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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.22 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix Edited by: Ikki Phoenix on 22/04/2008 16:19:49 By the way,if you don't like the BACON,what do you think of the Beetracker read here
I'm against this in all its varieties. CCP should close the loophole making this possible (from a programming point of view)
Good,then why not create a thread to demand that against the Goons tool?which by the way is private to the goons. Why have multiple threads against a publicly released tool that as of now is allowed by CCP,when tools such as the Goons one exists?To me that sounds like double standard.
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Buxaroo
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.22 16:34:00 -
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Wow. Look at all the isk farming carebears in this thread.
I thought EVE was about Darwinism in the making...guess not. You people do know this is a PVP game right? |
Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.04.22 16:37:00 -
[603]
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix Edited by: Ikki Phoenix on 22/04/2008 16:19:49 By the way,if you don't like the BACON,what do you think of the Beetracker read here
I'm against this in all its varieties. CCP should close the loophole making this possible (from a programming point of view)
Good,then why not create a thread to demand that against the Goons tool?which by the way is private to the goons. Why have multiple threads against a publicly released tool that as of now is allowed by CCP,when tools such as the Goons one exists?To me that sounds like double standard.
A former goon told me he was amazed people still believed beetracker was real and also look around the text, looks like it's done in paint.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9655/beetrackerth9.jpg
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.22 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix Edited by: Ikki Phoenix on 22/04/2008 16:19:49 By the way,if you don't like the BACON,what do you think of the Beetracker read here
I'm against this in all its varieties. CCP should close the loophole making this possible (from a programming point of view)
Good,then why not create a thread to demand that against the Goons tool?which by the way is private to the goons. Why have multiple threads against a publicly released tool that as of now is allowed by CCP,when tools such as the Goons one exists?To me that sounds like double standard.
A former goon told me he was amazed people still believed beetracker was real and also look around the text, looks like it's done in paint.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9655/beetrackerth9.jpg
That,I have no ways of knowing.I am just getting info posted on forums EveMag:Download Location 2 EveMag:Download Location 3 |
Ralara
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.22 16:40:00 -
[605]
Originally by: Euriti
A former goon told me he was amazed people still believed beetracker was real and also look around the text, looks like it's done in paint.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9655/beetrackerth9.jpg
It's called "lossy compression". -- Ralara / Ralarina
I did a big poo once that wouldn't flush, so I put a carrier bag around my hand and picked it out, and put it in the green bin.
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Vincent S
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.22 16:41:00 -
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The beetracker isn't real you ******s, it's a huge troll
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Enkilil
Minmatar Carbon Moon Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.22 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Enkilil on 22/04/2008 16:43:13
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix
That,I have no ways of knowing.I am just getting info posted on forums
Then why are you still even talking?
You are aware the person with the most posts / responses doesn't 'win', right?
Honestly 21 pages and about 3 1/2 pages of actual content over this crap. Don't you have anything better to do with your life than this? ffs that's pathetic dude.
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.22 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Enkilil Edited by: Enkilil on 22/04/2008 16:43:13
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix
That,I have no ways of knowing.I am just getting info posted on forums
Then why are you still even talking?
You are aware the person with the most posts / responses doesn't 'win', right?
Honestly 21 pages and about 3 1/2 pages of actual content over this crap. Don't you have anything better to do with your life than this? ffs that's pathetic dude.
Trust me,got plenty of things to be doing. However I also believe in freedom of speech and in the freedom to use any tools and play in anyway allowed by the EULA.And I belive that no one has any business telling a pilot how to play or what tools to use.That is CCP's job and only if the EULA and ToS is broken. EveMag:Download Location 2 EveMag:Download Location 3 |
Orion Eridanus
Dark Nova Crisis Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Please do not take this as CCP approval
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Please do not take this as CCP approval
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Please do not take this as CCP approval
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Please do not take this as CCP approval
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Please do not take this as CCP approval
I'll just keep posting this until you people realize CCP has not approved this tool yet. Maybe if I do it enough you'll get it into your heads that CCP has not approved it yet and you'll stop saying CCP has approved it.
Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
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GM Grimmi
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:17:00 -
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Greetings,
The LogServer output is solely intended by CCP as information for developers to help identify and fix bugs. While BACON, and the many similar tools currently used by a large number of players, may technically not be in violation of our EULA/TOS, we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this sort of unintended use of information provided by the LogServer.
Regards,
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master |
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Willow Whisp
Sadist Faction
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings,
The LogServer output is solely intended by CCP as information for developers to help identify and fix bugs. While BACON, and the many similar tools currently used by a large number of players, may technically not be in violation of our EULA/TOS, we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this sort of unintended use of information provided by the LogServer.
Regards,
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
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Reuser
Gunfleet Logistics Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings,
The LogServer output is solely intended by CCP as information for developers to help identify and fix bugs. While BACON, and the many similar tools currently used by a large number of players, may technically not be in violation of our EULA/TOS, we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this sort of unintended use of information provided by the LogServer.
Regards,
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Glad to finally have some more CCP input on the situation!
A quick question - if CCP has known about "the many similar tools currently used by a large number of players", why has it taken the release of a tool to "level the playing field" as it were, for you to address the problem?
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Vanessa Vale
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings, we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this sort of unintended use of information provided by the LogServer.
Why.
Apparently a number of big alliances have been using similar tools for quite a while and CCP did nothing. It's only now that it's become known to the general public that you feel the need to address this?
