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Maggot
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.10.18 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ashimar Lanora
To be completely honest I feel the Minmatar community is too full of IC AND OOC matched feelings (i.e. I don't like you IC, and I really don't like you OOC) to develop into a strong (IC or OOC) foundation. U'K had something going but I fear their lack of PvP ability hurt their bid for 0.0 space.
The negative OOC feelings are very recent. For most of the last 4 years we have been good friends OOC. A line was crossed when RP interpretations of what was acceptable in a mutual war differed. CVA views that it was just following RP of empire building. U'K views that CVA brought in entities that had nothing to do with the RP war to kill them off. The two view points cannot be reconciled and have had a huge effect on the people involved. Those OOC feelings are not going to go away until the player base and leadership is replaced through attrition. Bridges have been atomised.
Please elaborate our our lack of PvP ability - as far as I can see all we lacked was the numbers to deal with the gangbang we faced.
I do agree with the orginal poster's quote though - game mechanics are to blame and not just differing views on 'the sandbox'.
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Maggot
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.10.20 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Roxelana
If you RP a xenophobic, racist Amarr, you are not going to welcome "inferior" other races into your player-run corporation.
Or you could just say, to hell with it, and recruit any corp or anyone under the banner of your RP and beat your enemy through numbers. Winning is more important and with some good PR and public appearances hopefully no-one will notice.
Yep, think I saw that movie somewhere.
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Maggot
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.10.20 09:56:00 -
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Octavinus,
The issue is when you bring any old corp that have no real interaction on the RP front it becomes "just another 0.0 alliance" with no real identity other than "we hold xxx area and are allied with A, B, and C", admittedly CVA are still a bit "better" than that but only just.
I agree that we can't live in a sandbox, but if you claim to be a RP organisation then you will be judged by your standards, wether you care or not.
The path taken dilutes the sense of belief in the conflict, its down to the level of "pew pew".
Maggot.
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Maggot
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.10.20 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Darius Shakor Reading back I would ask that my former compatriots in the U'K, and the oposite numbers in the Amarr side of things, not revisit the U'K/CVA argument on a public forum. Points have been made and have not changed. If they need to be made again then we all know where it is best to make tham and it is not here.
U'K and CVA falling out ooc, including the reasons why, is not a baromiter of RP dying in EVE due to 0.0 mechanics. It is just how this particular incident turned out when it could have easily gone in many different directions. It was a player created issue guys. Not an EVE created one.
The lack of change in positions is irrelevant to this discussion. The falling out is clearly due to a mix of 0.0 mechanics and player actions/egos.
CVA wanted U'K out. The mechanics of POS warfare meant that CVA could not dislodge U'K without casting their Summon The Gangbang spell, whilst wearing their pointed hat of course.
Karn views that battle in a different light, which is a damn good thing.
Cosmopolite said it was the war in which "RP came of age". I understand where he is coming from but its a future in which we are being pushed down paths I don't like.
"You lost. So what. Get over it Maggot!" you might say. But the current situation leaves very tough choices for a RP organisation to keep in the game if they want to keep true to their self inflicted crippling choices.
At the moment its either A) Join the blob, or B) Do the same **** you have been doing for the last 4 years.
Maybe some ray of light will be given at this years fanfest.
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Maggot
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.10.20 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
It could equally be argued that the POS mechanics give SF and other anti-territoralists the perfect opportunity to knock alliances down a peg of two by destroying their infrastructure.
Rodj, I dont really think you have any experience of POS attacks unless you have been on the side of the blob. It is unlikely that any of the non-territorial groups could take down a decent enemey's POS unless they and their allies were all on holiday for a week.
Unless you seriously screw up - the big guy wins every time.
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