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Slyton Silur
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.06.30 19:35:00 -
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Greetings!
I've just started to be able to use +quality agent lvl 3's. So i wonder what kind of Gallente ship i should use? And what kind of fittings i should fit??
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2007.06.30 19:37:00 -
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ishkur Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi". |
Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.06.30 19:38:00 -
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Going with the Traditional view, you should consider using a Raven for ALL missions. No matter what.
If you insist on Gallente, you should use the Myrmidon or a Dominix. For each of those, there's hundreds of threads concerning fittings.
Liang
Originally by: "QproQ"
When people say "Put 'stabs on your 'cane", they mean GYROSTABS"
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SirMolly
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Posted - 2007.06.30 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: SirMolly on 30/06/2007 19:40:58 myrmidon.
with something like:
6x 150 railguns II 1x AB II 4x Cap Recharger II 2x MAR II 4x active hardener (depending on mission)
1x ANP 1x Nanobot Accellerator 1x CCC
5x heavy drones II (depending on misison)
or something like that.....
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Slyton Silur
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.06.30 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Going with the Traditional view, you should consider using a Raven for ALL missions. No matter what.
If you insist on Gallente, you should use the Myrmidon or a Dominix. For each of those, there's hundreds of threads concerning fittings.
Liang
I know that i'am a Caldari, but very early on i started to specialize in gallente ship, so using a Raven would mean a lot of skill training, which is not an option for me right now. So it have to be an Gallente ship.
Also, thanks for all the answers so far, keep em coming.
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.06.30 19:52:00 -
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Forgetting that you're Caldari -- the most efficient non-faction ship for running missions is the Raven. People from virtually all races train Caldari BS 4 just for the Raven.
With that said, I run missions in a Myrmidon.
Liang
Originally by: "QproQ"
When people say "Put 'stabs on your 'cane", they mean GYROSTABS"
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Slyton Silur
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.06.30 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Slyton Silur on 30/06/2007 20:07:31
Originally by: Liang Nuren Forgetting that you're Caldari -- the most efficient non-faction ship for running missions is the Raven. People from virtually all races train Caldari BS 4 just for the Raven.
With that said, I run missions in a Myrmidon.
Liang
I'll probably learn a few more skills from the caldari one day, but right now i'am focusing about Gallente. It won't take me to long to train to BS4(about 10days)but i need to train other skill too i think, like missile/rocket skills? which i almost have zero of at the moment. But as i said, someday, just not right now.
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Lux Exterior
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Posted - 2007.07.01 09:26:00 -
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For level 3's try a passive myrmidon:
Highs: 5 x 650 Scout Artillery and a Drone Link Augmentor.
Mediums: 3 x LSE2, 2 x T2 Rat specific resistance amps.
Lows: 6 x SPR2
Rigs: 3 x CDFP
Choose the amps and the ammo/drones to suit the mission.
13.5k shields in under 120 seconds. Enough tankage for most level 4's TBH.
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Slyton Silur
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.07.01 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lux Exterior For level 3's try a passive myrmidon:
Highs: 5 x 650 Scout Artillery and a Drone Link Augmentor.
Mediums: 3 x LSE2, 2 x T2 Rat specific resistance amps.
Lows: 6 x SPR2
Rigs: 3 x CDFP
Choose the amps and the ammo/drones to suit the mission.
13.5k shields in under 120 seconds. Enough tankage for most level 4's TBH.
I'll certainly go for an Myrmidon, but my limited skills in both Artillary and shield, make this setup an no go for me, but thanks anyway, and keep suggestion coming.
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Lux Exterior
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Posted - 2007.07.01 11:00:00 -
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I think you'd be surprised how little training you would actually need to do to fly this setup, plug it in to quickfit and see what you're short on, then make a little plan in evemon and BoB's your uncle.
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project
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Posted - 2007.07.01 11:27:00 -
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The only hybrid weapons you would ever want to fit to a myrmi is a full rack of tech II/faction blasters. If you don't use those you're much better off with nos/projectiles.
So yeah getting low level medium projectiles is very much worth it.
Also yeah if you want to stick with gallente ships for lvl 3 missions you're probably best off with a myrmidon/dominix, although some people prefer to race through with a hac/t2 rail brutix/commandship of choice.
As for a drone ship setup:
I prefer 4x resistance slots, 1x tech II repper, 1x damage control/cap relay/extra repper (one or two of the last ones, depending on myrmi/dominix, repper medium/large obviously) in my lows,
AB/omnidirectional drone mod/cap rechargers in meds,
drone link/projectiles in highs
mission specific drones, rigs if you have the money (CCC and maybe nano pump) and have fun
All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide.. |
Slyton Silur
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.07.01 12:00:00 -
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Hmm, anyway why do you want to shield tank in a Gallente ship? i thought that the Gallente was mainly armor tanking? Also whats so good about artillery compared to hybrid guns?
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Scordite
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Posted - 2007.07.01 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Slyton Silur Hmm, anyway why do you want to shield tank in a Gallente ship? i thought that the Gallente was mainly armor tanking? Also whats so good about artillery compared to hybrid guns?
