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sharkyballs
Amarr Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.19 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: zykerx
Originally by: Darko1107 May not be biased, but its a pretty poor rating system imo.
MC at 24th shows that perfectly.
yeah if i make a 1 man alliance and put 10 pos up im the uber number1 on that website :O
you are very correct. this data is crap. wanna know why? 1 man alliance sets up 1 pos in x system, and 1 pos in y system. both achive sov 3.
score = 100 [(# systems * avg. sov) / (average members per system)
so, score = 100 [(2*3) / (.5)]
score = 1200
a 1 man alliance just made it to the # 2 spot. lol, i don't think so. your data makes no sense.
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.19 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: sharkyballs you are very correct. this data is crap. wanna know why? 1 man alliance sets up 1 pos in x system, and 1 pos in y system. both achive sov 3.
score = 100 [(# systems * avg. sov) / (average members per system)
so, score = 100 [(2*3) / (.5)]
score = 1200
a 1 man alliance just made it to the # 2 spot. lol, i don't think so. your data makes no sense.
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Tanx0r
Caldari Mothers of Invention
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Posted - 2007.11.19 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Tanx0r on 19/11/2007 21:59:47
Originally by: sharkyballs
Originally by: zykerx
Originally by: Darko1107 May not be biased, but its a pretty poor rating system imo.
MC at 24th shows that perfectly.
yeah if i make a 1 man alliance and put 10 pos up im the uber number1 on that website :O
you are very correct. this data is crap. wanna know why? 1 man alliance sets up 1 pos in x system, and 1 pos in y system. both achive sov 3.
score = 100 [(# systems * avg. sov) / (average members per system)
so, score = 100 [(2*3) / (.5)]
score = 1200
a 1 man alliance just made it to the # 2 spot. lol, i don't think so. your data makes no sense.
And just how long do you think this "alliance" of yours is going to last?
Not impressed.
Also, you can click any of the other columns to change the rating. But sure, whine on.
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Bein Glorious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:01:00 -
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um no offense duder but this is kind of just multiplying random **** together and making a graph with no purpose |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:05:00 -
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Lies...
My alliance has not been rated.
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sharkyballs
Amarr Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: sharkyballs on 19/11/2007 22:10:52
Originally by: Tanx0r Edited by: Tanx0r on 19/11/2007 21:59:47
Originally by: sharkyballs
Originally by: zykerx
Originally by: Darko1107 May not be biased, but its a pretty poor rating system imo.
MC at 24th shows that perfectly.
yeah if i make a 1 man alliance and put 10 pos up im the uber number1 on that website :O
you are very correct. this data is crap. wanna know why? 1 man alliance sets up 1 pos in x system, and 1 pos in y system. both achive sov 3.
score = 100 [(# systems * avg. sov) / (average members per system)
so, score = 100 [(2*3) / (.5)]
score = 1200
a 1 man alliance just made it to the # 2 spot. lol, i don't think so. your data makes no sense.
And just how long do you think this "alliance" of yours is going to last?
Not impressed.
Also, you can click any of the other columns to change the rating. But sure, whine on.
i fail to see were i whined, but i sure didn't fail to show how (as said previously) just throwing random algebra together doesn't make since. your math doesn't prove anything. try again.
EDIT: and it doesn't matter how long the alliance lasts, that's not an option in your equation. if it was then it might make a difference.
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Kai Zion
Amarr The Zion Accounts
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:11:00 -
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Go CVA!
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Kaaii
Caldari Kaaii-Net Research Labs
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Bein Glorious um no offense duder but this is kind of just multiplying random **** together and making a graph with no purpose
Seems the purpose is quite clear..
According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
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Ender Fal
Caldari Bastage Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:16:00 -
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With info that means nothing. Case in point CVA a full 12 spots higher then MM. Well here's to expecting CVA to wardec the former elite roleplayers They should steamroll em.
Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: Serenity Steele Would it be fair to say, that CVA are better at PvP than Morsus?
No
Originally by: Serenity Steele Would 200 CVA win against 200 Morsus in a battle for territory?
And no
As someone else has pointed out EVE is too complex to measure things just by numbers.
Using your example - yes CVA has less members that Morsus Mihi and approximately the same space. However CVA controlled Providence is also a home to many 'friendly' alliance and neutrals who all play a part in maintaining order and CVA control thanks through our NRDS policies.
