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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.02.13 09:59:00 -
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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 13/02/2008 10:05:10
Originally by: GeraldRatner Read the 2nd or 3rd post of his original ipo where La Vista calls him a scammer.
Actually, the very first thing i did, was to get Kyrial's API. And i clearly stated that i saw nothing which assembled a scammer.
And i dont remember calling Kyrial a scammer outright at that point. Later, when he went mad, it certainly have crossed my mind that he might. But unless you can prove that i actually stated he was a scammer directly, i think your mistaken. But i could be mistaken too.
If i did suggest he was a scammer, it was an, at best, baseless assumption, for which im sorry :)
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.02.13 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: Treelox on 13/02/2008 10:04:25 /me sighs
IMO the only people with EBANK sigs who should be posting in this thread are Hexxx, SencneS and Shar, the others need muzzles, since all they keep doing is feeding trolls or sticking their feet in their mouths.
Or your welcome to continue posting and lowering the publics regard for the institution as a whole, your choice.
-edit
had to add SencneS to the list. --
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.02.13 10:12:00 -
[63]
Originally by: GeraldRatner
You said you had a run on the bank What you DIDNT say is WHY you had a run on the bank The assumption that it wasnt necessary to mention why you had a run on the bank was because everybody already knew is a little disingenuous to say the least Listen Hexxx. Ricdic screwed up and as a consequence you are having to ask for 50billion off of joe public. The idea that you can quietly push this through without any in depth discussion of how all this came about is just dumb.
Based on the numbers I was quoted the "run on the bank" was not that substantial of an amount, only 8B. That may be an unusually high amount of withdrawals for Ebank but it only represents a tiny portion of the cash they have on reserve and the cash they usually loan. Most of that 50B they're requesting is to facilitate further loaning, not to cover their current accounts so they are not asking for money because Ricdic screwed up, they're asking for money so they can operate like a Bank and issue loans. By the way, I'm in a good position to know because I was told my 5B loan request was dependent on them being able to raise more capital, aka. this bond. They could have avoided mentioning the run on the bank entirely but they're completely forth right even if it gives ammunition to trolls.
I stand by my earlier, edited, comments that anyone believing Ebank is a scam at this juncture is of particularly limited mental abilities and or taking an untenable position purely to troll, which I consider one in the same. If the persons running Ebank wanted to scam several of them have the reputation such that they could issue IPO's in excess of a 100B and between them hit a tillion in capital in addition to that stored within Ebank. To suggest that a number of highly respected members of this board would collude and loose their reputations to scam 50B is quite simply idiotic.
By the way, post with your main! Alt trolling is about as lame as it gets.
Mitnal: if you have a problem with that statement you might as well just ban me as there's no point posting here anymore when blatant trolling is left untouched and my denunciation of it is edited away. My response may have been harsh but at least it was based in reason, unlike the trolling you left behind. At least CCP Saint bothered to lock yesterday's "lets troll Ebank" thread....
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Jackie Fisher
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Posted - 2008.02.13 10:29:00 -
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To paraphrase the guy my character is named after - Never pick a fight with a chimney sweep. Even if you win you get covered in muck.
Anyway on the original purpose of this thread I'll take 1 bond. Will transfer the ISK to Ebank account with in the next 12 hours.
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Roguehalo
Caldari RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2008.02.13 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista Edited by: LaVista Vista on 13/02/2008 10:05:10
Originally by: GeraldRatner Read the 2nd or 3rd post of his original ipo where La Vista calls him a scammer.
Actually, the very first thing i did, was to get Kyrial's API. And i clearly stated that i saw nothing which assembled a scammer.
And i dont remember calling Kyrial a scammer outright at that point. Later, when he went mad, it certainly have crossed my mind that he might. But unless you can prove that i actually stated he was a scammer directly, i think your mistaken. But i could be mistaken too.
If i did suggest he was a scammer, it was an, at best, baseless assumption, for which im sorry :)
ok heres some quotes from Kyrials original IPO
from La Vista :-
"The totally stupid high return rate, packed into a week format rather than month, makes me think its a scam."
from La Vista :-
"Unless you will allow someone to audit your API key, i wouldnt get my hopes high."
from Kyrial :-
"If someone would clarify on the nature of this auditing I will definitely be interested."
from La Vista :-
"Also, i got the limited key from Kyrial. There was no amount of isk or skills to speak of on the character. And there was no alts to speak of either, other than the one that posted here."
"His skills were nothing to speak of. No implants as far as i remember, and it certainly didnt seem like someone who had played eve before."
from Kyrial :-
"I do have +3's.
Anyone who might be interested have any questions?"
