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Dashhammer II
Amarr O RLY corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.21 13:22:00 -
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Okay, I have to comment on the recent Q&A with Janus Drake. In case you haven't read it, it is front page news today from Mucra Vita. Let me repost it here for anyone that hasn't read it. Or at least... the sections I have a problem with...
-------- Janus Drake is a high ranking official within the X-Trading Company, one of the founding corporations of Dusk and Dawn. Dusk and Dawn (D2) is a large alliance based out of Branch and situated within the northern regions. D2 is known for their extensive diplomatic and industrial tactics, as well as being fierce fighters for their claimed space. Recently, great events have occurred surrounding D2 as their alliance numbers have varied and wars have sprung up.
IC: What was the outcome of your assault into BoB space? D2: If you're talking of our trip to the Serpentis Fountain Regions, it was the exploration of this territory, further education for our pilots, and the most important part, the entertainment of our alliance population.
IC: How does the loss of 3 corporations and a titan affect your ability to fight in this war? D2: There is a war? Last I saw outer space is always in a state of war. IC: I was referring to the War between the Coalition and the Alliance D2: I donĘt think there is a coalition or an alliance if you prefer to call it so; I would see it more as movement of different interest of different groups. Some fight for glory, some for their entertainment, others fight for their masters.
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What the heck? Since new years we've all been at each others throats both in the forums and in space and now that the tide has turned, D2's answer is 'It never happened'? Was the five month war just a figment of the imagination of a little autistic boy staring into a snow globe?
Was D2's titan lost on a lark? Just some big fourth of july celebration that southerners took for war?
Instead of pretending that the coalition never existed and that D2 was never at war with BOB. Perhaps it would be a better option to instead, try thier hands at diplomacy. Are the days of diplomacy long dead? Now we just rewrite history and try to convince everyone that "We all wanted to live in empire. I don't know what this war thing is that you speak of."
Has it occured to anyone in the coalition that a truce can be struck? Now people may read this and assume that I am some how ragging on D2 for their choice of exit strategies. I'm not. Please believe that I am not.
I have in the past issued challenges to D2 to explain their intentions and reasoning for the war. D2 declined to explain themselves and commented through several hundred forum posters that 'War is fun'. Whether or not this was the consensus- I would like to follow up these challenges by asking D2 to finally ressurect the diplomatic process with bob.
There was a time (though few remember it) when G alliance and BOB were on semi-good terms with each other and although many pleaded with G to talk things out instead of continuing the violence, they declined.
Well let me just say that I do not represent BOB and I do not represent the southern alliance. I don't even represent ISS. But I'm asking D2 to abandon their present course and contact BOB on an official level to talk about the possibility of a cease fire.
They'll probably be suspicious. But at least it's a start. I strive to have the largest rating on our billboards, but do not for a moment believe that I take pride in that. Lets end the violence. End the madness.
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.05.21 13:25:00 -
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Denial has now been upgraded to an entire region, we have no time for rivers in this day and age.
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snaike
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.05.21 13:26:00 -
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*snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. - Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) Cryin' Won't Help You, Prayin' Will Do You No Good |
Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 21/05/2007 13:31:26
Originally by: snaike *snip*
/Edited. No point responding to n00balt --
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LeviUK
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.05.21 13:32:00 -
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I don't speak for D2 nor do I even speak for MM but if there are as many people in D2 who have the same feelings towards BoB and allies as there are in MM, then peace talks with BoB would be a far quicker death than any war.
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Chrony
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dashhammer II There was a time (though few remember it) when G alliance and BOB were on semi-good terms with each other and although many pleaded with G to talk things out instead of continuing the violence, they declined.
Well let me just say that I do not represent BOB and I do not represent the southern alliance. I don't even represent ISS. But I'm asking D2 to abandon their present course and contact BOB on an official level to talk about the possibility of a cease fire.
Its true that there was a time that we were on *semi-good* terms, but that consisted of telling each other how much fun a battle was or things like that. Although I'm not someone who can make a dicision like, I've almost been there since the start of the conflict between CE/G, and I can tell you that a cease fire between us is not going to happen. NEVER.
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Faithless F
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.05.21 13:35:00 -
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O RLY
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.21 13:38:00 -
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Looks like some northern alliances have enough and try to get out of this now, before they lose everything. Sounds similar to sparta's announcement.
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Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.21 13:45:00 -
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Dear OP
Why do YOU want to stop the war? Its FUN for crying out loud!
BOB take the right, pets and meathields take the left and everyone meet in the middle in ...hmm half a year from now or so(or longer if the enemy keeps fighting hard).
There, now everyone profits! The PVP'ers get their pew-pew the industrialists get their fat wallet and everyone is happy!
Peace in EVE is overrated.
p.s with everybody complaining about the supercapitals you should be happy that less are being built due to the death of cap-yards everywhere.
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Buxaroo
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: LeviUK I don't speak for D2 nor do I even speak for MM but if there are as many people in D2 who have the same feelings towards BoB and allies as there are in MM, then peace talks with BoB would be a far quicker death than any war.
