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DILLI GAF
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:32:00 -
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I want to know everyones thoughts about High Security Pirating. I know this is one thing that sets EVE apart from all the other games out there but for those of us that don't want to be involved in the wars, pirating or corporate politics high security systems should be a safe place for us to enjoy the game as well. This is suppose to be a ROLE PLAYING GAME meaning we chose the path we want to follow. I chose to stay out of harms way and got screwed anyway. If CCP is going to put Concord in the systems for protection against attacks such as these then they should hold some responsibility when they fail at providing the service they are there for. I would think the taxes and fees we pay in game should be payment enough to justify this sort of protection for players.
As a new player coming in to the game this would be very discouraging when you are just trying to get going.
To me... This is no different then one of the many scams in game.
Please leave your thoughts. I want to see what people really have to say. I believe if enough of the EVE community says something then maybe CCP will address this issue.
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Weeka
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:34:00 -
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Ok, what happened exactly?
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EliteSlave
Minmatar Tau Ceti Global Production Angels Of Discord
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:36:00 -
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Oh to qoute Oveur....
High Sec is Safer... not totally safe... Dev's if your Ugly and you know it.. and Proud of it... Sign Below ;) |
IONZ
Gallente The Celestial Free Miner's Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:37:00 -
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Petition Body I have been playing EVE since September of '04. I love the game and really chose to stay out of harms way. I have joined Corps that have been involved in wars and battles and have chosen to stay away from this sort of game play. High Security systems should be a safe haven for players like my self as well as new players coming in to the game. If they are attacked in a system that is supposed to be considered a safe system they are going to be turned off quickly. There is an exploit out there that CCP is not addressing. Let's put the scams aside for now. There are plenty out there but the one that is obvious is High Security Pirating. This should not be allowed. A system with a security status of 0.5 or higher should be secure for players like myself and new players to build a wealth and consider moving in to higher risk areas. If this sort of action continue then how are new people supposed to make it in this game. We would be forced to join a corp when that may not be what we are wanting.
I have another character IONZ that I am retiring. I started this character a week or so ago to take a new look at EVE and a new direction. I had just completed transferring all my assets from IONZ to DILLI GAF and was transporting them through a route that was supposed to be safe. 1 jump from my final destination i was attacked and lost well over a billion in assets. i of which was a Thanatos BPO. Bellow is the kill mail lI received showing the items I lost. I truly think that this issue should be addressed and these systems should remain a safe place for players that do not want to get caught up in all the politics and war that is in EVE. We should be allowed to chose our place in this game, make our own path even if this means not having to deal with pirates. These pirates should be forced to engage in this sort of activity in systems with the security status of 0.4 or lower. This is where lawlessness should be upheld and not in the systems that the law is in place. In the real world if I was mugged and the police showed up but did not do anything they would be the ones responsible for the actions of the pirates. Concord is in place to POTECT AND SERVE as any other law enforcement. CCP NEEDS to address this issue and I would hope give me back the items I lost. This is a game but we do not spend countless hours and money to support it to take such a blow in which you ask yourself WTF!
KILL MAIL
2007.07.18 05:40
Victim: DILLI GAF Alliance: NONE Corp: Royal Amarr Institute Destroyed: Coercer System: Madirmilire Security: 0.6
Involved parties:
Name: Rexxar Civire (laid the final blow) Security: 4.6 Alliance: Triumvirate. Corp: Murder-Death-Kill Ship: Raven Weapon: Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Name: calyannanna Security: -1.6 Alliance: NONE Corp: Republic Military School Ship: Thrasher Weapon: 280mm Howitzer Artillery I
Destroyed items:
Standard S Small Armor Repairer I Dual Light Pulse Laser I Dual Light Pulse Laser I Dual Light Pulse Laser I Dual Light Pulse Laser I Dual Light Pulse Laser I Standard S Dual Light Pulse Laser I Standard S Standard S Standard S Standard S Standard S Standard S Energized Basic Reflective Plating F-b10 Nominal Capacitor Regenerator Thanatos Blueprint (Cargo) Esoteric Data Interface Blueprint (Cargo) Incognito Data Interface Blueprint (Cargo) Occult Data Interface (Cargo) Datacore - Gallentean Starship Engineering, Qty: 43 (Cargo) Computer Chips, Qty: 2 (Cargo) Internal Bulkhead, Qty: 6 (Cargo) Mainframe Bit, Qty: 2 (Cargo) Hardwiring - Zainou 'Deadeye' ZGA100 (Cargo) 1MN Afterburner I, Qty: 2 (Cargo) 100mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I (Cargo) 100mm Reinforced Steel Plates I (Cargo) Small Remote Armor Repair System I (Cargo) Small Remote Armor Repair System I (Cargo) Small Capacitor Battery I (Cargo) Small 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I (Cargo) Dual Afocal Light Maser I (Cargo) Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I (Cargo)
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The Mantra
Caldari Knights of Sovereignty United Corporations of Eve
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:39:00 -
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Heh. Prepare to be flamed.
Basically though:
CONCORD is there to punish - not protect. -However, there is some debate on whether, in certain situations, the punishment is harsh enough
Nowhere in EVE is safe... true this is difficult for beginners, but it's something you gotta learn. Don'y fly what you can't afford lose lose and all that jazz...
Sure, EVE is a role-playing game, but that doesn't mean that the world should function exactly how you want.
After the wardec nerf, hi-sec is a lot safer for those in player corporations. For those in NPC corps, unless you're AFK hauling expensive gear you'll probably be OK.
If you want to pursue the route of making hisec 'safer', I would suggest you look at trying to convince CCP to put in insurance nerfs for people sho get CONCORDed etc.
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Ki An
Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:39:00 -
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Tbh, after you enter your credit card details to sign up for the game, there should be a comfirmation box stating "You can and will get killed in systems of any security status. It is not an exploit to attack players in high sec, and your loss will not be reimbursed. Are you sure you want to subscribe to this game?" That way we wouldn't have one of these posts every week.
Oh, and to the guy who got suicide ganked... lol
/Ki
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IDesert FoxI
Unknown-Heroes KA0S Theory
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:45:00 -
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TBH, with high sec piracy, it usually happens once, and then you learn how to avoid it and not to trust anybody. Its all part of the learning experience. Thats what I like about EVE, its not all sunshine and sweets, its a cruel world.
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:46:00 -
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EVE is risk vs reward.
Wanna make highsec = no risk? Then it should also be highsec = no reward.
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Dietes Marcellus
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:47:00 -
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This game would be ridiculous if empire were 100 Percent safe
just because you got scammed/pirated whatever doesn't mean the game should change that kind of stuff happends to everyone, including me.
Learn from it
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Nerva M
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:54:00 -
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His post seems to imply that Concord didn't pop the guys, which makes me wonder what he did to give them kill rights. And if Concord did pop them...what do you want? Miss Cleo doesn't work for Concord, they don't know that you're about to get pirated.
I will say tho that you have to be pretty hard up for kill mails to suicide gank a Coercer with a Raven.
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Christari Zuborov
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 18/07/2007 16:57:56 Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 18/07/2007 16:56:56 Hisec piracy is part of the game. No where has it ever said that Hisec is safe, it does say in the game manual that Hisec is safer.
Thankfully, there are alternatives...
Alternatives to hisec piracy
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St0mper
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:58:00 -
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fellow eve-residents. if the cops dont uphold the law in places they are surposed to, how can they even begin to justify the taxes we are paying in this game, its an outrage taking loads of isk everytime, but only upholding the law and protection they are paid for when they are not eating donuts or out for coffe. its common knowledge that if you loose mods/ships during a glitch in the server you will get you money back, a glitch is excatly what has happend here. a player flying in no corps that could be at war, losing his ship, no matter what the loos is, it should be paied back. this is a game yes,,,, only a game and its fun, but as in every game there are guidelines and rules as to what you can and cannot do... if not eveyone would be god in every game. its also common knowledge that the cops are there for the protection of new players or people who just wants to sit back relax and mine or run missions, without thinking about the worries that a pirate could jump them and take away everything they have been working so hard to gain. just how do you justify taking money from people but not protecting them when its needed, get those damn ships up and running ccp they are there for our protection.... WTF sort this out!! we just want to have fun in the best game eve-r and know that we can fly safe somewhere. and hunt for sports in other locations...
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Christari Zuborov
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: St0mper fellow eve-residents. if the cops dont uphold the law in places they are surposed to, how can they even begin to justify the taxes we are paying in this game, its an outrage taking loads of isk everytime, but only upholding the law and protection they are paid for when they are not eating donuts or out for coffe. its common knowledge that if you loose mods/ships during a glitch in the server you will get you money back, a glitch is excatly what has happend here. a player flying in no corps that could be at war, losing his ship, no matter what the loos is, it should be paied back. this is a game yes,,,, only a game and its fun, but as in every game there are guidelines and rules as to what you can and cannot do... if not eveyone would be god in every game. its also common knowledge that the cops are there for the protection of new players or people who just wants to sit back relax and mine or run missions, without thinking about the worries that a pirate could jump them and take away everything they have been working so hard to gain. just how do you justify taking money from people but not protecting them when its needed, get those damn ships up and running ccp they are there for our protection.... WTF sort this out!! we just want to have fun in the best game eve-r and know that we can fly safe somewhere. and hunt for sports in other locations...
If you were in Mogodishu, carrying $1,000,000,000 worth of the Queen's Crown Jewels, would you call the local police department to arrange security or would you hire a security team?
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Kalibas
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:05:00 -
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As a new player, I would just like to point out that I have no idea what you people are talking about. Does this mean that I am unsafe in 0.8 and 0.9 zones or what?
I went through the tutorial last night, and looking through the player guide last night as well as right now to double-check, this is all I found about security zones:
Quote: ò Enter space with security status below 0.5 at own risk. You can NEVER expect to be safe in unsecured space regardless of sentry guns, CONCORD presence, and such.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:06:00 -
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Another alt?
Simply: No. And this from a HighSec Carebear.
There are many ways to not get ganked and many tools to keep yourself safe. Use them.
As others said, learn from the experience and see what you did wrong. Don't haul billions of stuff in a paperbag. Watch where you are going. Don't tell anyone that you are hauling billions of stuff in paperbags (there a spy in your old corp maybe?), etc.
EvE keeps you alert, even in High Sec, you should never be 100% safe. The only mechanics that might need changing is for the ones blown up by Concord to get no insurance. <-----------> Factional Warfare:
The LowSec wars which never happened. |
St0mper
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:06:00 -
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Mogodishu is not a high sec area... but if i where in copenhagen i would call the local police cause that would be high sec compared to yea well any other place.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kalibas As a new player, I would just like to point out that I have no idea what you people are talking about. Does this mean that I am unsafe in 0.8 and 0.9 zones or what?
I went through the tutorial last night, and looking through the player guide last night as well as right now to double-check, this is all I found about security zones:
Quote: ò Enter space with security status below 0.5 at own risk. You can NEVER expect to be safe in unsecured space regardless of sentry guns, CONCORD presence, and such.
Anyone can try to blow you up at any time. Concord WILL respond, but like real life police are rarely there fast enough to stop them from killing you.
The secret to being "safe" while hauling stuff is to make it cost the attackers more than they can potentially earn from the wreckage. Basically, fly in ships that are tough enough to last for Concord to get there and haul less in value than the cost it takes the enemy to replace ships and fittings. <-----------> Factional Warfare:
The LowSec wars which never happened. |
Krezeb
Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:10:00 -
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You moved a Thanatos BPO in a DESTROYER?
No-one to blame here but yourself. As the devs stated, hi-Sec is safer, NOT safe. Why didn't you take precautions? You shouldn't move anything valuable in anything less than a Transport Ship. Done properly you would have lived long enough for CONCORD to squash the pirates.
Just my 0.02 ISK -----
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Christari Zuborov
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: St0mper Mogodishu is not a high sec area... but if i where in copenhagen i would call the local police cause that would be high sec compared to yea well any other place.
I guess that all depends on just what you're transporting though doesn't it? and that's my point.
If you have something that someone else wants, unless you take every precaution possible which would include the hiring of a security team, you wouldn't get the insurance for said items due to neglect.
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Demetrio Beso
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:14:00 -
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They should just forbid it by in game law and people trying to gank other people in high sec should get punished instantly like it used to be bfor all these patches. U know aswell when u fired 1 shot at another dude u where concorded instantly, so why isnt this happened now?
Are the rules changed? Do they want us to go fight in high sec space. Well it would be a good change for once but ffs create a new scene then and remove the High Security Space from the map and lets all wreak havoc and destroy the most part of this game we call Eve, our game.
They guy got ganked in high sec space, Just reimburse the guy his lost things and fix your Game, or change the game but make it public for all. |
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Matalino on 18/07/2007 17:14:34
Originally by: Kalibas As a new player, I would just like to point out that I have no idea what you people are talking about. Does this mean that I am unsafe in 0.8 and 0.9 zones or what?
That is correct. If someone wants to kill you, they can do so in any system. The only place where you cannot be killed is in a station.
However, if someone tries to kill a neutral target in 0.5+ space, CONCORD will destroy their ship. They might not be destroyed in time to save the target, but they attackers will be destroyed. Your safety in hi-sec space comes from the fact that you are not normally worth the effort to kill, so nobody kills you.
Give them a reason ( like having an untanked Hulk with T2 Ice Harvesters mining AFK in a belt ) and they will kill you if they can figure out a cost effective way to do it quickly.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Christari Zuborov
Originally by: St0mper Mogodishu is not a high sec area... but if i where in copenhagen i would call the local police cause that would be high sec compared to yea well any other place.
I guess that all depends on just what you're transporting though doesn't it? and that's my point.
If you have something that someone else wants, unless you take every precaution possible which would include the hiring of a security team, you wouldn't get the insurance for said items due to neglect.
Yep, shame so many people don't get this (judged by the OMG! I got ganked! threads each week).
In your example I would move the jewels with an armored vehicle (BS, heavily tanked most likely) WITH an escort.
The computers would go in the back of my grocery-getter (destroyer or cruiser). <-----------> Factional Warfare:
The LowSec wars which never happened. |
Speed Devil
Caldari Mean Machines
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:16:00 -
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ur a total idiot for transporting a thanatos bpo in a fragile destroyer. u deserved it to get popped.
as for concord not protecting u... when i pull out my gun when standing next to u and a cop and i shoot u through ur head, do u think the cop will be fast enough to react? hmmm? thought not
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Demetrio Beso They should just forbid it by in game law and people trying to gank other people in high sec should get punished instantly like it used to be bfor all these patches. U know aswell when u fired 1 shot at another dude u where concorded instantly, so why isnt this happened now?
Are the rules changed? Do they want us to go fight in high sec space. Well it would be a good change for once but ffs create a new scene then and remove the High Security Space from the map and lets all wreak havoc and destroy the most part of this game we call Eve, our game.
They guy got ganked in high sec space, Just reimburse the guy his lost things and fix your Game, or change the game but make it public for all.
The game isn't broken, its intended mechanics.
