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White Ronin
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Posted - 2008.06.12 17:23:00 -
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Linkage Please read their posts. Please read the minutes of their meetings. Please understand what they are SUPPOSED to be responsible for doing.
They are supposed to be looking at issues in EVE to help better the game as a whole for everyone concerned and then forwarding these ideas and observations to CCP so they can be addressed.
After reading their minutes and their posts, do you believe this is happening?
Please make your voices heard and have these people removed.
We can find a better way then this gigantic waste of time.
If you do nothing, THEY may actually have some say in the content of the game you play and how you are able to play it.
Thank you.
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Bleeshtar
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Posted - 2008.06.12 17:25:00 -
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Two things...
1.) Did YOU cast a vote?
2.) It would be nice if the link pointed at a specific thread instead of the entire forum. |
bestsnail
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:01:00 -
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Ive said it before these ppl are only out for themselves. Half of them are in npc corps and have no idea how the vast majority of the game works outside mining veld and running lvl 4s. Should have been a way to vote agaist ppl imo.
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White Ronin
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Bleeshtar Two things...
1.) Did YOU cast a vote?
If I lied how would you know? Seriously, not an issue though if it bugs you that I may or may not have voted, please believe what makes you most comfortable.
Also, most players do not believe thse CSM will have any effect on their playing this game. Others believe that no matter their vote, the votes of all the multi accounts, alts and whatnot of the supporting corp will make their vote worthless. But that would be a thread about the voting process. This thread is not about voting or the process. Please try to stay on topic.
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2.) It would be nice if the link pointed at a specific thread instead of the entire forum.
That is the point isnt it? It is all their public communications that prove what I say. I do not seek to say what you should read to prove this. Simply put, read any of it to see a total lack of regard for their duties.
Again, please disband this group or they may have a say in how you are allowed to play this game.
There is a better way.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: White Ronin There is a better way.
Please, do tell. |
Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Bleeshtar Two things...
1.) Did YOU cast a vote?
2.) It would be nice if the link pointed at a specific thread instead of the entire forum.
that require an ounce of action, and not just reaction. |
Sgt Napalm
Synergy Evolved Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:08:00 -
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No
Shut up
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Ralara
Vivicide
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: White Ronin most players do not believe thse CSM will have any effect on their playing this game.
That's not true.
MOST players (over 95%) didn't even vote. Well, most accounts, anyway, but I'd imagine that those who did want to vote used all their accounts to do it, so yeah, most players either didn't even bother to "abstain" or they're not even aware of it.
How these people "represent" EvE is beyond me, and after read the minutes a few days ago, I'm lost for words.
Well, no, I'm not - I'm typing, but nyr :p |
White Ronin
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:21:00 -
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If anyone disagrees fine. I am not asking for anthing other then the general population of Eve to take notice of people who may have a say in how they play this game. Agree or disagree, that is not the point.
Again I ask that people look in on the actions of the supposed "community representatives".
There are many threads about what is happening. Debate your opinion there.
I am simply trying to raise awareness.
Please follow the link on the first post and decide for yourself.
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Gridwalker
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:27:00 -
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They don't so much have a say in the future of the game as they do in the future of the CSM. I would like to believe that CCP is smart enough to recognize what is going on, and weigh in on the value of the CSM appropriately.
CCP is under no obligation whatsoever to listen to a word these people say.
-Grid
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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:42:00 -
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I voted ... tho I honestly believe the CSM is more a PR stunt than a real attempt at touching the community.
CCP has, for the last 2 years shown a tendency to simply try to make the game more appealing to the weekend warrior. This is both good and bad.
We must face the fact that eve is becoming a game of the masses, specially when ambulation hits TQ. So in the end you'll see that Hi sec , L4 mission running and general carebearing will be more prevalent. It's the trend of the game, and I know CCP's devs WANT something different, the pseudo-pvp lite attempt of FW is a show of them trying to "persuade" people into pvp, and supports this idea, but the masses have spoken, they want more PvE, more L4 hi quality agents, etc. You don't have to be a genius to see that the gross mass of players live and die in Hi Sec.
The CSM honestly is as powerful as a T1 indy . They can carry lots of ideas in them, but essentially their tanks are paper thin.
Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
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Jakke Logan
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:47:00 -
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The CSM is pretty much going the way the SWG "senate" did. All of them have their own agendas (largely self aggrandizement) and they want to do everything in secret.