I remember when I was with SGHQ and allied with VC and I remembered KOTHFluf saying that if anyone could beat BoB, it was D2. Turns out that prediction was way off the mark
But tbh, I didn't expect the north to fold up so quickly. From what I have heard only FLA have put up a fight and they didn't seem to get much support from their "allies" D2. D2 have proved to be the biggest paper tiger that has ever been seen in New Eden.
"No matter where you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Banzai |
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HordeZla
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.05.21 13:49:00 -
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D2would never admit that they are getting spanked by smaller forces. They have allways been the people to blame someone else for there inabilitys,
Just got kill a few capitals and watch there KB go all private for a week or so.
hurry up MC and co so we can place them in the back of our minds along with ASCN.
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.21 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: Fred0 on 21/05/2007 13:48:27 Have a look at the questions. They are a joke and very stacked. So Janus just said **** it I'm not gonna take this seriously. We got as much as we could from that one imho. I would have just told the reporter to log his main tbfh
Oh and peace. Just forget it. Won't happen.
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hinch
Gallente Furious Angels Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.05.21 13:56:00 -
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as i've said before and will do doubt say again
THIS IS D2
Fiery the Angels rose, & as they rose deep thunder roll'd Around their shores |
Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.21 13:57:00 -
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You can ask 0ozo0 what we're saying on our forums about it. Oh wait...D2 don't spy...
Also, there is no war, no "Fountain Terror Campaign" and no MC in Branch.
Originally by: Major Stormer
Quote: What should the MC do?
Make things explode.
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Dashhammer II
Amarr O RLY corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.21 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: LeviUK I don't speak for D2 nor do I even speak for MM but if there are as many people in D2 who have the same feelings towards BoB and allies as there are in MM, then peace talks with BoB would be a far quicker death than any war.
I remember when I was with SGHQ and allied with VC and I remembered KOTHFluf saying that if anyone could beat BoB, it was D2. Turns out that prediction was way off the mark
But tbh, I didn't expect the north to fold up so quickly. From what I have heard only FLA have put up a fight and they didn't seem to get much support from their "allies" D2. D2 have proved to be the biggest paper tiger that has ever been seen in New Eden.
I know that we've all been at this so long that we can not envision a world with out the north and the south attacking each other. But peace... I believe is possible. It won't happen however with out a lot of hard work from the D2 higher ups.
I am confident that they have channels of communication they can employ to make contact with BOB high command and ask for a 'peace roadmap' It would take sacrifice on D2's part and it would take leaps of faith on BOB's part. But this is not something that has to happen over night. I'm not saying that we should just scream truce and wander back home. I'm saying that in a year I don't want to have to drop what I am doing, run down to delve and fight D2- YET AGAIN.
Now there are a lot of angry people out there that will say 'This will be the last time because we're going to wipe d2 out.' Thats fair. I can understand why they feel that way. But D2 doesn't have to go down that road. They can AND SHOULD begin talks with BOB. They should do it NOW before there is no longer anything to talk about.
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IntegralHellsing
Gallente The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen
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Posted - 2007.05.21 14:33:00 -
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hmmm I do hear some hard spanking going on up North. Those scawy uncle bob and co doing something naughty to D2. the sound... makes me... HARD! --------------------------------------
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Draconiss
Gallente AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.05.21 14:37:00 -
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well that interview confused a lot of peeps up here in dek but hey its par for the corse...there has been lots of weirdness of late ..
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3xcit3
The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.21 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Buxaroo
But tbh, I didn't expect the north to fold up so quickly. From what I have heard only FLA have put up a fight and they didn't seem to get much support from their "allies" D2. D2 have proved to be the biggest paper tiger that has ever been seen in New Eden.
dont talk about things you dont have any idea of.. no fights? i think we gave mc some of the greatest battles they ever fought! watch our killboard..
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killerco
Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.05.21 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: HordeZla along with ASCN.
leave ascn out off this pls.
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Murphy
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.21 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: 3xcit3 dont talk about things you dont have any idea of.. no fights? i think we gave mc some of the greatest battles they ever fought! watch our killboard..
Kind of hard to when every battle you lock it down so nobody can view how bad you got spanked.
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Karmic
Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.21 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Crovan You can ask 0ozo0 what we're saying on our forums about it. Oh wait...D2 don't spy...
Also, there is no war, no "Fountain Terror Campaign" and no MC in Branch.
they prob got that info from Frod0 and his copy of ie7 nano/istab edition - - - - - - - - -
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IntegralHellsing
Gallente The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen
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Posted - 2007.05.21 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: killerco
Originally by: HordeZla along with ASCN.
leave ascn out off this pls.
touche!
Originally by: Karmic
Originally by: Crovan You can ask 0ozo0 what we're saying on our forums about it. Oh wait...D2 don't spy... Also, there is no war, no "Fountain Terror Campaign" and no MC in Branch.
they prob got that info from Frod0 and his copy of ie7 nano/istab edition
mmmm IE7 Nano/IStab edition. --------------------------------------
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Arenis Xemdal
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Fred0 Edited by: Fred0 on 21/05/2007 13:48:27 Have a look at the questions. They are a joke and very stacked. So Janus just said **** it I'm not gonna take this seriously. We got as much as we could from that one imho. I would have just told the reporter to log his main tbfh
Oh and peace. Just forget it. Won't happen.
