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Soho Joe
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.12 23:07:00 -
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Admiral Acronym wrote:i know it has already been stated a couple times in this thread, but this has already been done.. er, i mean "tried", and it did NOT work out. HTIDRaver tried this, and it was successful for a few days, but in the end, it failed miserably. iirc, he was merced from several directions; his corp mates bailed on him; and his alliance was eventually dissolved. if that is a future you find pleasant, then i support this
Raver got buckets and buckets of tears over this, as I was reading BTL pub and in a chat channel with the crew that was killing the moms, BTL Overlords were handing out their version of their OMG bans from BTL channels, war dec's flew, people even assosiated with them got bans from BTL fleet FC's. It was epic, If OP has the stones, and can pull it off for more than a week or two it would be uber epic amount of tears.
Quite possible that would cause high sec to burn in a pire of awesome beautiful flames and rivers of salty tears... |
Pi-Ei One
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.12 23:16:00 -
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Oh, it took only 6 months of whining over incursions over and over again to form up a thread like this?
What took you so long? :D
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Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
432
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Posted - 2012.01.13 00:57:00 -
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Pi-Ei One wrote:Oh, it took only 6 months of whining over incursions over and over again to form up a thread like this?
LOL, thread-forming is one thing ... actually doing it is another altogether.
Prediction? Either:
1. It's all too hard to actually do something, OP talks hot for a while longer and then quietly disappears; or
2. OP is a little more than just hot-air and actually gets something going ... and perhaps even scores a small victory. Then OP discovers the pyrrhic nature of that victory and spends a lot of time afterwards running and hiding ... and bleating at being victimised by the wrath-of-carebears.
Either way is gonna feed some chuckles for some and bleats and moans for others. 'tis just the nature of eve.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1073
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Posted - 2012.01.13 05:33:00 -
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OK here's the deal.
If you want to protest the ISK pump that Incursions are, and point out how dumb it is to diss the Sansha mom and grind sites, then most people will have to agree if they fancy themselves logical.
Even the most prolific suicide gankers used to say it was rather odd to get an insurance payout over a ship lost to a criminal act.
"you have to admit...." - always started with words like that.
It's hard to deny how dumb it is to let the mother ship sit there and just grind those sites and rack up the ISK. I was with, and knew a lot of, other players who were all about fighting Sansha because of the Live Event content that precluded Incursions (those live events were called "Incursions") and now most of them won't touch a beared up, canned and neatly packaged monetized incursion with a borrowed 10' pole. What became of those live events to evolve into what they are now was a huge letdown. It's like going to Pandora in the Movie Avatar and finding strip malls and condos everywhere.
But...
(always a but)
if you make it all about "the tears" and treat the matter as if it was a grief fest, essentially screaming "it's a sandbox" while making it your goal to take the pale and shovel, bonk the other kids over the head with them, and then point and laugh, then mommy (CCP) is going to treat you like a brat and take the pale and shovel away. There will be a mechanic change (already was to the aggro rules because of this very thing) or nerf/buff and there will be more threads like this with the main difference of an abundance of tears.
The simple truth is that the "rest of us" who are not out harvesting tears and hiding behind some cause or excuse (it's a game, blah blah) for doing it can easily see through those who do. Funny that those who do it cannot see how transparent they are, but as it is historically proven with sociopaths, they never really see themselves.
tl;dr: you are doing it wrong. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1073
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Posted - 2012.01.13 05:50:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:So to stop those nasty carebears doing incursions, you're going to do them instead?
Doesn't that make you carebears doing incursions as well?
Admit it, you are trying to goth-serve the forums, aren't you?
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
31
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Posted - 2012.01.13 06:13:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:It's like going to Pandora in the Movie Avatar and finding strip malls and condos everywhere. So essentially what you're saying is that incursions are, all in all, one hell of a lot more fun and involve considerably less dying than you expected? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1073
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Posted - 2012.01.13 06:48:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:It's like going to Pandora in the Movie Avatar and finding strip malls and condos everywhere. So essentially what you're saying is that incursions are, all in all, one hell of a lot more fun and involve considerably less dying than you expected?