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Roguehalo
Caldari RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2008.02.13 11:28:00 -
[66]
Ok now you know who GeraldRatner is
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.02.13 12:51:00 -
[67]
Edited by: LaVista Vista on 13/02/2008 12:53:11
Originally by: Roguehalo
from La Vista :-
"The totally stupid high return rate, packed into a week format rather than month, makes me think its a scam."
from La Vista :-
"Unless you will allow someone to audit your API key, i wouldnt get my hopes high."
The first quote is indeed a legit concern. A lot high retuns like the one there was put forward in the original offering, just like Riethe's, turned out to be scams. I pointed this out in the thread too. Also notice i say "made me think", its a thought of mine, not something i think. There was no definate evidence, just thoughts.
Based on the fact that an unknown character asked for isk, and it was kinda suspiscious, i made the last comment. Its a concern i had, that he wouldnt succeed in picking up the asked amount, unless an audit could confirm the claims he made.
I did audit his API, and there was nothing "strange", at least nothing that said it was a scam.
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cosmoray
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Posted - 2008.02.13 13:18:00 -
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EBank is a good product, if I had spare billions I would probably invest in the bond. One issue, you guys need to work on your PR and who should be talking on your behalf.
Marketing 1. No chance of scam, but I wouldn't have posted about the "run on the bank". If the bond wasn't for that reason then you didn't need to mention it.
2. One or two people max should be the public voice of EBank. The other directors should not be making public statements on behalf of EBank or making other general opinions, because that is causing bad publicity.
Stick to making EBank a professional product, everyone wants to see it succeed as it can provide a good service to EVE.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.13 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray EBank is a good product, if I had spare billions I would probably invest in the bond. One issue, you guys need to work on your PR and who should be talking on your behalf.
Marketing 1. No chance of scam, but I wouldn't have posted about the "run on the bank". If the bond wasn't for that reason then you didn't need to mention it.
2. One or two people max should be the public voice of EBank. The other directors should not be making public statements on behalf of EBank or making other general opinions, because that is causing bad publicity.
Stick to making EBank a professional product, everyone wants to see it succeed as it can provide a good service to EVE.
Well we do make our statistics public, so anyone who paid attention to them would have noticed our drop in liquidity. I do tend to be more transparent than need be, old habits die hard.
We may try to resolve internally what limits will be placed on transparency in the future.
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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Skyslider
Gallente Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.13 17:29:00 -
[70]
Now that all of that is out of the way, I'll take 2b
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.02.13 17:49:00 -
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I save so much time by skipping all Exclamation Point posts without a player corp name attached.
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Cogwheel
Legio Eterna
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Posted - 2008.02.13 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan I save so much time by skipping all Exclamation Point posts without a player corp name attached.
/me turns on his corp label...
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.13 20:58:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Skyslider Now that all of that is out of the way, I'll take 2b
Noted. We have 43 billion remaining. Remember to make sure it's in your sweep account, the amount will be deducted once reservations are complete.
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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Ryu Kibegami
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.02.14 01:47:00 -
[74]
Hexxx:
Is it possable for Ebank to take the ISK straight from my checking account?
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.02.14 02:05:00 -
[75]
To quote Hexxx,
Originally by: Hexxx
The money must be in your "sweep" account!It's a pain in the butt otherwise.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.14 02:06:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer To quote Hexxx,
Originally by: Hexxx
The money must be in your "sweep" account!It's a pain in the butt otherwise.
Ok...if you're only buying 1 billion, it can be in your checking. I just don't want another situation where I need to manually process from two sources on one user.
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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GallenteDominator
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Posted - 2008.02.14 02:47:00 -
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Yes im needing a loan if someone could plese get with me ingame or evemail me that would be good i dont need much.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.02.14 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: GallenteDominator Yes im needing a loan if someone could plese get with me ingame or evemail me that would be good i dont need much.
I see you use to be Chambas but you sold your main and are trying to buy a new character. So basically you have zero reputation and yet want people to loan your faceless alt money. Oh and you have no scruples against posting in every thread with the word loan in it yet don't want to bother contacting the loaners listed in one of those threads. It's almost as though we made that thread so people wouldn't spam the forum with requests for small personal loans....
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GallenteDominator
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Posted - 2008.02.14 04:10:00 -
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yes i need a loan for a char but i have most of the isk and ive tried contacting ppl in game when i get colladeral from my new char i will give name and stuff i dont need much i have 5.2 bill right now all im looking to barrow is 3 bill if i could. could someone plz convo me ingame plz
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.02.14 04:11:00 -
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ROFL. Good luck with that.
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GallenteDominator
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Posted - 2008.02.14 04:14:00 -
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well i dont know what to do ive never done this before? any help would be helpfull.
