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evereplicant
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Posted - 2012.02.21 10:53:00 -
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Quote:IGÇÖm the only GSF candidate this time; Vile Rat is sick of Iceland. WeGÇÖre going to need a metric fuckload of votes to secure the Chairmanship and GÇô ideally GÇô an indisputable mandate. IGÇÖd like to see us be able to c&p a ridiculous vote total as a one-line reply to every shitbird eve-o poster whining about us for the next year.
WeGÇÖre not going to **** with this election cycle by vilifying a particular candidate like we did last year with Trebor; feel free to **** up Jita Park freely and spread it around evenly. Most of the CSM6 vets besides Darius 3 are solid people we and CCP can work with; a lot of the newcomers aiming for a CSM7 seat are borderline ********
WeGÇÖre going to be paying out isk to artists for ~excellent~ campaign posters; each solid poster will net the artist 500m. This does not mean you can poop on a page and get money, weGÇÖre talking Stalhregen-level propaganda. If you have something good, post it in this thread.
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lol are you are so special too... but no alot think you are ******** too.. But with the goons numbers and dodgy election mechanics, im sure you will be sat with your ******** CSM members and you will get on just fine.
(and these are the idiots we have on the CSM )
really r3tarded is a blocked word? now that is r3tarded |
evereplicant
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Posted - 2012.02.21 11:07:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Look at this bitter master spy thinking they have some sort of massive scoop on another CFC conspiracy.
errr no not really its freely available infor on en24 - smartass
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evereplicant
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Posted - 2012.02.21 11:11:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:***** is censored too, but Vagina isn't.
is *****? damn it, pen1s is censored thats err sexist! |
evereplicant
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Posted - 2012.02.21 11:25:00 -
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Haha I love posting stuff like this. Its like a wind up toy, wind it up and let it go and see what chaos it can cause.
its funny how quickly people post utter crap, in some sort of defense mechanism, all i am achieving is satisifying my own humour in seeing actually how many idiots really play eve. |
evereplicant
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Posted - 2012.02.21 11:27:00 -
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Dsan89 wrote:You are an idiot. http://www.r-word.org/Your mom should have brought you up better, stop using so foul language you moron. Monkies throw ***** because thats how developed their brains are, you should be above that level. Your honest message is lost when you have to use idiot-language - so close your mouth you mouth breathing monkey.
this is exactly what i mean... why would someone post something like this, and be so angry? over a little post.. You certainly have RL issues...
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evereplicant
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Posted - 2012.02.21 11:28:00 -
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Razzor Death wrote:evereplicant wrote:Haha I love posting stuff like this. Its like a wind up toy, wind it up and let it go and see what chaos it can cause.
its funny how quickly people post utter crap, in some sort of defense mechanism, all i am achieving is satisifying my own humour in seeing actually how many idiots really play eve. Ahh yes the everyone's calling me a ****** master troll defence, please tell us more.
oh heres another one... keep them coming...
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evereplicant
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Posted - 2012.02.21 11:36:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Confirming that asking people to vote is "vote rigging"
Ah Malcanis, you actually trolled here quicker than i thought you would...congrats.. |
evereplicant
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Posted - 2012.02.21 11:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Malcanis wrote:Confirming that asking people to vote is "vote rigging" But, but, butGǪ GǣcampaigningGǥ is a long word and hard to spell, and GǣriggingGǥ is already a part of the EVE vocabulary!
Ah Tippia, you actually trolled here quicker than i thought you would...congrats.. Well actually you are a bit slower then usual..
(see there is a pattern of trolls emerging, now where Drake and the others) |
evereplicant
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Posted - 2012.02.21 12:03:00 -
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but there is no campaign is there? its a complete certainty.. This is the problem, alliance leaders of large alliances pretty much guaranteed to have a pass straight into the CSM. I am not sure having your own alliance members voting for you really isnt democratic is it? and please dont quote the, well other people voted (yes goon alts) I am not sure what the solution is, because of alts etc but its a bit 'rigged' no matter how you want to spin it
This is my personal view..whether you like it or not, you may have another view and well thats your view also. |
evereplicant
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Posted - 2012.02.21 12:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote:evereplicant wrote:Ah Tippia, you actually trolled here quicker than i thought you would...congrats.. Well actually you are a bit slower then usual.. For one, I don't troll GÇö if I did, you'd noticeGǪ. For another, it's hard to be quicker to troll a thread than the OP, so your surprise is quite surprising. GǪthe point remains though. The only sensible reason I can think of for calling it GÇ£vote riggingGÇ¥ is because you think words like GÇ£campaigningGÇ¥ are too long and difficult. vOv
So you are saying having YOUR OWN alliance voting for you in hundreds is not vote rigging? because it is.. There is no campaigning needed... its a guaranteed win
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evereplicant
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Posted - 2012.02.21 12:10:00 -
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Please have a read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fraud
but things to point out
Quote:Although technically the term 'electoral fraud' covers only those acts which are illegal, the term is sometimes used to describe acts which are legal but nevertheless considered morally unacceptable, outside the spirit of electoral laws, or in violation of the principles of democracy. Show elections, in which only one candidate can win, are sometimes considered to be electoral fraud, although they may comply with the law.
Now this aint one candidate however this is a guaranteed win..
Also look at 'Manipulation of Demography' and 'Vote Buying'
This is pretty much how the goon vote will go...
