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Anson Halleck
Lost Eden
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog So you can trust CCP with all sorts of personal info, like your credit card number, but your graphics card, or any other type of hardware in your computer is over the line? That makes sense.
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Ivy Axisur
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:28:00 -
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This has got to be one of the dumbest posts ever...
Keep your paranoid idiocy to yourself.
I for one am glad that the programers who some in this community constantly insult for their "bugs" are taking proactive steps to test future solfware releases on YOUR hardware config.
This will provide better support and more reliable patches.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira Why? Because their loyalty is not to me, but to their shareholders!
I believe CCP is a privately held company.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Neth'Rae
Gallente Neth's Workshop
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Neth''Rae on 12/04/2008 19:31:37
Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: Wild Rho The really daft thing is everything you've complained about in your post (and others like yours) has nothing to do with what CCP are doing, they're not collecting your personal information, they're not selling it to other companies or using it for advertising purposes.
How do you know they're not? How do you know they won't expand it in the future??
You may trust CCP enough, but some doesn't....
So if they say that they will stop collecting the gpu information - but in reality they don't.. How do you know!? And maybe they are already collecting private information.. How do you know!? Maybe they spend your subscription money on drugs instead of server upgrades.. How do you know!?
Can't you see that this is irrelevant, because if you don't trust ccp anyways then there's no end to what they might be doing... How do you know!?
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Cutie Chaser
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Neth'Rae
Maybe they spend your subscription money on drugs instead of server upgrades.. How do you know!?
With all the crap they get on these forums I hope that they spend at least some of it on drugs.
I wouldn't have their job w/o the occasional company-sponsored trip to Amsterdam for some green and maybe a kiss and a cuddle.
*** Thats a Templar, the amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers. |
Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Siresa Talesi
Originally by: Tsanse Kinske
Originally by: Siresa Talesi
Actually, most statistical analyses would rate a 10% sample of a total population as a very accurate representation, hardly "useless." This is the way data collection of things like this has been handled for decades, and it worked. Why is such a method now invalid?
It depends, but I can see how 10% sample in this case would be more misleading than beneficial because of volunteer bias.
A random non-voluntary 10% sample would be very useful though.
So, there is a connection between being willing to voluntarily respond to surveys and a tendency to purchase certain computer hardware? Because that's the only circumstances which would cause "volunteer bias" in this case.
Is it plausible that there would be a significant volunteer bias? Yes, absolutely. Would there actually be one? That's the problem. There's no way of knowing without a different sample that minimized self-selection.
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:36:00 -
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I'm actually surprised this hasn't been done since EVE began, considering they use hardware configurations to distinguish one PC using multiple IPs. But like he said, they already have the info, the only difference is whether or not to discard it or turn it into a nice pie chart.
Some people seem to forget that software is simply instructions for your hardware, and this game isn't being played on consoles with one configuration. _______________________________ http://epicwords.net/ |
Batwigg
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Batwigg on 12/04/2008 19:42:08 Oh god, the sheer amount of stupid in this thread is mind blowing.
It seems that people will start running around like headless chickens, screaming "MAH PRIVACY!!!!" for any silly excuse these days.
Honestly. If you feel that CCP is violating your PRIVACY by collecting some very basic info on your computer, then you are nuts. CCP isn't collecting any relevant information to your person whatsoever, and thus, by the very definition of the word, this is not a invasion of your PRIVACY. Take your tinfoil hats somewhere else.
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Siege
Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist I'm actually surprised this hasn't been done since EVE began, considering they use hardware configurations to distinguish one PC using multiple IPs. But like he said, they already have the info, the only difference is whether or not to discard it or turn it into a nice pie chart.
Some people seem to forget that software is simply instructions for your hardware, and this game isn't being played on consoles with one configuration.
It WAS done at least one other time that I know of, and that's when they did the statistics regarding OS useage, prior to halting support for Win98
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Luh Windan
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Batwigg this is not a invasion of your PRIVACY. Take your tinfoil hats somewhere else.
I agree - this is not an invasion of my privacy - it's an invasion of my poor computers privacy - even I don't know what it's graphics card is without looking....
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Shadow Joy
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:57:00 -
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There are lots of legitimate things to gripe at CCP about.
This isn't one of them.
Fact is they could of collected all the information they wanted without saying anything, and the majority of the player base would have never known. And I bet the portion who are savvy enough to detect it wouldn't care.
Way to take an attempt to be more open and turn it into a witch hunt.
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MT Pjar
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Posted - 2008.04.12 20:05:00 -
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For lunch specials today, we have the Fanbois Special, a delicate maduro nose served in between two hindquarters, goes well with everything and anything.