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Bladian
Gallente NET Profit Trading
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Posted - 2008.02.14 11:30:00 -
[82]
I would like to take a bond please hexxx
thanks
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Ryu Kibegami
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.02.14 12:59:00 -
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Hexxx:
There is no need to treat me different. When I decide to take the plunge, I will transfer the ISK to my sweep account. I am sorry for missing the info, and asking about what was already stated. I got overwhelmed in all the gutter sniping.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.14 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ryu Kibegami Hexxx:
There is no need to treat me different. When I decide to take the plunge, I will transfer the ISK to my sweep account. I am sorry for missing the info, and asking about what was already stated. I got overwhelmed in all the gutter sniping.
It's alright, I just want to minimize the chances of an error ocurring...mostly because fixing errors takes alot of my time.
The great thing about the EBANK system is that ANY error can be recovered from (we keep copious transaction logs) but the downside is...it takes a bit of time to get everything "fixed". Consequently, I put alot of effort into avoiding errors.
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.02.14 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 14/02/2008 18:50:53
In my opinion, directors are nothing more than directors and need to keep their mouths shut.
Once the board of directors give sign-off on iniatives such as this bond issue they should keep out of it and allow the fund manager to do their jobs. i.e. run the bond/IPO etc.
This thread is about a particular bond offering. I personally would have taken 10 billion of it if it wasn't for my own personal concerns about the trustworthiness of individuals involved with EBank.
This concern of mine is reinforced on a almost daily basis and this thread is no different. I have spoken with my investment isk. Tis a free market and I choose not to tie my isk up with operations who I feel are one temper tantum away from a signifigant scam.
So, do I get involved in EBank rabble posts? Not usually because it seves me no great interest. Except this one as I believe that EBank/Ricdic could benefit from its consideration.
The fund manager who is running this bond needs to get his act together and run the bond. Allowing these so-called directors to run off at the mouth and engage in a tit-for-tat abuse does nothing to enhance the name of EBank.
A directors first priority is to ensure the financial well being of the company for the benefit of the shareholders. The second they drop that role and become mouth-pieces for the company without restraint yo uhave lost all the value that director(s) can bring to the organisation.
Hexxx, you are running this IPO, get your ducks in a row and tell them to stop de-railing your thread.
Only than can you 'report' posts from a position of strength, rather than having to shake your head all the time wondering why your compartiots don't keep their lips buttoned.
That's my nickel advice for EBank.
Taikun
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.14 19:25:00 -
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EBANK's communication policies are being worked on, we recognize there is room for improvement.
We are preparing to announce a 4th Developer for EBANK in addition to a new Director to replace McRuder now that he has resigned. All developers have their own back-ups. We have a seperate test server and test database. We have daily backups of our live DB. We have multiple transaction logging mechanisms, segregation of duties (tellers can not action their own withdraws, loan officers can not approve their own loans). In fact, the only weakness would be collusion...but that's rather unlikely for obvious reasons.
Obviously you're free to do as you wish, vote with your isk, etc...but I will say I do look forward to our first year anniversary (8 months off) so that I can begin to reasonably put to rest the doubts that some harbor on the longevity and stability of EBANK.
There is a difference between paranoia and caution, but often the two are mixed together to various degrees. A bit of both is good, but too much of either can cloud your judgement.
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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ElweSingollo
Starlancers
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Posted - 2008.02.14 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun Edited by: Taikun on 14/02/2008 18:50:53 This thread is about a particular bond offering. I personally would have taken 10 billion of it if it wasn't for my own personal concerns about the trustworthiness of individuals involved with EBank.
This concern of mine is reinforced on a almost daily basis and this thread is no different. I have spoken with my investment isk. Tis a free market and I choose not to tie my isk up with operations who I feel are one temper tantum away from a signifigant scam.
So, do I get involved in EBank rabble posts? Not usually because it seves me no great interest. Except this one as I believe that EBank/Ricdic could benefit from its consideration.
Thats a fairly substantial attack on the integrity of Ebank which has been made with zero reference to proof to back up those claims Taikun please either back up your claims that they are untrustworthy with proof or retract that slander (in coad terms thats known as Proof or STFU).
CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature
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Jaarlax
Ratty Corp PLC Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2008.02.14 20:12:00 -
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deposited a bil for a bond :D
/me waves to elwe
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Soggybottom
Gallente The Original Fancy Boys
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Posted - 2008.02.14 20:17:00 -
[89]
I am interested in 2 bonds. I will be online in about 4 hours and will set up an EBank account and transfer the funds.
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Superstar Tradesman
Caldari Pro-Trade Industries Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.14 21:00:00 -
[90]
I will buy 1 bond please. Money will be sent later tonight. Yes I realise I have a man's name |
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