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Rells
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.20 18:46:00 -
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x-7omu Pure Blind - Sisters of Eve Academy
AGONY Empire, the most respected PvP training organization in Eve for more than 2 years) has announced a new class for those that want to be lethal in a stealth bomber. After months of research into the content, the renown developers of PvP University have finally nailed down the content of what they expect to be a fun and lethal course. They are currently enrolling students for the first class session to be held on the 26th of July. When asked about the long training time needed for the required skills, sources at AGONY indicated that stealth bomber pilots probably had the majority of those skills already but if not, the students should begin training immediately.
Students of this course will be paying 25 million isk per student or 20 million isk for corporate accounts. Students do not join AGONY to be a student on this course. In fact AGONY has a long standing and respected position of not actively recruiting its students so corporate CEO's can feel comfortable that their members are not being poached.
The course description for this new class can be found on the AGONY combat wiki at the following link: PVP-BOMBERS. The class has some exciting content that should interest all enthusiasts of light ships.
Questions about the course should be directed to AGONY's site. Do not Eve-mail AGONY officers unless you want to get lost in the flood.
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Goremageddon Box
Soldiers Of Mercy
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Posted - 2008.06.20 18:50:00 -
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for real?
only 25 mil isk?
oh boy!
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.20 18:52:00 -
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Goddamn, that sounds fun as hell. I need to get started on my missile skills... ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
TekGriffon
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Posted - 2008.06.20 19:07:00 -
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Will pay 1 million isk for recorded vent file.
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Mazzarins Demise
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Posted - 2008.06.20 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Mazzarins Demise on 20/06/2008 19:23:33 Woo! And I was training to fly one too, cmon missile skills!
I'll be there *favorited*
Question though. I understand that Bombs will be covered in this course but since I don't think I'll be flying around in 0.0 for any time soon, can I just show up for the other stuff and leave after?
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Rells
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.20 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Goremageddon Box for real?
only 25 mil isk?
oh boy!
If that is too much for the class then you probably cant afford the ship either and certainly not the bombs. Also remember that AGONY has a 2 year long reputation of running high quality PVP classes.
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Rells
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.20 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mazzarins Demise Edited by: Mazzarins Demise on 20/06/2008 19:23:33 Woo! And I was training to fly one too, cmon missile skills!
I'll be there *favorited*
Question though. I understand that Bombs will be covered in this course but since I don't think I'll be flying around in 0.0 for any time soon, can I just show up for the other stuff and leave after?
Why on earth would you not fly around in 0.0? Students of the basic class manage it and some of them have been playing less than 2 weeks. Living in 0.0 has nothing to do with isk or SP, it has to do with brains, friends and balls. Last night I was harassing a large organization with a merlin. A bloody lethal merlin as you can ask the sabre pilot I killed some 2 weeks ago.
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Rells
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.20 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: TekGriffon Will pay 1 million isk for recorded vent file.
Recording is disabled during classes except by agony pilots. Furthermore, we have a long track record of providing excellent service to students. Since you clearly haven't attended before, I suggest you try a class before you go and get all punchy.
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.20 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Mazzarins Demise Edited by: Mazzarins Demise on 20/06/2008 19:23:33 Woo! And I was training to fly one too, cmon missile skills!
I'll be there *favorited*
Question though. I understand that Bombs will be covered in this course but since I don't think I'll be flying around in 0.0 for any time soon, can I just show up for the other stuff and leave after?
Why on earth would you not fly around in 0.0? Students of the basic class manage it and some of them have been playing less than 2 weeks. Living in 0.0 has nothing to do with isk or SP, it has to do with brains, friends and balls. Last night I was harassing a large organization with a merlin. A bloody lethal merlin as you can ask the sabre pilot I killed some 2 weeks ago.
Or he just is happy in low sec...
Not everyone is intrested in going to 0.0, so obviously he isnt intrested in that part.
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Arous Drephius
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Posted - 2008.06.20 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Rells Recording is disabled during classes except by agony pilots.
Somehow I doubt that will save you from people stealing your stuffs.
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.20 20:23:00 -
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Oh and you can still record everything said on vent.