You don't want to shield tank gallente ships in general. You do want to consider a passive shield tank in the very specific instance of the myrmidon, because of it's slot layout, coupled with high base shield and low shield recharge time.
Basically, you fit shield extenders in mids and shield power relays in lows.. This gives you a huge buffer zone on your shield, and a very fast recharge time. So much so that you regen hitpoints faster then you could with a shield booster or a dual MAR. Also, the tank uses no cap, and there's no need to change hardeners depending on which rats you'll be facing. You don't even need to think about turning on your reppers at the right time, recharge is always active, which makes the setup very lag and afk proof.
The reason you use projectiles in this setup is that shield power relays increase your cap recharge time dramatically.. So much so that you will run out of cap at some point from firing any other gun (projectiles use zero cap).
The setup I'd recommend:
4 large shield extenders 1 invul field
5 shield power relays 1 power diag
With t2 fittings and purger rigs, you'd be able to tank most lvl4s like this. It's easily enough to tank full room aggro in all lvl 3 missions. Hell, you could swap a couple shield power relays for power diags and fill your highs with tractors and salvagers if you wanted, assuming your drone skills are oke.
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Let Nelass
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Posted - 2007.07.01 13:26:00 -
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A Passive shield tanked myrmidon does not need to use all it's slots to tank any level 3 mission. Just make sure you have shield operations and shield management both at lvl 3, as these are 1 and 3 multiplier skills it won't take long to achieve this.
Also, use Beta: shield power relay instead of T2, they have easier fitting requirements and require less skilling.
Instead of an invulnerability field, I would fit an omnidirectional tracking link in one of the midslots on a myr, as sometimes the drones have trouble with faster targets.
So, midslot: 1x drone tracking link, 4x shield extenders II Lowslot: 6x Beta SPR
Hislot, 1x drone control range increaser, the rest proj guns or whatever you like
Drone Bay: 5x rat spcific Heavy Drone II
With that,naturally you will need CDFPs as well, you should be fine afk-ing any mission that doesn't have respawns, as long as you get all the aggro first.
However, if you already have good armour skills, get a Domi instead, and use a mix of Sentries, Heavies and Meds. Sentries lack all the weaknesses of drones, but retain their strengths. However, they are useless if the rats get too close.
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Lux Exterior
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Posted - 2007.07.01 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Lux Exterior on 01/07/2007 13:40:56
Originally by: Let Nelass .........., I would fit an omnidirectional tracking link in one of the midslots on a myr, as sometimes the drones have trouble with faster targets....................Drone Bay: 5x rat spcific Heavy Drone II
You mean a Drone Navigation Computer of course.
Omnidirectional Tracking Links are really only useful for sentries.
Heavy drones are simply not fast enough for most missions, you MUST carry 5 x Lights and 5 x Mediums, the rest is up to you.
I fly these, you obviously don't.
Edit: You MUST use resists, some of the storyline missions involve Amarr Navy NPC's and they do LOTS of EM and Thermal damage; your two weakest resists.
And you MUST use projectiles with this passive tank otherwise your capacitor will be gone and you won't be able to run any hardeners at all or indeed warp out if you have to.
Invulnerability fields use twice the cap of active single hardeners, so you can fit a pair of active hardeners to suit the mission since most rats primarily only do two damgage types.
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Let Nelass
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Posted - 2007.07.01 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Let Nelass on 01/07/2007 15:27:40 I do fly this set up, i've flown dozens of lvl 3s in it, and I have never (that I can recall) had to warp out on one.
You are the one who doesn't use heavy drones, so how could you possibly appreciate how useful they are for those damn frigs. There is one mission where a bunch of frigates took literally hours to kill without the tracking bonus, but with it I never noticed their presence. I know it took several hours to kill them, because I left my computer for three hours after launching my drones, and when I came back, the last one wasn't quite dead.
You will recharge 300 dps with only 4 extenders. Ok, you're vulnerable to EM. But you don't have to bother with any damn active modules, I'm willing to concede that there may well be lvl 3 missions that do more than 300 dps EM in one spawn. I have never encountered them however. If you do, just fit your invulnerability field again. Bothering with specific resistances for the rats is pointless on lvl 3s.
*Edit* as to the drones' speed... it is possible the author of the above post is correct, I always afk my lvl 3s or fly lvl 4s in my Myr, and for that heavy drones are best.
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Slyton Silur
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.07.01 18:48:00 -
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Okay i know that most people here now has suggested shield tanking. But lets say i want to armor tank, could you suggest a setup for that? Would you still use artillery then? or?
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Chammdar
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Posted - 2007.07.01 19:33:00 -
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This is what i use for my myrmidon. I use this setup for lvl 3 and pvp.
hi 5 x 250mm rail guns (named) 1 x Drone link augmentor I mid 1 x AB II 2 x webifier (named) 1 x warp inhibitor (named) low 1 x MAR II 3 x ex ki thermal hardener 1 x DC II 1 x EANM I
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Slyton Silur
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.07.01 21:00:00 -
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Dominix vs Myrmidon, how is that? thinking of both in pve and pvp? whats those two ships ups and downs?
