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HELLBOUNDMAN
AWESOM-O 4000 Robotics
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:31:00 -
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Give players an option just like with captain's quarters that allows us to turn it off and go back to the standard Neocom.
Much like with CQ, I don't like it and serves no actual purpose other than making it prettier than the old neocom.
However, for people like me, it feels a bit sloppy and unorganized.
I would rather CCP just take the old neocom and make it look a little prettier, but leave the overall functionality of it alone.
Again though, this probably won't happen, so just give me the option to turn off the new neocom in exchange for having the old neocom back... Just like bringing back station spinning, which was the greatest descision since...well....station spinning. |
Yoshihito
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:34:00 -
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Yes, please! I was just coming on the forums to ***** about this. I log on to change my skills and then I get this update to the Neocom which personally sucks ass imho. I don't like it and I want the option to have the old look. I know you can scale it but it's either too small, or too big and you don't get to see the actual tab names without mousing over it... Please CCP, give us the option to switch back to the old or you will lose players, starting with me! |
armacitis
Black Anvil Industries LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 00:00:00 -
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I support this. The new neocom was forced on us like entering captain's quarters,but it can't be disabled. I for one liked it the way it always was,and while the option to rearrange and resize and so on is nice,it should be just that,an option. |
muhadin
the united Negative Ten.
45
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Posted - 2012.01.26 00:17:00 -
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There isn't really much difference between the two, anything you had on the neocom before you can have it on it now, and anything that gets minimized, goes to the neocom. Except now it is much more sleek looking, and soon you will beable to have it on the top and bottom of your screen. "Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love" |
Nephilius
Grey Legionaires
302
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Posted - 2012.01.26 01:18:00 -
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I'm okay with the new one. Pretty easy to use, and I like how some things are sub-categorized. I'm going to hang out in F&I for awhile...less crazy there right now. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
159
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Posted - 2012.01.26 01:24:00 -
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muhadin wrote:There isn't really much difference between the two, anything you had on the neocom before you can have it on it now, and anything that gets minimized, goes to the neocom. Except now it is much more sleek looking, and soon you will beable to have it on the top and bottom of your screen.
What this guy said.
I like the new one. |
HELLBOUNDMAN
AWESOM-O 4000 Robotics
16
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Posted - 2012.01.26 01:38:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:muhadin wrote:There isn't really much difference between the two, anything you had on the neocom before you can have it on it now, and anything that gets minimized, goes to the neocom. Except now it is much more sleek looking, and soon you will beable to have it on the top and bottom of your screen. What this guy said. I like the new one.
This is why I specified to have an option to turn off the Neocom.
That way the people that like the new Neocom can keep it and the ones that don't can turn it off.
Simple fix and everyone is happy |
muhadin
the united Negative Ten.
47
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Posted - 2012.01.26 01:46:00 -
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HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:Danika Princip wrote:muhadin wrote:There isn't really much difference between the two, anything you had on the neocom before you can have it on it now, and anything that gets minimized, goes to the neocom. Except now it is much more sleek looking, and soon you will beable to have it on the top and bottom of your screen. What this guy said. I like the new one. This is why I specified to have an option to turn off the Neocom. That way the people that like the new Neocom can keep it and the ones that don't can turn it off. Simple fix and everyone is happy
My point is there is no point in wasting resources by making it possible to switch back n forth between new and old, when the new one is perfectly fine the way it is. "Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love" |
HELLBOUNDMAN
AWESOM-O 4000 Robotics
16
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:36:00 -
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muhadin wrote:
My point is there is no point in wasting resources by making it possible to switch back n forth between new and old, when the new one is perfectly fine the way it is.
My point is that there are many people who dont' agree with you on that fact, but this is one of those things that CCP can do something about without messing the game up, so everyone is happy.
You're trying to stop a suggestion that changes nothing for you, only for those of us who wish for it to change... |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Limitless Inc.
240
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:59:00 -
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HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:muhadin wrote:
My point is there is no point in wasting resources by making it possible to switch back n forth between new and old, when the new one is perfectly fine the way it is.
My point is that there are many people who dont' agree with you on that fact, but this is one of those things that CCP can do something about without messing the game up, so everyone is happy. You're trying to stop a suggestion that changes nothing for you, only for those of us who wish for it to change...
Agree. I posted in another thread here on how CCP can improve the new Neocom as well. It has multiple issues as is. For example, even tho I'd love to be able to customize my UI as much as possible, this new Neocon forces alot of crap on us even if we turn it off. I can turn off fleet, etc, so it won't show on the left. But soon as I join a fleet - boom, it pops up and clutter up the interface. Open a cargo? Open cargo + corp hangar + loot can + station containers etc? They ALL show up on the Neocom. And you can't remove them, without closing the cans.. or the fleet.. etc.
So yah, OP is right, and you're wrong muhadin. The new Neocom does not do the same things as the old, in fact it adds alot of unecessary **** that clutters everything up. When it stops adding alot of unecessary crap, and when it's really customizeable and not forcing stuff on you, then I'd be more likely to agree with you. But for now, the OP has a valid point. this is a signature |
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Isabelle Evotori
Republic University Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2012.01.26 06:34:00 -
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i don't support this.
