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Taz Devlin
Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.11.07 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: disgruntled Eve player This is a decision that could only be made by a corporation that honestly doesn't give a damn.
No seriously, that's what CCP thinks is important to this game
The above quote was taken from these here forums(names removed to protect the innocent) And I got curious, how many here share this players sentiments?
Very basic question: Do you think CCP cares about Eve and it's community?
A) Yes they do.
B) Nope, only about where to get the next beer from.
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Delta3000
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.11.07 11:42:00 -
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I think its fair to say that in the past their ideals were more about customer satisfaction than profits, but that is slowly shifting towards a business ideology. It's a natural progression I think and they can't be faulted for it, there becomes more than just the customer's satisfaction at stake - investors, staff, expansion, etc.
I do think that they care more about their customer's than other MMO developers, but they're not the most caring. It's a crown I think they once held but lost it around the time the white wolf merger happened.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2007.11.07 11:43:00 -
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A
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Verone
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Posted - 2007.11.07 11:44:00 -
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A
If they didn't give a toss, why would they bother setting up fanfests or flying equipment and people half way across the world to run an alliance tournament every 6 months?
>>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
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Brutus Rotter
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.11.07 11:47:00 -
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A
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Stakhanov
The Good Fellas
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Posted - 2007.11.07 11:47:00 -
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It's not so simple. Well , the ewar & sensor script changes are simply bad but I think CCP are in a rush to complete Trinity before xmas. Also , the interaction between the community and the devs must have dropped in quality (outside the fanfest ?) because of anonymity , and less than ideal "feedback" on the forums.
However , I am surprised that none of the many playing devs (those out there on TQ hunting people all day) vetoed inadequate changes implemented on sisi. Even if they can't , you'd think they have enough influence to be heard.
Originally by: F'nog One does not simply log into Jita.
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Verone A
If they didn't give a toss, why would they bother setting up fanfests or flying equipment and people half way across the world to run an alliance tournament every 6 months?
money?
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Saint Luka
The Illuminati. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 11:51:00 -
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Community? No.
Getting paid? Human nature isn't it? -
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2007.11.07 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Xtreem money?
Is why they care about us.
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Corewin
Gallente Deathwatch Inc. Black-Out
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Posted - 2007.11.07 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Xtreem
Originally by: Verone A
If they didn't give a toss, why would they bother setting up fanfests or flying equipment and people half way across the world to run an alliance tournament every 6 months?
money?
You are correct good sir!
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Mia Neffzen
The Black Ops
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Posted - 2007.11.07 11:56:00 -
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A
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Usshari
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.11.07 11:57:00 -
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A.
Money is obviosuly a factor since it isnt a non profit organisation (can i get a DUH?), but I firmly believe CCP is very involved with the game and its community is a passionate way.
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Karen Serasia
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Posted - 2007.11.07 11:59:00 -
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A to a certain extent as it's what keeps us playing thus paying (untill they start sending Wangler over to jab needle full of dopamine into our spinal cords hourly.)
But really, they probably don't care nearly as much as people like to think since at the end of the day there are probably gonna be 5 more people/alts to replace you after your gone.
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2007.11.07 12:00:00 -
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I think it comes down to communication of which CCP can be very good with at times, but when you have all these impending changes that majority of eve's player base have not asked for and are unhappy about plus with the CCP have never given a real sense of where this is all going, you have to wonder sometimes.
At the end of the day, its the player base that what makes eve what it is today, without that EVE would be no more. Having said that, I think where entitled to some say of what direction we would like to play eve.
At the end of the day its the long term players who have spent months training for a ship only to find that they have a few weeks/days before major changes to the ship, that really feel the effects. Since i'm sure most would not train for a ship and fittings for it months on end if they knew huge changes where forth coming.
I sure most people here have friends who are playing eve that will make there decision of if there going to stay or not, when Rev3 comes out.
Risky move IMO, why change something that don't need to be nerfed that the majority of eve players use and are happy about.
Hopefully it won't end up like bombs , I mean when is the last time you saw a bomb on the KM from a ship that went pop.
Would it be correct to say lots of people are unhappy with the direction Eve looks like its heading .. only need to read this forum to find the answer to that.
