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DerArt1st
Burnout Syndrome SECUWAY.
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Posted - 2007.11.29 15:45:00 -
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Hi there,
today it hit me too. My graphiccard is destroyed while playing eve online. I never had some issues like that in the past. I made a thread in the "known issues and workarounds" area:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=646796
Maybe, we can collect our information in this thread... so somebody else can avoid such problems.
Thx for ur attention.
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Mel Ionix
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Posted - 2007.11.29 15:50:00 -
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So you're implying that Eve caused this, even though it barely uses the GPU at the moment?
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Zenst
Gallente Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.11.29 15:51:00 -
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QUick point to note for this time of the year. Alot of people put there central heating on having had it off all summer (sic). End result is alot of people end up killing hardware around this time of year due to overheating (also happens during first summer period). But big factor.
Also cleaning out dust is reccomended often and you can never have enough cooling on a system.
PS I've had a whole PC die on me playing eve, turned out to be flawed cosair memory which I'll never ever touch again due to hassels in getting that sorted - let alone shop at www.scan.co.uk ever again - so learn from my mistakes.
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Jupiter Sun
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Posted - 2007.11.29 15:53:00 -
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IBTP
(in before tech people)
buyer a better PSU, buy a better cooling solution, buy better graphics card, etc...ok now that blathering is all out the way...
in defence of your case: EvE does put some systems under an unusually stressful thermal cycling of 100% GPU and CPU usage then almost none, then 100% usage again, over and over and over...this is a bit like turning something on and off lots, it will make it fail much sooner than expected and i suspect is due to the current client being a pile of junk not worthy of the hardware its run on (nobody can deny that). I am very hopefull this will be a thing of the past come the new client/engine/whatever.
another viewpoint: perhaps it was simply your cards time to go to silicon heaven, modern hardware is nowhere near as reliable as the old stuff for sure!
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Zenst
Gallente Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.11.29 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mel Ionix So you're implying that Eve caused this, even though it barely uses the GPU at the moment?
EVE currently by mear fact it uses DX libary calls ends up thrashing memory alot - especialy on the graphics card. Blame M$ for that snarf. EVE currently only uses say 70% of your graphics cards features - they've added the rest. But still pushs any graphics card nomater which version of the client. Just the later new client is optimised better and that extra gain is more than utilised so on balance you get same kind of hits.
Anyhow - run eve and then stick your soft bits onto your graphics card as its not hot at all and then come back to this thread with a reply Sir ;p.
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DerArt1st
Burnout Syndrome SECUWAY.
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Posted - 2007.11.29 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: DerArt1st on 29/11/2007 15:56:33 Yeah,
i think eve caused this. Dont ask me why... i dont know it. But my friends geforce 6600 was wrecked 1 month ago with "exactly" the same problems while playing eve.
I didnt play a different game since 6 months and the card was never overheated or something like that. Maybe i am wrong... maybe not... thats what i want to find out.
And btw: I have 7 cooling fans in my computer... the card was never over 50¦ so i dont think its a overheat issue.
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Jupiter Sun
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Posted - 2007.11.29 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Zenst QUick point to note for this time of the year. Alot of people put there central heating on having had it off all summer (sic). End result is alot of people end up killing hardware around this time of year due to overheating (also happens during first summer period). But big factor.
Also cleaning out dust is reccomended often and you can never have enough cooling on a system.
oh man, can't agree more...my desk is by a window slightly open so i got ice cold air flowing into it <3
also make sure you know your hardware, some CPU's are BBQ's and a layer of felt-dust on the cooler will kill it fast, same with GPU's which run even hotter. if you overclock you should be an expert on cooling anyhow, otherwise you're a fool asking for trouble.
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.11.29 16:03:00 -
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I too have burned out a graphics card while playing Eve. It happened about 2 years ago. I was sitting in station spinning my ship around when it went poof.
While I can understand that Eve might put higher burdens on a system, I must also ask this: Is Eve pretty much the only thing you use your system for? Cuz in that event, the chance that a random hardware failure would occur when playing Eve would obviously be quite high.