What fails even more than Janus Drake's horrible attempt at spin and evasion, is that you both think you were somehow dealt a bad hand by ISD. You have to wonder what goes through someones head when they agree to an interview, not expecting to answer the hard questions that are on everyone's mind. This has major exposure, and an opportunity to polish D2's image was right there and waiting.
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Cythrawl
Caldari Central Defiance Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.05.21 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dashhammer II
D2: There is a war? Last I saw outer space is always in a state of war
Epic. Absolutely Epic.
I would like to thank Janus on behalf of [DEFY] for costing us our first ship loss to a titan. Congratulations. I still don't know what the H-E-double hockey sticks made it important to use a titan to pop a small group of people who just had blown up a D2 freighter, but if that's the new 'trap' the northern coalition is using, my mind is completely unable to fathom your tactics.
Good show sir, good show.
Absolutely Epic.
Cythrawl, [DEFY] Director, Kicker of Puppies, and Despoiler of all that is Holy
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Originally by: Black Torment OH GOD, DROWNING IN TINFOIL
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DeadProphet
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: LeviUK I don't speak for D2 nor do I even speak for MM but if there are as many people in D2 who have the same feelings towards BoB and allies as there are in MM, then peace talks with BoB would be a far quicker death than any war.
why would there be peace talks? there's no war, remember
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3xcit3
The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Murphy
Originally by: 3xcit3 dont talk about things you dont have any idea of.. no fights? i think we gave mc some of the greatest battles they ever fought! watch our killboard..
Kind of hard to when every battle you lock it down so nobody can view how bad you got spanked.
and you are?
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Buxaroo
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:01:00 -
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Edited by: Buxaroo on 21/05/2007 15:02:42
Originally by: 3xcit3
Originally by: Buxaroo
But tbh, I didn't expect the north to fold up so quickly. From what I have heard only FLA have put up a fight and they didn't seem to get much support from their "allies" D2. D2 have proved to be the biggest paper tiger that has ever been seen in New Eden.
dont talk about things you dont have any idea of.. no fights? i think we gave mc some of the greatest battles they ever fought! watch our killboard..
Kind of hard when it gets locked after every major battle
But what I meant to say is that you should have supported your allies much more than you have. If you had shown the same support to your allies FLA as BoB did for FIX then you might not be in this situation. Look at how many of the northern alliances are going neutral in this war.
They are starting to see, as did RISE and YouWhat, that you guys are not true allies nor do you give the support that is needed to them. You think BoB would sit by and watch D2 or anyone else come in and take over our allies space and not give a helping hand when it's needed? BoB gives support when needed to her allies. It's what allies do.
"No matter where you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Banzai |
Dashhammer II
Amarr O RLY corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: LeviUK I don't speak for D2 nor do I even speak for MM but if there are as many people in D2 who have the same feelings towards BoB and allies as there are in MM, then peace talks with BoB would be a far quicker death than any war.
Alright, I can understand that there are a fair amount of thrill seekers on both sides. Every corp has a fair amount of them. But behind those people there are players that have only one goal. That goal is to progress themselves, their friends and their corps, in peace. When I was a wee noob, bob took my friends in and looked after them. They gave my noob corp a place to live, things to do and they protected them. This is a favor that many of us can never quite repay.
So yes, we fight for bob while you all fight for the coalition (this thing which supposedly doesn't exist) You fight for D2 and MM and Goonswarm and RA. You fight for Iron any anyone else that I've left out. But for those of you that aren't thrill seekers, I'm betting you fight for them for the same reasons I've fuaght for BoB. You fight to protect your people. I look across the battle lines and I see my twin. Don't throw it all away out of pride. Don't let your leaders throw your corp away because a few thrill seekers picked a fight that didn't turn out well for them. We are better than this.
Most of us hate you. This is true. There are wounds on both sides. With as much as you hate BOB, understand that there are people in the southern alliance that hate D2 twice as much. But we can get past this. Your leaders can get us past this.
Instead of squaring off with us next year when D2 climbs out of empire and claims a region- wouldn't it be great if all this chaos was just a distant memory? Wouldn't it be great if we were blue to each other? It seems impossible, I know. I considered all of this yesterday when I was sitting in a dread, 60km from a coalition pos. But if it's possible for D2 to ask for a truce, then anything is possible. Anything can happen.
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MassonA
Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:06:00 -
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the truely horrifying thing in there is the spelling of triumvirate
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3xcit3
The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: 3xcit3 on 21/05/2007 15:08:51 ok, now for the ppl who do not understand or do not want to understand.. we dont lock the killboard down, the software sets it to private mode when server traffic is too high.. when its locked down come back the next day to watch it and btw.. its hard to help your allies when yourself being attacked and you have to defend your space. when we have the time or not the numbers to engange the enemies in our space we move and help our allies.. read seelens last battle report.. or is that too much text for you to read?
