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Saul E'ssiar
Amarr AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.07.22 17:43:00 -
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Remember, sharing your username and password is a EULA violation.
What is this ? I pay for the account, this account is mine to do as i wish, you might own the chars but the account should be mine. I would like this explained to me more why you (CCP) think this is legit and in anyway could stand up in court.
It is not right that I can not have someone log in for me to change skills or set up a ship, it is not right of you to tell me I can not do the same for someone else. I can understand you not allowing someone else to play someones char but there needs to be lines drawn and not the way you have gone.
Since playing this game its really gone downhill in a lot of areas, the forums are so guarded now compared to where they were when eve was released, you just can't speak you mind.that was a big gripe for me and still is, but this added into the ELUA is not right in any shape or form IMHO and I would like this explained as a paying member of this community.
* Please do not flame this thread and do not lock it, I am not fishing as Flame bait, I want answers.*
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Wan Li
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Posted - 2007.07.22 17:46:00 -
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Talking about rules will get this thread locked. No debating i think is one of the rules.
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Mr Miyagee
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Posted - 2007.07.22 17:48:00 -
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It's always been like this.
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Fswd
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Posted - 2007.07.22 17:50:00 -
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When you installed this game, you got the opportunity to read the eula. By installing and subsequently paying for, and playing the game, you agreed to this EULA. If you do not agree with it, you are obliged to uninstall eve immediately and cancel your subscription --- Cool, my sig got nerfed...again <-- plz explain how that is discussing, it is just stating a fact...hmmz this is discussing, isnt it?
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Gutsani
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.22 17:59:00 -
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eula isnt worth anything in court anyway .. its only valid in verry limited circumstances, but it does not define new laws! it only states how those laws are handled. as such, something you pay for is your property, be it rented or bought.
i think the op is right, if someone got it into his head to sue ccp for banning him for account sharing; chance is big he would win..
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2007.07.22 18:01:00 -
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Edited by: Banana Torres on 22/07/2007 18:01:24
Originally by: Fswd When you installed this game, you got the opportunity to read the eula. By installing and subsequently paying for, and playing the game, you agreed to this EULA. If you do not agree with it, you are obliged to uninstall eve immediately and cancel your subscription
Or come to some agreement with CCP regarding a mutually agreeable EULA.
ofc, CCP may say that the only acceptale EULA is the one they publish. In which case you stuffed. But saving youself some money.
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Talla Hurzin
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Posted - 2007.07.22 18:10:00 -
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Account sharing allows some one who hasn't payed CCP for their product to use said product. It's like illegal file sharing.
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Asestorian
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.07.22 18:29:00 -
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It's also CCP's way to say that they don't take responsibility if you get screwed over by letting someone else use your account, because you didn't follow the rules in the first place.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.22 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gutsani eula isnt worth anything in court anyway ..
only 1 or 2 coutnries on the planet have EVER overturned an eula. Furthermore, it doesn't matter if it holds up in court because no court can FORCE ccp to let you play if they choose to deny you service (ie ban) Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.07.22 18:36:00 -
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the point is if your "friend" takes all of your stuff then it's not CCP fualt because you didn't follow the rules so deal with it.if someone takes all your stuff and you didn't share your account then your ******.
don't worry with the API your friend will be able to do it for you soon without even needing your REAL username and password.
The API project willallow lots of fun stuff like this. including eve mobile. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP |
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.07.22 18:38:00 -
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This is CCPs way of saying that if you share your account details with someone and get screwed by that someone, you are SOL. And it gives them a countermeasure against massive acount sharing abuse like a cynonet. I doubt that they care one bit about a friend logging into a friends account every once in a while to change a skill. They just cannot say so publicly because that would give abusers some leverage.
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EFF ONEF1
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.22 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Saul E'ssiar
Remember, sharing your username and password is a EULA violation.
What is this ? I pay for the account, this account is mine to do as i wish, you might own the chars but the account should be mine. I would like this explained to me more why you (CCP) think this is legit and in anyway could stand up in court.
