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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.30 18:43:00 -
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So, i thought this would require it's own personal thread.
Interdictors.
Every race out there can fit their interdictors, pretty much with their own racial specialty.
Minmatar have a turret one(projectiles). Caldari have a missile one(dun dun duuu) Gallente have(i think?) only drone interdictor. And amarr WILL have a missile one.
Now, this is the problem. Other races don't REALLY have to train a non-spesific weapon system to use an interdictor, but come khanid mrk II, amarr have to.
I'm not saying it's a totally wrong thing, yes yes, all those khanid things aside...
NOW. I think, it wouldn't be too much to ask, to get another ship into this branch of ships.
Ofcourse, it would mean all races would want one, but especially the amarr would be in need of a turret interdictor.
I'm not totally in the wrong here am i?
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Jai Cee
Quam Singulari M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.30 18:46:00 -
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The Gallente interdictor is a split missile/turret boat with space for a single drone. Gallente uses missiles even less than Amarr!
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Lance Fighter
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Posted - 2007.07.30 18:48:00 -
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Why not give the amarr a viziam dictor? I think those have lots of turrets and armor :)
Being a Fleet Commander and a Arbitrator pilot are the same thing - The only difference being that the Fleet Commander commands other people, and the people actually listen to him. |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.30 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jai Cee The Gallente interdictor is a split missile/turret boat with space for a single drone. Gallente uses missiles even less than Amarr!
You're quite right, read the dronespace wrong.
That ship design you have, would be rather(almost) perfect for a second amarr dictor
Honestly your dictor ain't that hot either
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.30 18:51:00 -
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Well, this issue is extremely minor anyway, compared to others khanid changes. You use a dictor for it's bubble launcher, not for pure combat. If my corp wasn't producing dictors, I'd almost prefer one that has inferior dps, at it would be much cheaper... ------------------------------------------
What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs. |
Valerian Xavier
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.30 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Gallente have(i think?) only drone interdictor.
I'm not totally in the wrong here am i?
Yes. Yes you are.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.30 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword Well, this issue is extremely minor anyway, compared to others khanid changes. You use a dictor for it's bubble launcher, not for pure combat. If my corp wasn't producing dictors, I'd almost prefer one that has inferior dps, at it would be much cheaper...
Well, it's the only equivelant to an upgraded destroyer out there
That's why an 7-8 turret dictor would be nice, from a laserhumping amarr that is.
Yes the gallente dictor is as crappy as the khanid dictor is now, agreed. though i'd rather have that then what we have.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Rania Serlia
World Order The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.07.30 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter Why not give the amarr a viziam dictor? I think those have lots of turrets and armor :)
Because it would be a waste to recolor the heretic to gaudy gold when it is a perfectly sexy black ship right now.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.30 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rania Serlia
Originally by: Lance Fighter Why not give the amarr a viziam dictor? I think those have lots of turrets and armor :)
Because it would be a waste to recolor the heretic to gaudy gold when it is a perfectly sexy black ship right now.
Actually i was thinking more of a, well, like the crusader?
Red, gold'ish, real sports model like the rest of the other t2's
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Deschenus Maximus
Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.07.30 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Rania Serlia
Originally by: Lance Fighter Why not give the amarr a viziam dictor? I think those have lots of turrets and armor :)
Because it would be a waste to recolor the heretic to gaudy gold when it is a perfectly sexy black ship right now.
Actually i was thinking more of a, well, like the crusader?
Red, gold'ish, real sports model like the rest of the other t2's
That's Carthum's colours.
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Murukan
Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2007.07.30 19:06:00 -
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Edited by: Murukan on 30/07/2007 19:07:06 i'de much rather keep the heretic an absolute ball of **** as it keeps them really cheap. Dictors aren't meant to be pwn machines so i could really careless if my heretic can't kill anything bigger than a shuttle as long as it can drop a bubble. Everytime i wish it would be better i look at the fact that sabres cost more than a heretic and kit by a long shot.