/edit: to Dashhammer II: there will be no "peace"
ps. i do not speak for my corp/ally. thats only my view of things..
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Dashhammer II
Amarr O RLY corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: 3xcit3 Edited by: 3xcit3 on 21/05/2007 15:08:51
ps. i do not speak for my corp/ally. thats only my view of things..
Thank god.
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DeadDuck
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Buxaroo
But tbh, I didn't expect the north to fold up so quickly. From what I have heard only FLA have put up a fight and they didn't seem to get much support from their "allies" D2. D2 have proved to be the biggest paper tiger that has ever been seen in New Eden.
Yeah we are weak remember ... thats why we have 100 hostile capitals and super capitals up here, and guess what, none of those is from BOB ...
"Bring it" you said so many times times months ago... well we went down there. But the supposed standings reset, the "BOB vs everyone" transformed in NAP everyone to kill the "northern carebears"... well for carebears we are giving your friends a hell of a fight trust me. If you dont believe me ask MC or your friends, because they know what I'm talking about. You dont.
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Skape Gote
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: 3xcit3
Originally by: Murphy
Originally by: 3xcit3 dont talk about things you dont have any idea of.. no fights? i think we gave mc some of the greatest battles they ever fought! watch our killboard..
Kind of hard to when every battle you lock it down so nobody can view how bad you got spanked.
and you are?
I'm gonna guess he is a member of the Alliance thats currently dry pumping your small tender sphincter along with the rest of the cryalition. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guess I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue...... |
IntegralHellsing
Gallente The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: IntegralHellsing on 21/05/2007 15:30:05
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Buxaroo
But tbh, I didn't expect the north to fold up so quickly. From what I have heard only FLA have put up a fight and they didn't seem to get much support from their "allies" D2. D2 have proved to be the biggest paper tiger that has ever been seen in New Eden.
Yeah we are weak remember ... thats why we have 100 hostile capitals and super capitals up here, and guess what, none of those is from BOB ...
"Bring it" you said so many times times months ago... well we went down there. But the supposed standings reset, the "BOB vs everyone" transformed in NAP everyone to kill the "northern carebears"... well for carebears we are giving your friends a hell of a fight trust me. If you dont believe me ask MC or your friends, because they know what I'm talking about. You dont.
well you do realize that bobbit pet alliances = part of bob forces, no? since bobbit pet alliances = 'SLAVES' (according to some) and since SLAVES belong to their master (which is bob, in this case), those non-bob cap ships still belong to bob, no?
ps. damn i feel like an idiot --------------------------------------
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Dakaris Zulu
Red 42 CORE.
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:32:00 -
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Are they all playing on sisi??
would explain alot
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DeckardIRL
Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:32:00 -
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D2 have failed to support their Northern Allies totally. In contrast BoB supports its allies to the max (yes despite the loss of LV space).
The Coalition forces on the North have all been over run so much so that MC is now in the heart of D2 territory - Branch. Word I have been getting is that D2 convoys have been running from Branch to Empire via Venal and Tenal for the last weeks.
Why would the victors of the Northern war want peace at this stage? I think the OP has some distant fondness for D2 and doesn't want to see it disappear. D2 are already leaving Branch... some one needs Uri Geller...
Deck _____________________________________________ Xelas Fleet Admiral
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Keleborn
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Buxaroo
But tbh, I didn't expect the north to fold up so quickly. From what I have heard only FLA have put up a fight and they didn't seem to get much support from their "allies" D2. D2 have proved to be the biggest paper tiger that has ever been seen in New Eden.
Yeah we are weak remember ... thats why we have 100 hostile capitals and super capitals up here, and guess what, none of those is from BOB ...
"Bring it" you said so many times times months ago... well we went down there. But the supposed standings reset, the "BOB vs everyone" transformed in NAP everyone to kill the "northern carebears"... well for carebears we are giving your friends a hell of a fight trust me. If you dont believe me ask MC or your friends, because they know what I'm talking about. You dont.
By "bringing it" you mean the whole north don't you. Enjoy Jita chump.
When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite but I don't waste my breath.
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Hast
Refused.
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck "BOB vs everyone" transformed in NAP everyone to kill the "northern carebears"...
ahahaha, that is so rich coming from the north
Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
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doctorstupid2
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: 3xcit3
Originally by: Murphy
Originally by: 3xcit3 dont talk about things you dont have any idea of.. no fights? i think we gave mc some of the greatest battles they ever fought! watch our killboard..
Kind of hard to when every battle you lock it down so nobody can view how bad you got spanked.
and you are?
That's Murphy. See how it says Murphy right there by his post?
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Esau Cairn
Bombshell Cartel Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.21 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dashhammer II But behind those people there are players that have only one goal. That goal is to progress themselves, their friends and their corps, in peace.
Umm, being still very noobish and stuff, I know that this probably isn't my place, but, still, I have to speak up. Uh, what, exactly are you smoking?