If he posted the logs it probably took about 12 seconds to destroy his ship. Concord would have been there and destroyed the attackers in another 2-3 seconds. had he even used a CRUISER instead of a DD he would have been safe and survived.
EvE is supposed to be a dangerous world, NOT safe. The Devs say this repeatedly. Concord is retaliation (like the police in real life), not "safety". If the Devs wanted 100% safety Concord wouldn't exist but you couldn't lock a ship in High Sec.
The danger is part of the game. This isn't "Hello Kitty Online". <-----------> Factional Warfare:
The LowSec wars which never happened. |
Nerva M
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kalibas As a new player, I would just like to point out that I have no idea what you people are talking about. Does this mean that I am unsafe in 0.8 and 0.9 zones or what?
I went through the tutorial last night, and looking through the player guide last night as well as right now to double-check, this is all I found about security zones:
Yes and no. High Sec is generally safe unless you're in a PC Corporation that gets war decced, or you get suicide ganked, i.e. someone kills you and then gets killed by Concord. But generally you only have to worry about suicide ganks if you severely **** someone off, or do something incredibly silly like hauling a billion ISK worth of goods in a ship with no tank.
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Ki An
Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Demetrio Beso They should just forbid it by in game law and people trying to gank other people in high sec should get punished instantly like it used to be bfor all these patches. U know aswell when u fired 1 shot at another dude u where concorded instantly, so why isnt this happened now?
Are the rules changed? Do they want us to go fight in high sec space. Well it would be a good change for once but ffs create a new scene then and remove the High Security Space from the map and lets all wreak havoc and destroy the most part of this game we call Eve, our game.
They guy got ganked in high sec space, Just reimburse the guy his lost things and fix your Game, or change the game but make it public for all.
Excuse me, but when was this ever a fact? Do you mean before the implementation of Concord when you could attack anyone without even losing your ship? Do you mean before Concord got boosted to such a degree that it was near impossible to kill them? Do you mean before tanking Concord was made an exploit?
You have no idea what you are talking about, and should probably stfu.
/Ki
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:31:00 -
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OP, hopefully you were on a free trial...
Whoever informed you about EVE forgot to mention it's a griefer haven compared to other MMO's...
You can, and will be killed in high sec space by the best PvP'ers this game has to offer.
Again, hope you're on a trial account...
Building the homestead
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Redd Lenses
Gallente Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: IONZ Petition Body I have been playing EVE since September of '04. I love the game and really chose to stay out of harms way. I have joined Corps that have been involved in wars and battles and have chosen to stay away from this sort of game play. High Security systems should be a safe haven for players like my self as well as new players coming in to the game. If they are attacked in a system that is supposed to be considered a safe system they are going to be turned off quickly. There is an exploit out there that CCP is not addressing. Let's put the scams aside for now. There are plenty out there but the one that is obvious is High Security Pirating. This should not be allowed. A system with a security status of 0.5 or higher should be secure for players like myself and new players to build a wealth and consider moving in to higher risk areas. If this sort of action continue then how are new people supposed to make it in this game. We would be forced to join a corp when that may not be what we are wanting.
I have another character IONZ that I am retiring. I started this character a week or so ago to take a new look at EVE and a new direction. I had just completed transferring all my assets from IONZ to DILLI GAF and was transporting them through a route that was supposed to be safe. 1 jump from my final destination i was attacked and lost well over a billion in assets. i of which was a Thanatos BPO. Bellow is the kill mail lI received showing the items I lost. I truly think that this issue should be addressed and these systems should remain a safe place for players that do not want to get caught up in all the politics and war that is in EVE. We should be allowed to chose our place in this game, make our own path even if this means not having to deal with pirates. These pirates should be forced to engage in this sort of activity in systems with the security status of 0.4 or lower. This is where lawlessness should be upheld and not in the systems that the law is in place. In the real world if I was mugged and the police showed up but did not do anything they would be the ones responsible for the actions of the pirates. Concord is in place to POTECT AND SERVE as any other law enforcement. CCP NEEDS to address this issue and I would hope give me back the items I lost. This is a game but we do not spend countless hours and money to support it to take such a blow in which you ask yourself WTF!
KILL MAIL
2007.07.18 05:40
Victim: DILLI GAF Alliance: NONE Corp: Royal Amarr Institute Destroyed: Coercer System: Madirmilire Security: 0.6
Involved parties:
Name: Rexxar Civire (laid the final blow) Security: 4.6 Alliance: Triumvirate. Corp: Murder-Death-Kill Ship: Raven Weapon: Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Name: calyannanna Security: -1.6 Alliance: NONE Corp: Republic Military School Ship: Thrasher Weapon: 280mm Howitzer Artillery I
lol... watch this:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0703/Karma.avi
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 18/07/2007 17:32:29 it makes me feel dirty...
agreeing with Ki An Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
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Rafein
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:34:00 -
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I take it you were also slowboating, AFK auto-pilot hauling when it happened. Being at the keyboard, with warp to zero, and jumping when you land, you should be pretty immune when hauling even in a destroyer with a Thanatos BP. Should be able to warp and jump before you get cargoscanned to see if your worth killing.
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:36:00 -
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"Oh to qoute Oveur....
High Sec is Safer... not totally safe..."
That is fair enough but they need to rebalance things so that there is some significant penalty for suiciding for profit, and give it a resonable chance to fail. right now there are several ships that can be used to suicide gank that only cost the owner between 4-8 mill to replace ( brutix domi ). That is what I beleive the problem is right now. Also for what ever reason industrial ships are paper PAPER thin they should nto be. They give up offense, and speed no reason they should have not much more of a tank than a frigate.
To grant suicide ganking some risk and serious chance for failure scanning should be a hostile action, or there should be a mod that can block scanning. right now there really is NO counter to suicide ganking besides don't transport anything of value.
So no it doesnt have to be 100% safe but it shouldn't be the be all end all place for pirates to site humping gates scanning ships either. There is no reason you shouldnt need a well equipped ship to accomplish a suicide gank in empire, as opposed to a ship that could barely complete a level 3 mission.
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Firkragg
Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:36:00 -
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Im all for making high sec completely safe as long as they make sure that you can only run level 4s in low sec just to balance the whole risk reward thing. Hey ive just invented a plan to populate low sec as well
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Valrandir
Gallente Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:39:00 -
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So after playing for 2.5 years, you move all your assets in a Destroyer on autopilot.
After 2.5 years you should have known better. Maybe you are not very good at eve?
Now you have two choices. Quit eve and punish yourself. Learn, stay and rebuild.
You have lost assets, but not skill points. But then skillpoints might not be valuable to you, since you were transferring all your stuff to a new pilot you just created.
Then maybe you don't have what it takes to play EvE. LOTR is nice, there is a free trial as well.
Bye
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Chewan Mesa
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:39:00 -
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I think its a perfetcly fine thing to pop someone in high-sec whos cargo is worth the effort/loss of your own ship.
It is easy enough to avoid getting ganked, and your argument of it being discouraging for new players has little value.
A new player is not flying around with Carrier BPOs in his cargo or anything else for that matter that people would be interested in.
Ideally you lose a few hundred mil. being ganked, learn from it, and it will never happen to you again.
There was an outcry of freighters being popped left and right since the change as well, bugger all has happened since then. So no, it should stay as it is.
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:42:00 -
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Quote: EVE is risk vs reward.
Well if you want to sell that concept then EVE needs to be risky for ALL players then. Please detail the risk of sitting around at gates in insured ships 100% safe from being ganked yourself, scanning ships safely as they pass by with out risk as you wait for one with enough cargo to justify suiciding on, knowing with 100% certainty you will make profit from your suicide.
The problem is not the suiciding per say, the problem is there is ZERO RISK to suicide ganking you will literally never encounter a situation where you will loose money. So why does everyone else supposed to shoulder all the risk in EVE but not them? This might sound crazy but commen sense would dictate that suicide ganking should be one of the MOST risky activities in all EVE. I mean you are planning certain death to your ship by commiting a crime right in front of the police... yet it has ZERO risk? /boggle
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:44:00 -
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Quote: It is easy enough to avoid getting ganked, and your argument of it being discouraging for new players has little value.
What are you talking about it is literally IMPOSSIBLE not to get popped in an industrial unless you want to say the only way a indy can be fit is with nano's etc.....why ? because people figured out ages ago the easiest way to get people in on the exit side of the gate while those slow to align and warp indies try to warp out wih their paper thin stats.
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:49:00 -
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Quote: EvE is supposed to be a dangerous world, NOT safe. The Devs say this repeatedly.
This works for me, so please detail out how it is dangerous for those guys that camp a gate in poorly t1 fitted ships which are insured all day every day. Once you show me how EVE is dangerous for them and how they can unexpectedly get ganked and looose big ISK I am on your side.... Until then your trying to sell ice cubes to a eskimo.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:49:00 -
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- So you're swapping stuff between characters and decide to use the noob character to transport billion+?
- Flying a coercer which has good time-to-warp right out of the box even with noob skills so it wasn't jump in side. Autopilot ftw to transport your billion+?
- Since you were using AP, no wtz.
- Since you were using AP, I have to wonder if you were even really paying attention to the game...
Even though you opt'ed to use the noob char in a destroyer, you had a 99.9% chance to avoided this result by...
ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME
Autopilot is a luxury with it's own set of risks. It's not a god given right for risk free avoidance of the "boring bits" of Eve. Using wtz is the number one way to avoid this sort of thing. It's much like the saying, "You get what you pay for". Eve rewards on effort. You pick the most minimal personal effort possible, it shouldn't be surprising that someone else capitalizes on your negligence.
And this is why high-sec ganking needs to stay. Players assume it is their right to set a long trip, hit AP, and go play Halo or whatever. All the arguements that have been put forward have yet to convince me that Eve needs to cater to lazy players.
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
Quote: EVE is risk vs reward.
Well if you want to sell that concept then EVE needs to be risky for ALL players then. Please detail the risk of sitting around at gates in insured ships 100% safe from being ganked yourself, scanning ships safely as they pass by with out risk as you wait for one with enough cargo to justify suiciding on, knowing with 100% certainty you will make profit from your suicide.
The problem is not the suiciding per say, the problem is there is ZERO RISK to suicide ganking you will literally never encounter a situation where you will loose money. So why does everyone else supposed to shoulder all the risk in EVE but not them? This might sound crazy but commen sense would dictate that suicide ganking should be one of the MOST risky activities in all EVE. I mean you are planning certain death to your ship by commiting a crime right in front of the police... yet it has ZERO risk? /boggle
There's no assurance that his buddies are in warp at the exact moment. There's no assurance that a logistics ship flying nearby isn't in gang and prepared to shield/armor rep at the drop of a hat. There's no assurance of any sort, just the type of assurance that you want to see it as, in a world where there's no creativity and no imagination due to self isolation of that which is "hi sec only" players.
You cannot know how to protect yourself if you never leave an utopian area. Babe in woods, looking for a good railing, or in this case a good autocannon'ing. This person tried to be low profile by using a ship that most would ignore, and got caught.
Sour grapes...
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Nerva M
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:51:00 -
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I thought we were talking about high sec pirating? I don't think some guy is going to get his Raven popped to steal your 5000m3 of Antibiotics. If you want to haul really valuable stuff, train for Transport ships :p It only takes about a month, and you can make plenty of money shipping around those Antiobiotics while you wait.
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William Alex
Viscosity
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:56:00 -
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Playing for over two years myself I can say it isn't surprising that someone would think it safe to transport expensive bpo's through high-sec in a fragile ship. Untill recently it was... not that the mechanic didn't allow for this level of high-sec greifing just it wasn't prolific enough to impact many people.
Untill recently I myself used to do that untill i lost a sizeable amount, at the end of the day you gotta tell yourself that this is how the game is now and we learn and adapt.
I don't carry that much afk anymore, if its over 50mil I warp to zero and so on, but it is rediculously easy to gank someone if they aren't careful in high sec now and since the popularity of this has taken off to such a high degree I certainly expect to see some kind of backlash as it beings to affect more and more people.
At the end of the day CCP does cater to their clients. Keep ****ing them off and they will complain. If they complain enough CCP will act.
Please give us a 1 depth skill queue CCP.
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:03:00 -
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"There's no assurance that his buddies are in warp at the exact moment. There's no assurance that a logistics ship flying nearby isn't in gang and prepared to shield/armor rep at the drop of a hat. There's no assurance of any sort, just the type of assurance that you want to see it as, in a world where there's no creativity and no imagination due to self isolation of that which is "hi sec only" players."
Okay let's play in your make beleive world.
1) so what if his buddies warp in they cannot help him.
2) Okay a logistics ship warps in and let's say it does save his butt and you ge concorded..... so you are out a couple million ISK big deal, where is the 500 + million losss for being stupid and not ensuring that the target didn;t have support? Where is your stiff penalty for being stupid and playing like a ****** who just ganks everything the instant it shows up....
This is important question that needs to be answered. Again Eve is supposed to be RISKY for everyone so where is the risk? This is the part of the equation that is missing. You should need a very well equipped ship to do this. Failure should come with a stiff cost associated to it. right now it has NOTHING SIGNIFICANT.
so as you can see there is assurances GALORE, the cost of making a stupid mistake is literally nothing. those gankers play in a world with no creativity just mindless camping/scanning and attack the instant you see something of the right value. so come again why is it that everyone else has to shoulder the burden of risk, creativity and smart play but not something as simple and easy to pull off as exploiting a weak game mechanic like suicide ganking.
Again I ask why do you protect suice ganker from having the shoulder the same burden of gameplay the rest of us are supposed to play with? I am not suggesting removing suicide ganking as an option. I am suggesting some significant risk should be shouldered by them with reasonable chances of failure and serious costs associated with failure just like every other player in eve deals with.
Why do you oppose this?
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:06:00 -
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lol great to see M-D-K keeping the carebears on their toes, so wat did they manage to loot from ur wreck, as u say 1 bil isk of materials were destroyed but how much value was looted?
Quote: The problem is not the suiciding per say, the problem is there is ZERO RISK to suicide ganking you will literally never encounter a situation where you will loose money. So why does everyone else supposed to shoulder all the risk in EVE but not them? This might sound crazy but commen sense would dictate that suicide ganking should be one of the MOST risky activities in all EVE. I mean you are planning certain death to your ship by commiting a crime right in front of the police... yet it has ZERO risk? /boggle
zero risk????? i think the kill mail says it all, a raven with faction ammo and probably faction mods to help tank concord for that extra second to blow up that destroyer with valuable cargo.....only to see on the kill mail that the pirate destroyed 1 bil isk worth of the cargo and the loot was probably only worth about 5 mil, risk against reward..........u run the risk that u might be able to loot that thanatos bp from the wreck or blow it up with the destroyer that people is risk vs reward. damn if i saw an afk carebear hauling through highsec with over 1 bil isk worth of loot, i'd blow him in an instant and have my corpie loot the wreck.
risk vs reward example.......0.9 system, badger 2 trveling on autopilot to gate, T2 fitted raven (with insurance) scans cargo and spots lots of high value loot, destroys badger, concord arrive and destroy T2 fitted raven, corp mate of raven pilot loots wreck only to find civilian shield booster survived, everything else destroyed raven value 6-700 mil, insurance payout 80mil, total gain/loss= -520mil isk, there is ur risk vs reward, learn from ur mistakes, dont afk haul in high sec with an untanked paper bag, use a ship that can tank for as long as neccesary to ensure ur survival and ur enemies demise, ps. if i see u hauling afk around my hq system im gunna risk it for 1 bil isk aswell
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:07:00 -
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"I don't carry that much afk anymore, if its over 50mil I warp to zero and so on, but it is rediculously easy to gank someone if they aren't careful in high sec now and since the popularity of this has taken off to such a high degree I certainly expect to see some kind of backlash as it beings to affect more and more people."