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Lord Lycos
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings,
The LogServer output is solely intended by CCP as information for developers to help identify and fix bugs. While BACON, and the many similar tools currently used by a large number of players, may technically not be in violation of our EULA/TOS, we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this sort of unintended use of information provided by the LogServer.
Regards,
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
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FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:30:00 -
[615]
Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 22/04/2008 17:32:22 Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 22/04/2008 17:32:03
Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings,
The LogServer output is solely intended by CCP as information for developers to help identify and fix bugs. While BACON, and the many similar tools currently used by a large number of players, may technically not be in violation of our EULA/TOS, we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this sort of unintended use of information provided by the LogServer.
Regards,
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Grimmi,
Will this change also stop the many tools which look directly into the MachoNet cache folder? As the LogServer and the cache folder store the data in an almost identical format, preventing access to LogServer will just move people to look at the cache instead.
See this thread for exactly what I am talking about.
Edit: if you frown upon it's use, and intend to prevent access in the future; why not make it a breach of the EULA/TOS to use tools like this? It'd be far quicker.
Thanks, FireFoxx80
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |
Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:33:00 -
[616]
Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings,
The LogServer output is solely intended by CCP as information for developers to help identify and fix bugs. While BACON, and the many similar tools currently used by a large number of players, may technically not be in violation of our EULA/TOS, we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this sort of unintended use of information provided by the LogServer.
Regards,
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Then please oh please OUTLAW it!
Honestly, this is as close you can get a macro program! It directly interfers with game play! Its a automated program that is able to warn players based on the log servers rather then player input! It is so wrong in so many ways!
It simply breaches everything the game is all about!
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings,
The LogServer output is solely intended by CCP as information for developers to help identify and fix bugs. While BACON, and the many similar tools currently used by a large number of players, may technically not be in violation of our EULA/TOS, we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this sort of unintended use of information provided by the LogServer.
Regards,
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Thank you for your reply. Hopefully this cannot be misconstrued as CCP approval of BACON.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Orion Eridanus
Dark Nova Crisis Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:37:00 -
[618]
Nah Ki An, they'll just ignore that GM post and keep saying its CCP approved because the OP said CCP said it was approved. |
Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi The LogServer output is solely intended by CCP as information for developers to help identify and fix bugs. While BACON, and the many similar tools currently used by a large number of players, may technically not be in violation of our EULA/TOS, we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this sort of unintended use of information provided by the LogServer.
Joy! |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:39:00 -
[620]
Originally by: FireFoxx80 Edit: if you frown upon it's use, and intend to prevent access in the future; why not make it a breach of the EULA/TOS to use tools like this? It'd be far quicker.
There's no easy way for CCP to enforce such a rule, as BACON does not directly interact with the client or the server. It's not a good route to go down. |
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Dexion Slayer
Minmatar Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:41:00 -
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<3 hydra for putting this into the publics eye, thus it being stopped now by CCP. |
Cori4n
Caldari principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Orion Eridanus Nah Ki An, they'll just ignore that GM post and keep saying its CCP approved because the OP said CCP said it was approved.
The GM post specifically said it did not presently violate the EULA. Although, unfortunately, the post also said that CCP is going to break this method, it made it quite clear that for the time being BACON is (although frowned upon) allowed. |
Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cori4n The GM post specifically said it did not presently violate the EULA. Although, unfortunately, the post also said that CCP is going to break this method, it made it quite clear that for the time being BACON is (although frowned upon) allowed.
Cheaters will cling to any defense c/d?
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Cori4n
Caldari principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Cori4n The GM post specifically said it did not presently violate the EULA. Although, unfortunately, the post also said that CCP is going to break this method, it made it quite clear that for the time being BACON is (although frowned upon) allowed.
Cheaters will cling to any defense c/d?
I haven't even used the thing |
Dexion Slayer
Minmatar Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:47:00 -
[625]
C |
Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings,
The LogServer output is solely intended by CCP as information for developers to help identify and fix bugs. While BACON, and the many similar tools currently used by a large number of players, may technically not be in violation of our EULA/TOS, we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this sort of unintended use of information provided by the LogServer.
Regards,
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Thank you. You have taken the most appropriate and sensible approach to managing this issue, IMO. |
Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings,
..STUFF..
Regards,
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Faith restored. Let's hope CCP can get some effective changes in place sooner rather than later. |
Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:52:00 -
[628]
Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings,
The LogServer output is solely intended by CCP as information for developers to help identify and fix bugs. While BACON, and the many similar tools currently used by a large number of players, may technically not be in violation of our EULA/TOS, we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this sort of unintended use of information provided by the LogServer.
Regards,
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Made my day.
THANK YOU! |
Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Cori4n The GM post specifically said it did not presently violate the EULA. Although, unfortunately, the post also said that CCP is going to break this method, it made it quite clear that for the time being BACON is (although frowned upon) allowed.
Cheaters will cling to any defense c/d?
Uh, the GM said it was allowed, in that it violates no rules. They will change things such that it won't work in the future, but that doesn't change the entire not violating the EULA thing. |
Reuser
Gunfleet Logistics Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Faith restored. Let's hope CCP can get some effective changes in place sooner rather than later.
Irony, thy name is BoB.
Other than that, Any chance of getting my question answered CCP? I'm not trying to be offensive, nor am I trying to argue for BACON. Our corp is hardly a one-trick pony, and we've got quite a few other projects we're working on. We knew this was a likely outcome of releasing BACON. :)
But, I really must know... If CCP has known that large groups are using tools like this for quite some time, why has it taken the release of an open tool to force them into action?
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