If we were all at peace, what would we do all day? Mine and rat and run missions? Now, I do some of the aforementioned, but I don't do it as an end in itself. I do it to support my PvP habit. I wouldn't still be playing Eve if it weren't for the PvPing. You know, a shot of adrenaline after a day of cube-sitting. I really do feel sorry for all those people sitting in empire who haven't figured out where the real fun is. (And I do realize that there are a few who never, ever want to PvP. I have to think they're the minority. Conflict makes the world go round.)
Hell, I even like all the drama on the forums. If you don't feel passionate about stuff, you're leading a shell of a life. Yes, even if it's only 'Internet space-ships'. It's OK to care about it. I only know one person in my corp in RL, but they're all good people and if they needed my help and I was able to give it, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
I've done all the other stuff. If there was no pew-pew, I wouldn't still be playing. Peace is overrated. Of course, that's just my opinion.
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Kcel Chim
Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2007.05.21 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck
"Bring it" you said so many times times months ago... well we went down there. But the supposed standings reset, the "BOB vs everyone" transformed in NAP everyone to kill the "northern carebears"... well for carebears we are giving your friends a hell of a fight trust me. If you dont believe me ask MC or your friends, because they know what I'm talking about. You dont.
Sounds like somewhere on the road to Nol you took a wrong turn or ? Considering the fact that the coalition was in the cards for months before the actual war started. A coalition d2 was busy setting up according to various d2 and ex d2 posters on this board. You brought everyone and tried the apetrain to Nol. Sadly you failed because you couldnt bring it.
As for the numbers, search the forum for them at the start of the war and now. You will see that at each time of the conflict alliance forces were and are outnumbered by coalition forces. Main difference is that the coalition and especially the northern branch of it cant bolster it up with quality. Fix, Xelas and the Fountain locals stonewalled you off long before any BoB or MC forces came to help. All the time you were busy calling those valliant defenders "Slaves" "pets" and other terms. Makes the medicine now alot more sour to swallow or ?
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DeadDuck
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.21 16:11:00 -
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To all the ones laughing at the Northern NAPS just to say that I'm proud of all the true friends we have up here. We are not the ones saying that "we are uber PVP'ers", "we are the best" , blah, blah, blah, blah.... but when the moment of truth comes .... NAP NAP NAP...
Carebear out
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Chrony
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 16:13:00 -
[43]
Originally by: DeadDuck Yeah we are weak remember ... thats why we have 100 hostile capitals and super capitals up here, and guess what, none of those is from BOB ...
"Bring it" you said so many times times months ago... well we went down there. But the supposed standings reset, the "BOB vs everyone" transformed in NAP everyone to kill the "northern carebears"...
Right, 5000 vs 20000 players wasn't enough eh? I'm sure 1500 vs 20000 would have been better for you.................................................
Are you Coaliation guys seriouslyy complaining about the numbers now?
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Kcel Chim
Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2007.05.21 16:19:00 -
[44]
Originally by: DeadDuck To all the ones laughing at the Northern NAPS just to say that I'm proud of all the true friends we have up here. We are not the ones saying that "we are uber PVP'ers", "we are the best" , blah, blah, blah, blah.... but when the moment of truth comes .... NAP NAP NAP...
Carebear out
uhm m8 you really see that this argument is stupid in the face of the universal war you declared on bob right ? Most of BoBs allies were on the coalitions "todo"-list anyways. Fix, Xelas, MC, Rise and all the other locals got pushed around, called names and marked as targets by your coalition and now you cry about the fact that they god forbid actually all team up to fight the common enemy off ?
Last but not least the label "we are uber pvp'ers" requires a basic understanding of the game. A good alliance is not meant to have no friends to show they are good or are you implying that d2 knew they sucked and hence, since they never wanted that uber label, choose to nap left and right ? Afterall the north has been napland since ages. While the alliance forces came together quiet recently, pushed together from outter pressure.
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Ikarushka
Gallente A.O.U. Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.21 16:23:00 -
[45]
stage one: denial... Linkage
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Buxaroo
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 16:26:00 -
[46]
Originally by: 3xcit3 and btw.. its hard to help your allies when yourself being attacked and you have to defend your space. when we have the time or not the numbers to engange the enemies in our space we move and help our allies..
Well that didn't stop us from helping our allies did it when you guys were roaming all around. That's a sad excuse coming from D2 when you and your allies completely outnumbered BoB+allies at the beginning. You had RAZOR/Morsus Mihi/Sparta/FLA/Triumvirate/IRON/CORE and various others in the north. And that's not even including RAGoon/IAC/TFC/CA/ and others in the south.
Give you an example of why your argument doesn't work. You say you didn't have the numbers or any way to fight all these fronts. Well how is it that BoB was able to do it? Why is it that we were able to come and help FIX when your northern allies were trying to take the stations there, but yet on the same day after killing your friends, we were able to bring majority of our fleet up to Y-2ANO and completely annihilate your dread fleet laying seige to our POS's?
You guys had the same type of ships, you had a Titan and not to mention the numbers. And let us not forget the attempt by the goonies to come into the system to create lag and were instead met with Orange Species DD.
You had the same hardware. You had more numbers. But yet you failed.
