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rgreat
Gallente OEG Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.03 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: rgreat on 03/02/2008 12:43:18 4th med slot is useles on Deimos compared to lost 6th lowslot.
Deimos don't have enough cargohold and CPU/Grid to fit cap boosters.
Slot layout change on deimos is a plain nerf.
Just add 350 cap to base capacitor (instead of 250) to fully compensate for MWD bonus lost and it will be all good as it was. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
rgreat
Gallente OEG Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.03 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Paul Castrin A better fix (and said several times here already) is to make the Deimos a 5/4/6 setup by dropping the useless open high slot, and leave the bonuses as is so it can close to blaster range and have cap left for those hungry blasters turrets.
I'd better keep Deimos slot layouts as is.
6th high slot is usefull if you want to fit Nos or Neut, or a salvager if you are into PVE.
Deimos in fact DO NOT NEED that extra med slot. It have not CPU/PG to fit it.
If you want 4 meds AND loads of high/low - fly Astarte. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
rgreat
Gallente OEG Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.04 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Eleana Tomelac
Usually, no cruiser in any race uses the largest weapon in its class.
Except the thorax and the rupture
AB Thorax without any tank ?:)
Typical plated PVP Thorax can fit Electrons if your skills are very good. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
rgreat
Gallente OEG Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.05 04:54:00 -
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Edited by: rgreat on 05/02/2008 04:54:24
Originally by: Rjevski Everyone seems to be upset about Deimos changes. I clearly see that it has really touched that sensitive side of Galente pilots. We are all oh-so-quick to forget the weight reduction and PG bonus that Deimos received. Did anyone complain? DonĘt think so. Yes granted its unpleasant to loose something that you are used to. But all of you are asking for all-in-one gank machine with the biggest DPS for its class in the game.
Basicly - yes.
But all things come with a price. And a price of deimos high dps and good tank - is a higher vulnerability in combat. You just had to be close to harm while flying deimos. And have only very limited chances if you make just a single mistake.
Thats why so many people love it: high gain with high risk. It was a fun ship to fly overall. Just like Zealot.
P.S. 1 on 1 is overrated. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
rgreat
Gallente OEG Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.05 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: rgreat on 05/02/2008 17:24:31 Edited by: rgreat on 05/02/2008 17:15:35
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Wise words, there are alot of ships from different races that fit very good if you just drop to lower tier guns. Try it, its not as horrible as it may seem at a first glance. Zealot cant fit heavy pulse + tank for example. If you want tank on your hac you gotta downsize guns and it shouldt be any different with deimos. Same with geddon really, if you want a reasonable tank you gotta downsize.
Forget about big guns. Even old Deimos can fit Neutrons only with ancillary rigs.
New Deimos (with med cap booster) can't fit even full rack of ION blasters without Reactor Control or Ancillary Rigs...
Deimos with Electrons = lol. Effective range is like 1-2 km. More and you lose DPS. And DPS is weak even at point bank range, not to mention it takes ages to stabilise distance at 500-2000 m.
Not to mention 6th utility slot. So Deimos is MUCH HARDER to fit compared to Zealot.
If i want to cry more here it goes : Smaller pulse lasers have alot more range comared to smaller blasters even with close range ammo/crystals. Electrons: 1.5+5.6 km IONs: 1.9+7.5 km Focused Pulse Lasers: 10+3.8
Also Blaster damage is only 20% more in comparsion, while eat 40% more cap.
Deimos only have 990 PG and Zealot have 1350. And Ion Blasters use more PG and CPU compared to Focused Pulse Lasers. 158 PG vs 132 PG 33 CPU vs 29 CPU.
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rgreat
Gallente OEG Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.05 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: rgreat on 05/02/2008 17:35:13
Originally by: Takeshi Yamato Ion Blasters also do a lot more damage. You should compare focused medium pulse to Electron Blasters who also do more dps than focused medium pulses but just require 21 cpu and 95 pg.
62 vs 52 DPS at max skills per gun. Not a big diference if you consider 5-7 times less optimal range, considerably worse fitting and same cap usage while still in need for ammo and reloading.
And again, you can't even fit ION's now. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
rgreat
Gallente OEG Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.05 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Erik Legant So, I ask CCP to think about a replacement of the bonus on the microwarpdrive by a 5% bonus on the armor resistances if they still feel the need to change something about the Deimos.