It is not right that I can not have someone log in for me to change skills or set up a ship, it is not right of you to tell me I can not do the same for someone else. I can understand you not allowing someone else to play someones char but there needs to be lines drawn and not the way you have gone.
Since playing this game its really gone downhill in a lot of areas, the forums are so guarded now compared to where they were when eve was released, you just can't speak you mind.that was a big gripe for me and still is, but this added into the ELUA is not right in any shape or form IMHO and I would like this explained as a paying member of this community.
* Please do not flame this thread and do not lock it, I am not fishing as Flame bait, I want answers.*
you are wrong. plain and simple.
its their account, their toons, their game.
you just lease time in it.
everygame has that blurb. and it protects against them having to do massive restores everytime your "friend" logs your account and steals your crap.
think about it. that one person has your info to login. do you trust them explicity enough to not give it to anyone else? are you sure? do you trust this person with your social security number? credit card?
what seems like harmless sharing, logging to change skills, whatever quickly snowballs out of proportion and you lose everything.
you cant login to switch your own skills? dont have like 5min to spare near a computer every few days? cant think for yourself and setup your own ship? have to have someone else do it? seriously?
you know what. it doesnt matter. what its says in the EULA is what it says. you do with your account what you will.
and next time i see some bs thread about getting "hacked" or "account breached" ill sit back, smile, and think of you.
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.22 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Saul E'ssiar I would like this explained to me more why you (CCP) think this is legit and in anyway could stand up in court.
They don't bother with court. They ban your account for a breach of that very rule. And given that you agree to these terms when making an account and every time you log into EVE, you are the one that has no leg to stand on. If you don't like the rule now then you have yourself to blame for not reading the EULA before you paid. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal |
Gone'Postal
Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.07.22 18:56:00 -
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You pay to access there service. You don't own squat.
Originally by: Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. Our problems are server-side.
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The Pointless
Gallente Plastic Toys
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Posted - 2007.07.22 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal You pay to access there service. You don't own squat.
Bingo...
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Amaron Ghant
Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.07.22 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: The Pointless
Originally by: Gone'Postal You pay to access there service. You don't own squat.
Bingo...
If I don't own me........ er, does that make me a rent boy?
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.22 19:29:00 -
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no, it means you are free Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.22 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Saul E'ssiar this added into the ELUA is not right in any shape or form IMHO and I would like this explained as a paying member of this community.
****, he pays to play EVE. Roll out the red carpet guys! ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery. |
Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.22 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gutsani eula isnt worth anything in court anyway .. its only valid in verry limited circumstances, but it does not define new laws! it only states how those laws are handled. as such, something you pay for is your property, be it rented or bought.
I think the op is right, if someone got it into his head to sue ccp for banning him for account sharing; chance is big he would win..
In noddy land maybe he would win. You ever heard the expression, ROAR. No company is under any obligation to supply you with a service if they choose not to. You cannot sue a salesman, for not wanting to sell you something. The only thing binding is the contract, and by breaking the EULA, you terminate that contract.
If CCP banned you for breaking the EULA, and then cancel your subscription, what exactly are you going to sue them for? You are not paying them any more, and are no longer a customer, so what kind of damages would you expect to receive
Love the generation of litigation
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kimish
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Posted - 2007.07.22 19:43:00 -
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no you only pay for the right to use their server within a timeline (online games are the only thing in the world that can get away with theyre rules "since they break marketing laws in alot of country's" but because it's online games and the rules arn't very clear over the country lines well yer you get it)
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CrestoftheStars
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.07.22 19:44:00 -
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well then put in a skill qeuere some of us have other things to do which sometimes can force us from the game for many days maybe even weeks and month. ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.22 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 22/07/2007 19:46:04
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Saul E'ssiar this added into the ELUA is not right in any shape or form IMHO and I would like this explained as a paying member of this community.
****, he pays to play EVE. Roll out the red carpet guys!
Mallrats...