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Gunzoid
Caldari Militaris Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.07 12:00:00 -
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I think they care about the community, but just a certain portion. Why would they make all the changes to prevent solo PVP? Because they wanted to make it more fun for carebears and less fun for PVPers. They would get less of the "OMG I got killed, I'm quitting eve!" and more of the "This game is easy and fun!", hence increasing profits. But heh, you can't satisfy everybody at once, you just gotta make sure you satisfy the bigger crowd.
Thats my personal opinion anyway.
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Missy X
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Posted - 2007.11.07 12:01:00 -
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The question is not applicable. Caring about money and caring about the community in the context of an MMORPG are not mutually exclusive, and are in fact deeply inter-related.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Species 5618 R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.07 12:03:00 -
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Go play a game run by sony that isnt everquest. Then come tell me that CCP isnt a billion times better then SOE. Soe only cared about everquest games. a huge amount of planetside's fan base believe that soe used the $$$ from our subs to fund projects for the eq players. we got in game ads to boost "development" but got nothing for a year but eq got even ***er horses and hotter elf chicks to beat off to. lots of expansions for eq, nothing for ps, kinda makes you think.
AS for CCP balancing things, chances are its needed nerfs in addition to adjustments needed for future content. if you nerf something in game now, a future counter or t3model wont have to be game breaking in order to be "good".
CCP doesnt want this to be "Carrier-Online" good for them. they are thinking about the future of their product. those greedy filthy *****s!! how dare they try fixing things now before its deemed unfixable in the future!!!! SHAME O N YOU CCP!!!
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Hanno Mir
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Posted - 2007.11.07 12:03:00 -
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Think about what your saying, CCP is a business and like all businesses they want (indeed, need) money, that being said they wouldn't do anything to sabotage themselves. Therefore I believe customer satisfaction is their top priority.
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Reverend Revelator
Elite Storm Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.11.07 12:06:00 -
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First of all, there exists no 'CCP' to care for us. What there is, is a bunch of employees working for a company called CCP.
The primary motivation for these employees is to get a paycheck every month. This is the primary motivation of all employees all over the world, and I fail to see why ppl working for CCP would be different. Also, remember that these employees get paid the same no matter what happens, as long as the company doesn't go bankrupt. If EVE expands to 100 million subs, and gets awarded the Nobel Peace Price, there might be a small celebratory party with some alcohol and maybe, juuuust maybe, a T-shirt that says 'The Shareholders Of My Company Made Trillions, And All I Got Was This Stupid T-Shirt'.
Secondary motivation is to NOT get called into the bosses office and have to explain what they are doing, or not doing. If the nerf decisions come from the boss, and most likely they do, then arguing about it is just going to keep you in his office for longer, might **** him off and give him the excuse to give you an even ****tier assignment than what you already got, and is anyways highly unlikely to produce a positive result for you personally.
Tertiary motivation is to not **** off your fellow cow-orkers so much they retaliate by sabotaging you, or making your life a living utter hell, in other words to go along to get along.
As for caring, I mean really caring, about customers? The same customers who flame the everlasting **** out of them every single time there is any kind of change, or when there is no change, in fact flame them 24/7 year round for no discernible reason? Yeah right...
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Verone
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Posted - 2007.11.07 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Xtreem
Originally by: Verone A
If they didn't give a toss, why would they bother setting up fanfests or flying equipment and people half way across the world to run an alliance tournament every 6 months?
money?
You obviously don't even have the slightest grasp of how much time, and cost go into producing an alliance tournament, or the fanfest.
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.11.07 12:09:00 -
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A
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Stakhanov
The Good Fellas
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Posted - 2007.11.07 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Reverend Revelator As for caring, I mean really caring, about customers? The same customers who flame the everlasting **** out of them every single time there is any kind of change, or when there is no change, in fact flame them 24/7 year round for no discernible reason? Yeah right...
QFT. I really don't blame them for not replying to the mass of threads that tries to summon them. Still , that doesn't excuse an illogical / unclear stance on game changes.
I don't think they despise us , though. The visible obnoxious posters are a minority , they know about it.
Originally by: F'nog One does not simply log into Jita.
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Jherek Cornelian
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.11.07 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Brutus Rotter Edited by: Brutus Rotter on 07/11/2007 12:03:47
CCP do a lot for lager developers and publishers.
