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000Hunter000
Gallente Magners Marauders VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.01 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X I don't think you'll get far petitioning, but you wont get pwnt either. Try it, use fancy big words, present your case.. just remember you're asking to dedicate very very very expensive hardware to a single system. It *has* to be worth it.
Dodixie, nuff said. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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Szprinkoth Sponsz
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.01 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X Edited by: CCP Prism X on 01/02/2008 17:26:15 Rens might already be on one.. I know jita aint the only one at least. We started off with 3 and i'm quite sure people can add to the list behind my back and I haven't checked recently.
Edit: Totally forgot to answer the question. I don't think you'll get far petitioning, but you wont get pwnt either. Try it, use fancy big words, present your case.. just remember you're asking to dedicate very very very expensive hardware to a single system. It *has* to be worth it.
Give us a dedicated node for QY6-RK please.
Thanks in advance, Eurosquad poster extraordinare Szprinkoth Sponsz.
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CCP Prism X
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz Give us a dedicated node for QY6-RK please.
Thanks in advance, Eurosquad poster extraordinare Szprinkoth Sponsz.
Fork out the cash for: 1) The hardware 2) My travel to London along with keep. 3) Bribe the administration to give me the days off which will probably include paying my salary + the salary of whoever has to replace me so it will be business as usual.
And we can talk shop. Amazingly your sub doesn't cover it
Nah but considering the load difference of empire/losec to nullsec that isn't happening, ever.
~ Prism X EvE Database Developer, Relocating your character to a cozy, giant secure container since 2006. |
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Sgt Napalm
Synergy Fundacion
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:07:00 -
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CCP Prism X,
How large in Gigs is the entire database? Always been wondering this.
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CCP Prism X
C C P
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:21:00 -
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Hmm, it's actually well over a TB right now which isn't right. Will have to look into that and/or talk to the geniuses down in Ops.
~ Prism X EvE Database Developer, Relocating your character to a cozy, giant secure container since 2006. |
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T But when some of the better agents are IN Jita, you have to question their competence in choosing what and where to move
uh what? theres like crappy level 1 and 2 agents in jita.
Your proposal is actually worse than most of the last 493455494 that have been put together in the last couple months.
One way to start alleviating lag...log in, click "terminate", come back in 10 hours, click "terminate" again, click "yes"....tyvm, before you do all that, gimme ur stuff please? _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz Give us a dedicated node for QY6-RK please.
Thanks in advance, Eurosquad poster extraordinare Szprinkoth Sponsz.
Fork out the cash for: 1) The hardware 2) My travel to London along with keep. 3) Bribe the administration to give me the days off which will probably include paying my salary + the salary of whoever has to replace me so it will be business as usual.
And we can talk shop. Amazingly your sub doesn't cover it
Nah but considering the load difference of empire/losec to nullsec that isn't happening, ever.
hmmmm CCP Prism is smacktallking alot lately...wonder if hes on his last 2 weeks with CCP or something and has decided to be a total jackass to everyone posting ****? _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz Give us a dedicated node for QY6-RK please.
Thanks in advance, Eurosquad poster extraordinare Szprinkoth Sponsz.
Fork out the cash for: 1) The hardware 2) My travel to London along with keep. 3) Bribe the administration to give me the days off which will probably include paying my salary + the salary of whoever has to replace me so it will be business as usual.
And we can talk shop. Amazingly your sub doesn't cover it
Nah but considering the load difference of empire/losec to nullsec that isn't happening, ever.
hmmmm CCP Prism is smacktallking alot lately...wonder if hes on his last 2 weeks with CCP or something and has decided to be a total jackass to everyone posting ****?
Oh hell, check his post history. He does this at least once every week or two. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2 |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Seeing EyeDog hmmmm CCP Prism is smacktallking alot lately...wonder if hes on his last 2 weeks with CCP or something and has decided to be a total jackass to everyone posting ****?
I hear he's secretly a goon.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog hmmmm CCP Prism is smacktallking alot lately...wonder if hes on his last 2 weeks with CCP or something and has decided to be a total jackass to everyone posting ****?
I hear he's secretly a goon.
Who isn't?
"Bring back the pain."
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 01/02/2008 18:53:37
Ok, my wording might have not been the most fortunate, I'll give you that. But for a "seeing eye dog", you're definetely a bit blind yourself.
First and foremost, you are completely oblivious of the nice little concept called "Location, Location, Location" ! Also, about the fact that "the better agents" for ME are not the better agents for YOU, and definetely not the better agents for the NEWCOMERS to the game or those that *surprise* prefer to run couriers instead of combat (even if some of the missions they get ARE combat). And last but not least, the fact that, *oh the shocker*, agents NOT ALWAYS send you to do a mission locally, and as such, a system like Jita (with 7 direct links to other systems) is a prime candidate for "mission in the next system" clutter... you might have noticed I mentioned moving not only Jita agents, but also agents one, even two jumps away from Jita.
