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Corwain
Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2008.04.26 04:14:00 -
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The guys saying "Its so hard cause we have no SP" are dead wrong. It's really hard for you cause you don't have experience.
Back when I first started PvP (I'd been playing for around 6 months at the time and my char was just learning t2 drones and med guns, you get so much starting skills now!) so I fitted out a t1 cruiser one night and with a friend we roamed a losec system killing all who opposed us. Well I quickly realized after going from nearly 5 sec status to -1 in a single night that I was gonna need an alt, or a ISK source in losec and as my alliance had a strict no piracy policy at the time (which I'd just spent all night disobeying) I decided I needed an alt. After all I was addicted.
So I started an alt, trained him to fit small guns, med nos, medium armor rep, and gallente cruiser and use t1 drones. Tackle took an agonizing 2 days to train. Took him out for his first night in losec. I bought nothing but pure tech1 gear for him and insured the Vexor I bought him. Soon I was attacked by two 1 year old players in a Wolf each. They attacked I'm sure thinking "Oh look, another 2 week old noob corper ratting in losec..." They both went home in pods (they knew to warp em!).
So STFU seriously. Been there done that kicked ass. Filmed it too. It is NOT harder for you, there were plenty of high skill PvPers around when I started. Stop whining, and get out there and kick some ass yourself, it's really not that hard. PvPers aren't special, they've just got the guts to put it on the line and take a risk for fun. After all it is a game. -- Distortion| Distortion 2 Preview |
Amastat
Caldari Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.04.26 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Saori Rei Want to improve EvE? Here's how!
1) PVP flags. If you want pvp, a little red flag appears on your ship. If you dont you get a white one and are invincible.
2) Seperate servers. One for PvP, one for PvE just like UO had... has?
3) With every subscription one gets a free 14 days on hello kitty online. Even better, playing HKO for at least a month provides you with a unique code for the Hello Kitty faction ship of your race. Imagine that!
Now THAT will boost PVP... pastel pink Gallente Hyperions....
*twitch* Ugh going to go wash my brain out with soap and get back to PROPER PvP...
*twitch*
Yea - I'd love to see how the markets and supply would be with that. And what 0.0 would be like. And what the whole point of half of the items of the market are (like cloaking devices). And what the point of capitals are. And... you get the point :P ____________________
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.26 05:27:00 -
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I don't think instancing would fix the problem with fleets that the game suffers right now. In fact it could make the problem worse actually.
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Diek Ran
Amarr Autonums
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Posted - 2008.04.26 05:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sharp Feather Carebear? Carebear? Ahahah you guys make me laugh sooOooO hard when you are all throwing ''you are a carebear'' at each other. You are all carebears and If it wasnt the case everyone would run around alone and shot at each other just worrying about how to have more fun.
In this point I stick with the OP.
Too many people in this game are something like this:
New. Join a corp. Beg for a cruiser and ISK like there's no tomorrow. Spam the corp channel with random crap. Fly out with a gang. Camp a gate. Call everybody and everything that they don't understand a CAREBEAR. Only fly FOTM, and when left alone, cry in corp channel.
But yeah, right, they pvp :/
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Originally by: Verlyn
I know it's my own fault, BUT THATS NOT THE POINT!
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Sunbird Huy
Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.04 19:20:00 -
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absolute bull... even a 1 month old noob can kill a 3 year old given proper circumstances... if u create a minmatar pvp char, u can fly a MAD rifter with t2 guns real soon... in the end it is all about your experience in game at flying the ship/using the mods on your ship... and pvp is not about killing the other guy, but actually out-living him, or if he's too strong for you, getting out of the fight u are bound to lose, and fight it some time later on your terms. and having a bigger ship does not make you the tougher guy in a fight, only makes u a bigger target, unless u know how to fly the Goddamn thing |
Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.05 00:58:00 -
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In reply to the OPs title.. Every grid is an instance, or near as dam it.
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Natsuki
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.05 04:15:00 -
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In case you never noticed, Eve changed from being a game about tactical fighting (small scale - pilot skill means a lot), to stragetic (very large scale - pilot skill means very little.) This is also part of the reason the game has become extremely ****IN BORING. but that's the way it is. -----------------------------------
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2008.05.05 04:45:00 -
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a pvp area would be nice though. I declare war on stupidity |
Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.05.05 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Buyerr a pvp area would be nice though.