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MIGHTYDWC
Gallente Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.21 16:37:00 -
[47]
Originally by: 3xcit3 read seelens last battle report..
Why can't people spell Seleene's name right? Everytime someone spells Seleene's name wrong, kittens are made to scrap corpses off the capitals. Many kittens die in the process. Please think of the kittens.
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.21 16:42:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Pilk on 21/05/2007 16:43:18 Edit: spelling
Originally by: DeadDuck To all the ones laughing at the Northern NAPS just to say that I'm proud of all the true friends we have up here. We are not the ones saying that "we are uber PVP'ers", "we are the best" , blah, blah, blah, blah.... but when the moment of truth comes .... NAP NAP NAP...
Carebear out
Let's take this to its logical conclusion.
If I boast I am an "uber PvP'er", then I must be willing to single-handedly take on every other pilot in Eve, simultaneously?
Sometimes, even if you *ARE* an uber PvP'er, you need help. BoB hired MC, and asked its existing residents to help with the war effort--AXE, Coreli, Xelas, Aftermath, etc., etc.. You seriously propose to compare that with D2 NAP'ing people who they've never even met, giggling each time at the thought of their "train" growing longer?
The reality is, D2 saw non-aggression pacts as a means to meta-blob against BoB--that is, to blob in several regions simultaneously, not just blob in a single system with a single fleet. The only alliance I can think of offhand that BoB NAP'd in response to Eve War I was MC. Can you say the same about yourself?
--P
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e3joker
Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.21 16:47:00 -
[49]
most fun I have ever had in this game was defending fountain. Targets were plentiful, smack was minimal, and it was an everyday thing.
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larietta
production management team
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Posted - 2007.05.21 16:48:00 -
[50]
Originally by: doctorstupid2 Edited by: doctorstupid2 on 21/05/2007 15:57:38
Originally by: 3xcit3
Originally by: Murphy
Originally by: 3xcit3 dont talk about things you dont have any idea of.. no fights? i think we gave mc some of the greatest battles they ever fought! watch our killboard..
Kind of hard to when every battle you lock it down so nobody can view how bad you got spanked.
and you are?
That's Murphy. See how it says Murphy right there by his post?
PS: He's primary.
what he said
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.21 16:49:00 -
[51]
War good.
Peace bad.
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Dashhammer II
Amarr O RLY corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.21 16:49:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Esau Cairn
Originally by: Dashhammer II But behind those people there are players that have only one goal. That goal is to progress themselves, their friends and their corps, in peace.
If we were all at peace, what would we do all day? Mine and rat and run missions? Now, I do some of the aforementioned, but I don't do it as an end in itself. I do it to support my PvP habit. I wouldn't still be playing Eve if it weren't for the PvPing. Conflict makes the world go round.)
Peace is overrated. Of course, that's just my opinion.
There is a difference between pvping and outright war. I mean hell, I can gate camp you, I can pop in with a carrier, web and scram ya. I can knock down your pos while you are asleep. I can chase you out of a region. I can coordinate 200 man 'search and destroy' teams. I can organize ten man inty fleets for the sole purpose of fast hauler ganks. I can camp you into a station. I can probe you out after you've logged. I can wardec people that appear friendly to you. I can take the 0.0 station that you have all your belongings in. I can open a cyno right on top of your ice mining op. And when you ask me why I'm doing it, perhaps I'll tell you 'I'm just having fun.'
But maybe it won't be a good enough answer for you at that point in time. Maybe you'll have taken my actions personally. Or... maybe you won't. Maybe you'll just go hang out in low sec and forget about it.
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.21 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog War good.
Peace bad.
I can get behind that statement.
Originally by: Major Stormer
Quote: What should the MC do?
Make things explode.
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Dashhammer II
Amarr O RLY corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.21 16:57:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: 3xcit3 and btw.. its hard to help your allies when yourself being attacked and you have to defend your space. when we have the time or not the numbers to engange the enemies in our space we move and help our allies..
Well that didn't stop us from helping our allies did it when you guys were roaming all around. That's a sad excuse coming from D2 when you and your allies completely outnumbered BoB+allies at the beginning. You had RAZOR/Morsus Mihi/Sparta/FLA/Triumvirate/IRON/CORE and various others in the north. And that's not even including RAGoon/IAC/TFC/CA/ and others in the south.
Give you an example of why your argument doesn't work. You say you didn't have the numbers or any way to fight all these fronts. Well how is it that BoB was able to do it? Why is it that we were able to come and help FIX when your northern allies were trying to take the stations there, but yet on the same day after killing your friends, we were able to bring majority of our fleet up to Y-2ANO and completely annihilate your dread fleet laying seige to our POS's?
You guys had the same type of ships, you had a Titan and not to mention the numbers. And let us not forget the attempt by the goonies to come into the system to create lag and were instead met with Orange Species DD.
You had the same hardware. You had more numbers. But yet you failed.