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MHayes
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Posted - 2007.11.29 16:03:00 -
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sorry dude but it isn't likely at all, infact it isn't the case. it is up to the cards bios/ OS to increase the fan speed. so if it has overheated due to that then tough crap.
If eve is the most demanding game you play then it is likely that it was the straw that broke the camels back if you know what i mean but it wouldn't break it unless it was dodgy in the first place but it could tip it over the edge so to speak.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.11.29 16:06:00 -
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It's possible that a bad video card driver could result in a hardware failure of some kind, but that's just about the only possibility.
Though I'm not an infinite fountain of computer knowledge, I'm 95% sure that a normal application isn't capable of single-handedly wasting any computer hardware. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare |
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Agil TradeAlt
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Posted - 2007.11.29 16:09:00 -
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I had my Car Engine blow up while playing eve. Sending bug report as this is not on!
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DerArt1st
Burnout Syndrome SECUWAY.
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Posted - 2007.11.29 16:12:00 -
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hi again,
i didnt play something different than eve in the last half year. Sometimes i hear some mp3's or browsing in the web... thats all i did. And i can say that the card wasnt overheated... the nvidia-driver has a warning function and i told the driver to warn me if the card goes over 60¦. In fact it never went over 50¦... i had an eye on that.
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Glaran Strantor
Power Data Control
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Posted - 2007.11.29 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Agil TradeAlt I had my Car Engine blow up while playing eve. Sending bug report as this is not on!
Actually.. I had that happen last year. I'm not joking.
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr The Wild Hunt Pure.
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Posted - 2007.11.29 16:15:00 -
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Couldn't happen, not at all.
The ONLY thing possible could be that the card got stressed so much for it to overheat to a point where it actually goes defective.
here's some thoughts on that;
- EVE doesn't stress the vidcard at all - even if that would happen it's not the game's fault but the card wasn't proper to begin with, the PC wasn't cooled well enough or it happened due to dust accumilation. - stop overclocking and/or stop using nice looking small comp cases
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Jupiter Sun
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Posted - 2007.11.29 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: MHayes sorry dude but it isn't likely at all, infact it isn't the case. it is up to the cards bios/ OS to increase the fan speed. so if it has overheated due to that then tough crap.
If eve is the most demanding game you play then it is likely that it was the straw that broke the camels back if you know what i mean but it wouldn't break it unless it was dodgy in the first place but it could tip it over the edge so to speak.
It's a bit like benchmarking hardware that comes with the warning 'this **** will stress your system to the max and may expose/break the weak spots'.
Thing is, most commerically available brand name PC's do not have what an experienced PC builder would agree is an acceptable cooling solution for gaming even if they come advertised for gaming, the result is they have lovely high internal temps, gather dust super fast and conk out after a year in the modern dust filled home, running eve on those systems is asking for trouble and you can hardly blame the person playing the game for running a crap client on a badly built system (that could have lasted many more years with better cooling) :(
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD Solidus Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.29 16:16:00 -
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well... eve sure helped shorten the life span of my HDDs (RAID) - putting the gist back into logistics |
DerArt1st
Burnout Syndrome SECUWAY.
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Posted - 2007.11.29 16:17:00 -
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Guys... listen... i build the computer by myself... its not the first that i had build and i can say that not a single device in my computer was overheated.
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Ambo
2nd Outcasters
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Posted - 2007.11.29 16:20:00 -
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How old was the card?
Having a component just give out after a few years is perfectly normal if you use it a lot and would have happened regardless of what you are doing at the time.
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turnschuh
Viper Squad
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Posted - 2007.11.29 16:20:00 -
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There is no way a particular game could destroy hardware.
Its more like, playing to mutch/long and it would have happened with any other game.
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Jupiter Sun
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Posted - 2007.11.29 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider well... eve sure helped shorten the life span of my HDDs (RAID)
I thought putting disks into raid (0, the common home usage of it, not actually raid but whatever) shorted the arrays effective lifespan instantly?
I'd like to know how eve hurts hard disks though, would be funny if true :D
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DerArt1st
Burnout Syndrome SECUWAY.