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Rania Serlia
World Order The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.07.30 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Rania Serlia on 30/07/2007 19:08:08 Khanid ships are the exception, and to be honest, I wouldn't mind new interdictors for the other ship corps(thinking of a creodron catylst based dictor makes me happy in the pants), but I like the heretic all black and meanacing, like the rest of teh khanid ships.
Actually, two dictors per race seems good to me, I mean we have two recons, two HACs, two CBCs, two 'ceptors etc...
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.07.30 19:59:00 -
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Here's a serious question: Can that new Heretic actually pop interceptors and frigs? I don't use missiles, (yet) but I could have sworn hearing that MWDing inties move way too fast for missiles to hit.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.30 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 30/07/2007 20:03:17 Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 30/07/2007 20:02:52
Originally by: Rania Serlia Actually, two dictors per race seems good to me, I mean we have two recons, two HACs, two CBCs, two 'ceptors etc...
Exactly my point. I don't want to change the khanid, or complain about the change, but what would make me all for the change in khanid is the chance of choosing my ship/weapon preference.
With AF i got the retribution. With inties i got the crusader. With HACs i got the mhmmhmhm With command ships, there's the mahamnnation Even with blockade runners there's two choices for petes sake.
So the interdictor having a "other choice to choose from" would be logical, rather easy to implement and...well...just right thing to do.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.30 20:22:00 -
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So...am i guessing...noone ACTUALLY ahs a problem with this?
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Mr Krosis
The humble Crew Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.31 09:32:00 -
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The only problem I have, is that this is going to make the price of the Heretic go up
Right now my dictor pilot can fly Sabre, Flycatcher, and Heretic. I always keep Heretics around as a more cheap/disposable version.
With only 4 turret / 5 launcher hardpoints now, its hard to say pilots don't need to cross train to missiles anyway. Unfortunatly, the Heretic sucks for CPU, and the only fit I managed to come up with that didn't require a fitting mod in low slot was 4 dual pulse II, 3 rocket launcher II. If this change with the increased CPU means I'll be able to fit 6 launchers without a cpu upgrade, I welcome it.
-- Mr Krosis The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge. |
Mary Makepeace
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.07.31 10:57:00 -
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Quote: Heretic (Interdictor)
* Hardpoints: 6 launchers (+1), 2 turrets (-2) * Fitting: 230tf (+19tf), 57mw (-9mw)
Bonuses
* 5% bonus to rocket damage per DD level * 10% bonus to explosion velocity per DD level * 10% bonus to missile velocity per Interdictor level * 10% Interdiction Sphere Launcher ROF per Interdictor level (no change)
The Heretic has similar bonuses to the Flycatcher, but the rockets only damage bonus and the low CPU makes rockets more suitable than standard missiles. The Explosion velocity bonus makes the Heretic better for taking down high speed targets vs. low speed, low signature radius targets for the Flycatcher.
its a rocket platform and t2 rockets are the quickest t2 weapon system to train.
missile launcher opperation (rank 1) lvl 1 rockets (rank 1) lvl 5 rocket specialization (rank 3) lvl1
also any of the guided skills don't help, so the only support skills you need are missile bombardment (rank 2) missile projection (rank 4, MLO lvl 3 req) rapid launch (rank 2, MLO lvl 2 req) warhead upgrade (rank 5, MLO lvl 4 req)
it really ain't that hard a train. i get 1 months training time to get them all at 4 for an alt, including learning skills.
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Lord Loom
Loom Service Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.07.31 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones So...am i guessing...noone ACTUALLY ahs a problem with this?
As you might guess, I don't - dictors are meant to be bubble dispensers, not ipwnall platforms of doom. I do agree that they lack(ed) design focus, when the Sabre is the only one that's both bubble dispenser and an awesome point defense ship for its racial guns, the Flycatcher a good ship for one of Caldari's racial weapons, and the Heretic Mk.I and Eris craptastic ships with split weapons. As much as you like it or not, "unguided" missiles are an Amarr weapon system now, and the Heretic will profit greatly. Only remaining oddity is the Eris, I dunno who in their right mind designed those Roden ships but I don't want to see yet another pwnall droneship either.
Heretic Mk.II is fine ---------- KEEP TRY!!!
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