Okay, alright, lets all calm down here. Old wounds open all too easilly. This is not the time to point fingers and remind everyone about who said what. This is about the coalition and what they plan on doing. Now I know that some of the coalition want to go out in a blaze of glory and I know that some of them want to try to turn the war around. But yet more of them just want to stop the hate. So let me pose a question-
Who from D2, has the authority, to request a truce? AND- if a truce was requested, how would the member corps of D2 feel about that?
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larietta
production management team
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Posted - 2007.05.21 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dashhammer II
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: 3xcit3 and btw.. its hard to help your allies when yourself being attacked and you have to defend your space. when we have the time or not the numbers to engange the enemies in our space we move and help our allies..
Well that didn't stop us from helping our allies did it when you guys were roaming all around. That's a sad excuse coming from D2 when you and your allies completely outnumbered BoB+allies at the beginning. You had RAZOR/Morsus Mihi/Sparta/FLA/Triumvirate/IRON/CORE and various others in the north. And that's not even including RAGoon/IAC/TFC/CA/ and others in the south.
Give you an example of why your argument doesn't work. You say you didn't have the numbers or any way to fight all these fronts. Well how is it that BoB was able to do it? Why is it that we were able to come and help FIX when your northern allies were trying to take the stations there, but yet on the same day after killing your friends, we were able to bring majority of our fleet up to Y-2ANO and completely annihilate your dread fleet laying seige to our POS's?
You guys had the same type of ships, you had a Titan and not to mention the numbers. And let us not forget the attempt by the goonies to come into the system to create lag and were instead met with Orange Species DD.
You had the same hardware. You had more numbers. But yet you failed.
Okay, alright, lets all calm down here. Old wounds open all too easilly. This is not the time to point fingers and remind everyone about who said what. This is about the coalition and what they plan on doing. Now I know that some of the coalition want to go out in a blaze of glory and I know that some of them want to try to turn the war around. But yet more of them just want to stop the hate. So let me pose a question-
Who from D2, has the authority, to request a truce? AND- if a truce was requested, how would the member corps of D2 feel about that?
is it up to d2
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Steven McWayne
Gallente Decadence. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.21 17:08:00 -
[56]
You can't win against cheaters in any game.
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Frankenstein X
AGA Inc
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Posted - 2007.05.21 17:14:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Steven McWayne You can't win against cheaters in any game.
If there is no words and the truth turned into D2 eyes - here comes again stupid answer like always LOL
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e3joker
Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.21 17:18:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Steven McWayne You can't win against cheaters in any game.
here we go again
its cool its expected
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Erikel
Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.05.21 17:21:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Steven McWayne You can't win against cheaters in any game.
Grab a phone and call someone who cares please.
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Ling Xiao
Prism Project Technologies
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Posted - 2007.05.21 17:23:00 -
[60]
Biggest denial since "we didn't want that anyway!" __________ If you think the game is rigged, why are you still playing? |
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.21 17:24:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Steven McWayne You can't win against cheaters in any game.
/BD sits back with popcorn and waits for thread to explode
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Dashhammer II
Amarr O RLY corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.21 17:26:00 -
[62]
lets keep it civil. The whole 'you're just a bunch of cheaters' thing is real old.
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ispyozs
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Posted - 2007.05.21 17:27:00 -
[63]
t20
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larietta
production management team
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Posted - 2007.05.21 17:30:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Steven McWayne You can't win against cheaters in any game.
/BD sits back with popcorn and waits for thread to explode
/me grabs a hand full ov butter dogs popcorn
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Angeles
Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.05.21 17:43:00 -
[65]
what?
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The Kola
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 18:10:00 -
[66]
"You can't win against cheaters in any game."
wow thats just as embarrassing as the Janus interview itself.
D2: There is a war? Last I saw outer space is always in a state of war. |
Ferocious FeAr
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.21 18:18:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Steven McWayne You can't win against cheaters in any game.
Sore loser.
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ispyozs
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Posted - 2007.05.21 18:20:00 -
[68]
bob never cheat? t20 played fair? those t2 bpos where won fair? they never hack websites?
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Evenfall Phoenix
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.05.21 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Evenfall Phoenix on 21/05/2007 18:23:23
Originally by: Kcel Chim
uhm m8 you really see that this argument is stupid in the face of the universal war you declared on bob right ? Most of BoBs allies were on the coalitions "todo"-list anyways. Fix, Xelas, MC, Rise
You might want to omit MC there. They are a merc coalition remember, that means neutral to any and every war, their only job is to fight for their client.... well that was it until about 30 days into the "war."
To be honest MC is the main reason the north is having issues. They have tons of experience, are amazing pilots, great logistics. The problem is, and you can even see it from Seleen's post, is that they zerg capitals. And right now the only alliance that might be able to match the capital might of MC is RA.... and I have no clue what RA is doing right now (no jokes about plexing, I mean in terms of the war). When Goons and everyone else try to make up for lack of capitals by numbers (valid tactic) we find out we can't, because it causes too sever lag (no tin-foil hattery here either) the one tactic that could work is taken away (for valid reasons). I know plenty of people right now that are working on the skills to get capitals, but it's a ways off, and until a good number of them are set it'll be hard to match MC's power.