We also have the 3D Policy FricassTe, a whole live chicken prepared by forcing it into the corner and choking it till tells us what graphic card it's been using.
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Cutie Chaser
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.12 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Cutie Chaser on 12/04/2008 20:10:30
Originally by: Luh Windan
I agree - this is not an invasion of my privacy - it's an invasion of my poor computers privacy - even I don't know what it's graphics card is without looking....
Can you invade a computers privacy
I mean, how can you get consent from the computer itself? Not only that, and even if you could, is there any computer that can both play eve and is old enough to give consent? Both my boxes would be too young to enter into any legal contracts or consent to anything, except maybe in some REALLY backwards country.
Originally by: MT Pjar For lunch specials today, we have the Fanbois Special, a delicate maduro nose served in between two hindquarters, goes well with everything and anything.
We also have the 3D Policy FricassTe, a whole live chicken prepared by forcing it into the corner and choking it till tells us what graphic card it's been using.
Luckily people are here to compliment this meal with a big bowl of PARANOIA and a side order of technical-knowledge incompetence, all served up in a GIANT TINFOIL HAT.
*** Thats a Templar, the amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers. |
Feilamya
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm
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Posted - 2008.04.12 20:09:00 -
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CCP won't get my hardware details.
I know how to protect it
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No21
Malevolent Intervention Reavers.
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Posted - 2008.04.12 20:13:00 -
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Still, it would be in our interest to know what exactly they will use it for and not. Crowd Control Productions has a reputation to uphold, it would be good to answer our/the concerns if they like to keep it in good form.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.12 20:31:00 -
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I don't care if they get hardware data from me. I have nothing to hide. Maybe some of you do?...
There has to be some level of trust in anything in the world or we all would just stay curled up in a corner afraid of everything.
One of the most worthless post ever imo. Seriously, get a life.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you and... scouts, logistic ships, people to web you, alts with bonuses, not fitting nice gear, avoiding trafic hubs, etc... easy right?? |
Asuka Smith
Gallente StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.04.12 20:53:00 -
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This thread is why Dev's have stopped posting. Prism, thanks for braving the pack of wolves.
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Siresa Talesi
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.04.12 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: John Bishop honestly you naysayers are idiots. and this is a trust issue???? you give them credit card details,,, have they misused that trust??? i mean of all the things you could be worried about them knowing,,,,
i hope you pull your heads out of your collective asses before you suffocate.
Idiocy is being willfully ignorant and intentionally naieve.
Yes, I give them credit card details. If they were to abuse this information, it would quickly show up on my billing statement and I would be able to dispute it and trace the perpetrator. There are sa***uards in place.
Taking credit card details in combination with hardware data is a powerful and valuable tool to hardware marketers. Anyone who doesn't recognize this knows nothing about marketing. Because of this, it is considered good faith and standard ethical practice for companies wanting this information for legitimate purposes to request consent to gather it and use it as well as to issue written (i.e. legal) statements to their customers detailing what the information will and will not be used for. This provides a legal sa***uard for the customers, as if the information is misused, they will have cause for recourse.
CCP has issued no such statements, and as such no sa***uards in place. We are not expected to take it on their word that there will be no abuse, as no such word has been given. We are left only to rely on pure trust without anything on the part of CCP to solidify that trust. Remember that this is coming from a company that in recent past has had a number of abuse scandals from within, which were dealt with rather weakly. Even if CCP as a company would not abuse the information, there is little guarantee against abuse by individual employees.
The fact is that while the software can query the hardware information, there is no reason for the information to go beyond the client-side software without the consent of the user. In a questionable move, CCP has decided to catalog such information without the permission of their customers, or the assurance that it will not be abused. "Space is filled with countless hours of boredom...punctuated by moments of abject terror." - Capn. James T. Kirk, Starfleet Academy |
Siresa Talesi
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.04.12 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: Siresa Talesi on 12/04/2008 21:05:12
Originally by: Blue Binary
Dear Miss Neurosis,
If you live in Europe you are protected by The Privacy and Electronic Communications (EC Directive) Regulations, 2003. It states you have to be given the option of an "opt-out" in any marketing material sent to you.
Under UK law (Data Protection Act 1998), you have to tell the individual what you are doing with the information you are collecting. You can put in writing if you object to receiving any direct marketing material.
Iceland also has privacy laws, but i don't understand Icelandic to read the details.
I'm not sure if CCP fall under the duristiction of UK law. They have premises (servers) located in London, so they must operate under UK law as well as Icelandic law?
Anyway, as others have pointed out if you really object to it, then simply quit Eve. Or consult a lawyer...
