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Almarez
Setenta Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.20 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: thebold
Originally by: Almarez Stay and fight, and lose billions in assets, much more than the value of both outposts together or leave and save our corporations. We had no dillusions that BoB would have taken us out eventually.
How can you put a price on freedome?
LOL...thanks for the humor. And tbh, I think no one in the corp is caring anymore, we're just having fun.
New outpost-30 bil isk, Items to save up for cap ships-700 mil isk, Going to bed early now that you don't have to work for that and realizing how much poontang you were missing-PRICELESS |
Kvarium Ki
legion of qui Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.20 03:05:00 -
[92]
As long as you think about "saving your assets" you'll be unhappy and unsuccessfull in 0.0
All these little gadgets we have in our hangers exist for just one reason: so we can fit them on our little ships and go blow them up!
It can all be replaced mate, that's the great thing about a video game.
Ok I can understand wanting to get the gas cloud harvesters, the BPOs and other rare modules out that are not used for pvp but that's about it.
That's how I see things now anyway. I don't care about stupid modules. Everything I buy is with the firm intention of blowing it up one day.
KK.
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Voltron
Caldari STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.06.20 04:43:00 -
[93]
Ok then, good to know!
Volt
It's great touching your own dink isn't it?
"Droog812 > normally id care if it was a logon trap - but considering bobs history of taking down super caps, i dont care how it died" |
UGWidowmaker
Caldari Setenta Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.20 06:53:00 -
[94]
can we have a lock on this one. its old news now.. OMFG
I am the widowmaker stay tuned. |
band0fdevs
Gallente Band of Dev's
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:03:00 -
[95]
Originally by: UGWidowmaker can we have a lock on this one. its old news now..
i know sentena can merge with STK and form the new ASCN
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:15:00 -
[96]
Good luck STC.
A little bit of me is always with you.
Best Regards,
Taurequis
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:22:00 -
[97]
Originally by: thebold
Originally by: Almarez Stay and fight, and lose billions in assets, much more than the value of both outposts together or leave and save our corporations. We had no dillusions that BoB would have taken us out eventually.
How can you put a price on freedom?
Agree with thebold .
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Algorithm 5
Caldari Hakata Group
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Posted - 2007.06.20 12:12:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Kvarium Ki As long as you think about "saving your assets" you'll be unhappy and unsuccessfull in 0.0
All these little gadgets we have in our hangers exist for just one reason: so we can fit them on our little ships and go blow them up!
It can all be replaced mate, that's the great thing about a video game.
Ok I can understand wanting to get the gas cloud harvesters, the BPOs and other rare modules out that are not used for pvp but that's about it.
The trouble is that when you've been living somewhere for so long, and you have to move it all out in 2-3 days, it takes nearly the whole time to get it all out anyway.
Towers by the dozen, minerals by the multi-multi-millions of units, bpos, moon minerals and such, the list of "non-pvp" stuff goes on and on.
If people had turned around and started pew-pewing with the ships during that time, it would have compromised the ability to get a fair whack of that stuff out.
A billion isk here and a billion isk there, and pretty soon that adds up to real money.
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klobbo theKuh
Minmatar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 12:28:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Korin Muradrim Personally I'm surprised Xelas was allowed to stay as long as we did. I expected something like this to happen eventually, but the green light to deploy the outpost (regardless of how late in the process this came) and the help we received signaled to me that BoB were OK with STC, at the very least. That was naive of me, I admit that much.
Now, my first idea when the announcement was made was that we should try to bargain with BoB and convince them to let us keep holding the outpost and, when Xelas was gone, join the new alliance that was moving in. Worth a shot, I thought. Our CEO however, after having been in talks with BoB for a little while, told us that there was absolutely no way we could keep our outpost and remain living in Fountain. I guess this failed.
It's a shame, but we have learned our lesson. We'll pull through, somehow.
I still cant figure out , how someone can be so devote in a game like this, for master and servant roleplay they could use the second life engine
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THE LOCK
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Posted - 2007.06.20 13:22:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Kryztal
You stand by your allies, we stood by them for over a year and a half now its come to an end. It went quite respectfully and smoothly from most XS guys except Setenta.