Test server.
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Grapez
Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2008.05.05 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: "OP" make pvp instance
No.
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Fredior Khan'Sebies
Minmatar Mikramurka Solace
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Posted - 2008.05.05 05:00:00 -
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Edited by: Fredior Khan''Sebies on 05/05/2008 05:01:20 Edited by: Fredior Khan''Sebies on 05/05/2008 05:00:29 OK, how about this:
When ambulation hits
include simulators of Eve in stations
where ships and items cost 100 ISK each
using variable skill levels agreed upon beforehand (10 mill sps, 5 mill sps, just as you are, etc)
AND PEOPLE CAN WATCH AND BET ON THE OUTCOMES!!!!
There. A mechanic that ties into CCP's beloved Ambulation, combines violent spectator sport with gambling, gives newbies a chance to "try out" ships/fittings in Eve and learn the pvp ropes (at least how the ship will react), and not actually instance "real" pvp. It is immersive, it can be the basis of events, etc.
Hell, I used to do something similar in real life involving Martian death races, pods and a betting parlor-type situation.
And if it would take too many people from SiSi, limit how often these ambulation sim combat betting parlors are open for business.
Edit Edit: Anyone else out there remember the Virtual Geographic League? (I fail at editing)
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari Stickler inc
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Posted - 2008.05.05 05:02:00 -
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That's actually not a bad idea. Just wait for Jita to get packed out tho.
Organised 1v1, 2v2, 4v4 etc matches.
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Fredior Khan'Sebies
Minmatar Mikramurka Solace
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Posted - 2008.05.05 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jmanis Catharg That's actually not a bad idea. Just wait for Jita to get packed out tho.
Organised 1v1, 2v2, 4v4 etc matches.
If that is a concern, have it be a "station service" only seeded in less used highsec systems away from the hubs.
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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2008.05.05 05:20:00 -
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frigs, join a corp, can bait?
Honestly, I throw away t2 fitted frigs now because I cba'd to give a damn about em.
I also pvp in a t2 mammoth, just because it is small/cheap, doesnt mean it is bad.
You're right, them 4 yr old chars are at EVERY GATE, and dispite the fact the game is growing, meaning an influx of newbies for you to shoot, eve is going to hell.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Xunlao Blackthorne
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.05 05:41:00 -
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That is crazy, leave eve alone. lol
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Sunbird Huy
Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.05 16:07:00 -
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aye/....sadly the big boys with 2,3,4 years of game time(even the 5 year ones) are so well skilled by now, the easiest thing for them is to camp gates and gank the noobier folk that come near... It's always been like that...The big muscly guy sits with his huge club and whips his little skinny slave to bring him the vine faster...The skinny little slave puts some laxative in the vine and rejoices his master's inbound run to toilet.(but not the whipping afterwards)....
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.05 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jmanis Catharg That's actually not a bad idea. Just wait for Jita to get packed out tho.
Organised 1v1, 2v2, 4v4 etc matches.
so set it up
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000Hunter000
Gallente Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2008.05.05 17:05:00 -
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I'm not a big ship to ship pvp fan but... lets not, the part where ur not truely 100% safe in this game no matter where u go, is what makes it attractive impo.
If u want instances, there are other MMOG's out there for u to play, have fun doing them. _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
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Iriana McNuke
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Posted - 2008.05.05 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97 Everyone started PVP without a clue, newbies these days HAVE NEVER HAD IT SO GOOD.
I've made a lot of mistakes since I started to play EVE. Like any idiot noob I tried to fight can-flippers, and ninja-salvagers. I tried to "duel" taking baits form cans - I allways was amazed of how many ships suddenly appear after you flash red lol - and ofc I failed.
Yes, there is a great deal of information available on forums and in specific websites, you can learn from your mistakes and you can refit your ship properly. You can also see what skills you neglected and train them acordingly.
But... what chances do I have against a 4 yrs old player with electronics / mechanics / gunnery / drones / nav / etc trained to 5? Even he's stationary, he still kicks my sorry arse. Hell, he only locks me and I take permanent damage, lol.