No.
The live events were epic.
What they lead up to was not epic.
As for fun? Yeah in the first day when wrecks littered the skies but as soon as people learned how to "game the system" - being a game after all - it got boring. I tried for a while to do noob pugs because the elitism crept in much faster than expected and the noobs were just trying to play the game for fun. Still have the dual RR phoon with logi drones and a cap that can't die to prove it.
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Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck
93
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Posted - 2012.01.13 07:00:00 -
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Hahaha, I got black listed for posting in this thread. Cos yeah, I run incursions SOOOOO often!! Bunch of tools.... |
Ahrieman
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
11
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Posted - 2012.01.13 07:12:00 -
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Tear Extraction? Griefing Wussbears?
Makes me almost wish I could go into high sec. ALMOST....... |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
31
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Posted - 2012.01.13 07:22:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:It's like going to Pandora in the Movie Avatar and finding strip malls and condos everywhere. So essentially what you're saying is that incursions are, all in all, one hell of a lot more fun and involve considerably less dying than you expected? No. The live events were epic. What they lead up to was not epic. As for fun? Yeah in the first day when wrecks littered the skies but as soon as people learned how to "game the system" - being a game after all - it got boring. I tried for a while to do noob pugs because the elitism crept in much faster than expected and the noobs were just trying to play the game for fun. Still have the dual RR phoon with logi drones and a cap that can't die to prove it. I was joking And insinuating that strip malls and condos are a lot more fun and involve considerably less dying than going to Pandora. Which may or may not be accurate dependent on how friendly those blue chicks are. |
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Tallian Saotome
Casa Del Wombat
328
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Posted - 2012.01.13 07:49:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:It's like going to Pandora in the Movie Avatar and finding strip malls and condos everywhere. So essentially what you're saying is that incursions are, all in all, one hell of a lot more fun and involve considerably less dying than you expected? No. The live events were epic. What they lead up to was not epic. As for fun? Yeah in the first day when wrecks littered the skies but as soon as people learned how to "game the system" - being a game after all - it got boring. I tried for a while to do noob pugs because the elitism crept in much faster than expected and the noobs were just trying to play the game for fun. Still have the dual RR phoon with logi drones and a cap that can't die to prove it. I was joking And insinuating that strip malls and condos are a lot more fun and involve considerably less dying than going to Pandora. Which may or may not be accurate dependent on how friendly those blue chicks are.
If you recall those blue chicks were 3 times the size of a marine.
DEATH BY SNOO SNOO!!!! o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.01.13 08:18:00 -
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Quote: New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners
- Krissada
- Aiwha
- Oxandrolone
- Jack Miton
- KrakizBad
- Chitsa Jason
- Senn Denroth
- Andy Sharvas
- Soho Joe
- Typherian
- Londor Rogers
- Asurymen
- Lyrrashae
- Poloturion
- Freundliches Feuer
- Jovan Geldon
- Ana K
- Alexandra Kulikov
- Hidden Fremen
- Tallian Saotome
- Khoda Khan
It is time. |
Tallian Saotome
Casa Del Wombat
328
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Posted - 2012.01.13 08:21:00 -
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Krissada wrote:Quote: New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners
- Krissada
- Aiwha
- Oxandrolone
- Jack Miton
- KrakizBad
- Chitsa Jason
- Senn Denroth
- Andy Sharvas
- Soho Joe
- Typherian
- Londor Rogers
- Asurymen
- Lyrrashae
- Poloturion
- Freundliches Feuer
- Jovan Geldon
- Ana K
- Alexandra Kulikov
- Hidden Fremen
- Tallian Saotome
- Khoda Khan
It is time. WOOT! I'm banned from incursions o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Tian Nu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.01.13 08:42:00 -
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I never understand ppl that cry about ppl making ISK on way or another, you better cry to CCP about margin trading cos if you set 3 characters in trading hubs amarr, jita and galente you are making ISK even Chriba canGÇÖt handle. So what you gona doo blow up Jita 4-4 ? Like someone say GÇÿnatural selection babyGÇÖ. To help you out only need 3/6 pilots vaga + 100 MWD bump out of range logi and look the fleet die. But youre action means **** cos there are still hundred of boots making ISK 24/7.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
32
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Posted - 2012.01.13 09:20:00 -
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Tian Nu wrote:I never understand ppl that cry about ppl making ISK on way or another, you better cry to CCP about margin trading cos if you set 3 characters in trading hubs amarr, jita and galente you are making ISK even Chriba canGÇÖt handle. So what you gona doo blow up Jita 4-4 ? Like someone say GÇÿnatural selection babyGÇÖ. To help you out only need 3/6 pilots vaga + 100 MWD bump out of range logi and look the fleet die. But youre action means **** cos there are still hundred of boots making ISK 24/7.