They are likely upset with losing the station that they just built. Wouldn't you be?
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End Yourself
Core Domination Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.06.20 14:46:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Almarez
Originally by: thebold
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal it tends to prove my point about Xelas leadership, communication, and the utter lack of it.
By the sounds of it mate, Molle says: Xelas Get out of fountain now. Xelas say: YES SIR!.
I do not see a lack of action of the given order that has been made public, off course you may be aware of more private communications between Xelas and BOB that the public do not know about.
I wish people would understand the predicament we were in. Stay and fight, and lose billions in assets, much more than the value of both outposts together or leave and save our corporations. We had no dillusions that BoB would have taken us out eventually. And on top of BoB you have Axe, MC, FIX, FATAL...these are all very good PVP groups. Don't judge us for leaving the way we did, look at an older territorial map and a current one, and look at how those forces have annihilated several alliances, some with much more in resources than Xelas. We got shafted sure, but the friends in my corp are much more important than the outpost.
Rumour got it fountain got quite some npc stations.
"Xelas" could have stayed as long as you wanted to, fighting an assymetric war... make the new locals pay for the outpost in shiplosses...
Hard to grasp for an alliance which considers building an OP a challenge and people who measure achievement in isk farmed. But as your standings can't get worse now anyway you might just want to try it out. Or do Eve a favour and go play WoW!
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BoinKlasik
Senkei Jin
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Posted - 2007.06.20 15:51:00 -
[102]
Originally by: band0fdevs
Originally by: UGWidowmaker can we have a lock on this one. its old news now..
i know sentena can merge with STK and form the new ASCN
they could form ST*, accepting all coroperations who'se tickers start with ST.
*doh, I broke my edited sig :/* *cries* this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
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thebold
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.06.20 21:24:00 -
[103]
Originally by: End Yourself Or do Eve a favour and go play WoW!
I nearly said that in my reply to mate, but I something just said no :'(
/me agrees with you there!
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Almarez
Setenta Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.24 04:03:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Kvarium Ki As long as you think about "saving your assets" you'll be unhappy and unsuccessfull in 0.0
All these little gadgets we have in our hangers exist for just one reason: so we can fit them on our little ships and go blow them up!
It can all be replaced mate, that's the great thing about a video game.
Ok I can understand wanting to get the gas cloud harvesters, the BPOs and other rare modules out that are not used for pvp but that's about it.
That's how I see things now anyway. I don't care about stupid modules. Everything I buy is with the firm intention of blowing it up one day.
KK.
Easy for you to say rich man.
New outpost-30 bil isk, Items to save up for cap ships-700 mil isk, Going to bed early now that you don't have to work for that and realizing how much poontang you were missing-PRICELESS |
Almarez
Setenta Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.24 04:04:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Almarez on 24/06/2007 04:04:02
Originally by: End Yourself
Originally by: Almarez
Originally by: thebold
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal it tends to prove my point about Xelas leadership, communication, and the utter lack of it.
By the sounds of it mate, Molle says: Xelas Get out of fountain now. Xelas say: YES SIR!.
I do not see a lack of action of the given order that has been made public, off course you may be aware of more private communications between Xelas and BOB that the public do not know about.
I wish people would understand the predicament we were in. Stay and fight, and lose billions in assets, much more than the value of both outposts together or leave and save our corporations. We had no dillusions that BoB would have taken us out eventually. And on top of BoB you have Axe, MC, FIX, FATAL...these are all very good PVP groups. Don't judge us for leaving the way we did, look at an older territorial map and a current one, and look at how those forces have annihilated several alliances, some with much more in resources than Xelas. We got shafted sure, but the friends in my corp are much more important than the outpost.
Rumour got it fountain got quite some npc stations.
"Xelas" could have stayed as long as you wanted to, fighting an assymetric war... make the new locals pay for the outpost in shiplosses...
Hard to grasp for an alliance which considers building an OP a challenge and people who measure achievement in isk farmed. But as your standings can't get worse now anyway you might just want to try it out. Or do Eve a favour and go play WoW!