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Christina Bamar
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.20 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Arous Drephius
Originally by: Rells Recording is disabled during classes except by agony pilots.
Somehow I doubt that will save you from people stealing your stuffs.
We've been running classes for over two years and I'm sure plenty of people have "stolen" stuff, yet our classes still usually fill up within a couple days.
The material itself is just a small part of the class.
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Rells
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.20 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 20/06/2008 20:31:56
Originally by: Arous Drephius
Originally by: Rells Recording is disabled during classes except by agony pilots.
Somehow I doubt that will save you from people stealing your stuffs.
Oh they can steal the items and materials. Although the materials are copyrighted that wont stop a determined thief.
But can they steal the reputation AGONY has built for integrity, high quality service and fun? Can they steal the knowledge in the heads of the instructors and the willingness of the instructors to promote tactics based pvp in Eve? Can they steal the fervor that AGONY pilots have for inventing new tactics rather than just joiing a tech 2 sniping battleship gang? And can they steal the gratitude of the over 4000 students we have put though our various courses and the skills and abilities of those students?
AGONY has PROVEN that you CAN be effective in this game with low money, low SP and a bit of training. When others said it was impossible we said "rubbish" and proved them wrong.
What did you do? Smacktalked a bit?
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Taedrin
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.20 20:31:00 -
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Plagiarism aside, this sounds like a very fun and interesting course. Too bad I don't fly stealth bombers (yet).
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Rells
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.20 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin Plagiarism aside, this sounds like a very fun and interesting course. Too bad I don't fly stealth bombers (yet).
When you do, look us up.
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Robert Rosenberg
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.20 20:36:00 -
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Dear Agony, ignore the trolls in this thread, the people you are trying to reach are the ones who opened EVE immediately to transfer funds and send you the mail because they know seats fill so fast they might not have time to post a snide remark.
Let the forum warriors practice flaming, it is after all the only PVP they do well at.
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Faife
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.06.20 20:53:00 -
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man, i have a hard time believing that bombs can be useful and price effective.
might be worth it to send someone just for that
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Meridius Dex
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.06.20 21:42:00 -
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First non-Agony player to sign up for the new class, huzzah for me! I got the email, instantly clicked the link and signed up. Even though I am already a stealth bomber pilot, I never bothered to actually train for bombs. Rare is the veteran player who will take the time to explain their wacky and problematic implementation. So I've just entertained myself with cloaking around gates and firing cruise missiles at interceptors and such when I've nothing else better to do.
But I have taken every other class Agony provides and have always been uniformly impressed with their instruction - and have enjoyed some of the best PvP fun in the game. They are great guys (and gals) and that money is smartly spent.
Time to finally get working on that Bomb Deployment skill! -- Meridius Dex --
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Rells
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.20 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Faife man, i have a hard time believing that bombs can be useful and price effective.
might be worth it to send someone just for that
Don;t confuse "cost effective" with cheap. If you deploy a bomb that costs 6 million isk to make and take out a dual polycarbon fitted interceptor or recon, the shot was definitely not cheap but definitely cost effective. There is also the psychological value of knowing how vulnerable they are at any moment.
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An Anarchyyt
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.20 21:52:00 -
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While I love my Bomber, here's betting that this class will just lead to a bunch more people losing their bombers in a hilariouslu stupid fashion. So I support this idea.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Faife
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.06.20 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Don;t confuse "cost effective" with cheap. If you deploy a bomb that costs 6 million isk to make and take out a dual polycarbon fitted interceptor or recon, the shot was definitely not cheap but definitely cost effective. There is also the psychological value of knowing how vulnerable they are at any moment.
well, and i imagine ability to talk for years about the time you got a kill with a bomb.
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Rells
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.20 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 20/06/2008 22:16:04
Originally by: An Anarchyyt While I love my Bomber, here's betting that this class will just lead to a bunch more people losing their bombers in a hilariouslu stupid fashion. So I support this idea.
Perhaps you should attend a PVP University class sometime and see how it actually happens instead of just blowing smoke, having never experienced the class.
We wouldnt have the great reputation we do if we just tossed people in ships and lead them to a useless death. People do get podded in classes but that is a hazard of any PVP combat. The question is, did they have fun and learn something? If so then it was a success.