Adapt or die.... Darwin |
Rina Asanari
State War Academy Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2012.01.26 07:52:00 -
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The new NeoCom reminds me much of the Windows 7 taskbar, though it's lacking the option to stick the "application" of a currently open window to it. Like, if you've opened the notepad from the "Start" menu (yes, I'm using that comparison intentionally!) because it's missing in the NeoCom bar it should be possible to right-click on the icon and have a menu entry like "stick to NeoCom bar" available.
Really, if you're accustomed to how Windows 7 handles windows and applications this shouldn't be that much of a problem to manage the new NeoCom.
What, still using Windows XP? Time to upgrade.
(As a side note, it looks eerily similar to Ubuntu's Unity desktop as well. Though to my relief it didn't copy Unity's epic fail of how to access different applications.) |
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.01.26 08:20:00 -
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The first devblog, month ago, was, that you are able to switch between the old esteblished and the new 'Beta' Version of the NeoCom in the ESC-menue. Unfortunately this was not so handled now.
Evidence : DevBlog and Picture
Quote:ItGÇÿs still in BETA
I am also absolut disappointed about this proceeding. Because:
- The new neocom is new but absolute NOT better. Far from it! - Groups can not be renamed? Why? Forgotten? In a customizable Neocom? - The names of the buttons are missing. Missing! In a customizable Neocom? - Too small charpic - The useless Chaticon cant be removed. In a customizable Neocom? (only removeable with a unusually trick) - Icons for items and ship hangar are fixed on a maximal inappropriate position. In a customizable Neocom?
Why do CCP call this mess customizable, when nearly nothing is customizable? I am not able to "customize" the look and functionality like the old, known and loved neocom. Why?
As a customizeable NeoCom I would like to re arrange the new one EXACT the same look, as it was before. Because you can not use this mess of blinky little buttons without names.
Before these chages, CCP should not be allowed to call this thing: Customizable NeoCom. |
Dok Klick
Dok Klick Corporation
1
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Posted - 2012.01.26 08:47:00 -
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Callidus Dux wrote:
I am also absolut disappointed about this proceeding. Because:
- The new neocom is new but absolute NOT better. Far from it! - Groups can not be renamed? Why? Forgotten? In a customizable Neocom? - The names of the buttons are missing. Missing! In a customizable Neocom? - Too small charpic - The useless Chaticon cant be removed. In a customizable Neocom? (only removeable with a unusually trick) - Icons for items and ship hangar are fixed on a maximal inappropriate position. In a customizable Neocom?
All you said is true.
And I dont understand why new neocom likers write in *this* Thread. |
Carinosa Peligrosa
Smath and Balt Holding Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 10:25:00 -
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Unfortunately I posted my complaints in the Macintosh thread, but it looks like you Windows users aren't happy with it, either.
Actually, I'm mostly satisfied, except for the stupid, slow, animated way that the main Neocom menu loads. Crap doesn't have to fade in and off my screen. Just draw the menu, for crying out loud!
I can (and do) turn off all of the eye-candy in Windows, but it looks like I'm forced to be stuck with it in Eve?
Okay, enough whining. There's a very good reason for not gradually drawing the menu. Start by browsing the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsiveness article.
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Borg Stoneson
SWARTA Mostly Clueless
19
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Posted - 2012.01.26 13:39:00 -
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muhadin wrote: My point is there is no point in wasting resources by making it possible to switch back n forth between new and old, when the new one is perfectly fine the way it is.
Just out of curiosity what resources would be wasted?
I prefered the old neocom, I didn't need to set it up for each character, it didn't flash at me, it didn't steal my minimised tabs. If the new one's better for you, great, but don't inflict it upon the rest of us. |
Nestara Aldent
The Scope Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.01.26 14:06:00 -
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HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:Give players an option just like with captain's quarters that allows us to turn it off and go back to the standard Neocom.
Much like with CQ, I don't like it and serves no actual purpose other than making it prettier than the old neocom.
However, for people like me, it feels a bit sloppy and unorganized.
I would rather CCP just take the old neocom and make it look a little prettier, but leave the overall functionality of it alone.
Again though, this probably won't happen, so just give me the option to turn off the new neocom in exchange for having the old neocom back... Just like bringing back station spinning, which was the greatest descision since...well....station spinning.
Supported. I'd switch to an old one instantly.
I can't have the text on the neocom buttons anymore, so really new ui isn't an improvement for me.
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HELLBOUNDMAN
AWESOM-O 4000 Robotics
20
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Posted - 2012.01.26 17:41:00 -
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After playing with it more last night, here are the issues I have with it.
1) I don't like that I can see through it. I like the old opaque one. It is entirely too transparent making it a bit difficult to even see the icons, let alone make out blinking and minimized windows which are mentioned further down.
2) I HATE that there is a link for the chat windows.... not only do I have the tabs blinking which annoys me cause I feel like I have to constantly check them, but now I have the icon blinking as well...