Those numbers are invisible, at least in a basic model like this.
So while yes on the face of it CVA holds the same territory as MM with (apparently) lower numbers this really doesn't tell you anything about the comparable PvP capabilities of the two alliances or the strength they can delpoy on the battlefield...
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Hasham Abbas
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:20:00 -
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Automate it and put another column which shows chage in ranking from previous week and it will be a really cool toy. Not wholly reflective of the situation on the ground - morale, for example, is something supremely important but impossible to quantify - but a nice snapshot nonetheless.
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ElanMorin6
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:25:00 -
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Limit this to only count outpost systems, and you might have a good metric (you'd have to weight Sov4 much more heavily than 4 points though).
Right now all this says is that BoB likes to torture their logistics crew by spreading moon-mining POSs across as many systems as possible.
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Tanx0r
Caldari Mothers of Invention
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: sharkyballs Edited by: sharkyballs on 19/11/2007 22:10:52
i fail to see were i whined, but i sure didn't fail to show how (as said previously) just throwing random algebra together doesn't make since. your math doesn't prove anything. try again.
EDIT: and it doesn't matter how long the alliance lasts, that's not an option in your equation. if it was then it might make a difference.
So how do you sugest an alliance's vitality, strength, might or whatever you want to call it is best calculated?
If you have ANY better ideas I suggest you come up with em... This chart DOES more or less show how much influence any given alliance has, it being in a small or large territory. If you want more info you can even look it up on the map. But no, instead you totally focus on trying to figure out hypothetical situations and think up 1 man alliances who would hit a high spot in the chart. SUCH ALLIANCES DO NOT EXIST, don't try to be such a f$&^$*# wiseguy fgs.
At least I have given you all the honest numbers that are available out there. (members, systems, sov levels) which *SHOULD* indicate in some way what kind of alliances you're dealing with. You can clearly see the numbers, figure out the equations yourself if you don't like the calculated score. I don't care.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Maladora alliance k-d ****ery
youre such a fantastic mor.on for creating this
yup eve is now about being able to nap everybody around you and recruit every lunk head in a ship to allow you to totaly out blob your enemies.
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missionalt
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:31:00 -
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personally i think the best bit is that CVA is ranked between Tri and RAZOR.
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Dangerously Cheesey
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:32:00 -
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Just wait. Soon the Laser_Fitted_Rifters_Lost_In_Combat x Homosexual_Forum_Jokes_Per_Hour formula will come out and then we are gonna dominate.
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Abn Matar
Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tanx0r
Originally by: Abn Matar
Originally by: Tanx0r by average system population density
How is this calculated then?
Number of systems with sovereignty is in the database. Number of members is also in the database.
Density = members / systems.
So, now to the followup, whats the meaning of this system? If BoB comes first your biased towards that side and if Goons come first your biased towards that side. What are you some kind of american football/statistics fan?
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: missionalt personally i think the best bit is that CVA is ranked between Tri and RAZOR.
i thought cva only ran a nrds carebear policy?.
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Tanx0r
Caldari Mothers of Invention
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: ElanMorin6 Limit this to only count outpost systems, and you might have a good metric (you'd have to weight Sov4 much more heavily than 4 points though).
Right now all this says is that BoB likes to torture their logistics crew by spreading moon-mining POSs across as many systems as possible.
Weighing sov4 more heavily seems logical, good suggestion! I'll keep this in mind.
BoB using pets to nurture their systems is what makes them able to do other things elsewhere. That's quite clever actually and the one of the reasons they are as big as they are imo. Does this mean killing the pets will clip their wings? I don't know... guess there will just be new pets.
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Abn Matar
Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:35:00 -
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Tbh, i think the Serenty Steele s/p? ranking is better, is plain numbers, no "total" that shows whos the "best"...
SS > tanx0r score
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benzss
Templar Securities and Holdings Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: DaiTengu Edited by: DaiTengu on 19/11/2007 21:11:50 Your website has been rated www.daitengu.com/ratedwebsite.php
i expected this from you
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: marakor
Originally by: missionalt personally i think the best bit is that CVA is ranked between Tri and RAZOR.
i thought cva only ran a nrds carebear policy?.
There's nothing carebear about it...but it's definitely a bit of a laugh to have CVA "ranked" so decisively above the likes of MC and -A- in terms of power.