Posting to confirm boots and other kinds of over-sized shoes are definitely making ISK 24/7. |
Freundliches Feuer
Exanimo Inc Noir. Mercenary Group
1
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Posted - 2012.01.13 12:05:00 -
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Me too brah, Hi 5 :D |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
503
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Posted - 2012.01.13 13:13:00 -
[107] - Quote
banned from what? and who banned you? a new bounty system for eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
fuer0n
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2012.01.13 18:03:00 -
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jimmyjam wrote:The only thing your doing is taking a gang on PVE romp good job on sticking it to the man bro
BTL PUB - save the mom gank fleet forming need ecm boats......................they can aford to do it too |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
199
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Posted - 2012.01.13 18:22:00 -
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Krissada wrote:Quote: New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners
- Krissada
- Aiwha
- Oxandrolone
- Jack Miton
- KrakizBad
- Chitsa Jason
- Senn Denroth
- Andy Sharvas
- Soho Joe
- Typherian
- Londor Rogers
- Asurymen
- Lyrrashae
- Poloturion
- Freundliches Feuer
- Jovan Geldon
- Ana K
- Alexandra Kulikov
- Hidden Fremen
- Tallian Saotome
- Khoda Khan
It is time.
I'm banned from something I never joined, never visited, probably never got within 30 jumps of, and never cared about.
Holy crap they mad. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
34
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Posted - 2012.01.13 18:36:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Krissada wrote:Quote: New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners
- Krissada
- Aiwha
- Oxandrolone
- Jack Miton
- KrakizBad
- Chitsa Jason
- Senn Denroth
- Andy Sharvas
- Soho Joe
- Typherian
- Londor Rogers
- Asurymen
- Lyrrashae
- Poloturion
- Freundliches Feuer
- Jovan Geldon
- Ana K
- Alexandra Kulikov
- Hidden Fremen
- Tallian Saotome
- Khoda Khan
It is time. I'm banned from something I never joined, never visited, probably never got within 30 jumps of, and never cared about. Holy crap they mad. Why the hell am I not on this list? DAMN YOU BTL I WANT ON THE LIST WITH THE OTHER COOL KIDS! Don't make me come over there and ECM boat your ass. |
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
13
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Posted - 2012.01.13 18:45:00 -
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Incurbears wrote: New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners
- Krissada
- Aiwha
- Oxandrolone
- Jack Miton
- KrakizBad
- Chitsa Jason
- Senn Denroth
- Andy Sharvas
- Soho Joe
- Typherian
- Londor Rogers
- Asurymen
- Lyrrashae
- Poloturion
- Freundliches Feuer
- Jovan Geldon
- Ana K
- Alexandra Kulikov
- Hidden Fremen
- Tallian Saotome
- Khoda Khan
UMADBRO?