WTZ won't save you soon they will start getting you on the exit side of the gate m8. It is easy enough now to not bother but as soon as everyone starts WTZ to avoid them they will just camp the exit hole . which will grant them PLENTY of time to blow up an indy.
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Talpa Iute
Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:09:00 -
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1st in an epic thread... oh wait.. i'm not first.. and this aint an epic thread.. its.. a whine thread.
Anyway, better luck next time, and sopt crying _____________________________________________
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ZeeWolf
Asguard Security Service Angels Of Discord
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:10:00 -
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oh how i lol'd
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Redd Lenses
Gallente Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Talpa Iute 1st in an epic thread... oh wait.. i'm not first.. and this aint an epic thread.. its.. a whine thread.
Anyway, better luck next time, and sopt crying
qft
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Xaeon
Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:13:00 -
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There's one reason you were shot, you were worth killing and in a killable ship.
Shame the print didn't drop
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:16:00 -
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Quote: zero risk????? i think the kill mail says it all, a raven with faction ammo and probably faction mods to help tank concord for that extra second to blow up that destroyer with valuable cargo.....only to see on the kill mail that the pirate destroyed 1 bil isk worth of the cargo and the loot was probably only worth about 5 mil, risk against reward..........u run the risk that u might be able to loot that thanatos bp from the wreck or blow it up with the destroyer that people is risk vs reward. damn if i saw an afk carebear hauling through highsec with over 1 bil isk worth of loot, i'd blow him in an instant and have my corpie loot the wreck.
Please don't bother posting if you have no clue wtf your talking about. Noone is going to use faction mods to suicide gank LOL!!!! Even if your not filling your cargo hold with it hahahah you got enough + a bit extra to get the job done and faction ammo is hardly that expensive. We are talking about enough ammo to last 10-20 seconds TOPS. If they think they will need a little extra DPS they don;t load up faction gear they use more than one ship. WTF use a raven when you can use 2-3 caracals?
An insured raven is not that expensive, provided your not buying them off the market at 95M a pop most people will have a producer to supply them for EXACT cost so after insurance the loss is probably 10 million.
Also the situation you describe about the loot blowing up is rare and when it does happen again.... 10 mill to replace that raven, when the loot doesnt blow up 1 billion profit....Okay so let's stop the utter stupity here people are not suicide ganking because it is a great way to grind out 15 mill an hour profit. so please stop pretending that the risk vs reward is completely out of wack, and stop pretending there is something risky, or dangerous about sitting at a gate all day long.....
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Christari Zuborov
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: banner lol great to see M-D-K keeping the carebears on their toes, so wat did they manage to loot from ur wreck, as u say 1 bil isk of materials were destroyed but how much value was looted?
Quote: The problem is not the suiciding per say, the problem is there is ZERO RISK to suicide ganking you will literally never encounter a situation where you will loose money. So why does everyone else supposed to shoulder all the risk in EVE but not them? This might sound crazy but commen sense would dictate that suicide ganking should be one of the MOST risky activities in all EVE. I mean you are planning certain death to your ship by commiting a crime right in front of the police... yet it has ZERO risk? /boggle
zero risk????? i think the kill mail says it all, a raven with faction ammo and probably faction mods to help tank concord for that extra second to blow up that destroyer with valuable cargo.....only to see on the kill mail that the pirate destroyed 1 bil isk worth of the cargo and the loot was probably only worth about 5 mil, risk against reward..........u run the risk that u might be able to loot that thanatos bp from the wreck or blow it up with the destroyer that people is risk vs reward. damn if i saw an afk carebear hauling through highsec with over 1 bil isk worth of loot, i'd blow him in an instant and have my corpie loot the wreck.
risk vs reward example.......0.9 system, badger 2 trveling on autopilot to gate, T2 fitted raven (with insurance) scans cargo and spots lots of high value loot, destroys badger, concord arrive and destroy T2 fitted raven, corp mate of raven pilot loots wreck only to find civilian shield booster survived, everything else destroyed raven value 6-700 mil, insurance payout 80mil, total gain/loss= -520mil isk, there is ur risk vs reward, learn from ur mistakes, dont afk haul in high sec with an untanked paper bag, use a ship that can tank for as long as neccesary to ensure ur survival and ur enemies demise, ps. if i see u hauling afk around my hq system im gunna risk it for 1 bil isk aswell
The system is geared as best as it can be IMHO.
Hisec is full of lag, and even more so when you draw another 20-30 concord ships after the first shots are fired. They could add 50 concord and make it so when someone gets hisec ganked that it shuts down the node - no more traveling through that area until the next reset - due to the lag.
The problem isn't concord doing a poor job, the problem is that the game is maturing and more wealth is in the system than ever before. I don't think it was ever CCPs intention to build a game where people would stay in Hisec for 4 years and never leave.
It's the equivalent of the 40 year old living in his/hers parent's basement while making $180k/yr.
So now we have ships floating around in hisec with gob-tons of solid 24k gold bars, and individuals surprised that others are finding ways to take it from them. People are now saying, "0.0 is safer than hisec!", well no kidding!? I don't have to worry about crossing 2000 pilots every 30 seconds.
I say to you, if you ARE wealthy, if you HAVE balls, start a corp and start thinking about moving out because hisec is only going to continue to grow until people realize they don't HAVE to live there. You've grown up. You're a fully competent EvE pod pilot. Move out Jr., mom wants to make the basement into her crafts den.
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:25:00 -
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dude.. looking at your cargo and on the instapop-ship youve been flying...
<Simpsons character="Nelson">haha</Simpsons>
i mean wtf do you think by transporting that huge amount of isk in the cargohold of a ship that can be instapopped (or like in this case almost-instapopped i guess)? i mean, did you expect that no one would throw a cargo scanner on you, make a quick calculation and come to the conclusion that one raven (and a trasher) is less worth than your cargo?... you should at least have had the cargo in containers - and maybe used a ship that can tank long enough for concorde to arrive. You can blame this game for your stupidity.
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Xaeon
Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
Quote: zero risk????? i think the kill mail says it all, a raven with faction ammo and probably faction mods to help tank concord for that extra second to blow up that destroyer with valuable cargo.....only to see on the kill mail that the pirate destroyed 1 bil isk worth of the cargo and the loot was probably only worth about 5 mil, risk against reward..........u run the risk that u might be able to loot that thanatos bp from the wreck or blow it up with the destroyer that people is risk vs reward. damn if i saw an afk carebear hauling through highsec with over 1 bil isk worth of loot, i'd blow him in an instant and have my corpie loot the wreck.
Please don't bother posting if you have no clue wtf your talking about. Noone is going to use faction mods to suicide gank LOL!!!! Even if your not filling your cargo hold with it hahahah you got enough + a bit extra to get the job done and faction ammo is hardly that expensive. We are talking about enough ammo to last 10-20 seconds TOPS. If they think they will need a little extra DPS they don;t load up faction gear they use more than one ship. WTF use a raven when you can use 2-3 caracals?
An insured raven is not that expensive, provided your not buying them off the market at 95M a pop most people will have a producer to supply them for EXACT cost so after insurance the loss is probably 10 million.
Also the situation you describe about the loot blowing up is rare and when it does happen again.... 10 mill to replace that raven, when the loot doesnt blow up 1 billion profit....Okay so let's stop the utter stupity here people are not suicide ganking because it is a great way to grind out 15 mill an hour profit. so please stop pretending that the risk vs reward is completely out of wack, and stop pretending there is something risky, or dangerous about sitting at a gate all day long.....
There are no guarantees of success as the example shows here. The net loss for the Raven was about 80m once the insurance was paid out, and the mods that dropped may just cover that.
In addition to that security status goes down, and it is a pain in the arse to fix - especially if you have to do it regularly.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 "Oh to qoute Oveur....
High Sec is Safer... not totally safe..."
That is fair enough but they need to rebalance things so that there is some significant penalty for suiciding for profit, and give it a resonable chance to fail. right now there are several ships that can be used to suicide gank that only cost the owner between 4-8 mill to replace ( brutix domi ). That is what I beleive the problem is right now. Also for what ever reason industrial ships are paper PAPER thin they should nto be. They give up offense, and speed no reason they should have not much more of a tank than a frigate.
To grant suicide ganking some risk and serious chance for failure scanning should be a hostile action, or there should be a mod that can block scanning. right now there really is NO counter to suicide ganking besides don't transport anything of value.
So no it doesnt have to be 100% safe but it shouldn't be the be all end all place for pirates to site humping gates scanning ships either. There is no reason you shouldnt need a well equipped ship to accomplish a suicide gank in empire, as opposed to a ship that could barely complete a level 3 mission.
You misrepresent the situation. I challenge you to do this: - Get a ship with 3 mid slots. Frigates are nice with the quick lock time. - Load it with a passive targeter, cargo, and ship scanner - Sit on a busy gate and just observe. Just watch people go by. It's really kind of interesting on it's own as an Eve activity.
Seriously. I think you would be shocked just how many players load out their indys with just cargo expanders. That's it. Nothing else. No shield extenders, no hardners, no reppers or shield boosters, nada. Now what does a cargo expander do besides expand the cargo bay? Oh, right! Reduces structure HP. Paper thin? By player intention, apparently.
Now, just how many of those types of indys are flying on autopilot? A metric buttload. So, already we are down at least minus two points on the risk avoidance clue-o-meter. Now how many of those are stuffed to the expanded gills with expensive goodies?
After awhile you can't help but feel sad for Eve since it has apparently become so safe that such a large percentage of players feel no need to take precautions. At all.
But, ok. You're taking a different tact. You are arguing that the ganker faces no risk. Well, that's not entirely true either: - Take a look at his kill mail. How many of the loot that was worth alot went poof? That's part of the risk. - The victim gets kill rights on the killer for a month. **** off the wrong guy and you become a pretty easy target if all you are doing is sitting on gates, yeah? No risk of being ganked? - The killer takes a -.5~ security rating hit - The killer risks getting nothing at all if the random CONCORD spawn time doesn't go his way and they show up and jams him a bit too soon.
I agree insurance shouldn't be paid. But, tbh, that's a bit of a "so what?" if CCP changes it to that. I can load out a vexor for around 8mil that can pop these cargo expanded, ap'ing dufuses no prob in a .5 system.
I agree that it shouldn't be done by disposable alts in NPC corps. CCP has policies against recycling alts, and NPC corps still need some nerfing. Imo you should face a war dec consequence should you step on the wrong toes. Yet another risk in this particular instance. The killer on this one doesn't know if he just popped the alt of one of his alliances current allies. He may have just influenced a swing vote on a standings reset. Hard to say with all the alts in Eve.
So it isn't exactly 100% accurate to say there is no risks on the gankers side.
But the real point is people need to stop taking things for granted. The power is in the victim's hands to avoid this stuff. Thousands of other players are able to do it. I still see no reason to cater to the lazy.
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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 WTZ won't save you soon they will start getting you on the exit side of the gate m8. It is easy enough now to not bother but as soon as everyone starts WTZ to avoid them they will just camp the exit hole . which will grant them PLENTY of time to blow up an indy.
What? Do you even know what you're talking about?
Realize we aren't talking about freighters here...
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Originally by: DILLI GAF This is suppose to be a ROLE PLAYING GAME meaning we chose the path we want to follow. I chose to stay out of harms way and got screwed anyway.
Safer, not safe.
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:43:00 -
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Quote: Please don't bother posting if you have no clue wtf your talking about. Noone is going to use faction mods to suicide gank LOL!!!! Even if your not filling your cargo hold with it hahahah you got enough + a bit extra to get the job done and faction ammo is hardly that expensive. We are talking about enough ammo to last 10-20 seconds TOPS. If they think they will need a little extra DPS they don;t load up faction gear they use more than one ship. WTF use a raven when you can use 2-3 caracals?
i was just using an example for risk vs reward to prove that there is a risk, yes i know using faction mods would be stupid to suicide gank, hence the word "probably" so shove ur "u have no clue". and as for no one doing it, ive seen quite a few people do it, cnr video a few posts down if i recall and he got no reward for that! when an oportunity knocks, are u going to pass it by, as for the loot being rarely being destroyed, there is a post in the crime and punishment nearly every week about billions of isk worth of loot being destroyed,
Quote: Okay so let's stop the utter stupity here people are not suicide ganking because it is a great way to grind out 15 mill an hour profit. so please stop pretending that the risk vs reward is completely out of wack, and stop pretending there is something risky, or dangerous about sitting at a gate all day long.....
yes stop the stupidity, first the offensive comments perhaps... and i never said risk vs reward was out of wack, i was just stating an example, yes there can be little risk but at the same time there are monumental risks, so just think before u post. i know i do
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The Hooch
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:45:00 -
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Boohoohoo, I got ganked my first day in Eve. I learned the hard way. Grow some!
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Christari Zuborov
Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
Quote: EVE is risk vs reward.
Well if you want to sell that concept then EVE needs to be risky for ALL players then. Please detail the risk of sitting around at gates in insured ships 100% safe from being ganked yourself, scanning ships safely as they pass by with out risk as you wait for one with enough cargo to justify suiciding on, knowing with 100% certainty you will make profit from your suicide.
The problem is not the suiciding per say, the problem is there is ZERO RISK to suicide ganking you will literally never encounter a situation where you will loose money. So why does everyone else supposed to shoulder all the risk in EVE but not them? This might sound crazy but commen sense would dictate that suicide ganking should be one of the MOST risky activities in all EVE. I mean you are planning certain death to your ship by commiting a crime right in front of the police... yet it has ZERO risk? /boggle
There's no assurance that his buddies are in warp at the exact moment. There's no assurance that a logistics ship flying nearby isn't in gang and prepared to shield/armor rep at the drop of a hat. There's no assurance of any sort, just the type of assurance that you want to see it as, in a world where there's no creativity and no imagination due to self isolation of that which is "hi sec only" players.
You cannot know how to protect yourself if you never leave an utopian area. Babe in woods, looking for a good railing, or in this case a good autocannon'ing. This person tried to be low profile by using a ship that most would ignore, and got caught.
Sour grapes...
While I am not against suicide ganking, it has is charms, plase be honest. Saying that the ganker is not assured to gaining from ganking is not the same that his risking something.
In the end the tipical ganker can lose some milions from a insured ship if he fail completly (don't kill the ship or the wreck content is stolen), but he only need a decent hit to recover and gain.