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missionalt
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: missionalt on 19/11/2007 22:40:22 Instead of just taking direct outpost/sovereignty counts, weight the counts depending on the value of systems in proximity to the alliance's holdings. The lower the trusec and the larger the number of belts of the systems within a few jumps of an outpost, the more valuable holding that outpost is. Bonus weighting if there's a COSMOS constellation or mission running hub close by.
Then divide that value by number of members.
If you wanted to go even further, pull data from each of the big alliance's killboards and count the number of unique battleship pilots or capital pilots and how often they appear on killmails. That should give you a good indicator of alliance activity & fleet strength.
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Phoenix Pryde
Caldari 3-I Area 42 Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:40:00 -
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*looks at the density of Mostly Harmless ... *
Coincidence ? Or maybe not ...
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Tanx0r
Caldari Mothers of Invention
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: missionalt personally i think the best bit is that CVA is ranked between Tri and RAZOR.
i thought cva only ran a nrds carebear policy?.
There's nothing carebear about it...but it's definitely a bit of a laugh to have CVA "ranked" so decisively above the likes of MC and -A- in terms of power.
Who ever said anything about power? These are plain numbers. Goons are the biggest, BoB have the most systems, etc. etc. Everyone knows MC have the skills to do pew pew. This chart is not about that as there is no amounts of kills/deaths of any kind involved. Why am I bothering to even write this down?
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missionalt
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tanx0r
Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: missionalt personally i think the best bit is that CVA is ranked between Tri and RAZOR.
i thought cva only ran a nrds carebear policy?.
There's nothing carebear about it...but it's definitely a bit of a laugh to have CVA "ranked" so decisively above the likes of MC and -A- in terms of power.
Who ever said anything about power? These are plain numbers. Goons are the biggest, BoB have the most systems, etc. etc. Everyone knows MC have the skills to do pew pew. This chart is not about that as there is no amounts of kills/deaths of any kind involved. Why am I bothering to even write this down?
because you made a ranking that didnt put everyone's alliance at #1 and for some reason you expected CAOD to not troll you
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Faith Black
Minmatar Rolls Roids
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: Faith Black on 19/11/2007 22:50:56 The questions, who you are allied with, who have you nap'ed and who wants to see you dead are also a big factor for these charts.
So actually an alliance is perhaps not that powerful, as it looks like, they just happen to have enough friends, who'd help them. There are some exceptions of course. But since MC was already mentioned, how many of those alliances would have a chance against someone like MC, if they were on their own ? Not many.
Well, in the end it doesn't matter ofc. It's not like the rating has any influence. It's like a k/d ratio, which doesn't show the full picture either and can be quite misleading sometimes.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: missionalt personally i think the best bit is that CVA is ranked between Tri and RAZOR.
i thought cva only ran a nrds carebear policy?.
There's nothing carebear about it...but it's definitely a bit of a laugh to have CVA "ranked" so decisively above the likes of MC and -A- in terms of power.
From intel ive seen you atm sticking 150 ships plus caps into sylph space to blob out a nice little 0.0 war in is-.
Do you not feel ashamed or have no self respect enough to let these smallish alliances duke it out in a nice little fight without you dropping a stupid blob in system and calling yourselves pvpers. Playing big bro should be benieth you if your such a good pvp alliance cos it allows the weak to prosper.
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Muesli Monster
Minmatar EvE Corporation 23846
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: marakor
Do you not feel ashamed or have no self respect enough to let these smallish alliances duke it out in a nice little fight without you dropping a stupid blob in system and calling yourselves pvpers. Playing big bro should be benieth you if your such a good pvp alliance cos it allows the weak to prosper.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: marakor on 19/11/2007 22:55:30
Originally by: Muesli Monster
Originally by: marakor
Do you not feel ashamed or have no self respect enough to let these smallish alliances duke it out in a nice little fight without you dropping a stupid blob in system and calling yourselves pvpers. Playing big bro should be benieth you if your such a good pvp alliance cos it allows the weak to prosper.
Says the BoB alt...
never been even a bob fan let alone a bob alt in fact just got another warning e-mail off the mods for my launguage to a bobite.
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.19 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Muesli Monster Says the BoB alt...
Only goons smack each other in public, well....I do have a go sometimes at my less than exquisite Band of Brethren posters.
I wouldn't think Marakor is a BoB alt, I suspect he is most likely someone in CVA.
:tinfoil:
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