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Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
70
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Posted - 2012.01.13 19:15:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote:Pi-Ei One wrote:Oh, it took only 6 months of whining over incursions over and over again to form up a thread like this?
LOL, thread-forming is one thing ... actually doing it is another altogether. Prediction? Either: 1. It's all too hard to actually do something, OP talks hot for a while longer and then quietly disappears; or 2. OP is a little more than just hot-air and actually gets something going ... and perhaps even scores a small victory. Then OP discovers the pyrrhic nature of that victory and spends a lot of time afterwards running and hiding ... and bleating at being victimised by the wrath-of-carebears. Either way is gonna feed some chuckles for some and bleats and moans for others. 'tis just the nature of eve.
Yeah, pretty much. OP better know what he's doing otherwise he's gonna get owned and outplayed by the bears. Getting popcorn ready.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1074
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:42:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:Substantia Nigra wrote:Pi-Ei One wrote:Oh, it took only 6 months of whining over incursions over and over again to form up a thread like this?
LOL, thread-forming is one thing ... actually doing it is another altogether. Prediction? Either: 1. It's all too hard to actually do something, OP talks hot for a while longer and then quietly disappears; or 2. OP is a little more than just hot-air and actually gets something going ... and perhaps even scores a small victory. Then OP discovers the pyrrhic nature of that victory and spends a lot of time afterwards running and hiding ... and bleating at being victimised by the wrath-of-carebears. Either way is gonna feed some chuckles for some and bleats and moans for others. 'tis just the nature of eve. Yeah, pretty much. OP better know what he's doing otherwise he's gonna get owned and outplayed by the bears. Getting popcorn ready.
So if a corporation existed for the purpose of taking down moms, for any reason - even an RP reason, we have incursion farmers who will hire mercs and dec them too, to stop them.
So the result would be the same, even without the OP, without all that "tears" crap, and without even any malice towards incursions.
Definitely a problem with the incursion mom mechanics. And once something turns into an ISK pump like tech moons, it's like a government welfare program: impossible to get rid of.
That thing needs to despawn and take every LP and bit of ISK with it when it gets away without being destroyed. And when that happens, we will see the farmers cry a river of tears.
I hope that I am not the only one who gets tired of all that entitlement mentality out there. Makes me think such people deserve to be scammed, blobbed, ganked, and have their corps robbed. Or maybe I been hanging around here too long. Who knows.
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orion scimatarii
Triton Research Illuminati.
0
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Posted - 2012.01.14 00:15:00 -
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Incursion denial flet consists of up to 20 griffin ships and 5 blackbirds
ECM suicide the unsuspecting targets, the LOGI get ECM'd everytime theres confirmed reps going on. Suicide blackbird ECM ships target the main DPS. The rage tears in local as our wrecks fill their gun ports, Laugh at them. CCP the butterfly effect can explain this:
1) You create massive risk free isk farming method and you say you want to create an isk sink. 2) Boys and Girls of EVE are shocked that you would be sooooo hypocritical 3) The children of EVE work to your first objective to make it an isk sink
Also, in future: if you want to do this OP do it with gusto. Set a corp up with 100% tax rate, description should read: "Anti-Incursion highsec Pirates"
Let us play OUR game CCP, the way you intended it for. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
504
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Posted - 2012.01.14 00:16:00 -
[115] - Quote
I would join this in a heartbeat.
Except for two things, best i can fly well is a Harb, and I have never done an Incursion (though have done fleet missions with my corp... small scale but might be enough).
But I will join the channel next time I'm in game. At least I could help with planning. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1075
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Posted - 2012.01.14 04:32:00 -
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There seems to be some confusion here.
It's concluded that the best way to beat incursions, is to take down the mothership so it can't be just left there so people can farm sites.
All that "griefing" business is out the window. It's childish and CCP will end up treating it like brats misbehaving in the sandbox. Those who you would claim to be "greifing" can brag that they will replace their losses in a mere hour or two, and a good lot of them would be correct.