So he really risk nothing (only the time he spend waiting). For me I would see a system where CONCORD don't always get there (at least if you are ganking away from the gates), but where there is a chance of CONCORD reacting even in low sec (something like a 10% chance for sec level, i.e. 10% in 0.1, 100% in 1.0). That will balance more the sec of the systems.
Or a very specific reaction window: i.e. 1 second after the first shot is fired in 1.0 CONCORD get there, 5 minutes (or something similar) in 0.1. And no automatic following of a ship warping away, but a chance changing with the sec level.
That will reflect much better RL, where you can be stopped in a rich area by the police simply because you "don't fit there", while it will react late in a bad neighboroud.
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Venkul Mul
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Originally by: banner lol great to see M-D-K keeping the carebears on their toes, so wat did they manage to loot from ur wreck, as u say 1 bil isk of materials were destroyed but how much value was looted?
Quote: The problem is not the suiciding per say, the problem is there is ZERO RISK to suicide ganking you will literally never encounter a situation where you will loose money. So why does everyone else supposed to shoulder all the risk in EVE but not them? This might sound crazy but commen sense would dictate that suicide ganking should be one of the MOST risky activities in all EVE. I mean you are planning certain death to your ship by commiting a crime right in front of the police... yet it has ZERO risk? /boggle
zero risk????? i think the kill mail says it all, a raven with faction ammo and probably faction mods to help tank concord for that extra second to blow up that destroyer with valuable cargo.....only to see on the kill mail that the pirate destroyed 1 bil isk worth of the cargo and the loot was probably only worth about 5 mil, risk against reward..........u run the risk that u might be able to loot that thanatos bp from the wreck or blow it up with the destroyer that people is risk vs reward. damn if i saw an afk carebear hauling through highsec with over 1 bil isk worth of loot, i'd blow him in an instant and have my corpie loot the wreck.
risk vs reward example.......0.9 system, badger 2 trveling on autopilot to gate, T2 fitted raven (with insurance) scans cargo and spots lots of high value loot, destroys badger, concord arrive and destroy T2 fitted raven, corp mate of raven pilot loots wreck only to find civilian shield booster survived, everything else destroyed raven value 6-700 mil, insurance payout 80mil, total gain/loss= -520mil isk, there is ur risk vs reward, learn from ur mistakes, dont afk haul in high sec with an untanked paper bag, use a ship that can tank for as long as neccesary to ensure ur survival and ur enemies demise, ps. if i see u hauling afk around my hq system im gunna risk it for 1 bil isk aswell
You have dimnstered that stupid gankers can lose money, I stand corrected .
Ganking in a faction ship with T2 fitting? WOW
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Posted - 2007.07.18 19:00:00 -
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i admit that i over exagerated on the post about a T2 fitted rav, i for 1 wouldnt do it but it has been done, it just demonstrates the risk involved, yes u may lose 10 mil on the raven from insurance but that doesnt include fittings, and as was stated above, wat if someone else loots the wreck before u, 1 bil profit down the drain for being slow, and some else gains for nothing,
mental note, slap corp mate for being slow
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.07.18 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: DILLI GAF Edited by: DILLI GAF on 18/07/2007 18:59:25 I have created a POLL for everyone to vote on. I see a lot of comments and a lot of different opinions. Place your Vote Here
Nice Eve RMT sponsor there...
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calyannanna
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Posted - 2007.07.18 19:06:00 -
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Im sorry everybody, I would have never helped kill him if I had known he would be such a whiny girl about it
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.18 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: DILLI GAF Edited by: DILLI GAF on 18/07/2007 18:59:25 I have created a POLL for everyone to vote on. I see a lot of comments and a lot of different opinions. Place your Vote Here
We need a smiley for this -
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DILLI GAF
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Posted - 2007.07.18 20:11:00 -
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It is obvious to me that EVE is filled with all the deadbeats in the world. All of you feel is that criminal action should be allowed, even in high security space. I hope I see you on the streets some day! Wip the crap out of you and say sorry. Thanks for the wallet though.
I play eve to have fun. Having pirates and thugs running around is not my idea of fun. There are someof us that chose to avoid these areas because we are not PVP'ers. We are industrial, science and business people.
I admit I made a mistake. If CCP gives me back my stuff that is great but I can admit I took the chance. I can replace what I had. I just want to bring an issue up that I feel should be addressed by CCP. This is not just myself talking out my butt. There are others that agree with me on this.
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thatguyinpc
Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.18 20:26:00 -
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I'm of the opinion that we need two fixes for this.
First: No insurance pay out if you ship is destroyed by concord.
Second: A high slot mod that blocks cargo/ship scanning.
This should resolve most of the problems with the exception of freighters.
Guy
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Barkode
Fourth Dimension
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Posted - 2007.07.18 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: DILLI GAF It is obvious to me that EVE is filled with all the deadbeats in the world. All of you feel is that criminal action should be allowed, even in high security space. I hope I see you on the streets some day! Wip the crap out of you and say sorry. Thanks for the wallet though.
I play eve to have fun. Having pirates and thugs running around is not my idea of fun. There are someof us that chose to avoid these areas because we are not PVP'ers. We are industrial, science and business people.
I admit I made a mistake. If CCP gives me back my stuff that is great but I can admit I took the chance. I can replace what I had. I just want to bring an issue up that I feel should be addressed by CCP. This is not just myself talking out my butt. There are others that agree with me on this.
Cool! Real life threats!
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Ki An
Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.18 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: DILLI GAF It is obvious to me that EVE is filled with all the deadbeats in the world. All of you feel is that criminal action should be allowed, even in high security space. I hope I see you on the streets some day! Wip the crap out of you and say sorry. Thanks for the wallet though.
Just so you know, I'm 6'20" with fists the size of dinner plates. I also like to pet kittens.
Originally by: DILLI GAF
I play eve to have fun. Having pirates and thugs running around is not my idea of fun. There are someof us that chose to avoid these areas because we are not PVP'ers. We are industrial, science and business people.
Well, what you fail to realize is that the pirates play for fun too. Their idea of fun is to blow you up and get you to whine about it on the forums. If you want to deny them that pleasure, avoid getting blown up, and stay off the forums.
Originally by: DILLI GAF
I admit I made a mistake. If CCP gives me back my stuff that is great but I can admit I took the chance. I can replace what I had. I just want to bring an issue up that I feel should be addressed by CCP. This is not just myself talking out my butt. There are others that agree with me on this.
You won't get your stuff back, so quit asking.
/Ki
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Renosha Argaron
Caldari The Celestial Free Miner's Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.07.18 20:50:00 -
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The fact this guys lost his stuff in a destroyer is niether here nor there....i actualy think it was a shrewd move....moving things in a smaller ship these days is actualy a good idea....seeing as frieghters are major targets for suicide gankers these days.
You so called pirates make me sick......the fact you justify your scummy actions by saying its Role Play is even worse and just pathetic, the fact you loose all your RL morals over a game and blame it on roleplay is sad to the point of loonasy.
And for those a-holes who say this guy is moaning over nothing...then i would love to see your reaction at loosing all your belongings that you worked hard for in one swoop...i hope your next sh*t's are hedgehog's and comes out backwards.
High sec should be just that....HIGH SECURITY ....this game is becoming less enjoyable by the day to play....and the actions of some are discouraging new players from joining and makeing old players want to leave to join other gamming communitys....of whom i know a few.
Ganking in high sec is damaging this game and CCP will soon see the effects of these actions on there revinue soon enough...then it will be to late....recent scandles have already made players distrusting of CCP...and the fact concord seem to be useless in high sec are just making things worse.
I treat people on eve how i would treat any person in RL....i give people respect until they do something for me to withdraw that respect and im very proud of the fact that i bring my RL morals along for the ride with me on to eve.
Anyway iv said my piece....i voted NO....CCP should not allow pirating and suicide ganking in high sec....and the best way to discourage this behaviour is to make those who do so....pay those people back whom they gank in the first place by looking at the killmail and holding those who took part accountable for there actions.
End of rant *Exhales*.....lol....Out with anger and in with love
Regards
Renosha
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Ki An
Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.18 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Renosha Argaron The fact this guys lost his stuff in a destroyer is niether here nor there....i actualy think it was a shrewd move....moving things in a smaller ship these days is actualy a good idea....seeing as frieghters are major targets for suicide gankers these days.
No, it's a stupid idea, and the people who do this are the people getting ganked. How many freighters have gotten ganked since the Concord patch? Can you count them on one hand? One finger?
Originally by: Renosha Argaron
You so called pirates make me sick......the fact you justify your scummy actions by saying its Role Play is even worse and just pathetic, the fact you loose all your RL morals over a game and blame it on roleplay is sad to the point of loonasy.
Yes, we are all murderers in RL. You must be a crying drama queen in RL if we are to deduce it from your forum behaviour.
Originally by: Renosha Argaron
And for those a-holes who say this guy is moaning over nothing...then i would love to see your reaction at loosing all your belongings that you worked hard for in one swoop...i hope your next sh*t's are hedgehog's and comes out backwards.
Nobody is saying he's moaning over nothing. We are laughing at the fact that HE puts himself in the situation to lose all his stuff, and then comes here to whine about it.
Originally by: Renosha Argaron
High sec should be just that....HIGH SECURITY ....this game is becoming less enjoyable by the day to play....and the actions of some are discouraging new players from joining and makeing old players want to leave to join other gamming communitys....of whom i know a few.
High sec is high security. And if you're going to quit, I'd say good riddance and can I have your stuff?
Originally by: Renosha Argaron
Ganking in high sec is damaging this game and CCP will soon see the effects of these actions on there revinue soon enough...then it will be to late....recent scandles have already made players distrusting of CCP...and the fact concord seem to be useless in high sec are just making things worse.
No, ganking in high sec isn't damaging the game. It wasn't when it started in 2003, and it isn't now. YOU are damaging this game by constant whining on the forum for changes. (By YOU I mean the quoted poster and all the whiney carebears in this thread.)
Originally by: Renosha Argaron
I treat people on eve how i would treat any person in RL....i give people respect until they do something for me to withdraw that respect and im very proud of the fact that i bring my RL morals along for the ride with me on to eve.
Good for you. I don't.
Originally by: Renosha Argaron
Anyway iv said my piece....i voted NO....CCP should not allow pirating and suicide ganking in high sec....and the best way to discourage this behaviour is to make those who do so....pay those people back whom they gank in the first place by looking at the killmail and holding those who took part accountable for there actions.
Won't happen, because thankfully CCP are able to think things through.
/Ki
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.18 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: DILLI GAF I play eve to have fun. Having pirates and thugs running around is not my idea of fun.
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DILLI GAF
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Posted - 2007.07.18 21:15:00 -
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OK... I want to get something straight here with all you! I am not WHINNING! I addmitted I took the risk.
This whole forum discussion was to discuss everyones thoughts about high sec pirating. Not the fact i lost my ****! I have plenty of isk to buy that crap over and over.
I just want opinions on the real topic at hand.
Ki An -- You must be a woman... The way you nit pick everyones thread... god I would stick a knife in my eye listening to that crap all the time.
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Ki An
Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.18 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: DILLI GAF OK... I want to get something straight here with all you! I am not WHINNING! I addmitted I took the risk.
Sounds like a whine, smells like a whine... it must be... not a whine?
Originally by: DILLI GAF
This whole forum discussion was to discuss everyones thoughts about high sec pirating. Not the fact i lost my ****! I have plenty of isk to buy that crap over and over.
Then why whine? Oh, wait... you weren't whining... Well, we've got a good discussion about high sec piracy, don't you think? Most are fore it, a couple are against it. What can you say? Can't please everyone?
Originally by: DILLI GAF
I just want opinions on the real topic at hand.
You've got it.
Originally by: DILLI GAF
Ki An -- You must be a woman...
What
Originally by: DILLI GAF
The way you nit pick everyones thread...
do
Originally by: DILLI GAF
god I would stick a knife
you
Originally by: DILLI GAF
in my eye
mean
Originally by: DILLI GAF listening to that crap
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Originally by: DILLI GAF all the time.
nitpicking?
/Ki
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.07.18 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Renosha Argaron The fact this guys lost his stuff in a destroyer is niether here nor there....i actualy think it was a shrewd move....moving things in a smaller ship these days is actualy a good idea....seeing as frieghters are major targets for suicide gankers these days.
You're half right. A destroyer works great *IF* you fly it manually. Use warp to zero. Jump as soon as you hit the gate, etc. Use autopilot and a destroyer is actually one of the worst choices.
Originally by: Renosha Argaron
High sec should be just that....HIGH SECURITY ....this game is becoming less enjoyable by the day TO PLAY....and the actions of some are discouraging new players from joining and makeing old players want to leave to join other gamming communitys....of whom i know a few.
This is where your rant breaks down a little bit. Because he wasn't actually playing when it happened. He was on autopilot, and him, the human at the other end of the wire, was doing who knows what.
You see, every one of these threads that comes up, all I hear at the core of it is, "We should be able to AVOID what we think is boring by using autopilot and still be 100% safe".
It's more or less demanding the ability to NOT actively play the game and still get things done with no worry about risks. That's a hard sell. So, it's a bit ironic that you would say the game is becomming less enjoyable to "play".
Originally by: Renosha Argaron
Anyway iv said my piece....i voted NO....CCP should not allow pirating and suicide ganking in high sec....and the best way to discourage this behaviour is to make those who do so....pay those people back whom they gank in the first place by looking at the killmail and holding those who took part accountable for there actions.
War dec Triumvirate. Hire some mercs to harass them. Round up some domi's and suicide pop their stuff... Whatever. Eve is a game of competition regardless of how much you close your eyes and chant, "I'm a nice person. I'm a nice person. Everyone should be like me".
So why does CCP need to intercede? Why does the level of competition need to be reduced? There's tools in game to create the consequences you feel are appropriate. At least the attacker had the brass to use his alliance character rather than some NPC corp alt (which I find very tacky, those that do).
It's a positive outcome overall though. He served as an excellent example for others and hopefully quite a few other people have read some things here and learned how to avoid it themselves. I would hope your corp is now better educated on how to move expensive stuff around as well.
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Renosha Argaron
Caldari The Celestial Free Miner's Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.07.18 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Renosha Argaron on 18/07/2007 21:40:03
Originally by: Ki An No, it's a stupid idea, and the people who do this are the people getting ganked. How many freighters have gotten ganked since the Concord patch? Can you count them on one hand? One finger?.
Well you must have very fat fingers then or freaky hands with extra digits as had you payed any attention to the forums lately you will see the fact after the last patch that frieghters now drop loot makes them prime targets.....i guess having hands the size of plates aint always a good thing huh?
Originally by: Ki An Yes, we are all murderers in RL. You must be a crying drama queen in RL if we are to deduce it from your forum behaviour.
Well Pot Kettle & Black spring to mind...your over use of the quote button and your "LOOK AT ME" forum attitude speaks volumes.
Originally by: Ki An Nobody is saying he's moaning over nothing. We are laughing at the fact that HE puts himself in the situation to lose all his stuff, and then comes here to whine about it.
