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PeacefullNub
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Posted - 2008.05.01 13:38:00 -
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First of all (before all of you will trow garbage in my direction) i personly dont think that its needed (i dont have enough experience anyway). "Then why you created this stuppid topic?" you may ask. Simple:
I (and i hope - not i alone) will link this thread every time when somebody tries (on different forums, in game chats) to proof that drake is good pvp ship.
It becomes very annoying to see femenine logic like this: "my ham drake kills every other tier 2 bc at 15km on test server -> drake is best pvp bc -> drake better than any other BC in gangs." (and drake kills indi -> drake is good transport ship btw). Its completly impossible to explain, why some fleetcoms dont whant to take this uberpvndrake in gang, ppls just dont whant to listen. But if they are right and drake is good in pvp, then drake definetly need nerf (looks like it best pve, missionrun and solo\gang pvp bc - hell, its IMBAship!) and harbi, myrm and huricane needs boost.
Lets switch their blind entusiasm in suitable for us direction. :) P.S. Plz send some more drake pvpers here.
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Idxx
Amarr Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.01 13:42:00 -
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what
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NightmareX
Quam Singulari Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.01 13:46:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 01/05/2008 13:52:21 The Drake is good in one thing in PVP, and it's to be bait, because it tanks like a Battleship, and can hold the tank until the backup arives.
But then, Drake is known for not doing much damage, so it's not a problem to tank it.
So as i see it, the Drake don't need a Nerf for the monent. But if i had decided what to do with the Drake later, i would nerfed it's tank a little, but boosted it's damage.
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NoNah
Tenth Legion Holdings Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.01 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: PeacefullNub First of all (before all of you will trow garbage in my direction) i personly dont think that its needed (i dont have enough experience anyway). "Then why you created this stuppid topic?" you may ask. Simple:
I (and i hope - not i alone) will link this thread every time when somebody tries (on different forums, in game chats) to proof that drake is good pvp ship.
It becomes very annoying to see femenine logic like this: "my ham drake kills every other tier 2 bc at 15km on test server -> drake is best pvp bc -> drake better than any other BC in gangs." (and drake kills indi -> drake is good transport ship btw). Its completly impossible to explain, why some fleetcoms dont whant to take this uberpvndrake in gang, ppls just dont whant to listen. But if they are right and drake is good in pvp, then drake definetly need nerf (looks like it best pve, missionrun and solo\gang pvp bc - hell, its IMBAship!) and harbi, myrm and huricane needs boost.
Lets switch their blind entusiasm in suitable for us direction. :) P.S. Plz send some more drake pvpers here.
There are three reasons. 1) Caldari pilots tend to not think for themselves. This is no joke - they tend to pick up on a seutp and then go with it, if enough people says they're crap for pvp, the whinesquad will make sure it's true. 2) Most people fit their drakes with huge tanks and nothing else. Often passively tanked. This means they will be in gang, deal some dps, and never get killed, at the expense of their gangmates. 3) As marked, missiles and fleets rarely match. There's a delay, which means it's harder to synchronize and if you have a fleet of goons that you'll have to tell what to do detail for detail what to do - the drakes won't match all other ships. Set a normal BC to fire on any vessel that approaches and you'll have have a chance for your potshots to actually hit and even hurt.
Same goes for ravens, except they're rarely AS defensively fitted as the Drakes. The reasons why it's superior is: 1) Superior range 2) Least skillintensive of all BC's 3) "Immune" to most forms of EW 4) Great damage at suggested range 5) Fitting enough to easily make it a spidertank 6) Missiles(Always hit, selectable damagetypes, trackingless)
Is it greatly superior in all roles? Hell no. But it's def. in the top among the BC's, and I dare say the BC that holds most titles as "best in role".
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Gypsio III
Bambooule
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Posted - 2008.05.01 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
The Drake is good in one thing in PVP, and its to be bait, because it tanks like a Battleship, and can hold the tank until the backup arives.