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Dakaahr
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Posted - 2008.06.20 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Dakaahr on 20/06/2008 22:52:20 Sounds great, can anyone one join ?
Edit: scratch that, i have to take BASIC and WOLFPACKS first, okey.
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Sasha Sen
Celestrial Angels
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Posted - 2008.06.20 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Oh they can steal the items and materials. Although the materials are copyrighted that wont stop a determined thief.
Wait, you mean as in copyrighted by you? Or it's copyrighted by CCP? _________________________________________________________________________________________________
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Rells
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.20 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sasha Sen
Originally by: Rells
Oh they can steal the items and materials. Although the materials are copyrighted that wont stop a determined thief.
Wait, you mean as in copyrighted by you? Or it's copyrighted by CCP?
Copyrighted by us. If you write a book about NFL teams, the NFL doesn't own it. If you write a book about Microsoft Word, Microsoft doesn't own it. The company in question only owns the rights to their products and that is covered even by what they call "fair use" doctrine meaning you can safely take a picture of your car, write and article about it and have the car company not be able to claim from you. Similarly you would publish small excerpts from the articles in our classes without asking us but if you wish to publish more, you require the permission of the copyright holder. Our work is ABOUT Eve, not by CCP so they would have to ask US to use it. And interestingly nothing they put in an EULA can change that. You cant hold someone to a contract with an illegal or invalid provision. So if they tried to write in, "you agree that anything you do that is remotely related to Eve is our property" that clause would be held as unenforcible and invalid. But nothing like that is in the EULA anyway so its a non-issue.
That aside that wont stop some idiot thief from doing it and obviously we aren't going to participate in a lawsuit costing thousands to recover damages. What I find disturbing these days is the astonishing regularity by which people don't see the words "thief" "unethical" "plagiarism" and "cheating" as bad things. To many these things are badges of honor. Truly society has sunk backwards.
At any rate, the person taking the materials in question would have to be able to run the class, provide the quality of service that we do and so on. I will tell you that running a class is HARD ... REALLY HARD. Its probably the most taxing thing you can do in ever. If our goal was to make a lot of money we TRULY have the wrong number. Its so hard that even after 2 years we don't have ANY competition of significance. Our goals are, however, other than isk. Anyone who stole the materials and made them public wouldn't be a problem because there are few web admins that will leave obviously stolen and plagiarized material on their site.
So no. Nothing stops them but their own sense of ethics and responsibility (which many in this community and other communities these days seem to be missing). However, assuming someone wants to steal it and does, it wouldn't matter because all of the content isn't in the articles or even the words of the instructor but in the questions answered and experiences lived during the class.
Long answer I suppose but thourough.
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Rells
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.20 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dakaahr Edited by: Dakaahr on 20/06/2008 22:52:20 Sounds great, can anyone one join ?
Edit: scratch that, i have to take BASIC and WOLFPACKS first, okey.
We assume certain navigation skills that are taught in those classes. Specifically mini warping, Tactical Assisted Mini warping, Technical Bookmarking Techniques and Managed EWAR distribution.
But don't worry, I will ensure that BOTH classes are offered prior to the class so you can reserve a seat in PVP-BOMBERS now.
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Viqtoria
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.06.20 23:36:00 -
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Conversely microsoft actively encouraged the pirating of it's operating systems by giving them garbage security and easily *****ed keygens, of course when you sell the mortar for nothing but only your bricks can be used with it, you make a killing. furthermore,
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An Anarchyyt
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.20 23:39:00 -
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I would and all, but I can think of a lot more worthwhile ways to waste ISK.
Why don't you come to GS training session instead?
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.06.20 23:40:00 -
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Edited by: Tamia Clant on 20/06/2008 23:42:00
Originally by: An Anarchyyt I would and all, but I can think of a lot more worthwhile ways to waste ISK.
Why don't you come to GS training session instead?
You're trying really hard to get this thread derailed, aren't you?
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THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.06.20 23:43:00 -
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3rd party recording programs 4tw
fake edit: lol stealth bombers
2nd fake edit: lol bombs
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