Well oppinions are like a-holes...everyone has one it would seem...lol
Originally by: Ki An High sec is high security. And if you're going to quit, I'd say good riddance and can I have your stuff?
I dont deal with beggers on the street so i sure as sh*t aint gonna give you anything m8....lol...if your that hard up ....im sure the big issue are lookin for staff.
Originally by: Ki An No, ganking in high sec isn't damaging the game. It wasn't when it started in 2003, and it isn't now. YOU are damaging this game by constant whining on the forum for changes. (By YOU I mean the quoted poster and all the whiney carebears in this thread.)
Well last i checked...the forum was free for all to post on....so untill you get yourself a lil shiney moderators button....take a chill pill...theres a good chappy....lol
Originally by: Ki An Good for you. I don't.
You prob never had any morals to start with m8 so hey-ho.
Originally by: Ki An Won't happen, because thankfully CCP are able to think things through.
Thats very debatable also.
Renosha
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Ki An
Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.18 21:50:00 -
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Ice burn, Renosha. Sad that you're a wee bit too much of a drama queen to avoid coming off as a whiner even in your rebuttal. Let's go through your post shall we?
Originally by: Rnosha Argaron Well you must have very fat fingers then or freaky hands with extra digits as had you payed any attention to the forums lately you will see the fact after the last patch that frieghters now drop loot makes them prime targets.....i guess having hands the size of plates aint always a good thing huh?
I am well aware of that. However, have you noticed a distinct lack of "OMG MAI FREITER GOT GANKED!!!11" posts lately? That's because CCP changed Concord to jam drones and make suicide ganking freighters a LOT harder. So, it's back to targetting the stupid people for the suicide gankers. Thanks for the insult though. Must have felt good.
Originally by: Rnosha Argaron
Well Pot Kettle & Black spring to mind...your over use of the quote button and your "LOOK AT ME" forum attitude speaks volumes.
What does it say about me? I would be very interested to know what a bed room psychiatrist would have to say about it.
Originally by: Rnosha Argaron
Well oppinions are like a-holes...everyone has one it would seem...lol
You're not making sense. What oppinions? What in my post was an oppinion?
Originally by: Rnosha Argaron
I dont deal with beggers on the street so i sure as sh*t aint gonna give you anything m8....lol...if your that hard up ....im sure the big issue are lookin for staff.
The big issue? Is that a corp? But thanks anyway, though I'm quite well off, as I have some juicy 0.0 regions to rat in.
Originally by: Rnosha Argaron
Well last i checked...the forum was free for all to post on....so untill you get yourself a lil shiney moderators button....take a chill pill...theres a good chappy....lol
Well, of course you are allowed to vent your oppinions. I was just letting you know that oppinions like yours are damaging to the game. Keep spamming them for all I care. Just don't expect anyone (important) to agree with you.
Originally by: Rnosha Argaron
You prob never had any morals to start with m8 so hey-ho.
What's with you and the RL insults, eh? Got a little anger problem there?
Originally by: Rnosha Argaron
Thats very debatable also.
Nope.
As a closing, I'd like to point out that over use of the word 'lol' shows that the poster had a rough childhood where laughter was not allowed in the house. There are many therapists who deal with people like this, but as I have identified your problem, hopefully you'll be able to take matters into your own hands. That's some quasi-psychology for you.
/Ki
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Renosha Argaron
Caldari The Celestial Free Miner's Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.07.18 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68
You're half right. A destroyer works great *IF* you fly it manually. Use warp to zero. Jump as soon as you hit the gate, etc. Use autopilot and a destroyer is actually one of the worst choices.
Roy i would see your point had he been in low sec and been on auto pilot, but that was not the case....autopilot is there for a reason.
Originally by: Roy Batty68 This is where your rant breaks down a little bit. Because he wasn't actually playing when it happened. He was on autopilot, and him, the human at the other end of the wire, was doing who knows what.
You see, every one of these threads that comes up, all I hear at the core of it is, "We should be able to AVOID what we think is boring by using autopilot and still be 100% safe".
It's more or less demanding the ability to NOT actively play the game and still get things done with no worry about risks. That's a hard sell. So, it's a bit ironic that you would say the game is becomming less enjoyable to "play".
Its not a case of avoiding things we find boring....i never said that....all im saying is the guy was in high sec...regardless if he was on autopilot or what ship he was in....traviling threw high sec should be relativly safe if you are not under the threat of war dec's.....and yes it has become less enjoyable....thats just my view...i dont take please out of picking on the week and vulnarable...its just not my thing...
and im not trying to be liked by all either....lol...i dont realy care what people think of me...as those who know me know im a fair and decent person and would give anyone who needed it a helping hand....but thats just me.....im not asking for everyone to be like me or employ my ethics.....but loosing one's morals over i game i really do find pathetic....and ganking in high sec should,nt be alowed....CCP even took steps in the last patch to sheild noob players from this exact action.....so they should also extent that protection to all in high sec.
Regards
Renosha
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DILLI GAF
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Posted - 2007.07.18 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: DILLI GAF on 18/07/2007 21:58:56 Edited by: DILLI GAF on 18/07/2007 21:55:42 Ki An Cant you take your WHINNING to another thread. This one is about High Security Pitrating.
Go away unless you have a real opinion. Stop the quotes also... your eating up all the page space!
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Ki An
Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.18 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: DILLI GAF Edited by: DILLI GAF on 18/07/2007 21:55:42 DUDE!!! Cant you take your WHINNING to another thread. This one is about High Security Pitrating.
Go away unless you have a real opinion. Stop the quotes also... your eating up all the page space!
Temper, temper. Calm down a little, and we'll have a discussion.
/Ki
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DILLI GAF
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:16:00 -
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I want to point a few things out to people here.
1.Not all of us have time to spend drooling in front of our computer playing a game. This is why I have enjoyed EVE. There are many tasks I can perform with out having to be right there. I am sure I am not the only one who feels this way. 2.People buy High End Items in EVE all the time. If there is no safe place for us to obtain these items we may as well pull the plug on Concord and make the game the Wild West. 3.EVE is a unique environment which sets it apart. However, They do need to cater to all who play. If pirates want to *****and pillage then they should be allowed to do so in low sec systems. But if people like my self who are industrialist and business people we should feel like we have a game environment to play in as well. 4.I am sure this will happen again to many others. If we want to see EVE grow then I feel CCP should really look at this EXPLOIT! Other wise we should all camp in Jita and GANK everyone that comes in. This is the mother load. Unfortunately Large Corps control the game economy so us small guys trying to make it in the game are being EXPLOITED because of the suicide pirating.
My thoughtsà you donÆt have to like them. They are mine.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Renosha Argaron regardless if he was on autopilot or what ship he was in....traviling threw high sec should be relativly safe if you are not under the threat of war dec's
It is relatively safe. You're trying to make it sound like ganking is happening left right and center. It only happens if you carry stuff worth ganking you for. Expecting you to take some minor steps, like actually being at the keyboard, to protect hundreds of millions of ISK worth of stuff is not asking a lot. -
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Tarkam
Caldari Dirt Nap Squad FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:18:00 -
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Dilli Gaf, I can say I used to be you, until that happened to me. I autopiloted everywhere, Ran Away from lo-sec, and hated pirates.
So what happened to me was that, I was doing a little trade run. I jump into a system and see a BS. Of course my Freighter got WTFPWNED as he had friends. Now I am in a 0.0 Alliance PvPing all the time. Occasionally going yarring. I DONT Autopilot anywhere now. I learned and the game is more fun for me now.
Now High sec should not be safe. You are all saying I want to be able to make 10!0!!!!oneone11 tril isk w/o having a chance to lose it. I agree it should be a little riskier for gatecampe suicides.
As everyone has been saying this game is risk verse reward.
If highsec is 100% safe I want... hell i dont even know what I would want. Just so hard to find something to equivilate( if thats a word). just my 2 cents Why dont we all just get along.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: DILLI GAF I want to point a few things out to people here.
1.Not all of us have time to spend drooling in front of our computer playing a game. This is why I have enjoyed EVE. There are many tasks I can perform with out having to be right there.
Moving lots of expensive stuff it not one of them.
Originally by: DILLI GAF 2.People buy High End Items in EVE all the time. If there is no safe place for us to obtain these items we may as well pull the plug on Concord and make the game the Wild West.
No, because only the idiots actually get killed with their expensive stuff. CONCORD are just fine for anyone with a modicum of sense.
Originally by: DILLI GAF 3.EVE is a unique environment which sets it apart. However, They do need to cater to all who play. If pirates want to *****and pillage then they should be allowed to do so in low sec systems. But if people like my self who are industrialist and business people we should feel like we have a game environment to play in as well.
No, they 'need' to cater to whomever they wish to cater to. EVE is what it is, not what you want it to be.
Originally by: DILLI GAF 4.I am sure this will happen again to many others. If we want to see EVE grow then I feel CCP should really look at this EXPLOIT! Other wise we should all camp in Jita and GANK everyone that comes in. This is the mother load. Unfortunately Large Corps control the game economy so us small guys trying to make it in the game are being EXPLOITED because of the suicide pirating.
It is not an exploit. Repeat until you cease being ********. It is not an exploit. EVE is growing just fine. Being an idiot is a big impediment in this game, fortunately there is ample supply of non-idiot gamers to keep CCPs finances turning over. Your dislike of this tactic does not automatically cause it to harm EVE.
Originally by: DILLI GAF My thoughtsà you donÆt have to like them. They are mine.
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Renosha Argaron
Caldari The Celestial Free Miner's Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An Ice burn, Renosha. Sad that you're a wee bit too much of a drama queen to avoid coming off as a whiner even in your rebuttal. Let's go through your post shall we?
Ice burn?....lol
Originally by: Ki An I am well aware of that. However, have you noticed a distinct lack of "OMG MAI FREITER GOT GANKED!!!11" posts lately? That's because CCP changed Concord to jam drones and make suicide ganking freighters a LOT harder. So, it's back to targetting the stupid people for the suicide gankers. Thanks for the insult though. Must have felt good.?
Actualy frieghter gankings are regular and happen alot from what iv seen...and as for the insult part...im not the one claiming to have hands the size of dinner plate's...those where your words...i just elaborated a little....lol
Originally by: Ki An What does it say about me? I would be very interested to know what a bed room psychiatrist would have to say about it.
Hmmmmmm....do psychiatrist now council bed room's?...well....ya learn something new on here everyday.....lol
Originally by: Ki An You're not making sense. What oppinions? What in my post was an oppinion?
Ok your the font of all knowlage, they were ALL facts of corse.....lol
Originally by: Ki An The big issue? Is that a corp? But thanks anyway, though I'm quite well off, as I have some juicy 0.0 regions to rat in.
Google it!....and why ask for my stuff then if your so well off?
Originally by: Ki An Well, of course you are allowed to vent your oppinions. I was just letting you know that oppinions like yours are damaging to the game. Keep spamming them for all I care. Just don't expect anyone (important) to agree with you.
Well dont worry...if i come across anyone of importance i will let ya know...lol, and i dont expect everyone to agree with me....thats the fun thing about a debate and freedom of speach.
Originally by: Ki An What's with you and the RL insults, eh? Got a little anger problem there?.
It was'nt a real life insult at all...it was a judgement made on your actions and they way you respond to people on the forums im making a judgement on.....and no anger issues at all...im a shiney happy person....see>> LOL
Originally by: Ki An Nope.
As a closing, I'd like to point out that over use of the word 'lol' shows that the poster had a rough childhood where laughter was not allowed in the house. There are many therapists who deal with people like this, but as I have identified your problem, hopefully you'll be able to take matters into your own hands. That's some quasi-psychology for you.
/Ki
Well thanx for your diagnosis doctor....lol....that just saved me a fortune in therapy bills...YOU DA MAN!....lol....and what exactly is quasi-psychology?....does the therapist have a hump or someting?
In closing...lol...we are gonna have to agree to disagree on this or the flaming could go on all night.....but alas i actualy have a life....so fly safe you immoral pirate.....and remember....quasi-psychologist's are for life...not just for christmas
Regards
Renosha
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Ki An
Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Renosha Argaron
Actualy frieghter gankings are regular and happen alot from what iv seen...and as for the insult part...im not the one claiming to have hands the size of dinner plate's...those where your words...i just elaborated a little....lol
Disregarding the rest of your post, half of which was coherent, I'd like to inquire a bit about this. You say freighter ganks are regular and happens a lot? Where is this? Is it in high sec? Do you have ANY proof what so ever, or am I to take your word for this? Define a lot?
/Ki
... oh, forgot: lol
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DILLI GAF
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:30:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: DILLI GAF I want to point a few things out to people here.
1.Not all of us have time to spend drooling in front of our computer playing a game. This is why I have enjoyed EVE. There are many tasks I can perform with out having to be right there.
Moving lots of expensive stuff it not one of them.
Originally by: DILLI GAF 2.People buy High End Items in EVE all the time. If there is no safe place for us to obtain these items we may as well pull the plug on Concord and make the game the Wild West.
No, because only the idiots actually get killed with their expensive stuff. CONCORD are just fine for anyone with a modicum of sense.
Originally by: DILLI GAF 3.EVE is a unique environment which sets it apart. However, They do need to cater to all who play. If pirates want to *****and pillage then they should be allowed to do so in low sec systems. But if people like my self who are industrialist and business people we should feel like we have a game environment to play in as well.
No, they 'need' to cater to whomever they wish to cater to. EVE is what it is, not what you want it to be.
Originally by: DILLI GAF 4.I am sure this will happen again to many others. If we want to see EVE grow then I feel CCP should really look at this EXPLOIT! Other wise we should all camp in Jita and GANK everyone that comes in. This is the mother load. Unfortunately Large Corps control the game economy so us small guys trying to make it in the game are being EXPLOITED because of the suicide pirating.
It is not an exploit. Repeat until you cease being ********. It is not an exploit. EVE is growing just fine. Being an idiot is a big impediment in this game, fortunately there is ample supply of non-idiot gamers to keep CCPs finances turning over. Your dislike of this tactic does not automatically cause it to harm EVE.
Originally by: DILLI GAF My thoughtsà you donÆt have to like them. They are mine.
They're also wrong for the most part.
LIke I said... These were my thoughts not yours. You do not have to like them. I have a life outside the game so I dont regularly have time to fix my eyes on the screen as you.
Thanks for your input. It is noted.
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DILLI GAF
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:31:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Renosha Argaron
Actualy frieghter gankings are regular and happen alot from what iv seen...and as for the insult part...im not the one claiming to have hands the size of dinner plate's...those where your words...i just elaborated a little....lol
Disregarding the rest of your post, half of which was coherent, I'd like to inquire a bit about this. You say freighter ganks are regular and happens a lot? Where is this? Is it in high sec? Do you have ANY proof what so ever, or am I to take your word for this? Define a lot?
/Ki
... oh, forgot: lol
Watch EVE TV....
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:32:00 -
[87]
Originally by: DILLI GAF LIke I said... These were my thoughts not yours. You do not have to like them. I have a life outside the game so I dont regularly have time to fix my eyes on the screen as you.