I agree, if it were up to me I would have gotten our stuff out and gone back to live out of the npc stations but as I said I am just a peon.
New outpost-30 bil isk, Items to save up for cap ships-700 mil isk, Going to bed early now that you don't have to work for that and realizing how much poontang you were missing-PRICELESS |
Marine03112
Minmatar Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.24 11:57:00 -
[106]
I used to like you guys alot. But towards the end of it all you guys had more farmers in your corp than i could count on my fingers. Tons. You all got what you deserved the boot. Maybe though the farmers have left and your corp can become what it used to be. GL with that.
Marine.
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UGWidowmaker
Caldari Setenta Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.24 12:28:00 -
[107]
they are in soul of fountain now. besides they were not in stc but a difrent corp. but its all history now. OMFG
I am the widowmaker stay tuned. |
Korin Muradrim
Setenta Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.24 13:04:00 -
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STC itself only had around 5 farmers, some of which actually did engage in conversation and PvP from time to time. Most of them are still in the corp, even if we don't have our own 0.0 region to play in. There was one guy who joined near the end who had a lot of alts, but he was a macro-ing idiot who shot everyone and everything. He's been kicked now.
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MoeStyles
Catalyst Reaction
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Posted - 2007.06.26 13:09:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Marine03112 I used to like you guys alot. But towards the end of it all you guys had more farmers in your corp than i could count on my fingers. Tons. You all got what you deserved the boot. Maybe though the farmers have left and your corp can become what it used to be. GL with that.
Marine.
Marine,
Not taking a personal jab at you but I find it hard to buy into anyone trash talking about farmers in any corp or alliance for that matter. Farmers exist everywhere including in BOB and to say otherwise is just silly. It's how they are managed that is key.
Did STC have farmers, yes a few and the ones that caused problems were always dealt with swiftly. They had some guys that were farmers that single handedly made STC a much stronger corp with their efforts by helping to put ship after ship on the line during ASCN's romp through Fountain. Not just frigs to battleships but capital assets as well.
Consider this. At the time ASCN was attacking in fountain STC had an active member base of less than 20. I forget the exact numbers but they were operating on a skeleton crew for some time. A number of times they had dreads and carriers involved in fights. For the few that made up STC's active member base at the time it's almost a given that the need for folks that can farm for the corp to gain needed assets to support war efforts was not only acceptable but needed to help support the alliance at the time.
Farmers are like any other players in the game. Provided they work towards corp efforts and are handled properly with regard to conduct when out of line, no one should flame on about farmers because they drive quite a number of corps and alliances.
People make far to big of a deal with this whole farmers issue. Whether macro ratting / mining or manually ratting / mining constantly, you're a farmer. The way people make this sound is if you're not out PVPing all the time you're a farmer and that's all there is to it.
A lot of down talking about corps and alliances is always going to happen. Those of us that realize it's just a game and it's not nearly as big a deal as folks like you think it is, are the ones that benefit from the efforts of managing our members including the farmers so that their efforts go towards common goals of the corp and towards supporting our allies. That's exactly what STC did time and again right to the end.
Don't care who says what from what alliance / corp. This entire farming issue has turned people into flaming drama queens on the forums. Please grow up and move along already. Respect for STC has nothing to do with the farmers. It should have everything to do with what they've done, the quality of people, and the past efforts they have demonstrated by action and example to others. They were there when BOB needed Xelas for any efforts and that's a fact.
To say anything less about them is just childish at this point and grossly inaccurate. --
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.26 13:47:00 -
[110]
Originally by: MoeStyles Not taking a personal jab at you but I find it hard to buy into anyone trash talking about farmers in any corp or alliance for that matter. Farmers exist everywhere including in BOB and to say otherwise is just silly. It's how they are managed that is key.
If that helps you sleep at night i guess. -----
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Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.06.26 15:00:00 -
[111]
I really doubt many xelas have that much pootang ahead of them.
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 15:24:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Astasia Orian on 26/06/2007 15:24:22
Quote: Not taking a personal jab at you but I find it hard to buy into anyone trash talking about farmers in any corp or alliance for that matter. Farmers exist everywhere including in BOB and to say otherwise is just silly. It's how they are managed that is key.