Jita has already reached "critical mass" for self-sustenance as a major hub even without other "attractions" in the area. As such, the main focus should be on removing as much of the "not absolutely necessary" things in and around it that contribute even the least bit to lag IN Jita. ___
P.S. I almost never go to Jita. I do trade in Jita though. From 6j away. Remote trade skills to L3 FTW.
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CCP Prism X
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:53:00 -
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OK I resent that! I smack-talk alot, period. Off late I've pretty much not posted at all. Except today, as I have downtime. And I don't smack-talk unless provoked, otherwise I just give passive aggressive quasi-witty non-answers. Some people like it. The fact that I'm included in "some people who like it" and my superiors are not in the "the people who really oppose it" is enough for me.
~ Prism X EvE Database Developer, Relocating your character to a cozy, giant secure container since 2006. |
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 01/02/2008 18:50:21
Ok, my wording might have not been the most fortunate, I'll give you that. But for a "seeing eye dog", you're definetely a bit blind yourself.
First and foremost, you are completely oblivious of the nice little concept called "Location, Location, Location" ! Also, about the fact that "the better agents" for ME are not the better agents for YOU, and definetely not the better agents for the NEWCOMERS to the game or those that *surprise* prefer to run couriers instead of combat (even if some of the missions they get ARE combat). And last but not least, the fact that, *oh the shocker*, agents NOT ALWAYS send you to do a mission locally, and as such, a system like Jita (with 7 direct links to other systems) is a prime candidate for "mission in the next system" clutter... you might have noticed I mentioned moving not only Jita agents, but also agents one, even two jumps away from Jita.
you realize jita is only as clogged as it is b/c everyone thats there is just a lemming who asks "hey where can i go for (x)?" and gets the answer "you can go to jita"...the only thing that will unclutter jita is if people set up another trade hub.
oh and btw, theres other Level 1 and 2 courier missions in systems right by jita, ya know. Take the time to use one of Chribba's fine services. Eve Agent Locator _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Mark Lucius
The Vinlanders SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:56:00 -
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<3 Prism X ---
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X Edited by: CCP Prism X on 01/02/2008 16:33:58 Edited by: CCP Prism X on 01/02/2008 16:33:10 A L3Q13 agent is a prized commoditiy these days? Or maybe my DB has incorrect denormalized data. Either way:
We can't keep on doing temporary band-aid solutions. I don't have any concrete and/or normalized numbers but I reckon the first push to move asteroids and some agents out of Jita didn't give us any extra oomph. Besides, Jita has it's own dedicated node where as other systems don't so if these agents are such hot commodities moving it to undedicated systems will cause lag on other systems than just that one.
Believe me, if we had easy solutions absolutely nothing would stop us from solving latency. You know how popular we'd become in the MMO world?
I think if all agents gave out equal lp. E.G All lvl4 highsec agents give out same amount of lp, and all low sec agents give extra bonus obviously etc.
With same amount of lp - then people would spread about and new markets owuld be made to service them. Lets not kid outselves - most mission runners create the lag of overcrowding as there is no alternative to a high qulity agent. Nobody spends their live doinga -17 lvl4 quality agent.
If making them give the same LP is not a solution, then Just add plenty more high quality agents and people will move. Help them move.
Think of the public toilet in the city. People will crowd around it rather than go in the street. Just add more toilets and the problem will...."go" away. Sig locked, lack of Eve content |
Angel DeMorphis
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
oh and btw, theres other Level 1 and 2 courier missions in systems right by jita, ya know.
Yes, those are some of the agents she suggested moving.
Reading. Another Level. Train it.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X OK I resent that! I smack-talk alot, period. Off late I've pretty much not posted at all. Except today, as I have downtime. And I don't smack-talk unless provoked, otherwise I just give passive aggressive quasi-witty non-answers. Some people like it. The fact that I'm included in "some people who like it" and my superiors are not in the "the people who really oppose it" is enough for me.
Dont worry man, if you flew Amarr, then you would find us all feel the same way! Sig locked, lack of Eve content |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Seeing EyeDog the only thing that will unclutter jita is if people set up another trade hub
First, see above edit. You missed a few things that nullify everything you said except the quoted part. And that quoted part is also partially wrong.
There will never be another trade hub in The Forge (or for that matter, not a large enough one anywhere else in Caldari space) unless you make Jita UNATTRACTIVE enough so people have a reason to move out. And the only way to make it unattractive enough to compensate for the "network effect" that keeps it self-sustainable would be (especially now, in the age of "warp to zero") if the routes TO Jita would be altered enough to make travel there a pain in the ass (several 100+ AU warps, at least half a dozen extra jumps needed, stuff like that).