Thanks for your input. It is noted.
I haven't had time to play EVE for 3 days
I like the subtle implication that I don't have a life BTW. It saves me from having to even try to take you seriously. -
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Ki An
Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:32:00 -
[88]
Originally by: DILLI GAF Watch EVE TV....
No thanks, I'm not as wealthy IRL as I am in game. Could you summarize it for me?
/Ki
Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"! |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:34:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: DILLI GAF Watch EVE TV....
No thanks, I'm not as wealthy IRL as I am in game. Could you summarize it for me?
/Ki
Originally by: EVETV A lot of whining has been going on over high-sec ganking.
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DILLI GAF
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:35:00 -
[90]
If I could donate you my credits I would. It is pretty boring but they did cover that in the first episode. Made mention that it is becoming a more common things now that freighters drop loot.
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Szprinkoth Sponsz
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:45:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Renosha Argaron
Roy i would see your point had he been in low sec and been on auto pilot, but that was not the case....autopilot is there for a reason.
Guns are there for a reason: For me to shoot your ship in highsec.
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Ki An
Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:50:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: DILLI GAF Watch EVE TV....
No thanks, I'm not as wealthy IRL as I am in game. Could you summarize it for me?
/Ki
Originally by: EVETV A lot of whining has been going on over high-sec ganking.
Lol! Is that it?
/Ki
Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"! |
Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:51:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Renosha Argaron
Roy i would see your point had he been in low sec and been on auto pilot, but that was not the case....autopilot is there for a reason. *snip for space* ....all im saying is the guy was in high sec...regardless if he was on autopilot or what ship he was in....traviling threw high sec should be relativly safe if you are not under the threat of war dec's
As I said, at the core of it it's about wanting the ability to take your security for granted. Without thought. Without planning.
That's the motivation. It's about removing risk without requiring any personal effort. I prefer a game that keeps you on your toes and requires you to think a bit. And it doesn't take that much extra effort to avoid this sort of thing in highsec.
So, my opinion hasn't changed. It's about wanting to be lazy. He played lazy and got burned. Now he and you are indignant and are coming here angrily demanding the right to continue to play lazy without consequence.
Sorry, still a hard sell.
Originally by: DILLI GAF I want to point a few things out to people here.
1.Not all of us have time to spend drooling in front of our computer playing a game. This is why I have enjoyed EVE. There are many tasks I can perform with out having to be right there. I am sure I am not the only one who feels this way.
Judas priest. Thanks for just coming out and saying it finally. So you don't have time to actually play Eve but you feel you should be able to make isk anyway. Advocate macroing as well?
Originally by: DILLI GAF
2.People buy High End Items in EVE all the time. If there is no safe place for us to obtain these items we may as well pull the plug on Concord and make the game the Wild West. 3.EVE is a unique environment which sets it apart. However, They do need to cater to all who play. If pirates want to *****and pillage then they should be allowed to do so in low sec systems. But if people like my self who are industrialist and business people we should feel like we have a game environment to play in as well.
People move highend stuff around all the time. And they do it without getting ganked. What's wrong with you?
Originally by: DILLI GAF
4.I am sure this will happen again to many others. If we want to see EVE grow then I feel CCP should really look at this EXPLOIT! Other wise we should all camp in Jita and GANK everyone that comes in. This is the mother load. Unfortunately Large Corps control the game economy so us small guys trying to make it in the game are being EXPLOITED because of the suicide pirating.
My thoughtsà you donÆt have to like them. They are mine.
It's not an exploit just because you say it is. Fit a tank, fit some istabs, use wtz, drool on your keyboard. CHANGE THE WAY YOU PLAY instead of demanding the game be changed to suit your lazy arse.
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DILLI GAF
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:57:00 -
[94]
Edited by: DILLI GAF on 18/07/2007 22:57:21 Like I said... It seems as though EVE is corrupted with a bunch of prix. I do plenty of thinking and plenty of planning. Just because I do not feel like flying all the time doesnt mean I am lazy... I do plenty in game to achieve what MY goal is. So I got burned this time... Thats fine.. I have learned that EVE is just jammed pack full of idiots like yourself. This is why I have a select few friends and only deal with them in game. EVE is an ego driven environment that will fall apart. Do you really think that it is going to get better going down the road we are going? I dont see it... I could be wrong and will admit it when I am proven otherwise. But until then There are plenty of others that feel the same way I do.
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Sean Dillon
Caldari Naughty 40
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Posted - 2007.07.18 23:02:00 -
[95]
Originally by: DILLI GAF Edited by: DILLI GAF on 18/07/2007 22:57:21 Like I said... It seems as though EVE is corrupted with a bunch of prix. I do plenty of thinking and plenty of planning. Just because I do not feel like flying all the time doesnt mean I am lazy... I do plenty in game to achieve what MY goal is. So I got burned this time... Thats fine.. I have learned that EVE is just jammed pack full of idiots like yourself. This is why I have a select few friends and only deal with them in game. EVE is an ego driven environment that will fall apart. Do you really think that it is going to get better going down the road we are going? I dont see it... I could be wrong and will admit it when I am proven otherwise. But until then There are plenty of others that feel the same way I do.
You take this game way to seriously, things like this have been going on for ages already.
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DILLI GAF
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Posted - 2007.07.18 23:05:00 -
[96]
Listen... I made the mistake of using auto pilot. No big deal. This whole discussion was brought on to get opinions. Not insults on how stupid i was or anyone else for that matter. I just wanted to see what everyone else thought about this and see what I have to look forward to.
I will change how I play. I am not quiting because of a small setback. No big deal.
Think about my name... DILLI GAF Do you know what it stands for?
Do I Look Like I
Give A F***
Its just a game guys/gals.... Lighten up. Just tell me your thoughts... thats it. I took the final blow not you.
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Sean Dillon
Caldari Naughty 40
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Posted - 2007.07.18 23:08:00 -
[97]
Did I meet ypur main in uedama last week?
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DILLI GAF
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Posted - 2007.07.18 23:12:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Sean Dillon Did I meet ypur main in uedama last week?
Dont know... who would that be anyway?
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Ki An
Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.18 23:13:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Ki An on 18/07/2007 23:13:40
Originally by: DILLI GAF Edited by: DILLI GAF on 18/07/2007 22:57:21 Like I said... It seems as though EVE is corrupted with a bunch of prix. I do plenty of thinking and plenty of planning. Just because I do not feel like flying all the time doesnt mean I am lazy... I do plenty in game to achieve what MY goal is. So I got burned this time... Thats fine.. I have learned that EVE is just jammed pack full of idiots like yourself. This is why I have a select few friends and only deal with them in game. EVE is an ego driven environment that will fall apart. Do you really think that it is going to get better going down the road we are going? I dont see it... I could be wrong and will admit it when I am proven otherwise. But until then There are plenty of others that feel the same way I do.
Yes, the fact that we disagree with you is because we are a bunch of 'prix' and has nothing at all to do with you having failed to understand the game you are playing, and being generally wrong in every possible way.
Look, you are obviously very young, but stop being so stubborn about this and try to accept the fact that this sort of thing has been going on for ages, isn't going to change, and is a major part of the game. Whining on the forums isn't going to help you against suicide gankers in the future. Altering the way you play the game is. Don't auto pilot with valuable cargo. Don't fill your paper ship with valuable cargo at all, get a transport/freighter/battleship for that. Be aware of your surroundings, and check the map. Don't make an ass out of yourself on the forums, as it will only paint a big target icon on your ship. You've already told every suicide ganker out there that you aren't about to change at all, and that you will keep putting billions in paper ships. Can anyone say 'locator agent'?
/Edit: Apparently you have now come to your senses. Good on you!
/Ki
Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"! |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.18 23:15:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: DILLI GAF Watch EVE TV....
No thanks, I'm not as wealthy IRL as I am in game. Could you summarize it for me?
/Ki
Originally by: EVETV A lot of whining has been going on over high-sec ganking.
Lol! Is that it?
/Ki
They do say there has been a 'massive' increase in attacks on freighters (which actually has no relevance to this thread), but no figures are given, and they point out that the CONCORD attacking drone change should cut down on it a bit. They then also point out that most players don't mind it. -
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.18 23:18:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Ki An Yes, the fact that we disagree with you is because we are a bunch of 'prix' and has nothing at all to do with you having failed to understand the game you are playing, and being generally wrong in every possible way.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.18 23:28:00 -
[102]
I am a Carebear. I have never ganked, scammed, stole, looted, etc anyone else in game. I never will. I whine (or DID whine) about Privateers. I run from wardecs, I don't engage when someone steals my ore, I am in a NPC corp now because I believe the wardec system is broken. I don't go to LowSec and have never been to 0.0 nor do I want to.
I have never been ganked (not that I don't think it will happen some day), I have never been scammed. Someday those things will happen because of the nature of the game, but when it does the ones that do it won't make any ISK; because I am careful. And because of players like you whining about it and warned me about such things before I had anything worth stealing There, I have admitted you have done a community service...
Ki An and I argue about just about every topic, our viewpoints are complete opposites in most things. Some of those topics have been borderline unpleasant and I have half-expected a visit in game for a few things I've said
Except this one. Seriously, I am glad you know where you went wrong and you are not quitting. But this is NOT a game issue; it is a player issue. You have been playing for over 2 years and YOU KNEW THE RISKS. And yet you still stuck incredibly valuable stuff in a ship that is made of tissue paper and then flew the slowest way you could, giving time to scan your cargo. Honestly? I would have been tempted...
And that is from a certified Carebear that has never shot at another player. <-----------> Factional Warfare:
The LowSec wars which never happened. |
Kinomoto Sakura
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.07.18 23:29:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 18/07/2007 18:46:45
Originally by: DILLI GAF This is suppose to be a ROLE PLAYING GAME meaning we chose the path we want to follow. I chose to stay out of harms way and got screwed anyway.
Safer, not safe.
If you want to stay out of harms way, stay in a station.
Oh, and it's not griefing, FFS.
I LOVE your signatures ---------------- Game The World.
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DILLI GAF
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Posted - 2007.07.18 23:38:00 -
[104]
Thank you all for your input. I have learned one thing here. EVE is not going to change. EVE is going to turn in to a corrupt community. So I suppose the only way I am going to gain in game is to take advantage of this concept.
No worries about opening up myself to being targeted... This character is gone. I realized that when i posted this thread. I will begin again and learn from everything you all have taught me today.
Good luck to you all and keep flying... one day it may be me at the other end painting you with my target painter.
Later and good night!
DILLI GAF is dead after tonight.
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Christari Zuborov
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.18 23:46:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Renosha Argaron
I treat people on eve how i would treat any person in RL....i give people respect until they do something for me to withdraw that respect and im very proud of the fact that i bring my RL morals along for the ride with me on to eve. Renosha
Please tell me you aren't really going here.
I mean, with all your morals and everything, what do they tell you about being an arms dealer?
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Lorimer
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Posted - 2007.07.18 23:50:00 -
[106]
Print + Secure Can + Warp to 0
or even
Print + Secure Can
That way the nasty "piwate's" with cargo scanners can't get ya
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.18 23:55:00 -
[107]
Originally by: DILLI GAF EVE is not going to change. EVE is going to turn in to a corrupt community.
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DILLI GAF
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Posted - 2007.07.18 23:59:00 -
[108]
I will translate... he is Minmatar so I will help.
Blue Print + Secure Can = Safety
Put your BPO/BPC in secure can so pirates cant scan. Not 100% but better then nothing.
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Rexxar Civire
Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.19 00:09:00 -
[109]
The system is not broken what so ever.
I lost a gank fitted raven and the loot I was going after blew up as well. I also took a risk that the Thanatos Blueprint was an original. ( there is no way to tell the difference via scanning )
So looking at it this way , ... its clear your mistake by autopiloting a Coercer through high sec only caused us both to lose. Suicide ganking is a very risky bussiness, especially when you use battleships.
For those that are unaware , ... there is no tanking concord , ... you get locked , .. you lag , ... and you are in a pod. Because i had torps fitted i almost didn't finish the job /thanks thrasher alt.
In the end i think i about broke even with what dropped , .. i might have lost a little. Either way i got shafted on the drops , ... and that is a functional risk.
You certainly learned not to autopilot billions again. I learned that i need to have my painters fitted
Rex
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DILLI GAF
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Posted - 2007.07.19 00:14:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Rexxar Civire The system is not broken what so ever.
I lost a gank fitted raven and the loot I was going after blew up as well. I also took a risk that the Thanatos Blueprint was an original. ( there is no way to tell the difference via scanning )
So looking at it this way , ... its clear your mistake by autopiloting a Coercer through high sec only caused us both to lose. Suicide ganking is a very risky bussiness, especially when you use battleships.
For those that are unaware , ... there is no tanking concord , ... you get locked , .. you lag , ... and you are in a pod. Because i had torps fitted i almost didn't finish the job /thanks thrasher alt.
In the end i think i about broke even with what dropped , .. i might have lost a little. Either way i got shafted on the drops , ... and that is a functional risk.
You certainly learned not to autopilot billions again. I learned that i need to have my painters fitted
Rex
No worries M8... It is a game. I have just never been in that situation so it took me by surprise. I can replace the bpo so no biggie. Maybe after i creat a new character i can contact you and learn from you on how to adapt to the NEW EVE. Well it is new to me so dont go off on that.
Mind me asking what you did come up with. I cant even remember what I had. Good thing I left all my other bpos behind in station for later transport. :)
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Ballistic CEO
The Ballistic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.07.19 00:18:00 -
[111]
This post can be answered in 2 words:
Transport Ship.
use the search filter you will find hundred of whiner threads called "IM QUITTING CAUSE I GOT GANKED IN HI SEC WAAAH!"
Im getting a little tired of CCP caving to pressure from people such as yourself that havent taken the time to ensure their own safety and i hope this thread gets what it deserves in teh CCP offices: a good laugh.
in parting here are another 2 words:
you fail.
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DILLI GAF
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Posted - 2007.07.19 00:22:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Ballistic CEO This post can be answered in 2 words:
Transport Ship.
use the search filter you will find hundred of whiner threads called "IM QUITTING CAUSE I GOT GANKED IN HI SEC WAAAH!"
Im getting a little tired of CCP caving to pressure from people such as yourself that havent taken the time to ensure their own safety and i hope this thread gets what it deserves in teh CCP offices: a good laugh.
in parting here are another 2 words:
you fail.
Here are 2 words for you...
Piz off
You haven't read all the threads... it is obvious... no whinning going on... i admitted fault. I just wanted to see what everyone else thought about the issue.
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DILLI GAF
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Posted - 2007.07.19 00:27:00 -
[113]
I am done with this discussion guys.
For those who have posted their opinion on the issue Thank You.
There is no need for insult to injury. I lost a lot on this deal and yes it was a learning experience.
I will continue playing EVE because I like the game. I however will take a new approach to the game in how I go about my business.
Thanks again for those who can have a true discussion.
FLY SAFE... There are a lot of CRAZT Fricking People out there!