Personally, i think your making mountains.
Expecting standard customer legal protection makes me neurotic? Hmm, hyperbole and insults in the same post, how nice.
You base all your statements on one assumption. I do not live in any part of Europe, therefore the rest of your post is worthless to me.
Have I made mountains out of this? Not my intention, I've only been attempting to point out why CCP's actions in this case could be construed as less than trustworthy, especially in the shadow of previous events. I think the statements of others characterizing anyone who takes issue with this as either mentally unstable or unintelligent (see John Bishop above) have done much more to overinflate the issue.
All I seek is the same standard courtesy that a reputable, trustworthy company would give its customers. The fact that CCP has not done so, whether intentionally or just because they didn't even consider it, is frankly damaging to their customer relations. I will state it for the fourth time now: I personally would have no problem giving this information to CCP were it asked of me. The very act of the request is a show of good faith. The fact is that this situation could have been good PR for CCP if it had been handled correctly, but they botched it. If you cannot see why some would find such actions insulting at the least, and dishonest at the worst, then I can only conclude that you ignore it willfully out of either stuborness or stupidity. "Space is filled with countless hours of boredom...punctuated by moments of abject terror." - Capn. James T. Kirk, Starfleet Academy |
Mikhail Koshkin
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Posted - 2008.04.12 21:21:00 -
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It's easy to see why CCP doesn't want to ask people to answer the bloody question.
When you go to a website and something pops up asking you to participate in a short survey for QA purposes... now be honest... how many people click NO or just close the window?
Pretty close to All, I'd say.
Now, how would this idea work while starting up a game with rabidly devoted players, like, say, EVE?
'Hmmm... Nope, gimme the login screen. LOGIN. DAMNIT. -clickclickclickclick-
It just won't work. Even if people here say they'd willingly participate if given the option, I bet they wouldn't. I don't care if CCP knows what GPU I'm using. Hell, I'll tell them right here. I have a GeForce 8500GT on my PC and Intel GMA950 on my Mac. Look, I've just told everyone. Someone do something bad to me.
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Captain Agemman
Minmatar Legio Ultra
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Posted - 2008.04.12 21:27:00 -
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Guys, if you don't want your PC to send out informations, please disconnect it from the internet now. Thank you.
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Thorradin
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.12 21:28:00 -
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Someone wake me up, I'm having a dream where people are flaming a company for using readily available information to improve the game for its players.
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Neth'Rae
Gallente Neth's Workshop
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Posted - 2008.04.12 21:54:00 -
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Seriously, Haven't any of you ever applied for a MMO-Beta test where you had to send your dxdiag.txt?
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.04.12 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Thorradin Someone wake me up, I'm having a dream where people are flaming a company for using readily available information to improve the game for its players.
Can't you see it? They flame at CCP because making things better would rob them of things to flame about. Now that I typed it, everything makes SO much more sense. -------- Ideas for: Mining Clouds
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Rshu Jhorlk
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Posted - 2008.04.12 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Thorradin Someone wake me up, I'm having a dream where people are flaming a company for using readily available information to improve the game for its players.
*makes note that you apparently have a keyboard attached to your computer*
Forums: ... RABBLE! Rabblerabblerabblerabblerabblerabblerabble!!!
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Cyriel Longinus
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.04.12 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Thorradin Someone wake me up, I'm having a dream where people are flaming a company for using readily available information to improve the game for its players.
Yea man. It's r3tard3d.
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Lt Angus
Caldari Wicked Crew
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Posted - 2008.04.12 22:12:00 -
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I miss the good old day when you had to know what you were doing to use the interweb, seems they let anyone on these days |
J Valkor
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.04.12 22:20:00 -
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Oh Goons. Keep trolling EVE to try and destroy it with stupid paranoid **** like this.
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The Belgian
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Posted - 2008.04.12 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X Edited by: CCP Prism X on 12/04/2008 13:31:48 Why would we do it the Valve way when we can do it the CCP way?
And I want to really emphasize that we're not releasing a patch which allows us to snatch this information. This information is already exposed by your operating system for good reasons (well not so good reasons to some people). We're just logging it now for information purposes rather than just discarding it.
Also, posting in a Jenny thread.
It does not really matter. There's only 3 main types of graphics cards available. Those based on ATI, Nvidia or Intel GPU's. Since there's a lot more to graphic performance besides just the type of card, it's not going to do much for you as far as future improvements go.
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Ashlee Darksky
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Posted - 2008.04.12 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Souisa This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.
Regards, The EVE Online Moderation team
Originally by: Souisa This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.
Regards, The EVE Online Moderation team
Hahahahaha! ROFL! Pwned, twice!!
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