If we fight in the same ships, I'm toast - is obvious. If I fight in a ship that exploits a flaw design of his ship, he disengages (ofc). My only chance is to pick easy targets, or the allmighty gank.
And if you come and tell me "gank = pvp", then you do have a problem, really.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.05 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 05/05/2008 18:33:58 You can max out pretty much all the skills required for a given specific ship fitting in just a few million SP. These big 60 million SP players are barely any better than you'll be with that maxed out fitting, because it's maxed out. The rest of their 60 million SP are them having maxed out other fittings, giving them some choice. Providing you specialise, you can be pretty much the tippity top in a given form of combat within 6 months of creating a pilot.
Pretty much the entire purpose of the SP system is not, as in WoW or D&D or Everquest, a measure of how powerful your character is. All SP is is a method of unlocking new content. You need SP to unlock the use of a given ship or module, but thats about it. A few skills will give you a few % per level bonus in some thing or other, and it does probably mount up, but it's nothing decisive; it's mostly just a consolation for grinding through a 6 week training list, giving you something to look forward too before the final minutes. A well kitted tactically-savvy newbie in an appropriate set up will still beat a 60 million SP veteran in the wrong ship or with crappy tactics, bonuses or not.
The only real limiting factor in EVE is money. A pilot with a lot of money can afford to fly the finest T2- and officer-fitted ships, while a pilot without a lot of money will have to settle for cheaper options. An officer-fitted ship has a massive edge over an identical T1-fitted version. But then, money has little to do with SP or play-time. I've been playing for years, and I don't think I've ever had more than 250 million in the wallet at any given time; I know 6 month pilots who are already in to billion-sized sums. That 6 month pilot could kick my ass in PvP if he brings an expensive ship and setup and knew how to use it; my bargain basement ships wouldn't stand a chance. ------
Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways. |
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Grec
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Posted - 2008.05.05 21:21:00 -
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I'd like some of that,
I don't have much time to be in a corp because of work and family.
my pvp experience in this game goes like this:
searching some pvp in low sec alone and lo behold, i always get jumped by a gang of T2 ships executing your behind in a matter of seconds.
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absolutely no people to find.
so to have some pvp in this game you can't be casual and have to play hours on end? just this is getting more and more of a factor to decide wether to play further or not in my situation.
Too bad because really like this game (played UO in the beginning years so i like the consequences) but i just want some easy to get into pvp with fair fights instead of the overkill execution squads you face here.
You may look WoW and the other MMO's down, but it has more instant gratification then this game ever will offer.
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Benedic
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.05.05 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: Benedic on 05/05/2008 23:24:02 Another vote for the test server, it's basically what every person that cries about losing expensive ships wants. You can even post the killmails somewhere if it makes you feel better.
The downside of course is that there isn't much action on sisi in the 'lower sp oriented' FFAs. Your 'instanced' pvp is already there.
If you don't want to blob/get blobbed/kill noobs on TQ then I suggest you stay on sisi or find a new game. There is solo pvp to be had on TQ, but unless you strictly fly nano setups you are going to lose a lot in the process of finding it. The most fun you can have in this game is jumping blind solo in a battleship and killing until you die. Although it does start to get expensive when you encounter so many skill blobs with at least 2 falcons and a curse.
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Alora Venoda
GalTech Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.05.05 23:51:00 -
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haven't read much of the this thread past the OP, but i just would like to point out that solo pvp is very difficult in eve due to ship roles and the wide variety of tactics. small gangs are best for an "even match" - unlike in WoW where all the classes are much more balanced for 1 vs 1 combat.
as a side effect, since they have to use a gang anyway, why not a BIG gang if the people are available? the end result is that solo players are forced to find opportunities to gank weak targets, or to jump on the bandwagon and join the big fleets.
honestly, from the carebear point of view, gang pvp is much more fun and probably the only means to reliably engage in pvp at all.... safety in numbers, guidance from experienced FC's, clearly defined roles, planned strategies, teamwork, etc. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless.
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Sunbird Huy
Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.06 00:02:00 -
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Edited by: Sunbird Huy on 06/05/2008 00:03:39
Originally by: Iriana McNuke
Originally by: Benco97 Everyone started PVP without a clue, newbies these days HAVE NEVER HAD IT SO GOOD.