I couldn't resist :)
Oh and A.
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Val Vympel
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Posted - 2007.11.07 12:18:00 -
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A.
It will be a sad day when/if they no longer do. I like the genre of this game,this however is not what keeps me paying and playing.
I play because I like the skill based system and the fact that CCP has not become a bloated greed monster....yet
Unmitigated greed and boardroom politics obliterated SWG. If that business approach could deep six a game with the name recognition of "Star Wars"...EVE wouldn't stand a chance if it adopted the same mentality...regardless of the MMO niche it has carved out.
Just my opinion
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000Hunter000
Gallente Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.11.07 12:18:00 -
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LOL!!!
I love EVE, but if u think ccp is in this business for the friendly community, then ur all sadly mistaken.
Like someone said, i get the feeling there shifting more and more to the 'making money' side.
Anyways i think we should only start to worry when there starting to hire outside people who have never played nor ever will play the game. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.11.07 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: SoftRevolution on 07/11/2007 12:23:29 On a pragmatic level they have to "care" (or do a very good impression of) because that is part and parcel of making their game a success.
It's an online game. It has a persistent world. Much of the job of organising the gameworld falls to players. Also it's a niche product.
"Caring" about the community is very much in the job description.
I'd almost go as far as to say a decent community and a good relationship with the community is something you'd consider an "asset" for a brand like EVE.
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Mag's
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.11.07 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Mag''s on 07/11/2007 12:22:29
Originally by: Taz Devlin
Originally by: disgruntled Eve player This is a decision that could only be made by a corporation that honestly doesn't give a damn.
No seriously, that's what CCP thinks is important to this game
The above quote was taken from these here forums(names removed to protect the innocent) And I got curious, how many here share this players sentiments?
Very basic question: Do you think CCP cares about Eve and it's community?
A) Yes they do.
B) Nope, only about where to get the next beer from.
Lo bud.
I would say A. But as the player base has grown, so has CCP, and the gap of understanding between both is now becoming an issue.
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Xtreem
Originally by: Verone A and other postings.....
money?
You obviously don't even have the slightest grasp of how much time, and cost go into producing an alliance tournament, or the fanfest.
You're naive to think, that money doesn't factor in what they do, tbh.
Edit: bad posting from me.
Mag's
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Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.07 12:24:00 -
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They have alot invested in Eve-Online and they want it to be as fun and playable as humanly possible. This is someone's nest-egg and retirement fund, and the trust fund they're going to pass on to their children.
They don't care about your pretty eyes.
When you go to your job at McDonalds, do you give a schit about the guy who just walked in and ordered a Big Mac?
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Drykor
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.11.07 12:25:00 -
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Bit of a poor way of doing a poll, do you honestly think anyone is gonna vote B and make himself look like a ****? Of course CCP doesn't only care about beer, but money and care for community aren't mutually exclusive, in fact quite the opposite.
I do think that they are getting slightly tired of Eve though, it's not the same enthusiasm as when they started and you can't really expect that. I just hope enough remains to still continue in the right direction.
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr The Wild Hunt
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Posted - 2007.11.07 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: Cygnus Zhada on 07/11/2007 12:31:07 Some thoughts;
- when a company gets bigger you HAVE to switch to a more business-like model - why on earth would they want/have to listen to the whining/ranting/no-clue a$$hats who haven't got the slightest ideas of actual facts, but are only interested in short term gains. - CCP are thinking long-term with the game in mind, (most) players think short term with their own personal benefits in mind. So yeah, CCP ain't gonna listen much. - when people whine about something that happened to them most of the times they will 'leave out' (ok, lie) some quite important details, but everyone will bandwagon onto the whine anyway.
The BEST thing for any MMO developer is to NEVER listen to their customers. They can take hints from them and perhaps accept some testing data if it's done by someone who's objective (which almost never happens) but apart from that and because of the above points CCP should not listen to us, the playerbase.
Does that give them a freebee on underperfoming on their service department? no, ofcourse not. It shouldn't take a week to get a petition answered but then I guess 85% of the petitions are something like "Hi, I'm stupid and lost my ship because of it, can you please give it back to me". That really doesn't help their queue.
Imo (and it's been stated before), do away with the ship reimbursement alltogether. That will free up a lot of GM/petition resources.
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