The end result will be the same, they will have ZERO impact on CCP's plans. They will be able to do nothing to get CCP to fix the severe server performance problems the game has, nor to focus on bugs instead of "bring in the WOW masses" gimmicks like faction warfare.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:53:00 -
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Then there are thiose of us that don't care either way
I voted
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DogSlime
Wilde Cards
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Posted - 2008.06.12 19:21:00 -
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THESE people have no decision in my future. They may have some influence over a video game that I play, but I would hardly call that my future.
The CSM does seem to be a bit... I dunno... chaotic, but if they get the Nighthawk fixed then as far as I am concerned, they're great. |
Matrixcvd
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.06.12 19:25:00 -
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WOW, i just read thru their garbage issues poasts and was astounded by how lame, self-serving and just hello kitty ish this whole thing has gotten. I swear these people are trying to turn this "cold harsh place" to "hi can i hump your leg and you can hold my hand while we mine together" place...
utterly atrocious and disgusting |
Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.06.12 19:35:00 -
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If you didnt vote and your complaining about the situation you only have yourself to blame that individuals who you think are screwing up are in the CSM. Maybe next time you wont be as bone headed to think that obstaining from a vote will send a "message". -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Jentao
The Ministry of Propaganda
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Posted - 2008.06.12 19:35:00 -
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So, IF you actually read the minutes, it seems that the council is still trying to work out the mechanics of how they are going to function. Hardly a time to critisize their effectiveness.
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Gekkoh
Circle of Steel Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 20:00:00 -
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They don't have any decision making capabilities at all.
In fact, if anyone actually thinks that they have any real power, they're overestimating the program.
Trust me, if these guys act like asshats, then the devs won't pay much attention to them at all. Besides, this program was more of a PR ploy to counter the bad press they got last year than it was a method of communication that was actually needed.
Unfortunately, when you give certain personalities the illusion of power, they pump themselves up internally, and immediately try throw their perceived weight around.
More than just the nature of MMO players (which is somewhat different than the general population, as we attract a higher rate of socially inept people), this is the nature of humanity.
Unless CCP assigns someone to moderate this group, someone that they all will respect, and you get them to understand that being voted in doesn't give them carte blanche to be disruptive/arrogant ass hats, and that CCP very well can remove people who aren't constructive, then I'm afraid this is what we're going to have for awhile.
Unfortunately for the CSMs that aren't a part of the problem, the actions of the few hotheads and egomaniacs are giving them a bad name as well. |
White Ronin
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Posted - 2008.06.12 20:04:00 -
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Thank you for your comments and opinions. Please follow the link on the first post and decide for yourself.
Are they really representing your best interests? Are they representing anyone's interests but their own?
You decide.
Thank you. |
goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.12 20:05:00 -
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Edited by: goodby4u on 12/06/2008 20:05:18 I voted.
And that vote was for hardin....Twice...Because I think he is representing my best interests. |
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Rells
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.12 20:10:00 -
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Frankly I cant believe you expected otherwise.
Did you think a popularity contest with the most recognized names in Eve would magically produce a council with the best interests of the players at heart? I was not so nieve. The vast majority of people in this will be looking out for themselves, a way o get ahead of the rest. That they acted with such lack of decorum and respect is bloody obvious.
The reality is that CCP should have chosen a council from the most influential organizations in Eve ranging from large trade corporations or traders that run thousands of orders to education in eve to alliance warfare and piracy. By recognizing these people leading IN GAME rather than on a bloody forum you would have had a chance.
As of now it was and is a big joke.
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Shakari Sween
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.12 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gekkoh They don't have any decision making capabilities at all.
In fact, if anyone actually thinks that they have any real power, they're overestimating the program.
Trust me, if these guys act like asshats, then the devs won't pay much attention to them at all. Besides, this program was more of a PR ploy to counter the bad press they got last year than it was a method of communication that was actually needed.
Unfortunately, when you give certain personalities the illusion of power, they pump themselves up internally, and immediately try throw their perceived weight around.
More than just the nature of MMO players (which is somewhat different than the general population, as we attract a higher rate of socially inept people), this is the nature of humanity.
Unless CCP assigns someone to moderate this group, someone that they all will respect, and you get them to understand that being voted in doesn't give them carte blanche to be disruptive/arrogant ass hats, and that CCP very well can remove people who aren't constructive, then I'm afraid this is what we're going to have for awhile.
Unfortunately for the CSMs that aren't a part of the problem, the actions of the few hotheads and egomaniacs are giving them a bad name as well.
The best and most effective way for the csm to get a 'kick' in the pants would be for ccp to remove one of them. This would scare them and show them who really is the boss. It would also force them to rethink why they are doing it.
Of course by the time they rethinked their posistion they might decide that its not worth all the time and effort! So i hear there's no line to break sigs so your reading this cause I put it in to look like part of my post! |
Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.12 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic Please, do tell.
