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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.03.06 10:58:00 -
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"Govern" comes from the Latin word "gubernare" and/or the Greek "kubernan" which means "To control".
"ment" comes from the Greek word "mente" meaning "mind"
All told the word "Government" literally means "Mind Control".
A New World Order (Novus Ordo Mundi) refers to a plan in which a powerful and secretive group is to be conspiring to eventually rule the world via an autonomous world government, which would replace sovereign states and other checks and balances in world power struggles. In the new world order, many significant occurrences are caused by a powerful secret group. Historical and current events are seen as steps in an on-going plot to rule the world primarily through a combination of political finance, social engineering, mind control, and fear-based propaganda (Terrorism).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy)
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.06 11:06:00 -
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That Etymology is worse than Politics:
Poli, from Poly - Many
Tics, as in - blood sucking parasites.
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Kyrall
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 11:16:00 -
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The google-fu is weak with this one...
For those that can't even be bothered to click a link (hint to OP, people ARE that lazy, so not bothering to linkify is a silly mistake, but in your case I don't mind) it actually came from a word meaning "to steer", and the -ment ending is just to make a noun from verb stems.
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 Originally by: Sephra Star
I know beyond any reasonable doubt that my pot of stew is finally warm.
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.03.06 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 06/03/2008 12:04:31
Originally by: Kyrall
Originally by: Sephra Star
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I know beyond any reasonable doubt that my pot of stew is finally warm.
Warm is just right.
Ever read Goldylocks and the three bears?
If it was too hot I would likely not be allowed to live long enough to eat it.
Too bad the vast majority of the world is eating their stew cold.
GOVERN:As in STEER/PILOT/RUDDER ie to CONTROL the direction of a ship/boat.
-ment(English Etymology) From the Late Latin -mentum
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-ment
But just to reiterate, I will admit "government" does NOT mean "mind control" in any etymological sense.
The suffix "-ment" is derived from the latin mentum, which was merely a utility suffix for making a verb into a noun.
The "ment" you see in "mental" comes from the latin mens (and Late Latin mentalis) which does in fact mean "mind" but which is never used as a suffix.
In any event as an old school Mental Alchemist; an adept of the Hermetic Science I also know that there are no such things as accidents, or coincedences in the Cosmos. The reality is that the the -ment in Government for the purpose on this planet at this time does in fact mean mind.
If you could comprehend and learn the true nature of schizophrenia as I do then you too would be able to understand that accidents and coincedences are actually directed through the Cosmic Control Center by E.C.C.O.
"There exists a Cosmic Control Center (C.C.C.) with a Galactic substation called Galactic Coincidence Control (G.C.C.). Within which is the Solar System Control Unit (S.S.C.U.), within which is the Earth Coincidence Control Office (E.C.C.O.). The assignments of responsiblities from the top to the bottom of this system of control is by a set of regulations, which translated by E.C.C.O. for humans is somewhat as follows:"
http://67.55.50.201/lilly/eccox.html
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Kyrall
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sephra Star
If you could comprehend and learn the true nature of schizophrenia as I do then you too would be able to understand that accidents and coincedences are actually directed through the Cosmic Control Center by E.C.C.O.
This is getting better by the day!
Keep it up mate, you are making my day much more entertaining! 
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Originally by: Sephra Star
I know beyond any reasonable doubt that my pot of stew is finally warm.
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.03.06 12:20:00 -
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Never let be said that this Dolphin does not have a sense of humour.
Can you think of a better way to get people to listen than to make it entertaining.
Even if you don't take the warnings serious right now our hope is that your awareness as modified by these crazy sounding rantings will help to make what is really happening to planet Earth visable to you in time for you to GOVERN yourselves away from the titanic iceburg you are all navigating towards.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.06 12:57:00 -
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Let's assume for a moment that this "New World Order" thing would be indeed true.
Now, would it be a BAD thing ?
If I had the power to do something, I'd only HELP it come to fruition rather than stop it.
People in general are pretty stupid, and they'd deserve nothing more than a bit of mind-control.