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Krytie
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Posted - 2007.07.01 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Krytie on 01/07/2007 22:00:39 I use the myr for all level 3 missions. I can tank them all with no problems at all. I also have TERRIBLE weapons skills.
In my highs: I have 2 drone link augmentors.. gives me over 40K exta range and my drones can head out over 100KM. I use 1 425 mm autocannon and 1 650mm autocannon. I use them just to get everyone to target me. I then put in a salvager and a small tractor beam in the top slots. This is because I usually have the drones going around and I direct them. No need to worry about having to reload, so there is a lot of waiting time. So, I take advantage of that that I start to clean up a bit. Most missions, I am busy the whole time, but dont need to come back too often to clean up afterwards.
Mediums: This is fairly easy... 4 cap rechargers and either an afterburner, drone speed, or webifier. Depends on the mission.
Lows: 1600 reinforced rolled tungsten plates, 2 armor repairer IIs, 2 specific hardeners IIs, and 1 damage control unit II.
For modules, I use The trimark armor pump, as this gives 15% armor bonus,also, I use the Auxillary Mano pump that increases armor repair amount by 15%, and finally, the cap control circuit that increases the recharge rate by 15%.
When I have all items active, I am still at over 50% cap at all times.
Basically, I use drones to take out all enemies. I use only heavies as well. they are fast enough to kill all enemies, except the Gallente ones if you are doing Caldari missions. But, the ships that are too quick are always within the 10KM range, so the webifier is used to slow them down. I usually use the drone speed in the mid, just to give the drones a bit more speed, as I usually sit there and salvage when fighting and just tank. Also, if the gate is far, I just slowly move there while the drones take everyone out.
I think for level 3s, the Myr is the best. The myr has drone and armor repair bonuses, so armor tanking is definately the way to do with this beast. I have tried this setup recently on level 4 missions as well and it can handle itself in them too. But, it is not a stroll in the park, like with level 3s. If you move to level 4s, I suggest the BS. I will probably move to the megathron as it has 125 drone space and it is specialized more in blasters. So, a lot more DPS, but first, I need to train some type of turret skills./.. ha ha ha
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Byzan Zwyth
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.01 22:27:00 -
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myrmy is overkill for level3 missions but forget the passive setup they are pointless
if you want to do the missions faster you want an AB and you want damage mods for your weapons, to fit those you want an armor tank.
If you want to do level4's in a myrmy that's a different story. ---------------------- Rank: Tech 1 and a 1/2 cannon fodder
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cytomatrix
Caldari The Caldari Confederation
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Posted - 2007.07.01 22:59:00 -
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Myrmidon or Ishtar. ______________________________ Caldari blood. Gallente style. Minmatar Attitude. |
oMAKo
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Posted - 2007.07.01 23:34:00 -
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I use a Brutix... does the job nicely for me
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Lady Weaksauce
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:04:00 -
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templar, amarr fighter used by carriers
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr Ordo Ministorum
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Posted - 2007.07.02 22:21:00 -
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Passive armor tanked Myrmidon:
Highs: 5 x 200/250 rails or Artillery + 1 x Drone Link Augmentor
Mids: 1 x AFB, 2 x Cap rechargers + 2 x whatever
Lows: 1 x MAR, 4 x N-Type rat specific passive hardeners, 1 x DC
Drones: Mission Specific mix of Med + Lights.
One Empire, One Emperor, One People, Forever under Heaven. Amarr Aeternus.
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xenodia
Gallente Shadowrun Company
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Posted - 2007.07.02 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Slyton Silur Greetings!
I've just started to be able to use +quality agent lvl 3's. So i wonder what kind of Gallente ship i should use? And what kind of fittings i should fit??
T1: Myrmidon T2: Ishkur or Ishtar, unless you can fly an Eos (which it doesnt sound like)
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xenodia
Gallente Shadowrun Company
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Posted - 2007.07.02 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Forgetting that you're Caldari -- the most efficient non-faction ship for running missions is the Raven. People from virtually all races train Caldari BS 4 just for the Raven.
With that said, I run missions in a Myrmidon.
Liang
I actually hate the raven for missions. I always preferred the domi. I guess its because its hard to fit a high end active shield tank that runs forever, and im terrible about forgetting to turn the shield booster on or off. Or maybe its a racial think and im prejudiced against Caldari.
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xenodia
Gallente Shadowrun Company
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Posted - 2007.07.02 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Slyton Silur Hmm, anyway why do you want to shield tank in a Gallente ship? i thought that the Gallente was mainly armor tanking? Also whats so good about artillery compared to hybrid guns?
1) Gallente ship slot layouts lend themselves nicely to passive shield tanking 2) On a passive setup, you want guns that dont use cap, which means missiles or projectiles 3) You will be slow due to now MWD/AB, so you want guns with decent range, which means artillery by process of elimination.
A passive tanked myrmidon, even with mediocre shield skills, will have a stronger tank than an active armor tanked myrmidon, but ONLY for pve. The minute you have to start taking hardeners/extenders off to put on a warp scram for PvP, the tank is much weaker and youre probably better off with a traditional blaster/armor tank setup.
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