Please name the ones in BoB or tell me which systems I can find them in. Unless this is some word trick where anyone npcing is a 'farmer' as opposed to the sweatshop countrythatshallnotbenamed syndicates Xelas liked so much, you are quite wrong indeed.
Quote: Farmers are like any other players in the game.
Absolutely untrue. They are a disease that affects MMOs because of the RMT business. They are not players, they are workers. They contribute nothing to the spirit of the game. They're a blight that wouldn't exist without the RMT business.
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Malcore Trisus
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.26 16:00:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Malcore Trisus on 26/06/2007 16:01:25
Originally by: MoeStyles People make far to big of a deal with this whole farmers issue. Whether macro ratting / mining or manually ratting / mining constantly, you're a farmer. The way people make this sound is if you're not out PVPing all the time you're a farmer and that's all there is to it.
Doomsday Corp was a farming corp and no matter how you try and spin it, it doesn't change the facts. They weren't just members who liked to farm a lot, they were there, each one always in the same systems,every day, safespoting and cloaking or logging out whenever a hostile entered the system. The key word you used was "constantly" and this is absolutely correct.
The best part about this is that other leaders in you alliance admitted to such and then talked about how it was good for Xelas. Did you even undock and fly around Fountain near the last couple months when it really became an issue?
Originally by: Astasia Orian
Quote: Farmers are like any other players in the game.
Absolutely untrue. They are a disease that affects MMOs because of the RMT business. They are not players, they are workers. They contribute nothing to the spirit of the game. They're a blight that wouldn't exist without the RMT business.
Now you've got me agreeing whole heartedly w/ BoB. I think you'll find few in this entire community that think otherwise.
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MoeStyles
Catalyst Reaction
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Posted - 2007.06.26 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: MoeStyles on 26/06/2007 18:12:26
A disease.. farmers are hardly any more of a disease than most of you hard core forum warriors that come in and bash anything you don't like or agree with and no matter what facts are presented to you, you're right and everyone else is wrong.
Tell me they're not players like anyone else, bs. Most of you that sit out in 0.0 and rat system after system by very definition are farmers. I've seen so called pvpers rat day after day non-stop from LV, CHIMP, SA, SE, so on and so forth.. It's part of the game. It's farming.. Some do it to a larger degree than others.
I know guys that mine and strip system after system and you'd call them farmers too. Yet they have managed by doing what they are to pick up nearly every BPO in game to build and use. Guess what they do then? They go out, strip more systems and start building stuff.
This jaded mentality that a number of you share is just plain ammusing. You get so militant about anyone telling you they have a point of view that is 180 degrees the opposite of yours and right away they're wrong and it's time to flame them. Good for you, show me and everyone else just how ignorant you really are. I'll sit back, grab the popcorn and drinks, then watch you spin your wheels coming up with some backwards reasoning why you're right and everyone else is wrong.
To tell me that not one single person in BOB or any of their affiliated corps doesn't farm is complete nonsense. Who cares already. Get over it, please.. People farm to make their isk as that's how the game works. You farm complexes and I know BOB has done that to pull together funds for various projects. Go ahead, tell me it isn't true and I'll tell you that's a load of crap.
You guys seriously need to take a pill, get a life, go get laid, and maybe seek professional help to deal with all this penned up hostility you bare towards the rest of the community. I mean just because you're incapable of doing some of the things others do it make ISK in the game doesn't make them evil and you the good guys.
As far as the real financial gains some folks make off the game, that's the business of CCP to deal with and not something I bother to concern myself with. It's going to happen because there is no way to stop it completely or ever. So getting all bent about it isn't going to help anything or anyone. Get over it already.
3 months away from the game has given me so clarity on a number of things in the MMO community. Enough clarity to say, nothing really matters as long as I'm having fun. So please.. more spin, more rants.. I need more entertainment at the expense of you select and special class of folk that take yourselves and the game far to seriously.