But then, Drake is known for not doing much damage, so it's not a problem to tank it.
So as i see it, the Drake don't need a Nerf for the monent. But if i had decided what to do with the Drake later, i would nerfed its tank a little, but boosted it's damage.
My sole contribution to this thread will be to laugh at this post.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge XIII Legio
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Posted - 2008.05.01 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: PeacefullNub ...It becomes very annoying to see femenine logic like this:
"my ham drake kills every other tier 2 bc at 15km on test server -> drake is best pvp bc -> drake better than any other BC in gangs." ...
What is feminine about that logic?
PeacefulNub
I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU!
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Damneia Achernius
Drop of Blood
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Posted - 2008.05.01 14:27:00 -
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sight.. forced to post whit my alt as acc ran out :P
ok.. on topic.
as my main can fly all the BCs whit t2 gear... i can say this... none of them needs boosted or nerfed.
Drake: huge tank/crap damage or very wicked dps whit HAMS/very crap tank. balanced and perfect Myrmidon: tank and good drone dps while being able to tackle well. not overpowerd anymore due to the nerf. Harbinger: TOP dps :) cant tank well tho. Hurricane: Can be nanod, can be tanked, can be made to "gank"... all fits have strong points and strong weaknesses :P Brutix: if u tank it... you lose alot of dps. if you gank it... you lose alot of tank. fair deal Ferox: can be good whit blasters and allso very nice rail platform... could use a bit of boost... not much tho :D Prophecy: silly tanker.. damage is sux Cyclone: ok tank, ok dps
atm in my hangar are PvP fitted: Harbinger: gank fit Hurricane: gank fit Brutix: tank fit Drake: passive tank fit
my point: all BCs are great atm. changeing them would wreck things alot :(
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AnKahn
Caldari Occassus Republica Legio Mithras
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Posted - 2008.05.01 14:28:00 -
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Everyone thinks the OTHER race has it so good.
Delayed damage? Anyone watch Ogre IIs move?
Over tanked? That's just many of us Caldari are a little timid and noob.
I am crosstraining Gallente and like their ships. They move so much better than Caldari. But now I'm unsure if I want my DPS to be so killable. And guess what? That's what Gallente pilots have been telling us all along. Everything is a trade off and EvE balance is not so bad.
When I buy another Drake Im going to leave the tank at home and give it speed and tackle and HAMs.
This point, I think, is kind of settled.
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Wu Jiun
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.01 14:30:00 -
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drake is an excellent pvp ship. ham drake has good damage with very good range and competitive hp buffer. its really easy, t2 hams, web, scram, mwd, 2 x invul, lse, 3 x bcs 2, dcu2, 3 x extender rigs. maybe needs a fitting imp.
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Mara Rinn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.05.01 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous What is feminine about that logic?
He's Amarr. Of course he's a sexist bastard.
I fly a drake for level 4 missions. It has next to no DPS, especially compared to my friends flying Hurricanes, but it tanks well.
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Stuart Price
Caldari Black Water.
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Posted - 2008.05.01 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: NightmareX
The Drake is good in one thing in PVP, and its to be bait, because it tanks like a Battleship, and can hold the tank until the backup arives.
But then, Drake is known for not doing much damage, so it's not a problem to tank it.
So as i see it, the Drake don't need a Nerf for the monent. But if i had decided what to do with the Drake later, i would nerfed its tank a little, but boosted it's damage.
My sole contribution to this thread will be to laugh at this post.
Gypsio in a Drake thread. I think I'll join you.
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General Spaz
Minmatar Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.05.01 15:10:00 -
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I'll play along.
The drake falls into the same category as most BC's. It can either be setup to tank or gank, period.
A dual rep Cane or passive shield Myrmm can tank just as well, ive never flown the Harbinger.
The Drake is still slower, has crap DPS unless HAM fitted (then it is paper anyways), and does nothing to nanoships.
