said that they didn't allow alliances to join FW to stop them from just taking it over - but isn't that just what we are seeing here?
Yes, people will say sandbox etc etc and they are right, but while in theory militias could combat any alliance doing this û alliances, by game design, are simply better structurally to fight a war than a militia can ever be. Militia realistically can not get its entire force organized for operations, they can not control who joins, they can not prevent spying etc while alliances can.
The practical response from a militia would be to form standard corps and fight like that but then FW becomes just that, standard Eve and the design goal of encouraging small gang pvp participation of more of the player base dies.
Currently there is nothing in place to stop any alliance from just rolling into the FW zones and taking over but if CCP want FW to run the way they have said then what can they realistically do to prevent this kind of "interferenceö? (for want of a better concept). Or will they just have to allow the sandbox screwing of FW?
I like factional warfare and think it is a great addition to Eve but if alliances start to swamp it (and thatÆs two (?) instances in the first week) can it, in a practical sense, hold up?
I wonder what CCPs take on the longer term consequences of events like this will be?
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Marlenus
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2008.06.22 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ofcourse Imanalt Currently there is nothing in place to stop any alliance from just rolling into the FW zones and taking over but if CCP want FW to run the way they have said then what can they realistically do to prevent this kind of "interferenceö?
Here's an idea -- how about a one-shot cap-ship killer ship, available only in the militia LP stores, that cannot leave the system where it's purchased? (No jump drive or ability to use stargates.)
It would need to be hella expensive, ya. But THAT would give the militia a structural advantage over the alliances, in the FW zones only. ------------------ Ironfleet.com |
Ammoina
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.06.22 07:18:00 -
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Edited by: Ammoina on 22/06/2008 07:19:41
Originally by: Ofcourse Imanalt CCP said that they didn't allow alliances to join FW to stop them from just taking it over - but isn't that just what we are seeing here?
No. The Alliances are coming in and fighting over the moons. They're not coming in to fight the factional warfare war. They're fighting their own war. Likewise the Alliances are also coming to black-rise to pirate and to fight the targets that present themselves. Just like they do elsewhere in low-sec and 0.0. Being in a militia doesn't make you immune to that.
So no, the Alliances are not joining FW and taking it over. And no, CCP should not step in and stop what is currently occurring.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.06.22 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Faulkner
I witnessed the battle from my pod and it seems that without proper leadership even 100 militia ships cannot do much damage to alliance fleets. I wonder how the Caldari milita managed to take out the RA carriers recently.
The <RED> carrier pilots underestimated the T1 noob blob. Didn't take them seriously. Expected them to haul ass at the sight of one carrier, let alone three. The noobs, not knowing any better and perhaps led by either an alt of an experienced PvPer or even by an experienced PvP main looking to try something different with FW, destroyed the three carriers with sheer strength of numbers. When you've got nearly 200 drakes and caracals you can do quite a bit of damage.
Now, though, the 0.0 alliances are taking the noob blobs seriously and they're approaching them like a 'real' fleet. Sucks to be an FW player camping gates that 0.0 entities need for their logistics. Maybe you guys should actually play the FW content... you know, the plexes and contested system objectives and missions and stuff? ...probably lose less ships to real fleets that way.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.06.22 07:45:00 -
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Awesome. I wasnt there this time since I was capturing plexes, but I guess the lag would have been so bad anyway that you wouldnt have seen much. --- Its dead, Jim.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.06.22 07:58:00 -
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Edited by: Havohej on 22/06/2008 07:58:54
Originally by: Ofcourse Imanalt CCP said that they didn't allow alliances to join FW to stop them from just taking it over - but isn't that just what we are seeing here?
Yes, people will say sandbox etc etc and they are right, but while in theory militias could combat any alliance doing this û alliances, by game design, are simply better structurally to fight a war than a militia can ever be. Militia realistically can not get its entire force organized for operations, they can not control who joins, they can not prevent spying etc while alliances can.
I stopped reading at this point. You really have no idea wtf is going on in this game at all. I'll explain it.
FW was born because a small percentage of the playerbase, needing no help or hand-holding from CCP, went out to 0.0 and forged their internet spaceship destinies. Most of the playerbase stayed in highsec crying about how they'd get blown up if they did anything other than farm ISK to buy PvP ships that they'd never use 'cause they're afraid to go to lowsec or 0.0 and actually do something. Those players smacked endlessly about empire wardec corps, lowsec gate campers and just about anything and everything else in the game that could blow up their pixels. There was a great disturbance in the bandwidth, as if 200,000 voices cried out in whine threads and then were silenced by "lol go back 2 wow" posts. (look at my corp name for maximum effect at this point)
So CCP devs said "How do we make these chumps pvp?" and the answer was right there in front of them: lol go back 2 wow..... back 2 wow.... 2 wow.... wow. In World of Warcraft, there are battlegrounds and arenas. If you participate in these things, you earned points, with which you could buy special stuff to use in pvp - so-called "epic" weapons and such. You would also get ranks. Once upon a time, it was stuff like Grunt, Lieutenant, General, Chuck Norris. Now it's stuff like "Gladiator" and such. It all sounds very impressive, I assure you. Many of the WoW players who play battlegrounds and arena don't do any other PvP at all. they don't raid enemy faction cities or anything like that very often... when they do, they do it in huge groups, anything over 50 is considered acceptable (caldari 80 caracal blob strikes into the heart of gallente highsec?).
They're only PvPing at all because blizzard is holding their hands saying, "We want you to do this, we will give you stuff".
Same for the carebears and noobs in FW right now. They're only doing it so they can get ranks like anksunawhatsherface, the CSM carebear who suddenly likes PvP since she can get ranks and stuff. Only because CCP decided to hold your hands. Oh, and let's not forget these new lolfaction cruisers. Faction Osprey with no remote shield repping bonus ftw? Heh...
Now some gallente idiot posts about how all the 0.0 alliances had better get their POSes off of the moons in black rise or else all the FW noobs are going to destroy them? Really?
Originally by: General StarScream - Gallente - Empyrean Gallente From 20/6. Every singel (Alliance)/Corp-(not in any of the factions)
That has a pos in Blackrise region, will be infiltrated,Destroyed. Tanted <---. and made fun of on the fourmz for lolz.
You are taking our birth right to fight over thees systems vs the Evil Caldri, and the overpowerd Amarrs.
si habla del rio el loco torro, you are to take down your posses, and withdraw for the region.
if action is not taken, we will not only destory they pos, but allso your hole allaiance/corp.
so let it be known, If you are to own a pos in Blackrise, you have to be in a faction, or you will die.
And now you want CCP to hold your hand and stop the big, bad 0.0 PvPers from interfering in your noobwars?
gb2wow.
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