Just Saying
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evereplicant
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Posted - 2012.02.21 12:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:evereplicant wrote:So you are saying having YOUR OWN alliance voting for you in hundreds is not vote rigging? Let's seeGǪ Electorate manipulation? No. Gerrymandering? No. Manipulation of demography? No. Disenfranchisement? No. Intimidation? Maybe, but it doesn't seem like it, and in particular, it doesn't seem to be needed. Vote buying? Again, maybe, but doesn't seem necessary. Misinformation? Definitely not GÇö he's quite clear about what's going on. Ballot stuffing? Actually, I've heard this was done, but it has nothing to do with having your own alliance voting for youGǪ Misrecording of votes? Nope. Misuse of proxy votes? No. Destruction or invalidation of ballots? No. So no, no rigging. What he's doing is simply telling his electorate to vote (presumably for him). It's no different than the party leader telling the party to vote for the party and/or its candidate. Having a party is not vote rigging GÇö it's political organisation, which is not just legal but often actively and even strongly encouraged in most systems.
Tippia shut up seriously to talk the must utter shite i have ever heard... A persons party would NEVER EVER have enough votes to influence an outcome, seriously think about what you are saying! Stop trying to compare this to a countries election system
Let say in the UK we have 60 million people, say just for arguments sake 30 mill can vote, a party has at most mps are what about 500, lets say they add their friends and family so lets knock this up thats 1500 people out of 30 million!
Goons have 7000 people plus alts and friends so lets do the same x3 21000 people potential out of 100,000 that will possibly vote, (which it wont be anywhere near) thats a MASSIVE advantage, and remember you are voting for a few candidates for CSM. So the number of votes pretty much guarantee a place in the CSM, even if only 7000 of them said yes..
And you are saying no to manipulation of demography - are you totally stupid?
Stop for one minute and think of this in eve terms not bloody RL politics.
Goons offer all their members a home, a place to live, protection, rewards blah blah i think that pretty much covers that... Now if these voters where not part of goons and not given all this would they still vote? of course not.. |
evereplicant
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Posted - 2012.02.21 12:24:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:evereplicant wrote:but there is no campaign is there? its a complete certainty.. This is the problem, alliance leaders of large alliances pretty much guaranteed to have a pass straight into the CSM. I am not sure having your own alliance members voting for you really isnt democratic is it? and please dont quote the, well other people voted (yes goon alts) I am not sure what the solution is, because of alts etc but its a bit 'rigged' no matter how you want to spin it
This is my personal view..whether you like it or not, you may have another view and well thats your view also. It's not a problem that large alliances get organized and back their chosen candidates. That's how the democratic election process works. A candidate campaigns effectively with his base and organizes them to get the vote out and spread the word. The problem here is the other idiots that whine that the CSM doesn't work and that it doesn't represent them and they do their best to get others not to vote. Not voting just makes it that much easier for the organized alliances to get their candidate in. If you took the time you're wasting here whining about unfairness and instead spent it backing your chosen candidate and spreading the word to others about him/her, you'd actually be accomplishing something. Instead you're just wasting your time arguing how unfair things are because someone else put in *effort* and you haven't.
No this is not how democracy works, MPS dont have any attachment to a massive group of voters in RL. Stop talking rubbish...
Does your MP come around to your house have a drink? Do you go out and party with him, Do you go drive your car together? are you best buddies? Does he give you a back hander for some votes? Does he give you any type of replacement program?
Of course he doesnt, but i bet if he did you would vote for him..wouldnt you... but if this was RL then that would be err classed as vote rigging or manipulating votes now would it..
you cannot compare real life politics and elections to a bloody space game.. its totally totally different, especially morally
There is no organisation or campaining need at all, these are guaranteed votes.. please shut up |
evereplicant
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Posted - 2012.02.21 12:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:evereplicant wrote:A persons party would NEVER EVER have enough votes to influence an outcome, seriously think about what you are saying! EhGǪ you mean aside from that happening pretty much everywhere all the time? You're making less and less sense here GÇö the entire purpose of parties is to collect votes and to advocate voting for the party and its leaders. GÇ£Having enough votes to influence the outcomeGÇ¥ is what parties are for. Quote:Stop trying to compare this to a countries election system I'm not. Why are you? You are confusing party representatives with party membership. But sure, if you want to go with real-world comparisons, it's like the Democratic party leadership telling democrats to vote democratGǪ and guess what? Every now and then when they try that, they have enough votes to influence the outcome. Oh, and guess what else? Just because you tell them to doesn't mean they will GÇö that alone disqualifies it from being vote rigging. Quote:And you are saying no to manipulation of demography - are you totally stupid? Are you illiterate? GÇ£In many cases it is possible for authorities to artificially control the composition of an electorate in order to produce a foregone result. One way of doing this is to move a large number of voters into the electorate prior to an election, for example by temporarily assigning them land or lodging them in flophouses.GÇ¥ GÇ£Another strategy is to permanently move people into an electorate, usually through public housing.GÇ¥ GÇ£Immigration law may also be used to manipulate electoral demography.GÇ¥ GÇ£A method of manipulating primary contests and other elections of party leaders is related to this. People who support one party may temporarily join another party in order to help elect a weak candidate for that party's leadership, in the hope that they will be defeated by the leader of the party that they secretly support.GÇ¥ These are the strategies listed for manipulation of demography. There is just one problem: there is only one electorate in EVE GÇö it is GÇ£all of EVEGÇ¥. You can't move people in or out of it to alter the results of what the electorate will vote for. Alliance or not, it's simply not applicable (although many people saying the CSM process is broken are advocating a system that would allow the goons to do this). The tactic of false-flag voting a weak opponent doesn't work either because it's not an oppositional system GÇö it's a vote for a body of people. You could argue that registering tons of newbie accounts could be seen as a version of this, but it's actually more a case of ballot stuffingGǪ and having an alliance makes no difference. So no, manipulation of demography is out of the question by default since there is no demographic division to manipulate.
Again but this is terms of EVE not the real world... Jeez you are dumb |
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