It has no true role in a fleet except as bait, and you want it nerfed? only the tier 1 BC's need a boost.
Brutix is ok, not sure about the Proph. Ferox and Cyclone: is there any reason to fly one of these?
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Hannobaal
Gallente Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.01 15:18:00 -
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The Drake, for pvp combat, has an undeservedly bad reputation for the same reason a lot of other ships that have undeservedly bad repuations have them (like the tech 1 destroyers): a lot of people fit them in the crappiest ways. You take a ridiculously over-tanked Drake without damage mods (and maybe even without an mwd) into combat, and yeah of course it's gonna suck.
If you use its inherently good tanking ability to make a balanced fitting with mwd, tackling gear, and damage mods, you can have a good solo pvp ship that has all the mods it needs for a solo pvp combat ship, does decent dps and still has a tank as good as any other battlecruiser. (And I'm not even talking about the HAM Drake there.)
And as for missiles in fleets, it's only in larger fleets fighting over distance that it is a problem, and then only if people insist on shooting the freaking primary with them.
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Miranda Ceres
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Posted - 2008.05.01 15:20:00 -
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Myrmidon tanks more than the drake and does more damage. :)
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.05.01 15:20:00 -
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lol nerd got killed by drake it looks like
if you got caught flat footed by a slow drake you deserve to die
drake is fine deal with it :)
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Hannobaal
Gallente Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.01 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Miranda Ceres Myrmidon tanks more than the drake and does more damage. :)
Not once you kill its drones and it runs out of cap charges.
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Hannobaal
Gallente Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.01 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Cosmic lol nerd got killed by drake it looks like
if you got caught flat footed by a slow drake you deserve to die
drake is fine deal with it :)
You should probably read the opening post before writing down your opinion about the poster. Just sayin'...
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Kusha'an
Gallente Equinox Industrial Co.
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Posted - 2008.05.01 16:16:00 -
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Just change the Myrm's high slots to missile hardpoints!!11ONE1!1!!ELEVENTY!!!
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Cautet
Precision Engineering Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.01 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Cautet on 01/05/2008 16:34:13 If someone asks whether they should bring a drake or a turret bc to a fleet fight theres a lot of good reasons why to bring the turret bc instead:
It's not going to be hitting anything except slow ships in a med range. Think about this for a minute. So it's not going to be hitting enemy recons because they are too fast or out of range. It's not going to be hitting interdictors or interceptors. It's not going to be hitting enemy fleet battleships because they are out of range. So it's primary ability is to hit anti-support bc. This is not a usefull role.
In other circumstances there are other reasons to bring it or not bring it, but in most circumstances outside of lowsec or 1-1 fights between bc on sisi, all other things being equal most fc's would rather see another rook or scorpion or flycatcher or rokh or cerb or a turret bc (including the ferox) on the field than a drake.
I'm not saying it's a bad ship, and ham drake sounds fun even though ive never tried it, but I still think there are better ships to bring for fleet, and for roaming. [/url] |
Aadi Grox
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.05.01 20:21:00 -
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Ferox is a completely inferior ship to the Brutix in every way, shape, and form in the blaster role. If you can't get in web range with a blaster ship you aren't doing it right.
Ham Drake rigged gives you a solid 80k EHP
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.05.01 21:23:00 -
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I guess my 700 dps drake is only good for baiting
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2008.05.01 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Atsuko Ratu I guess my 700 dps drake is only good for baiting
post setup or I call shenanigans
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The Tzar
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Posted - 2008.05.01 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: The Tzar on 01/05/2008 22:01:37 To the OP, once again a nerf is a suggested change to the game AND SHOULD BELONG IN FEATURES AND IDEAS DISCUSSION!