On the first day of incursions as they presently are, I did what thousands of others did and took a mission drake into a site and lost it in such a manner that had there been an audience, I would have had to nail the doors of the house shut and burn it down with everybody inside.
The field was littered with dead drakes, domis, fleet stabbers, you name it - with faction and deadspace mods too.
But even a salvage rifter with nanos and MWD could get one-shotted so much for scap-dogging.
But look at it now: people have this figured out. Losses are low. Yes there appears to be a balance around the logi - I've seen logis go down and before the group escapes two or three battleships are lost.
All the "griefers" have to do, if you really want to deny ISK, is finish off the mothership.
This means that all you need is a team big enough, and has it's act together enough, to go in, take down the mom, get out. Period. There's not even PVP involved... until those grinding the sites get peeved and dec the "mom killers" or send mercs at them, something they got the cash to do.
I don't know how many ships it takes to take on that site. I've taken rookie ships to the mom site to have a look and it's as close to an NPC gate camp as you can imagine. If CCP had NPC ships doing camps instead of leaving it to other players, and set them up like that mothership site, they could close off entire sections of space.
But enough people with the right combination of ships and skills, and all you need is a mom take-down team that gets the job done rapidly. Incursion over.
I say this because it's bothersomely bad mechanics to let that thing sit for days while grinding sites. It just plain feels like a bad mistake. Do we let one last ship in a level 4 mission or a sanctum stay alive and tank it until more show up and ship-farm those sites? Can a sleeper combat site be strung along like that? No. (though I have seen sleepers respawn in sits much to my shock and surprise).
Be an adult about this, think about it, get a good crew together, and it's doable. |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
106
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Posted - 2012.01.14 05:04:00 -
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**** off enough highsec incursion bears and you probably will just get decced out of existence, a few hours incursioning will pay for decent mercs. |
ShipToaster
91
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Posted - 2012.01.14 05:32:00 -
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:**** off enough highsec incursion bears and you probably will just get decced out of existence, a few hours incursioning will pay for decent mercs.
Doubtful as they could easily implement a 100 corp decshield to make wars against them cost five billion a week. 100 not enough, then maybe 200 will do it, or 500.
Or maybe they just want the fights.
Will mercs even do anything to help carebears now when carebears are whining the entire merc wardec system to death? The only contact I want to have with eve university is if I can have them all ****** to death by space robo donkeys.
Griefing CCP - Bounties for E-Uni Ganking: action continues. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=343354#post343354 |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
506
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Posted - 2012.01.14 05:40:00 -
[119] - Quote
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:**** off enough highsec incursion bears and you probably will just get decced out of existence, a few hours incursioning will pay for decent mercs. I'll live with being in an NPC corp if it means CCP will look at the abuse of Incursions.
And Herzog, I agree fully with what you said. If we make this about "tears" and such, CCP will not consider this an issue and just look at us as another Hulkaggedon type thing.
Count me in (I think I said that already but oh well). A large enough fleet and that Mom will go down, even without great skill.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
828
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Posted - 2012.01.14 07:08:00 -
[120] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Krissada wrote:Quote: New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners
- Krissada
- Aiwha
- Oxandrolone
- Jack Miton
- KrakizBad
- Chitsa Jason
- Senn Denroth
- Andy Sharvas
- Soho Joe
- Typherian
- Londor Rogers
- Asurymen
- Lyrrashae
- Poloturion
- Freundliches Feuer
- Jovan Geldon
- Ana K
- Alexandra Kulikov
- Hidden Fremen
- Tallian Saotome
- Khoda Khan
It is time. I'm banned from something I never joined, never visited, probably never got within 30 jumps of, and never cared about. Holy crap they mad. Why the hell am I not on this list? DAMN YOU BTL I WANT ON THE LIST WITH THE OTHER COOL KIDS! Don't make me come over there and ECM boat your ass.
Why I no make list???
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