I've made a lot of mistakes since I started to play EVE. Like any idiot noob I tried to fight can-flippers, and ninja-salvagers. I tried to "duel" taking baits form cans - I allways was amazed of how many ships suddenly appear after you flash red lol - and ofc I failed.
Yes, there is a great deal of information available on forums and in specific websites, you can learn from your mistakes and you can refit your ship properly. You can also see what skills you neglected and train them acordingly.
But... what chances do I have against a 4 yrs old player with electronics / mechanics / gunnery / drones / nav / etc trained to 5? Even he's stationary, he still kicks my sorry arse. Hell, he only locks me and I take permanent damage, lol.
If we fight in the same ships, I'm toast - is obvious. If I fight in a ship that exploits a flaw design of his ship, he disengages (ofc). My only chance is to pick easy targets, or the allmighty gank.
And if you come and tell me "gank = pvp", then you do have a problem, really.
I absolutely see your point. But for example... Train the energy emission skills. dedicate solely to that. get into a cruiser or battle-cruiser. fit some medium/heavy energy neutralizers... pretend to be ratting in low sec. have another friend with ecm skills nearby just in case... and let that ganker pirate in a megathron jump you. as soon as he's there, NEUT the f**k out of his cap, let your ecm friend come in and jamm the poor sucker a bit. And let him boil in his anger! or simply, laugh at him. and he can be 10 years old, for all it matters. And to take it to next level? have a few buddies with DPS, and kill him/ransom him. Have the revenge for all those noobs that have been f****d up the a**e by those bored gankers. but i do agree, u don't stand a chance against a much more experienced player in 1v1 unless u know what to expect from him. But it would also be VERY VERY unfair to him to be killed by a 3 month old noob, after training 4 years to have what he has. EVE is EXTREMELY realistic on that part. take for example: Give a MIG-29 to an Iraqi pilot that has 100 hours of flying and let him combat a Russian combat pilot in a MIG-21(much, much older aircraft) with 10-15 years of active flying combat aircrafts. what u think which one will use the parachute(or the Pod, as we quazi-pilots have)...
EDIT: I have also tried to fight can-flippers...never did any good against them either, just grew past them...
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Bad Harlequin
Minmatar Chiroptera Factor
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Posted - 2008.05.06 00:19:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 06/05/2008 00:19:28 aagh stop stop stop! thread necromancy! it was 8 weeks* dead and someone ****sed gasoline on the smouldering embers
while there's lots of fun stuff we can do in ADDITION to the way eve is... um.. the op basically says people who've been playing longer can usually kill people new to the game. um. yes. and my mowhawk is red. next statement?
hell i've been here many years and you can probably kill me anyway. many people do. take a number and lose a lot of frigs learning to fly and/or work with people who can show you some tricks.
*edit: days. meant days. wishful thinking...
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Vin Fell
Globaltech Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.06 00:25:00 -
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Was frustrated and angry and I logged out of EVE, and TS and Vent.
Just lost 50mill in ships(2) in less than 9 minutes.
I just read the entire thread here, and I'm going to give it another go.
This is a fresh wind and excellent topic.
Thanks!
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Iriana McNuke
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Posted - 2008.05.06 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain The guys saying "Its so hard cause we have no SP" are dead wrong. It's really hard for you cause you don't have experience.
Back when I first started PvP (I'd been playing for around 6 months at the time and my char was just learning t2 drones and med guns, you get so much starting skills now!) so I fitted out a t1 cruiser one night and with a friend we roamed a losec system killing all who opposed us. Well I quickly realized after going from nearly 5 sec status to -1 in a single night that I was gonna need an alt, or a ISK source in losec and as my alliance had a strict no piracy policy at the time (which I'd just spent all night disobeying) I decided I needed an alt. After all I was addicted.
So I started an alt, trained him to fit small guns, med nos, medium armor rep, and gallente cruiser and use t1 drones. Tackle took an agonizing 2 days to train. Took him out for his first night in losec. I bought nothing but pure tech1 gear for him and insured the Vexor I bought him. Soon I was attacked by two 1 year old players in a Wolf each. They attacked I'm sure thinking "Oh look, another 2 week old noob corper ratting in losec..." They both went home in pods (they knew to warp em!).