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Ka5pian
Gallente Cylon Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.19 00:29:00 -
[114]
ANyone mind if I land my ROFLcopter here ;)
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Corben Ei
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Posted - 2007.07.19 00:47:00 -
[115]
I'll tell you what I think. I think that CCP should remove the Autopilot feature and Concorde. There is no need for any of it since it is useless anyway.
And then they can remove all Tech2 items and forget about the Tech3 items all along, because no one is going to produce them, and no one will fly with them anyway, since they are way to vulnerable and expensive to own.
When did you last see a larger tech2 ship like a Carrier or Dreadnought for sale in Empire? Or how about a Heavy Assault Ship or an Interdictor? In the end we are all going to fight it out in Frigates. No one has the money nor the talent to build anything larger than that, not the guts to fly it!
Without a safe place for technology and economy to prosper, the only ones who will gain are the big and strong factions like BoB, who has space enough to hide in and protect their investments, and the seasoned players who are already flying the big ships.
And with BoB caliming that they intend to take Empire when they have taken all low-sech space, it is out-right plain stupid by CCP not to make Empire a safer place to prosper and develop in, so that it at least will stand a fignting chance when they are coming.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.19 01:00:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Corben Ei When did you last see a larger tech2 ship like a Carrier or Dreadnought for sale in Empire?
Sigh -
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.19 01:23:00 -
[117]
I want my very own veldnaught... Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
Nerfageddon |
Kaishain
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Posted - 2007.07.19 01:32:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Kaishain on 19/07/2007 01:32:31 Does anyone know how viable suicideganks on freighters are these days. Before the patch people said that it took 20-25 Dominixes with T2 large drones to assure a freighterkill and that a cargo worth 2bil+ was enough reason to be attacked?
How many dominixes does it require post-patch? 40? 50?
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.19 01:49:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Crumplecorn on 19/07/2007 01:49:11
Originally by: Kaishain How many dominixes does it require post-patch? 40? 50?
OVER NINE-THOUSAAAAAND!
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Renosha Argaron
Caldari The Celestial Free Miner's Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.07.19 16:10:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Christari Zuborov Please tell me you aren't really going here.
I mean, with all your morals and everything, what do they tell you about being an arms dealer?
What exactly are you on about?....who is the arms dealer?
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Rabbitual Ferrier
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Posted - 2007.07.19 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Christari Zuborov Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 18/07/2007 17:05:58
Originally by: St0mper fellow eve-residents. if the cops dont uphold the law in places they are surposed to, how can they even begin to justify the taxes we are paying in this game, its an outrage taking loads of isk everytime, but only upholding the law and protection they are paid for when they are not eating donuts or out for coffe. its common knowledge that if you loose mods/ships during a glitch in the server you will get you money back, a glitch is excatly what has happend here. a player flying in no corps that could be at war, losing his ship, no matter what the loos is, it should be paied back. this is a game yes,,,, only a game and its fun, but as in every game there are guidelines and rules as to what you can and cannot do... if not eveyone would be god in every game. its also common knowledge that the cops are there for the protection of new players or people who just wants to sit back relax and mine or run missions, without thinking about the worries that a pirate could jump them and take away everything they have been working so hard to gain. just how do you justify taking money from people but not protecting them when its needed, get those damn ships up and running ccp they are there for our protection.... WTF sort this out!! we just want to have fun in the best game eve-r and know that we can fly safe somewhere. and hunt for sports in other locations...
If you were in Mogodishu, carrying $1,000,000,000 worth of the Queen's Crown Jewels, would you call the local police department to arrange security or would you hire a security team?
Same scenario different value, if you were in Mogodishu carrying 5 United Nations donated computers for the local grade school, would you call the local police department to arrange security or would you hire a security team?
I'd rate Mogadishu at about 0.0 space, where law is enforced by who ever has the strength to hold the district.
1.0 is much more akin to a nice wealthy country town in hampshire (with 0.5 being say Southampton ). But the key point remains however that Eve is not safe, just degrees of safety. But then occassionally little safe towns are rocked by violent crime (and often home to successful criminals).
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Kirith Kodachi
Omen Incorporated Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.07.19 16:39:00 -
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Thanatos BPO.... Destroyer. Thanatos BPO.... ... Destroyer.
I'm sorry, I just can't get past that part.
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Sean Dillon
Caldari Naughty 40
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Posted - 2007.07.19 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lorimer
Print + Secure Can + Warp to 0
or even
Print + Secure Can
That way the nasty "piwate's" with cargo scanners can't get ya
Keep dreaming
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gfldex
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.19 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: DILLI GAF This is suppose to be a ROLE PLAYING GAME meaning we chose the path we want to follow.
In a role paying game there will be a game master. This game master will challenge you. He will most prob. be an experienced player and usually quite capable of both playing the game and creating content.
What we call GMs in EVE are actually umpires. They do not provide content. So where does the challenge come from?
High sec as it is now does help new or not so capable players going. It's a good place to get into the game and learn what is possible. You will not get hit as often as else where. But the rules that make EVE unique apply everywhere and to everybody. Even to you and even in high sec. --
There are countless games in the world. There are at least as many ppl that dont like one or more rules of said games. That never stopped smart game designers from creating good games.
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Tegashi
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Posted - 2007.07.19 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Tegashi on 19/07/2007 17:02:47 Edited by: Tegashi on 19/07/2007 16:59:52 I've only been playing a few months but now spend most of my time in alliance 0.0 space. I have to admit, I've experienced more attacks while running errands or picking up skills in High-Security Empire space then the 0.0 areas where I spend most of my time.
I have to agree with the OP. Players who wish respite from the cut-throat PvP element should be allowed that peace of mind in High-Security. It isn't like it's an even exchange on the end of the Pirate since those targets they choose are typically a high-yield, low risk victim with little means of defending themselves and can technically be viewed as abuse of a game mechanic.
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2007.07.19 18:40:00 -
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"Its sometimes unbelieveble how lazy people are, I scored a high sec kill last week where about 700 million in loot blow up and another 500 mill isk left for me including 3 snake implants."
Right and your not lazy for camping a gate safely in empire suicide ganking tomake fast easy ISK....the effort it takes to do that is simply overwhelming you power gamer you........
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.07.19 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kirith Kodachi Thanatos BPO.... Destroyer. Thanatos BPO.... ... Destroyer.
I'm sorry, I just can't get past that part.
Yeah, I know. Kind of smells Ebay-ish to me... How the heck can you play for 3 years and not know better?
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Vitrael
Stormriders Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.07.19 19:16:00 -
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THANATOS BPO?! DESTROYER?!
*HEAD ASPLODE*
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Kim Chee
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.19 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: IONZ Petition Body I've been playing EVE for a long time without really understanding it. I assume that CONCORD in EVE must act just like "The Police" in "Real-Life", because I can't imagine anything different. My shiny new alt got killed and I lost a bunch of stuff to a high-security pirate. WAAAAAH! That's not FAIR!
/me pats old n00b on the head.
CONCORD are not law enforcement officers, sworn to protect and serve. They are peace-keepers. Their job is to maintain the peace by stopping conflicts. If you shot someone, you are prevented from being able to shoot anyone by having your weapons (your ship) removed.
If someone tricked you into shooting them, or if one of your drones (for which YOU are responsible) decided to shoot someone, then YOU are the aggressor and YOU will be controlled.
If someone killed you by using a suicide ship... well... they are no longer a threat since they're dead. Too bad their associate picked up all your loot, but hey... too bad you didn't have an associate to sa***uard it.
Moral of the story: don't fly what you can't afford t o lose. If you think you look a bit too juicy, perhaps you should hire someone with a freighter and escorts to move your stuff for you.
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DILLI GAF
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Posted - 2007.07.19 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kim Chee
Originally by: IONZ Petition Body I've been playing EVE for a long time without really understanding it. I assume that CONCORD in EVE must act just like "The Police" in "Real-Life", because I can't imagine anything different. My shiny new alt got killed and I lost a bunch of stuff to a high-security pirate. WAAAAAH! That's not FAIR!
/me pats old n00b on the head.
CONCORD are not law enforcement officers, sworn to protect and serve. They are peace-keepers. Their job is to maintain the peace by stopping conflicts. If you shot someone, you are prevented from being able to shoot anyone by having your weapons (your ship) removed.
If someone tricked you into shooting them, or if one of your drones (for which YOU are responsible) decided to shoot someone, then YOU are the aggressor and YOU will be controlled.
If someone killed you by using a suicide ship... well... they are no longer a threat since they're dead. Too bad their associate picked up all your loot, but hey... too bad you didn't have an associate to sa***uard it.
Moral of the story: don't fly what you can't afford t o lose. If you think you look a bit too juicy, perhaps you should hire someone with a freighter and escorts to move your stuff for you.
Hey knumb knutz... If you are going to quote someone why dont you use what was actually said. The quote you are referring to never existed.
You know... People really are stupid in the EvE community. There was never any whinning going on. I lost my cargo. I got killed. Oh well. I can replace what i lost.
The purpose of this thread was to get feed back on the over all issue. I am not the only one bringing this up so it was to get feed back.
I have learned that the game has changed and I will adapt. no big deal.
I bet most of the people in this thread couldn't say I lost a Thanotos BPO and still be ok. I am financial well off so I am not worried about the loss. I was more concerned about where EvE is going. I wanted to learn what everyone had to say about the situation.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.07.19 23:42:00 -
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Well, I wonder only about ONE thing.
WHY does a player that can afford a thanatos BPC haul it in a destroyer ? I mean, seriously, it's not like you NEVER heard of suicide ganking in highsec... have you ?
I am paranoid about hauling more than 100 mil worth of stuff in a tanked Badger (think 5k shield HP recharge in aprox 200 sec and high resists) and I'm more than seriously contemplating training up for Bustard before I move more than 200 mil in one haul, EVER. As for valuable small stuff, it's usually in an IStabed inty, or even a covops WITH a covops cloak, which DOES get activated even in highsec each jump.
I've never BEEN ganked yet, probably just because of that.
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cal nereus
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.07.19 23:59:00 -
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Edited by: cal nereus on 19/07/2007 23:59:04 A 100% successful method I've found for not dying or losing ships is to never undock. :-) With the exception of accidentally reprocessing everything you own or falling for a scam, you will not lose anything if you never undock. True story.
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DILLI GAF
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Posted - 2007.07.20 00:05:00 -
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To be honest with you... I had heard of suicide ganging but dint really know the details. I was always under the impression concord was there to prevent that.
My stupidity... I learned and have now started reading more in the forums. I never got involved in the forums prior so a lot of knowledge has been gained recently.
But if you think about it... Who do suicide gankers look for? I figured a Destroyer... No one would go after it. It was a disguise. Oh well... They got me this time. I garuntee it wont happen again though.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.07.20 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: DILLI GAF Who do suicide gankers look for? I figured a Destroyer... No one would go after it. It was a disguise.
See, there was your logic's mistake. Suicide ganker gangs just have a few small "scout" ships (usually equipped with passive targetters) scattered all across the important routes, scanning EVERYBODY they can that passes through.
They learned a long time ago that people try to be as "inconspicuous" as possible, so they adapted a lot faster
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dhav kincaide
Caldari Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.20 00:23:00 -
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I think the only thing I'd want to see change is the insurance payouts: if you get killed by CONCORD, you should get either a fraction (50% or less) or nothing when your ship blows up. You're doing something to break the law/peace/whatever, why the hell are you getting paid for it?
Otherwise.. commmon sense and being at the keyboard will get folks through most any situation intact. Leave CONCORD and Empire like it is.
(well, you could wipe out Jita, but.. )
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DILLI GAF
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Posted - 2007.07.20 00:24:00 -
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Here is where I am uneducated as well. When you scan someone don't you have to lock them? Doesn't this act as a form of aggression and Concord would react to it?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.07.20 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: DILLI GAF Here is where I am uneducated as well. When you scan someone don't you have to lock them? Doesn't this act as a form of aggression and Concord would react to it?
Yes, you have to lock them... BUT... they don't need to know you have them targetted. Scanning someone (ship fit, cargo) is NOT a hostile act.
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redialer
Minmatar Red Army Inc
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Posted - 2007.07.20 00:47:00 -
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Quote: There is an exploit out there that CCP is not addressing
red1
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redialer
Minmatar Red Army Inc
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Posted - 2007.07.20 00:51:00 -
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CCP please post or link to the exact PVP rules regarding high sec space, since the latest RC1. red1
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Wagstaff
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Posted - 2007.07.20 01:22:00 -
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I don't see what the fuss is about. Never mind Mogadishu, you can get shot and robbed in the safest town in the US or Europe. The police there might well do their utmost to catch the guy, but they don't magically prevent crime. If you're arguing realism, high sec space is fine like it is.
If you aren't arguing realism, and you just want to be completely safe in high sec, well, that doesn't seem to be what this game is about...
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redialer
Minmatar Red Army Inc
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Posted - 2007.07.20 01:28:00 -
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so I can shoot lol :p red1
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redialer
Minmatar Red Army Inc
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Posted - 2007.07.20 01:34:00 -
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seems fair I supppose red1
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Yipsilanti
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.07.20 01:37:00 -
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This thread has been cleaned.
Please be respectful of other posters. I will not tolerate spam. Play nice and please keep discussion on topic.
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Eric Lupanasia
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Posted - 2007.07.20 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68 Even though you opt'ed to use the noob char in a destroyer, you had a 99.9% chance to avoided this result by...
ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME
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Ominus Decre
The Older Gamers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.20 04:45:00 -
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Edited by: Ominus Decre on 20/07/2007 04:47:30 PvP in high security should be not only welcomed but encouraged. The new character experiance should have a means to introduce players to "pirating" and show them how beneficial it is to the whole of the game.
Not many people can grasp the concept of an open PvP environment let alone one which bases all assets on consumables. It's CCP's responsibility to not only show players that PvP in thier game is fun but to also encourage the engagements.
I suppose the Faction PvP areas which had been put on hold would facilitate this.
Risk Vs. Reward. This should be the first lesson in a new player experiance. It should be taught early on that there's a certain amount of return to be had from the risk you take.
High security space can easily permit for regional PvP areas between borders. The trick would be to grant pilots who engage into this areas with predetermied ship types (upto tier 2 frigates; upto tier 3 frigates; etc) an equal return from not only the efforts but also their losses.
While this type of game play which would encourage PvP could be "farmable" there's a fallback method governed by the Risk Vs. Reward.
Factional warfare can also supply a substanital return to industrialists who comply with agent requests. Having an agent demand X number of reasources to buld warships in a contested region while having a 10:1 multiplyer on the payout should be encouraging. Doing the work to build a single Punisher could be represented in "enough minerals to complete a production run of 10 ships" in terms of the RPG element.
Combining the Roll Play elements from dynamic agent storylines into a PvP type of risk is the real challenge.
Too many, myself included, have an extremely negatice view towards PvP. Reason being: A large majority of online games which encorporate PvP tens to exhibit an astronmical percentage of "4$$ hatery". For this reason most will never try.