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Miss Anthropy
The Greater Goon
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Let's assume for a moment that this "New World Order" thing would be indeed true.
Now, would it be a BAD thing ?
If I had the power to do something, I'd only HELP it come to fruition rather than stop it.
People in general are pretty stupid, and they'd deserve nothing more than a bit of mind-control.
You're a fool. Really. Read again what you just wrote and then beat yourself to death for the betterment of mankind.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:09:00 -
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What, I'd make a good mad dictator ? Why, thank you !
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Let's assume for a moment that this "New World Order" thing would be indeed true. Now, would it be a BAD thing ? If I had the power to do something, I'd only HELP it come to fruition rather than stop it. People in general are pretty stupid, and they'd deserve nothing more than a bit of mind-control.
http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=1509&aid=
Notice the clearly visible VAMPIRIC FANGS.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5365.htm
Originally by: Rosa Rosette
get used to it, we are all just well educated animals who would kill any day to have a better lot in life!
Which is exactly what this New World Order Government has made plans to do to the vast majority of us in order to depopulate the planet.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sephra Star
get used to it, we are all just well educated animals who would kill any day to have a better lot in life!
Which is exactly what this New World Order Government has made plans to do to the vast majority of us in order to depopulate the planet.
This is all old news.
Read up on Machiavelli's philosophies and get back to us if you've got something new.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 06/03/2008 15:37:49
Originally by: Sephra Star
in order to depopulate the planet
We're overcrowded and killing the environment anyway, and show no signs of slowing down nor stopping.
We can either spread out to other worlds (hmm, guess we don't have the necessary technology yet), or we can drastically reduce the world population until we can do that (spread out).
The alternative is death through "starvation" (both actual food and general natural resources... we simply can't sustain such numbers from 100% renewable resources only).
I'd nuke 90% of the world population out of existance if it wouldn't cause such an environmental mess.
A nice deadly disease outbreak would do the trick too, I guess, but keeping it from killing most of the rest would be tricky.
Wars would be a nice choice... we don't have nearly enough of them to do enough damage though, we should get more... any reason to wage war is just as good as any other, I guess, so we might just do it for no reason whatsoever too.
We are on the top of the food chain, but with direct ties to just about EVERY possible level of the food chain, so if one component breaks down, we don't... we'll only collapse when the whole ecosystem is almost completely and irreversably damaged.
Between the 99++% death of the human race as a whole in a not-so-distant future, or the death of 90-95% of living humans on the planet in an even less distant future, I'd pick the latter any time of the day.
What would you pick ?
And no, you can't "save everybody". Sorry.
The gentlest possible way would be some disease that causes high infertility rates for a generation, maybe two... or some "can't have more than one kid or you'll die" disease for a few generations more.
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What's the worst it can happend anyway ?
The end of human society ?
End of human life ?
We're heading that way anyway, might as well speed up the process if there's any chance of recovery.
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
And no, you can't "save everybody". Sorry.
The gentlest possible way would be some disease that causes high infertility rates for a generation, maybe two... or some "can't have more than one kid or you'll die" disease for a few generations more.
Mandatory worldwide visectomy of all new born males would do the trick. Not that much different than a circumcision.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 06/03/2008 15:55:21
Originally by: Sephra Star
Mandatory worldwide visectomy of all new born males would do the trick. Not that much different than a circumcision.
That would be "extinction", not population control.
Although vasectomies aren't 100% fool-proof for regular sex, so you might not see a complete extinction.
And if some couple would want to get a baby, they could still do that quite easily, it's not like it's impossible to collect sperm from a vasectomised male, or that artificial fertilisation would be impossible (even with primitive tools, it would still be possible).
People by nature are both altruistic and selfish to some degree.
Altruism helped us survive as a race, selfishness made our ancestors get born instead of somebody else.
You can't have 100% altruist people in a "normal" population, and you can't have 100% selfish people in a population, or you doom the race... a mix of both is required.
As such, you could never convince mankind as a WHOLE that this would be necessary.