I'd say that the obvious solution is to disband the current CSM, and reincarnate it with some of the following: - Chaired by a long standing CCP GM/Dev (No Nonsense personality plz) - Preesablished (by CCP) behavioral guidelines (including hard fast rules and punishments) - Vote In Game, and require a vote for an individual or against the CSM as a whole - Allow the community to get a list of questions to have each new candidate asked (similar to Ask Slashdot) - Make sure that there's a direct link to what each candidate believes and has accomplished in game on the voting page
I could come up with more if I were so inclined.
What I've seen from the CSM has been utter trash.
-Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved. |
White Ronin
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Posted - 2008.06.12 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: White Ronin on 12/06/2008 20:20:34
Originally by: Rells Frankly I cant believe you expected otherwise.
Did you think a popularity contest with the most recognized names in Eve would magically produce a council with the best interests of the players at heart? I was not so nieve. The vast majority of people in this will be looking out for themselves, a way o get ahead of the rest. That they acted with such lack of decorum and respect is bloody obvious.
The reality is that CCP should have chosen a council from the most influential organizations in Eve ranging from large trade corporations or traders that run thousands of orders to education in eve to alliance warfare and piracy. By recognizing these people leading IN GAME rather than on a bloody forum you would have had a chance.
As of now it was and is a big joke.
Thank you. Hopefully this idea can get some attention. There are many players who spend a lot of time helping in the game and really should be the ones who help change it for the better for everyone. Again, thank you Rells. |
diabolic clone
Anomaly Collective
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Posted - 2008.06.12 20:39:00 -
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Have some patience, they're not very well organized but what can you expect when you stick a bunch of people randomly together in a group of open discussion (although I think Ankhesen does a very helpful and productive task with the agenda stuff ), this isn't their job and they don't get paid for it.. sort of if you don't count the trip or whatever as payment.
I hope all the negative feedback they've been getting doesn't discourage them from being constructive for when they go to raise issues in Iceland. You know there is a limit to what they can do and there is a lot of stuff they have/are/will go over. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.12 20:47:00 -
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Well the CSM can still turn around, but it is getting close to "I told you so..." time. Yes I voted and yes none of the people I voted for got elected, rofls.
Originally by: CSM Meeting Notes
[ 2008.06.08 21:56:09 ] Inanna Zuni > LAvISTA IS TRYING TO SPEAK ... [ 2008.06.08 21:56:16 ] Inanna Zuni > (oops .. caps lock() [ 2008.06.08 21:56:32 ] Jade Constantine > yes Lavista ? [ 2008.06.08 21:56:55 ] LaVista Vista > We are 2 hours over time now, right? [ 2008.06.08 21:57:01 ] Jade Constantine > yes we are [ 2008.06.08 21:57:04 ] LaVista Vista > Good. [ 2008.06.08 21:57:12 ] LaVista Vista > How much time have we wasted discussing nothing? [ 2008.06.08 21:57:22 ] LaVista Vista > How much of it is TOTALLY pointless? [ 2008.06.08 21:57:25 ] Bane Glorious > probably most of it [ 2008.06.08 21:57:35 ] Jade Constantine > we have wasted a lot of time in this meeting arguing about nothing in my opinion [ 2008.06.08 21:58:05 ] LaVista Vista > Good. [ 2008.06.08 21:58:08 ] Ankhesentapemkah > Yep, and do we plan to behave like little children in Iceland too or what?
Individual agendas and egos running rampant is what happens when you elect a group of forum warriors to do anything.
It is also insanely obvious that the topics that CSM members created will make it to Iceland while all other peasant (non-CSM people) topics will get zero attention. The bias is very obvious in that the CSM member topics can receive very low support and other topics blatantly ignored.
I just wish they'd make the CSM a corp and throw all the CSM mains in there so we can war dec and pod them repeatedly. |
White Ronin
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Posted - 2008.06.12 20:49:00 -
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They would never undock. |
Blind Jhon
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Posted - 2008.06.12 20:53:00 -
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Quote: CYCLONE NEED ONE EXTRA MEDIUM SLOT
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.06.12 20:58:00 -
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This just in, newly created organization has issues.
more at 11.
Originally by: Meridius Dex I could actually fit a Thorax WITH LASERS and get better DPS, better speed, better tank and - wait for it - better cap stability
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.06.12 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Who cares? Its not like the CSM is anything more then a publicity stunt/scapegoat anyway.
^^This
It's so safe to play along, little soldiers in a row Falling in and out of love, with something sweet to throw away. I want something good to DIE for...to make it beautiful to live. |
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