EVE is different. I more then enjoy pvP in EVE more then anything prevriously developed. The trick is, to show others how it is fun.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.20 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby I am a Carebear. I have never ganked, scammed, stole, looted, etc anyone else in game. I never will. I whine (or DID whine) about Privateers. I run from wardecs, I don't engage when someone steals my ore, I am in a NPC corp now because I believe the wardec system is broken. I don't go to LowSec and have never been to 0.0 nor do I want to.
I have never been ganked (not that I don't think it will happen some day), I have never been scammed. Someday those things will happen because of the nature of the game, but when it does the ones that do it won't make any ISK; because I am careful. And because of players like you whining about it and warned me about such things before I had anything worth stealing There, I have admitted you have done a community service...
Ki An and I argue about just about every topic, our viewpoints are complete opposites in most things. Some of those topics have been borderline unpleasant and I have half-expected a visit in game for a few things I've said
Except this one. Seriously, I am glad you know where you went wrong and you are not quitting. But this is NOT a game issue; it is a player issue. You have been playing for over 2 years and YOU KNEW THE RISKS. And yet you still stuck incredibly valuable stuff in a ship that is made of tissue paper and then flew the slowest way you could, giving time to scan your cargo. Honestly? I would have been tempted...
And that is from a certified Carebear that has never shot at another player.
/me check don't recall a Anaalys Fluuterby alt
Really, beside me being a little less Carebearish, Anaalys post reflect perfectly my thoughts and position.
I move up to 1 hundred milllions isk in a industrial while AFK in hi sec, with the implicit assumption that I am risking a gank (fairly improbable as teh probable return for the ganker would be only some teens of milion, hardly worth it). I can shallow the eventual loss and I feel repayed on the time I can use for others things.
When I am moving things worth more I use better ships and stay at the keyboard all the time. Even that is not a guarantee as a big enough gang will kill me faster than I can warp sometime. It is all part of the game.
As long that the balance of pirates/non-pirates stay healty (i.e. the number of pirates is low enough that it is possible to complete what you are doing in the great majority of the occasion) the game will trive.
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Culdees
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Posted - 2007.07.20 13:08:00 -
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while there are no real consequences for the act of suicide ganking, it cant possibly be classed as an act of pirating, i mean a pirate suicide bombs himself for some isk hehe. there is no roleplay there, just easy ways to make isk off the backs of others. nothing more. none of these stupid glory stories of how difficult it is to sit at a gate and scan cargo all day.. oooh that must the BEST pvp players eve has to offer.. heh i think not.
am i to believe that this is what everyone is to expect from eve in the future?
well no matter, i think most players and people who play/see eve will realize that suicide gankers and other such lowlifes are very much in the minority.
the best solution i can think of was posted previously many times by different people and that is make the act of scanning cargo an aggresive act. it would fit the theme of future pirates more than suicide ganking. its not much of a stretch to believe such technology would exist in the future, i mean police can detect radar detectors in cars now.
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Cpt Branko
Guardian Heroes
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Posted - 2007.07.20 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Culdees while there are no real consequences for the act of suicide ganking... and a lot of whine
There are. If the cargo gets blown up, then you lose about 25ish mil for a smartboming BS (for example). Plus, the sec hit means that eventually you'll have to go ratting to fix it.
Originally by: Akita T
I am paranoid about hauling more than 100 mil worth of stuff in a tanked Badger (think 5k shield HP recharge in aprox 200 sec and high resists) and I'm more than seriously contemplating training up for Bustard before I move more than 200 mil in one haul, EVER. As for valuable small stuff, it's usually in an IStabed inty, or even a covops WITH a covops cloak, which DOES get activated even in highsec each jump.
See, that is how it's done properly.
You can AFK haul with lots of cargo extenders if you're hauling Tritanium or something of <20M value.
Originally by: DILLI GAF
The purpose of this thread was to get feed back on the over all issue. I am not the only one bringing this up so it was to get feed back.
Er, there's no issue, except players not thinking, and EvE thankfully forces you to think. It's a game where you need to outsmart others.
Originally by: Ominus Decre
PvP in high security should be not only welcomed but encouraged. The new character experiance should have a means to introduce players to "pirating" and show them how beneficial it is to the whole of the game.
Not many people can grasp the concept of an open PvP environment let alone one which bases all assets on consumables. It's CCP's responsibility to not only show players that PvP in thier game is fun but to also encourage the engagements.
Risk Vs. Reward. This should be the first lesson in a new player experiance. It should be taught early on that there's a certain amount of return to be had from the risk you take.
Exactly.
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NeoTheo
Caldari Dark Materials
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Posted - 2007.07.20 15:59:00 -
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isnt the answer pretty simple?
have concord Pod people who attack folks in hig sec, that should be ok, then people cant complain there are no down sides, also make the security hit much much worse.
the bottom line is High sec is not 100% safe, it never has been since i have played.
i think that this is 6 of one and half a dozen of another to coin a english phrase. carebares should understand that high sec isnt totally safe and you still need to take care (what if there had been a RAT at the gates as part of a event or something? ok that never happens but you get the point) - but also there would be no harm in making concord do alittle more than BBQ your ship for high sec piracy, if you wanna do it, then you would really have to be sure its worth it.
/theo http://atomicrain.net/eve_sig.jpg
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frihetskjemper
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Posted - 2007.07.25 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz
Originally by: Renosha Argaron
Roy i would see your point had he been in low sec and been on auto pilot, but that was not the case....autopilot is there for a reason.
Guns are there for a reason: For me to shoot your ship in highsec.
Why do I lose all isk and you get full insurance that I can not get on my cargo?
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frihetskjemper
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Posted - 2007.07.25 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: NeoTheo isnt the answer pretty simple?
have concord Pod people who attack folks in hig sec, that should be ok, then people cant complain there are no down sides, also make the security hit much much worse.
the bottom line is High sec is not 100% safe, it never has been since i have played.
i think that this is 6 of one and half a dozen of another to coin a english phrase. carebares should understand that high sec isnt totally safe and you still need to take care (what if there had been a RAT at the gates as part of a event or something? ok that never happens but you get the point) - but also there would be no harm in making concord do alittle more than BBQ your ship for high sec piracy, if you wanna do it, then you would really have to be sure its worth it.
/theo
Podding from CONCORD may be what industrialists want suicide gankers to experience?
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Eric Watson
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.25 18:39:00 -
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I think poding, no insurance and a HUGE sec hit is an appropriate penalty if caught pirating in high sec space. However....I think that CONCORD should be less effective catching people as the sec level decreases in high sec space....so that a well organized pirate group could get lucky and get away with it.
I think that "suicide" piracy is a crazy abuse of a game mechanic (clones, insurance and having another person pick up the loot)....and should not be only way to be a pirate in high sec.
IMO what needs to happen is that normal piracy in high sec needs to be possible (well...maybe impossible in 1.0 but possible in 0.5) however it should be very difficult. Suicide piracy on the other hand should never be allowed. I mean think about it...repeatedly suiciding is...well....sort of a contradiction in terms....lol.
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frihetskjemper
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Posted - 2007.07.25 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Eric Watson I think poding, no insurance and a HUGE sec hit is an appropriate penalty if caught pirating in high sec space. However....I think that CONCORD should be less effective catching people as the sec level decreases in high sec space....so that a well organized pirate group could get lucky and get away with it.
I think that "suicide" piracy is a crazy abuse of a game mechanic (clones, insurance and having another person pick up the loot)....and should not be only way to be a pirate in high sec.
IMO what needs to happen is that normal piracy in high sec needs to be possible (well...maybe impossible in 1.0 but possible in 0.5) however it should be very difficult. Suicide piracy on the other hand should never be allowed. I mean think about it...repeatedly suiciding is...well....sort of a contradiction in terms....lol.
How can you do piracy in high security when any offensive action creates suicide result?
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frihetskjemper
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Posted - 2007.07.26 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Culdees while there are no real consequences for the act of suicide ganking, it cant possibly be classed as an act of pirating, i mean a pirate suicide bombs himself for some isk hehe. there is no roleplay there, just easy ways to make isk off the backs of others. nothing more. none of these stupid glory stories of how difficult it is to sit at a gate and scan cargo all day.. oooh that must the BEST pvp players eve has to offer.. heh i think not.
am i to believe that this is what everyone is to expect from eve in the future?
well no matter, i think most players and people who play/see eve will realize that suicide gankers and other such lowlifes are very much in the minority.
the best solution i can think of was posted previously many times by different people and that is make the act of scanning cargo an aggresive act. it would fit the theme of future pirates more than suicide ganking. its not much of a stretch to believe such technology would exist in the future, i mean police can detect radar detectors in cars now.
In this cold hard world EVE where pilots are reborn into clones anytime they die this is valid rp style of play.
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Emokid 94
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Posted - 2007.07.26 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: St0mper Mogodishu is not a high sec area... but if i where in copenhagen i would call the local police cause that would be high sec compared to yea well any other place.
Since when is Copenhagen considered safe? It¦s full of danes :P
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.07.26 00:33:00 -
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Hi sec ganking is fine. Maybe kick insurance payouts off, but high sec ganking should always be allowed.
Quote: I mean think about it...repeatedly suiciding is...well....sort of a contradiction in terms....lol.
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Culdees
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Posted - 2007.07.26 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: frihetskjemper
Originally by: Culdees while there are no real consequences for the act of suicide ganking, it cant possibly be classed as an act of pirating, i mean a pirate suicide bombs himself for some isk hehe. there is no roleplay there, just easy ways to make isk off the backs of others. nothing more. none of these stupid glory stories of how difficult it is to sit at a gate and scan cargo all day.. oooh that must the BEST pvp players eve has to offer.. heh i think not.
am i to believe that this is what everyone is to expect from eve in the future?
well no matter, i think most players and people who play/see eve will realize that suicide gankers and other such lowlifes are very much in the minority.
the best solution i can think of was posted previously many times by different people and that is make the act of scanning cargo an aggresive act. it would fit the theme of future pirates more than suicide ganking. its not much of a stretch to believe such technology would exist in the future, i mean police can detect radar detectors in cars now.
In this cold hard world EVE where pilots are reborn into clones anytime they die this is valid rp style of play.
its valid to those that will do anything to get ahead in a game. nothing to do with the game, just the character of the player. if it had some connection with the game ie a practical ROLE, then it would be ok by me.
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frihetskjemper
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Posted - 2007.07.26 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Culdees
Originally by: frihetskjemper
Originally by: Culdees while there are no real consequences for the act of suicide ganking, it cant possibly be classed as an act of pirating, i mean a pirate suicide bombs himself for some isk hehe. there is no roleplay there, just easy ways to make isk off the backs of others. nothing more. none of these stupid glory stories of how difficult it is to sit at a gate and scan cargo all day.. oooh that must the BEST pvp players eve has to offer.. heh i think not.
am i to believe that this is what everyone is to expect from eve in the future?
well no matter, i think most players and people who play/see eve will realize that suicide gankers and other such lowlifes are very much in the minority.
the best solution i can think of was posted previously many times by different people and that is make the act of scanning cargo an aggresive act. it would fit the theme of future pirates more than suicide ganking. its not much of a stretch to believe such technology would exist in the future, i mean police can detect radar detectors in cars now.
In this cold hard world EVE where pilots are reborn into clones anytime they die this is valid rp style of play.
its valid to those that will do anything to get ahead in a game. nothing to do with the game, just the character of the player. if it had some connection with the game ie a practical ROLE, then it would be ok by me.
Role to keep eve dangerous fat wallet from exploding.
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frihetskjemper
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Posted - 2007.07.26 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 26/07/2007 00:36:56 Hi sec ganking is fine. Maybe kick insurance payouts off, but high sec ganking should always be allowed.
Quote: I mean think about it...repeatedly suiciding is...well....sort of a contradiction in terms....lol.
Welcome to what happens if people could clone themselves :)
Quote: Why do I lose all isk and you get full insurance that I can not get on my cargo?
Since when do people who suicide gank get insurance on their fits and cargo? I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.
To test, lets get my raven filled up with Crystal Omegas, then I'll suicide gank and lets see me get my billions back.
To paraphrase an old quote,, "Fear the man with nothing to lose". Even after all that gain from suicide ganking, I don't see those guys losing their stuff.
Freighter cargo more expensive than freighter ship.
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Minmatar096773
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Posted - 2007.08.31 10:50:00 -
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Does anyone still do this to gain isk? Not just to destroy others?
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ttrrwafsfamfjkasjf
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:56:00 -
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I can't even get killed when i go to 0.0.
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2007.08.31 19:00:00 -
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Quote: Nowhere in EVE is safe...
Odd I could be wrong but it seems to me that the suicide ganker in his cheaply fitted insured ship is safe, along with the empty hauler he flies on an alt account are safe....Which brings us to the crux of the issue doesn't it.....
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Terrible Ivan
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Posted - 2007.09.01 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Thuul'Khalat EVE is risk vs reward.
Wanna make highsec = no risk? Then it should also be highsec = no reward.
Nicely put.
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Kuura Elson
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Posted - 2007.09.13 17:05:00 -
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After spending some time mining and saving up ISK I was hurt and confused why my ship was blown up with some goods that I thought I could use in my first round of trading.
It is true that some measure of notice would have helped as I thought to get into the game one would just need to stay in 0.5 and higher space.
This in addition to Concord blasting me for accidentally shooting a gangmates can have really made me consider my renewal.
Perhaps immunity for paid accounts that are young (e.g. 30 days and younger like me) would help. I can understand the pros and cons in this thread but for me it is prob too late.
As of now I will not be renewing my subscription with Eve. (btw cheers to all the friendly people in the corp channel - you guys are really mature and great compared to other MMORPGS - but this game is too gray for my liking).
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Kritinana
Minmatar Dark Empire Fleet
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Posted - 2007.09.13 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kuura Elson As of now I will not be renewing my subscription with Eve. (btw cheers to all the friendly people in the corp channel - you guys are really mature and great compared to other MMORPGS - but this game is too gray for my liking).
/inevitable
gimme your stuff pls. kthx
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Poe
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Posted - 2007.09.13 19:49:00 -
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Edited by: Poe on 13/09/2007 19:50:52 Edited by: Poe on 13/09/2007 19:49:32 My opinion is simple. Right now, you have to play the game as it is written. Which means, if you are flying in a destroyer (without a very good tank), or less as far as protection goes, and carrying something expensive, you need to A: Stay out of Low-sec (because of the current binge of MS gate bombing) and B: Warp to 0 and never go to the bathroom unless you are in a station. If you you choose to go afk on auto with something expensive with a thin ship, shame on you.
That said. I do not believe, regardless of what the defenders of the practice say, there is a risk/reward balance here. I know personally someone who does this in a BC and just nabbed a 1.5 Billion (Billion with a B) ISK module. OOOHHH he's KOS with Who khows Who.. He made 1.5B he logs out, lets the kill rights expire, and plays his main in his shiny new toys. It is a joke. It can be done on less than 30 days training in a BC that is insured. The biggest risk is loss of the expensive bit you are after in the explosion and have to spend the money for insurance again to try again. It is so lucrative that people are using it to replace research as a main source of income, and believe me, I have considered it. 1.5 billion for 10 minutes work is hard to ignore.
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