"Haven't you ever heard the phrase the customer is always right?"\ "The customer is always an *******!"
Originally by: CrestoftheStars well then put in a skill qeuere some of us have other things to do which sometimes can force us from the game for many days maybe even weeks and month.
CCP has said repeatedly, they won't, they want people to log IN to play the game, DEAL WITH IT ALREADY Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.22 19:45:00 -
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When you can't play the game for weeks or months, you're not supposed to be able to advance. Just be glad there are skills that last that long. -
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EFF ONEF1
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.22 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Gutsani eula isnt worth anything in court anyway .. its only valid in verry limited circumstances, but it does not define new laws! it only states how those laws are handled. as such, something you pay for is your property, be it rented or bought.
I think the op is right, if someone got it into his head to sue ccp for banning him for account sharing; chance is big he would win..
In noddy land maybe he would win. You ever heard the expression, ROAR. No company is under any obligation to supply you with a service if they choose not to. You cannot sue a salesman, for not wanting to sell you something. The only thing binding is the contract, and by breaking the EULA, you terminate that contract.
If CCP banned you for breaking the EULA, and then cancel your subscription, what exactly are you going to sue them for? You are not paying them any more, and are no longer a customer, so what kind of damages would you expect to receive
Love the generation of litigation
excellent example.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.22 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 22/07/2007 19:53:01
Originally by: CrestoftheStars well then put in a skill qeuere some of us have other things to do which sometimes can force us from the game for many days maybe even weeks and month.
If you can't play the game that's your problem. CCP is under no obligation to solve your problems for you.
They make the service available. They tell you what the rules are. If you can't or won't abide by their rules then quit. No one is forcing you to play a game that you aren't capable of playing and if CCP don't want you playing it they can terminate your account.
No court is going to penalise CCP for exercising their right to control who has access to their servers and what those people do with them. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
[Brackley, UK]
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ForumPosterAlt
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Posted - 2007.07.22 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: ForumPosterAlt on 22/07/2007 20:01:26 Then ban every titan owner.
CCP is full of crap if it doesn't think that all of the titans have multiple players playing them. Especially out at that fight in 9-9, blatant account sharing.
So CCP if you ban for account sharing, start out at the top, ban nearly every titan owner in the game. ... But yeah right, you won't do that.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.07.22 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: ForumPosterAlt Edited by: ForumPosterAlt on 22/07/2007 20:01:26 Then ban every titan owner.
CCP is full of crap if it doesn't think that all of the titans have multiple players playing them. Especially out at that fight in 9-9, blatant account sharing.
So CCP if you ban for account sharing, start out at the top, ban nearly every titan owner in the game. ... But yeah right, you won't do that.
You know, an EULA violation means they CAN ban. Not that they HAVE TO or WILL.
There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones |
Saul E'ssiar
Amarr AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.07.23 02:03:00 -
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Well reading replies here it really seems that no one really knows, I see a lot of opinions on the topic, I see people that post they know and i see people posting for the sake of posting but really, no real answer. Everything posted here so far can be countered. It appears to me this is a grey area and the real point of this thread was I wanted to get answers. Forget I said anything about taking anyone to court, that was just to to make a point. I had hoped CCP would have been posted about this but like many threads in these forums they choose not to.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.23 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Saul E'ssiar Everything posted here so far can be countered.
Go ahead then.
You don't seem to understand what a EULA is tbh. You agreed to it when you installed the game, so to complain about it afterwards is a bit...well...you decide
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R3dSh1ft
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.07.23 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Asestorian It's also CCP's way to say that they don't take responsibility if you get screwed over by letting someone else use your account, because you didn't follow the rules in the first place.
yes - causes too many problems with people getting their stuff nicked/hacked whatever. When you trust your friend with your login, you are also trusting that they have adequate firewall/antivirus protection, will not pass along your details/ will not use your account name and password to register on a dodgy fansite - the list goes on.
eulas arent in any way shape or form legally binding, however.
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