3) When the icons on the neocom are blinking they're so faint that I can't distinctly tell that they're blinking, so i'm constantly clicking on icons that I think are blinking that really aren't
4) When you minimize something now, it drops it to the neocom instead of the bottom of the screen. This wouldn't be so bad, but the problem is, like with the blinking Icons, it's so faint that you can't tell if you have that icon minimized, or if you closed it.
5) I'm pretty sure that the skill training bar is f'd up. When in your skill training menu, if you have a skill that takes longer than 24hrs, the bar at the top is solid blue. however, the neocom bar won't show that it's completely full.. So what measurement of time is it using???
6) When docked I have it selected to merge my ships and items with the station service panel... So why the hell do I have items and ships icons on my neocom??
7) Minimizing containers drops them on the neocom... This gets to be pretty annoying with several containers.
8) Instead of having some icons and then one icon with a sub folder which contains the calculator, notepad, logs, and whatever else, now I have an icon that shows a sub folder, and then more icons that show other sub folders....
9) While it's great that you can drag and drop icons onto your neocom, why the hell do I need to??? It was all there perfectly laid out with the old Neocom...
10) WTF is the point in a customizable neocom when all you're going to do is try to get it as close to the old neocom as possible? Wtf is the point of a customizable neocom when nothing on the neocom is different from what used to be on the neocom?? WTF is the point of customization when the only thing customizable about it is button locations??? This is the most limited customizable item I've ever seen.... You have a better selection for character customization in the NeX store than you have customization for the neocom, and anyone who's been to the NeX store knows that it is quite limited...
To me, there are two things good about it.
1) I can rearrange my icons (only true customizable part, you just gotta find the icons first)
2) It shows your training bar and it can be clicked to open straight to your training que(this is pretty awesome, even though I have no idea what measurement of time that bar is trying to show me.) Is it time left for that skill? Is it supposed to be a 24hr bar like in the skill que, or is it messed up?? IDK. |
HELLBOUNDMAN
AWESOM-O 4000 Robotics
21
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Posted - 2012.01.27 16:55:00 -
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
5575
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Posted - 2012.01.27 17:00:00 -
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If it was customisable as it's meant to be, this wouldn't be an issue. But as always CCP shoot themselves in the foot and give us some half baked hash job. I thought they had learnt from the past and moved on from this.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
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HELLBOUNDMAN
AWESOM-O 4000 Robotics
20
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Posted - 2012.01.27 17:01:00 -
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Mag's wrote:If it was customisable as it's meant to be, this wouldn't be an issue. But as always CCP shoot themselves in the foot and give us some half baked hash job. I thought they had learnt from the past and moved on from this.
LOLOLOLOL
it's funny cause it's true |
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.01.28 17:42:00 -
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OK CCP.. end this farce. You had your fun with annoying your customers with crap that they have never asked for. Time to roll back the old NeoCom and burn the stupid names of our well known ammunition and modules.
Did your still learned nothing from your last: "CCP's game - CCP's will" diplomacy? Did you ever heard something about: "The customer is always right?"
Your changes, how noble and usefull you thought they might be, are absolute not helpful. We all know, that your first tryings where never intent to be endproducts! Do as you have promised in your first Dev Blog. Make this BETA a real BETA! Make this first try detachable in the ESC-Menue. This will bring you and your customer time to give useful suggestions to improve your original idea and will lead to a smoother crossover to the new. You have the old codes for the beloved NeoCom.. use it again and use the time to improve your new NeoWhatEver. |
Vizvayu Koga
40
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Posted - 2012.01.28 20:10:00 -
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I think the best solution is to suggest improvements to the new neocom. Having legacy code working on a zombie state is not a good idea, and having two different neocoms to maintain is even worst. So, better let devs know what you think is wrong and how to fix it and hope everybody else's like your ideas ;)
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HELLBOUNDMAN
AWESOM-O 4000 Robotics
20
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Posted - 2012.01.28 21:05:00 -
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Vizvayu Koga wrote:I think the best solution is to suggest improvements to the new neocom. Having legacy code working on a zombie state is not a good idea, and having two different neocoms to maintain is even worst. So, better let devs know what you think is wrong and how to fix it and hope everybody else's like your ideas ;)
The don't need to work on the old neocom... All they need to do is allow us to put it back to how it was, and then leave it the hell alone cause it worked just fine for us. |
Vizvayu Koga
40
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Posted - 2012.01.28 22:15:00 -
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HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:Vizvayu Koga wrote:I think the best solution is to suggest improvements to the new neocom. Having legacy code working on a zombie state is not a good idea, and having two different neocoms to maintain is even worst. So, better let devs know what you think is wrong and how to fix it and hope everybody else's like your ideas ;)
The don't need to work on the old neocom... All they need to do is allow us to put it back to how it was, and then leave it the hell alone cause it worked just fine for us.
Yes I understand what you want but unfortunately that's not how software development works. If they keep the old code working, they have to maintain it and keep it in mind for every future development. It's not as easy as leave and forget.
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