Thanks for the laughs.. :) --
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 18:16:00 -
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Quote: To tell me that not one single person in BOB or any of their affiliated corps doesn't farm is complete nonsense. get over it.
What an awful lot of words, pretty much the definition games I predicted you trying in my previous post. Not one single person in BoB, to my extensive knowledge, is employed in a pseudo-lan center for pennies per hour to generate game money and avoid all other aspects of the game on 12 hr shifts for a 'boss' who employs them, covers the cost of the lan center, the gaming accounts and the trading of game money for real life currency. I can't speak for 'affiliated corps' without a definition, but we shoot them when we find them.
Nonsense?
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MoeStyles
Catalyst Reaction
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:07:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Astasia Orian
Quote: To tell me that not one single person in BOB or any of their affiliated corps doesn't farm is complete nonsense. get over it.
What an awful lot of words, pretty much the definition games I predicted you trying in my previous post. Not one single person in BoB, to my extensive knowledge, is employed in a pseudo-lan center for pennies per hour to generate game money and avoid all other aspects of the game on 12 hr shifts for a 'boss' who employs them, covers the cost of the lan center, the gaming accounts and the trading of game money for real life currency. I can't speak for 'affiliated corps' without a definition, but we shoot them when we find them.
Nonsense?
And as I said, you're never going to stop it completely.
Fact: People that are regular players are repeatedly called farmers by players like you even though they're doing something productive either for themselves or their corp. Guys that spend time ratting all day for faction are "farming". People that spend weeks on end stripping belt after belt. People that run a plex over and over again to farm for the loot and ISK generated by running that plex. etc. etc. "Farmers"
Now, to the point. Marine's post accused STC of being chalk full of farmers. By the definition you posted of what you consider a farmer, his post is completely inaccurate and the word farmer once again is applied in a broad manner to which by his reply means that everyone including BOB members are farmers. In other words a false accusation slung at STC.
If I apply your definition of the term then there is absolutely no way possible that anyone in STC can be called a farmer because each one of the players that was part of STC interacted with the corp and that much I know for a fact. They might not have always minded their manners or done what was required of them but they were not farmers just because they sat out ratting and mining in fountain.
This whole term "farmer" is ignorantly used by the entire community. If you're going to call someone a farmer then you need to have substantial proof such as the address of the sweat shop they're working out of and valid proof which you can share with CCP as opposed to folks on the forums or else you need to shut up and accept the fact that people grind faction, grind killing rats, grind mining, grind doing this that or the other thing and are being called farmers simply for playing the game.
These things said, you predicted nothing. You made an assumption which is clearly inaccurate. There was no play on words and my original reply was based entirely in what Marine accused STC of being when in fact by his definition every corp and alliance in Eve are farmers.
I think it's time we invent a few new terms to define what people are being accused of since the term farming seems to have been given a wide reach here and is childishly applied by folks as if it were a sin.
So yes.. Nonsense.
PS: If you shoot them when you find them, does that implicate that you're at their sweatshops shooting them since in game it's absolutely impossible for you to tell me you know beyond a doubt that they are farmers by your definition.
Thanks for the entertainment. --
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.27 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: MoeStyles This whole term "farmer" is ignorantly used by the entire community. If you're going to call someone a farmer then you need to have substantial proof such as the address of the sweat shop they're working out of
No we dont, sweatshop iskfarmers are easy to spot and should at any possible time be griefed as much as possible. -----
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.27 03:02:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: MoeStyles This whole term "farmer" is ignorantly used by the entire community. If you're going to call someone a farmer then you need to have substantial proof such as the address of the sweat shop they're working out of
No we dont, sweatshop iskfarmers are easy to spot and should at any possible time be griefed as much as possible.
And half of the isk farmers I have been scamming out of ISK have been from Setenta. Odd conincidence?
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 03:41:00 -
[119]
That is quite a coincidence sir, as Setenta had no isk farmers and was entirely comprised of people playing eve for pleasure with no association to sweatshops or cloakstabravens called lovefriendyang6776!
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UGWidowmaker
Caldari The Ankou The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:22:00 -
[120]
OMFG
I am the widowmaker stay tuned. |
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