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Jessamine
Umbra Legion
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:02:00 -
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eve-agents.com is your friends.
17 Agents in Jita, none of them of stellar quality but plenty opportunities to pick up a ton of couriers to net Caldari storylines.
See?
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jessamine Edited by: Jessamine on 01/02/2008 19:07:05 eve-agents.com is your friends.
17 Agents in Jita, none of them of stellar quality but plenty opportunities to pick up a ton of couriers to net Caldari storylines.
Wow, that's an interesting point. I never realized there were so many agents in Jita.
Originally by: Jonny JoJo Dont worry man, if you flew Amarr, then you would find us all feel the same way!
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CCP Prism X
C C P
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:18:00 -
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Well all those 17 agents are quiet teh suck. But I'll bring it up with Hammerhead along with some other thoughts gleamed from here. However, that'll be on Monday so I have good 2 entire nights plus an evening to forget that.
Anyone sees me on IRC come monday, pokes me about it and see if I still have an idea. ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer, DB-Dev! Not Administration, Community Manager, Customer Support, Content Developer and most definitely not a P.R. representative. |
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Major PewPew
Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Major PewPew on 01/02/2008 19:24:01 nvm
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:27:00 -
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There are many agents still in Jita.
But more importantly, other agents (some of them quite popular) send you *to* jita.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:29:00 -
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^ what Ulstan said.
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Soulita
Gallente Inner Core
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X Well all those 17 agents are quiet teh suck. But I'll bring it up with Hammerhead along with some other thoughts gleamed from here. However, that'll be on Monday so I have good 2 entire nights plus an evening to forget that.
Anyone sees me on IRC come monday, pokes me about it and see if I still have an idea.
Dude, what did you have for breakfast??? You look all pale and stuff...
Or is that what happens when you work with Databases? Tell me it aint so, gonna start some sql database work soon...
* looks into mirror *
HOLY, look at me! I am starting to look pale as well!!!! Rotten databases!!!
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Soulita
Originally by: CCP Prism X Well all those 17 agents are quiet teh suck. But I'll bring it up with Hammerhead along with some other thoughts gleamed from here. However, that'll be on Monday so I have good 2 entire nights plus an evening to forget that.
Anyone sees me on IRC come monday, pokes me about it and see if I still have an idea.
Dude, what did you have for breakfast??? You look all pale and stuff...
Or is that what happens when you work with Databases? Tell me it aint so, gonna start some sql database work soon...
* looks into mirror *
HOLY, look at me! I am starting to look pale as well!!!! Rotten databases!!!
The EVE database is actually held deep inside an underground complex, stored in a twisting series of dark caverns.
After a couple of years Prism X's skin will become translucent and his eyes will become useless. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2 |
Alora Venoda
Caldari GalTech Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:38:00 -
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how about this: make some static deadspaces in Jita with lots of mini-stations in different pockets that all connect to the 4-4 station via NPC trade routes or whatever. each pocket would be visible on the overview (similar to cosmos complexes), so you could easily select any of them.
the basic idea is to make more outlets to access the trade hub instead of all trying to use the same one.
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Angel DeMorphis
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Alora Venoda how about this: make some static deadspaces in Jita with lots of mini-stations in different pockets that all connect to the 4-4 station via NPC trade routes or whatever. each pocket would be visible on the overview (similar to cosmos complexes), so you could easily select any of them.
the basic idea is to make more outlets to access the trade hub instead of all trying to use the same one.
Lag is not caused by being in the same station, but by being in the same system. In other systems, it's population within a certain cluster of systems, but Jita has it's own node. So sites in Jita as you mentioned would do absolute 0 to lag. It just might help people undock without being bumped around so much.
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Deviant Pixelus
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:55:00 -
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I play on a 95kbps connection. I go to jita, I go to rens, I go to amaar as well as the gallente hub. I have no complaints, the only complaint I have is fleet ops lag.
But thats a different subject, different place.
Personally I cant imagine the kind of db work prism would have to carry out irl to keep eve going.
Hats off to you man. Dedication. Thats what makes me stick to eve, Dev's responding to people talking.
I cant expect that in any other mmo.
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Angel DeMorphis
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.01 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: KapnKaboom The solution to the problem would be to move all ores except for Veldspar to lowsec or lower, and only allow lvl 2 max agents in highsec. That way everybody would be forced into lowsec to get anything other than trit or a mission worth doing. This would in turn keep the populations, and thus lag, down to manageable levels as the lowsec pirates keep the miner/missioner populations in check.
You forgot to add that this solution is because you want to decrease the subscriber base of Eve by a large percentage (all those people that wouldn't dream of missioning/mining in low sec).
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