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Posted - 2007.11.29 16:21:00 -
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It was a Geforce 7800GT and i called the manufacturer to see how old it was and if i can get a reimbursement. It was manufactured in April 06.
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Sgt Blade
An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.11.29 16:31:00 -
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i very doubt that eve cause your gfx card to overheat and die..... if its a 6600 then its just probably getting old and you haven't cleaned it out/sufficient cooling to it. i used to have one myself and even if it dosnt look like they overheat above 60 degrees they still go down after a while
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Cybarite
Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.11.29 16:55:00 -
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it's pretty unlikely that your graphics card would be "killed" by eve alone, unlikely to the point of certainty. Eve doesn't actually out alot of stress on your GPU in the first place, due to the client's age it works mostly off the CPU, innadequet cooling could be the culprit, you say you built the system yourself, that doesn't nessicarily mean it has better cooling, it could be worse.
How many case fans are you running? what's the wattage on your power supply? what case did you use? what motherboard and chipset are you running? any of these factors could contribute to heat problems, also how you routed the wiring inside the case has an effect as well.
Unfortunate as it is, your card is also about 16 months old, which is nearing obsolescence, and would probably have lasted no more than 6 more months if you wanted to play more modern games anyway. I'd say the outside for videocards these days is about two years. ... Why do I PvP? Because I love the feeling I get when I see the pretty lights and know that someone somewhere is screaming incoherently at their computer screen. |
Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 29/11/2007 17:02:54 Posted this a few minutes ago in a similar thread, but try forcing V-sync on in EVE. the amount of data getting blasted through your card is insane when EVE idles at 200 or so FPS in station, and it has very little use other than to cause issues. With v-sync on you'll be capped at the refresh-rate of your monitor which is usually a lot lower. In EVE this is done by enabling advanced settings and setting interval to one rather than immediate. Overal effect is to dramatically reduce the load on the video-card while you loose little to no quality.
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Apocryphai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: DerArt1st hi again,
i didnt play something different than eve in the last half year. Sometimes i hear some mp3's or browsing in the web... thats all i did.
You know that *all* hardware will fail at some point yeah?
You say you didn't play anything except EVE. OK, so if your card fails *for any reason* then it must be EVE's fault, even though you didn't play anything else?
That's like saying that you were driving along and your car engine blew up, but because you were driving along a tarmac road, and that you ONLY drive along tarmac roads it MUST be the tarmac road that made your car blow up!
Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:19:00 -
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Eve has never wrecked my hardware.
My Life, yes.
But not my hardware.
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Talon SilverHawk
Caldari Patria o Muerte
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:01:00 -
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I doubt its Eve
Been running Eve on my old box for 3 years.
using raid 0 OC on the CPU, motherboard, and GPU
I have upgraded the memory and the GPU in that time but in the fist year and a half played Eve an insane amount of time. Nothing ever broke.
Considering 200k players playing eve alot some machines are going break just through normal hardware failure.
Keep your machine clean buy quality components and unless your unlulcky (knock on wood as i just built a new one) you should be ok.
Tal
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kallet slab
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: kallet slab on 29/11/2007 18:25:31 2 of my Graphic Cards died in the past two years while playin eve (after hardcore fleet actions). This summer , 6 gfx in my corp passed away so some truth in here
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Maltitol
Gallente Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:41:00 -
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if your video card (that is better than mine) goes poof while playing eve, you have more to worry about than the video card itself. if your under warranty get it replaced. if not, well you had a good run and its time to upgrade anyways.
there is no known software that will physically make your card go defective, except if it is re-writing the card's firmware (which is unheard of). i suggest having an actual technician look at the pc for defects/shorts/connections/heat dispersion/jumper settings etc. its not Eve m8. my crap-tacular 5000 series card has never given me an issue.
is your card plugged into a seperate power cord from the PSU? have you tested that line?
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Military Industrial Research
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Posted - 2007.11.29 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Alz Shado Eve has never wrecked my hardware.
My Life, yes.
But not my hardware.
This.
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