So STFU seriously. Been there done that kicked ass. Filmed it too. It is NOT harder for you, there were plenty of high skill PvPers around when I started. Stop whining, and get out there and kick some ass yourself, it's really not that hard. PvPers aren't special, they've just got the guts to put it on the line and take a risk for fun. After all it is a game.
I hope you don't mind if I find your post... umm... somewhat unrealistic.
I'm not saying you are some kind of lier. I'm assuming you are telling the truth. 2 players of 1 yr old in T2 frigs, trying to kill a 2 weeks newb pilot in a T1 cruiser and failing... that shows a tremendous lack of skill. Even the wannabe yarrs gate campers can do better, really.
Anyway, my point was: players at my skill level are not dueling or pvp-ing. They are ganking, blobing, robbing or whatever. Only old players are interested in 1:1's. But like I said before, there is no chance for me to actually win such fight. And to engage just to see in how much time I pop... c'mon.
*shrug* I guess baiting the can-flippers with a ganksprey is the only way to get some action without being gang-raped.
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Sunbird Huy
Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.06 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: Sunbird Huy on 06/05/2008 14:40:54
Originally by: Iriana McNuke
Originally by: Corwain The guys saying "Its so hard cause we have no SP" are dead wrong. It's really hard for you cause you don't have experience.
Back when I first started PvP (I'd been playing for around 6 months at the time and my char was just learning t2 drones and med guns, you get so much starting skills now!) so I fitted out a t1 cruiser one night and with a friend we roamed a losec system killing all who opposed us. Well I quickly realized after going from nearly 5 sec status to -1 in a single night that I was gonna need an alt, or a ISK source in losec and as my alliance had a strict no piracy policy at the time (which I'd just spent all night disobeying) I decided I needed an alt. After all I was addicted.
So I started an alt, trained him to fit small guns, med nos, medium armor rep, and gallente cruiser and use t1 drones. Tackle took an agonizing 2 days to train. Took him out for his first night in losec. I bought nothing but pure tech1 gear for him and insured the Vexor I bought him. Soon I was attacked by two 1 year old players in a Wolf each. They attacked I'm sure thinking "Oh look, another 2 week old noob corper ratting in losec..." They both went home in pods (they knew to warp em!).
So STFU seriously. Been there done that kicked ass. Filmed it too. It is NOT harder for you, there were plenty of high skill PvPers around when I started. Stop whining, and get out there and kick some ass yourself, it's really not that hard. PvPers aren't special, they've just got the guts to put it on the line and take a risk for fun. After all it is a game.
I hope you don't mind if I find your post... umm... somewhat unrealistic.
I'm not saying you are some kind of lier. I'm assuming you are telling the truth. 2 players of 1 yr old in T2 frigs, trying to kill a 2 weeks newb pilot in a T1 cruiser and failing... that shows a tremendous lack of skill. Even the wannabe yarrs gate campers can do better, really.
Anyway, my point was: players at my skill level are not dueling or pvp-ing. They are ganking, blobing, robbing or whatever. Only old players are interested in 1:1's. But like I said before, there is no chance for me to actually win such fight. And to engage just to see in how much time I pop... c'mon.
*shrug* I guess baiting the can-flippers with a ganksprey is the only way to get some action without being gang-raped.
If u are already a caldari... and u like to kill can-flippers... Get into a Rokh(everyone knows it's more of a mining ship then a real combat ship)...fit only one mining laser, and fit the rest with blasters, webs, scramms, and tracking mods...let that can flipper get*****y and come close enough...then u have fun.
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CCP Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2008.05.06 14:43:00 -
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Instanced pvp goes against the very first design principles of EVE, the core of EVE. If we would change that it would change the very nature of the game we love.
No single shard No instance
Just one harsh, brtual universe where your highs and lows mean something real.
Pink Dread has been hijacked
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Areah Mar'khet
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.05.06 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia Instanced pvp goes against the very first design principles of EVE, the core of EVE. If we would change that it would change the very nature of the game we love.
No single shard No instance
Just one harsh, brtual universe where your highs and lows mean something real.
^ What the lady said. Instance pvp is stupid. you are now reading my signature |
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