Drake does not need a nerf, you on the other hand...
edit : So we the above signed don't have to see these annoying nerf cry nerf threads __________________________________________
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Lona Lwyd
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Posted - 2008.05.01 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Atsuko Ratu I guess my 700 dps drake is only good for baiting
post setup or I call shenanigans
7 Heavy Assault launcher II 2 LSE II 10mn mwd, web, disruptor, invul 3 bcs II 1 dc II 3 extender rigs ecm/combat drones
People that say that the Drake is only good for baiting is referring to the selfish bastards that pvp's in a 4 SPR II tank with only a warp disruptor as tackling gear, i.e some one that's pretty much useless for your gang. And most Drake pilots are like this.
But there are some Drake pilots with huuuuge sacks that doesn't go all out tank and actually adds in 3 damage mods. I salute you!
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Hannobaal
Gallente Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.01 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lona Lwyd
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Atsuko Ratu I guess my 700 dps drake is only good for baiting
post setup or I call shenanigans
7 Heavy Assault launcher II 2 LSE II 10mn mwd, web, disruptor, invul 3 bcs II 1 dc II 3 extender rigs ecm/combat drones
People that say that the Drake is only good for baiting is referring to the selfish bastards that pvp's in a 4 SPR II tank with only a warp disruptor as tackling gear, i.e some one that's pretty much useless for your gang. And most Drake pilots are like this.
But there are some Drake pilots with huuuuge sacks that doesn't go all out tank and actually adds in 3 damage mods. I salute you!
Doesn't quite get to 700 (even with maxed skills) unless you use an implant though.
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Lona Lwyd
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Posted - 2008.05.01 22:11:00 -
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You should be using implants if you're going to rig it anyway, but still quite a lot of dps considering the versatility and tank.
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Cautet
Precision Engineering Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.01 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Atsuko Ratu I guess my 700 dps drake is only good for baiting
No, I bet it rats really good also. [/url] |
Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.05.01 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: AnKahn Everyone thinks the OTHER race has it so good.
Delayed damage? Anyone watch Ogre IIs move?
Over tanked? That's just many of us Caldari are a little timid and noob.
I am crosstraining Gallente and like their ships. They move so much better than Caldari. But now I'm unsure if I want my DPS to be so killable. And guess what? That's what Gallente pilots have been telling us all along. Everything is a trade off and EvE balance is not so bad.
When I buy another Drake Im going to leave the tank at home and give it speed and tackle and HAMs.
This point, I think, is kind of settled.
HAM drake has nice DPS and a big buffer.
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Eardianm
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.01 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Lona Lwyd
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Atsuko Ratu I guess my 700 dps drake is only good for baiting
post setup or I call shenanigans
7 Heavy Assault launcher II 2 LSE II 10mn mwd, web, disruptor, invul 3 bcs II 1 dc II 3 extender rigs ecm/combat drones
People that say that the Drake is only good for baiting is referring to the selfish bastards that pvp's in a 4 SPR II tank with only a warp disruptor as tackling gear, i.e some one that's pretty much useless for your gang. And most Drake pilots are like this.
But there are some Drake pilots with huuuuge sacks that doesn't go all out tank and actually adds in 3 damage mods. I salute you!
Doesn't quite get to 700 (even with maxed skills) unless you use an implant though.
Nor does it fit. Copy and paste better next time. Or maybe try actually flying the ******* ship first
(you won't even sniff 600dps with ewar drones, btw, short of max skills and 5% implants. 700dps in game is lol) --------------
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Hannobaal
Gallente Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Hannobaal on 02/05/2008 00:13:37
Originally by: Eardianm
Originally by: Hannobaal
Doesn't quite get to 700 (even with maxed skills) unless you use an implant though.
Nor does it fit. Copy and paste better next time. Or maybe try actually flying the ******* ship first
(you won't even sniff 600dps with ewar drones, btw, short of max skills and 5% implants. 700dps in game is lol)
Well, I wasn't talking about the specific setup that was posted but about the gank fitted HAM Drake in general. With maxed skills, using an implant, using the tech 2 high damage missiles for ammo and with 4 damage mods (and of course 5 hobgoblin II's, not ECM drones) you will get 702 dps.
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