Would YOU not have kids because you're told you're either not good enough to, or that you failed the "can have kids" lottery ?
If you probably would, do you think some lower-class guy that comes from a family of 8 and works in the docks as an unloader would ?
As time progressed and we, as a race, became more and more "dominant", the importance of the "altruist" factor diminished and the importance of the "selfish" factor grew out of proportion. More and more people (as a percentage) are increasingly selfish and self-absorbed, less and less truly "helpfull" people (as a genetic predisposition) come into being.
Our own superiority is causing our own deterioration.
You have to FORCE people to do what's good for humankind, preferably without their knowledge so they can't protest or get funny ideas, even if it's bad for them.
Originally by: Sephra Star
The ones controling this New World Order are PURE EVIL.
They revel in causing death, destruction, pain, and suffering.
Ok, this particular accusation is completely different, and has absolutely nothing to do with what we talked about so far (or at least with what I talked about, anyway).
Now, how can you even begin to prove THAT one ?
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Sheepactivator
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:57:00 -
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It is written in stone that the pupulation of earth never to rise above 150 milion.
In war your job is to kill and die and if you are lucky you survive, if you are very lucky you only receive mild trauma.
There is still time. Web has not been taken from us yet. They are hard at work tho.
And no the world richest person is not the one they quote in the news. Far from it.
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Ok, this particular accusation is completely different, and has absolutely nothing to do with what we talked about so far (or at least with what I talked about, anyway).
Now, how can you even begin to prove THAT one ?
Do you by any chance live in a BUBBLE?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.06 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 06/03/2008 16:04:49
Originally by: Sephra Star
]Do you by any chance live in a BUBBLE?
Nope. I'm merely saying that even the purest intentions, dripped down through long command chains, down to inept and cruel "agents" that act on those orders (which might be just harsh, but necessary in order to "save" something) can appear to an outside observer as evil and perverted.
I am asking you to prove it's not that, but malicious intent.
And I gave you the "amputation" example in the edit which you missed.
Originally by: Sephra Star
The right to bear new children can be done by lottery
Like I said...
Quote:
Would YOU not have kids because you're told you're either not good enough to, or that you failed the "can have kids" lottery ?
If you probably would, do you think some lower-class guy that comes from a family of 8 and works in the docks as an unloader would ?
That about covers it.
Heck, I would LOVE a law that says you have to have a permit to have kids.
Just like the Chinese did.
Think it would work in the USA ?
I really doubt that.
What about Africa ?
I doubt it even more.
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.03.06 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 06/03/2008 16:12:18
Edited by: Sephra Star on 06/03/2008 16:11:36
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 06/03/2008 16:02:36
Originally by: Sephra Star
]Do you by any chance live in a BUBBLE?
Nope. I'm merely saying that even the purest intentions, dripped down through long command chains, down to inept and cruel "agents" that act on those orders (which might be just harsh, but necessary in order to "save" something) can appear to an outside observer as evil and perverted.
I am asking you to prove it's not that, but malicious intent.
And I gave you the "amputation" example in the edit which you missed.
Originally by: Sephra Star
The right to bear new children can be done by lottery
Like I said...
Quote:
Would YOU not have kids because you're told you're either not good enough to, or that you failed the "can have kids" lottery ?
If you probably would, do you think some lower-class guy that comes from a family of 8 and works in the docks as an unloader would ?
That about covers it.
They are evil; pure, plain, and simple. They have prooven themselves so for generations.
They are self serving power mongers who care only for their own survival and regard the vast majority of other people as inferior cattle.
I would actually prefer the human race to become completely extinct than to see such monsters inherit the earth and repopulate with it with more of their kind.
Unfortunately for all humanity that is exactly what will happen. You see I happen to know for certain that somehow what they are planning to do is going to back fire with uncontrollable results.
A mild form of visectomy with proper research can be performed at birth.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.06 16:12:00 -
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Translation, knowing about it won't help, there's nothing you can do about, they're too powerfull to stop, and anybody who could have a chance to stop them is in league with them.