+1, If they keep 6-3-6 slots layout and add more cap to compensate MWD bonus loss. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
rgreat
Gallente OEG Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.05 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Takeshi Yamato
What do you mean?
focused medium pulse II with -50% cap usage bonus 31 dps, 6.8 optimal +3.8 falloff, 21.8 cpu, 118.8 pg, 1.05 cap/sec
heavy electron blaster II with a 25% damage bonus: 50 dps, 1.5 optimal +3.8k falloff, 21 cpu, 94.5 pg, 1 cap/sec
Yea electron blasters aren't very good overall, but focused pulses aren't that good either...
I use EFT to check.
Zealot with 1 Focused Medium Pulse II turret and max skills: 52 DPS, 10+3.8 range, 1.4 cap pre sec.
Deimos with 1 Heavy Electron Blaster II turret and max skills: 58 DPS, 1.5+5.6 range, 1 cap per sec.
Deimos with 1 Heavy Electron Blaster II turret and max skills: 62 DPS, 1.9+7.5 range, 1.1 cap per sec.
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rgreat
Gallente OEG Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.05 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: rgreat on 05/02/2008 18:15:15
Originally by: Takeshi Yamato Now add drones if you seriously want to compare entire ships. Of course the Zealot has a higher damage bonus, since lasers are its only weapon.
Yes, but drones are pain in the ass in battle. You have to watch them constantly and they can be killed and lost way too easy. They also useless against fast ships. Pure guns and medium/long range approach in Zealot is much easier to fly.
If i wanted drones i'd fly Ishtar. It is in fact much more useful against Zealot compared to new Deimos.
I like Zealot, and i like extra slot on it, but this Deimos so called 'boost' is just plain wrong. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
rgreat
Gallente OEG Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.05 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fendahl We are looking into seeding both versions of the Deimos so you have a better frame of reference.
1 Low is better then 1 Med with current PG/CPU of Deimos. Simple as that. ;) You can't possibly argue with it.
As for rep bonus,.. why not, if you fully compensate cap loss for MWD bonus lost. Deimos DO NOT NEED cap booster. It can be made to permarep itself as it is.
Well.. on a worse sides of things, now Deimos will need one of its rigs to be EM rig to undo EM armor nerf. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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rgreat
Gallente OEG Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.06 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: rgreat on 06/02/2008 00:32:40
Originally by: TigerWoman well again on the zeal: my normal standard setup was (gang)
4 hvy pulse mwd, tracking comp, cap booster 3 hs 2, anp, eanm, 3x hs 2, n type thermic hardener, med repper 2
and it was allrdy quite tight.
now i got 1 more turret slot but i cannot use it. which setup with hvy pulse is that thing you talking about?
Replace 1 ANP Rig with Ancillary Rig, and one HS with nanofibers or caprelay or overdrive, or something like that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
rgreat
Gallente OEG Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.07 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: rgreat on 07/02/2008 13:01:45
Originally by: Forced Evil a. U have very poor skills b. The raven had more than 3 SB or was remote SB c. U dont had scripts or was the wrong ones loaded d. He used f.o.f. cruise missiles
Feel free to choose one of the above listed possibilities
Either way damps are quite uselless now compared to other EW. I do not even use them on arazu anymore. ;) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
rgreat
Gallente OEG Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.14 05:45:00 -
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Edited by: rgreat on 14/02/2008 05:54:35
Deimos will cost too much to be used with 3 MagStabs and Neutrons. (2 Ancillary rigs) Also you have to be very close to actually do damage. At web range you will die very fast without semi-decent tank in Deimos. No point to fly all out gank Deimoses unless you plan for 3+ vs 1 ganks only.
Zealot can be used as relatively safe med-long range nano-damager. Deimos can't really do it.
Typical ballanced Deimos config is with Ion blasters and 1 magstab at max to be able to survive some beating. For example my Deimos give me 467 DPS with drones, while able to survive 2-3 average damagers for some time. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
rgreat
Gallente OEG Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.25 07:12:00 -
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Edited by: rgreat on 25/02/2008 07:14:32
Originally by: CCP Fendahl
Originally by: Aylara It looks like only the name for the "Old Deimos" is on market on Sissi, but not the ship...
It's on the market only in FD-MLJ VII - Moon 2 Intaki Bank Investment Bank, since we are seeding it manually. Join #moveme if you need to get moved there.
IT IS NOT SEEDED!
Availiable amount = 0.
And again rep bonus suck in real combat situations, just as low slot is better then med slot for blasterboat. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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