So why bother ?
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.03.06 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Translation, knowing about it won't help, there's nothing you can do about, they're too powerfull to stop, and anybody who could have a chance to stop them is in league with them.
So why bother ?
Because its my job.
I was not joking about E.C.C.O.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.06 16:25:00 -
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I'm not joking either... whatever comes, comes as a direct result of how we are (or rather said, have become).
If it's all true, and if it's all going to backfire horribly, well, that was it.
Maybe some other animal that doesn't even exist yet will do better as a sentient species.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.03.06 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Maybe some other animal that doesn't even exist yet will do better as a sentient species.
My money is on the bees.
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.03.06 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 06/03/2008 16:30:29
Originally by: Akita T
I'm not joking either... whatever comes, comes as a direct result of how we are (or rather said, have become).
If it's all true, and if it's all going to backfire horribly, well, that was it.
Maybe some other animal that doesn't even exist yet will do better as a sentient species.
Thats the worst part of all of it and the only reason E.C.C.O. bothered intervening at all.
It is in fact the other more intelligent life forms on the planet who asked E.C.C.O. to interfer in human affairs to try and prevent what is going to happen.
What happens to humans happens to all life on the planet and that will cause ripples all across the Cosmos.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.06 16:35:00 -
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So, other than "being rational and not surprised by anything" (which I tend to be constantly anyway), what else is there to do ?
Pretty much nothing, it seems.
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.03.06 16:37:00 -
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I haven't been this amused since I found a DvD rewinder 
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.03.06 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Akita T
Maybe some other animal that doesn't even exist yet will do better as a sentient species.
My money is on the bees.
It is interesting you said that. The human species has been through this phase of evolution we are at numerous times before.
Each time it has gotten to a point of intolarability for nature to put up with a new species of insect was born of the human race.
The Honey Bees were the ones that came the closest of all other sentient civilizations to avoiding the final catastrophe.
E.C.C.O. is offering this civilization one last chance to avoid the same fate. That is why some humans like myself who have agreed to their terms are being allowed to communicate with you.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.03.06 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sephra Star
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Akita T
Maybe some other animal that doesn't even exist yet will do better as a sentient species.
My money is on the bees.
It is interesting you said that. The human species has been through this phase of evolution we are at numerous times before.
Each time it has gotten to a point of intolarability for nature to put up with a new species of insect was born of the human race.
The Honey Bees were the ones that came the closest of all other sentient civilizations to avoiding the final catastrophe.
Huh?
To my knowledge the human species only evolved once and did not reach some "point" of evolution only to be undone and start again.
Second we were never insects except perhaps at some amazingly distant point on the very, very early evolutionary ladder where we may have had a common ancestor (like something just past an amoeba).
Third, humans never evolved anything like bee society. At least I have never heard of humans possessing a hive mind and hive society.
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.03.06 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 06/03/2008 16:59:56
It is not surprising at all that you never heard of it.
Think of planet earth as a Black Board in a class room, or a laboratory if you prefer.
If the experiment fails the black board gets erased yet again and the whole process restarts with no trace of what existed before except for one more new species of insect who ends up with the seemingly eternal punishment of being stepped upon by the next group of sentients who end up becoming insects too if they fail.
The cycle will go on for eternity until the experiment succeeds in creating a sentient species to populate the stars.
That is in essence how the Cosmos grows.
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benzss
Twisted Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 17:03:00 -
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The etymology is fairly irrelevant anyway. 'Govern' has its own meaning in English, and from that meaning we derive our word 'government'. For all intents and purposes, the roots of the word are not particularly important.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.03.06 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sephra Star
If the experiment fails the black board gets erased yet again and the whole process restarts with no trace of what existed before except for one more new species of insect who ends up with the seemingly eternal punishment of being stepped upon by the next group of sentients who end up becoming insects too if they fail.
Ahh! Convenient. Absolutely zero proof or any data for that matter to back up your assertion and all the data that does exist is apparently some massive scam to hoodwink the populace.
Sign me up. 
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