If MC had been in the war with LV it wouldn'tve ended so fast. Their capitals would have matched RA and the Goons, well the Goons would still do what they do best, swarm up.
RISE puts up a great fight, they definitly know what they are doing. Fix did what they could, but the fact that Fix didn't lose their space isn't so much attributed to "BoB would always come and support us and therefore we would win," after all BoB came and supported Gun (with Fix) and they lost quite a bit. It should be more attributed to the Coalition (from my perspective) not really wanting to take Fix space (I mean who wants to take Dark Shikari's space, everyone loves DS ) kidding aside that's mostly why the Gun system went back into BoB's hands. I'm not even going to talk about Xelas, I have very little respect for them, they are probable the only BoB alliance that I don't respect. But hey, everyone has a right to their own views.
D2 is fighting, as is MM and other northern alliances. I haven't really heard much from the south, aside from BoB fighting Goons in 9-9 (it was 9-9 right?).
Edit: Gah the quote thing screwed up on me. Oh and Chrony fix you signerature. Your grammar mistakes are absolutly horrible... unless that was your intent... of course then you wouldn't be like the other BoB sigs where at least their spelling is professional.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 18:23:00 -
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/me yawns
I see nothing wrong with that interview tbh. It's not an exit strategy, D2 has had a different exit strategy from the beginning.
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Maltroc
Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.05.21 18:58:00 -
[71]
Your all funny ! You play a game .Right ?
Dont think so if i read this
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Invidious Malinigvious
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 18:59:00 -
[72]
I hope after the rest of the 'north' is ruined the good corps will form a powerful alliance, learn from their mistakes and provide us a real challege this time.
I doubt it will happen but I can hope can't I.
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Maltroc
Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.05.21 19:02:00 -
[73]
Dream on
BoB is to powerfull. Nobody want to play with you You won EvE.
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ishkabibble
Gallente AJAX Puppy Grinding Company
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Posted - 2007.05.21 19:26:00 -
[74]
Edited by: ishkabibble on 21/05/2007 19:27:13
Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix
Rabble Rabble
RISE puts up a great fight, they definitly know what they are doing. Fix did what they could, but the fact that Fix didn't lose their space isn't so much attributed to "BoB would always come and support us and therefore we would win," after all BoB came and supported Gun (with Fix) and they lost quite a bit. It should be more attributed to the Coalition (from my perspective) not really wanting to take Fix space (I mean who wants to take Dark Shikari's space, everyone loves DS ) kidding aside that's mostly why the Gun system went back into BoB's hands. I'm not even going to talk about Xelas, I have very little respect for them, they are probable the only BoB alliance that I don't respect. But hey, everyone has a right to their own views.
O RLY???
Northern Coalition Mission Objective from December:
1) Wear down FIX and Xelas, deplete them of resources 2) Kick FIX out of Querious and Xelas out of Fountain by outblobbing them 3) Control Fountain and Querious as beachhead's for a forward assault on Delve
Mission Objective: Failure
Sorry dude your arguement holds no water, and please stop backpeddling on what your objectives were from the beginning
Edit: Cause im iletirate
You can't fix "Stupid" - Comedian Ron White |
Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 19:30:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Blacklight on 21/05/2007 19:28:45
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Buxaroo
But tbh, I didn't expect the north to fold up so quickly. From what I have heard only FLA have put up a fight and they didn't seem to get much support from their "allies" D2. D2 have proved to be the biggest paper tiger that has ever been seen in New Eden.
Yeah we are weak remember ... thats why we have 100 hostile capitals and super capitals up here, and guess what, none of those is from BOB ...
"Bring it" you said so many times times months ago... well we went down there. But the supposed standings reset, the "BOB vs everyone" transformed in NAP everyone to kill the "northern carebears"... well for carebears we are giving your friends a hell of a fight trust me. If you dont believe me ask MC or your friends, because they know what I'm talking about. You dont.
It's ok to admit that you got outmanouvered politically as well as strategically and tactically you know, in fact you might find it quite cathartic.
I spent an hour or so going through a lot of the old threads from the start of the war lastnight doing some research for a new blog entry and the change in the tone and content of the messages coming out of the coalition then compared to now is amusing to say the least.
The fact that you lot wouldn't bring it until we hung our arses out by announcing we'd take on RA/Goons/TCF/KOS/UNL/assorted other south eastern alliances but are now whining about being ganged up on speaks volumes.
The fact that you were all so excited about your grand crusade, 'Fountain Terror Campaign', 'see you in NOL soon' propaganda and surprise sex train - yet now talk about survival and fighting hard against the odds speaks volumes.
The fact that you all belittled so much the very 'pets', 'slaves' and 'unworthies' who are now taking your stations speaks volumes.
We were running the numbers from the start of this war again today just out of curiosity and it came to about 27,000 vs 13,000 accounts at it's peak (mid-March) in your favour. The fact that the numbers are beginning to swing to our favour now (although they still have a long way to go) is entirely because of the coalition leadership's collective incompetence at fighting a war on this scale. You're the ones who have hung your allies out to dry and allowed us to pick them off one at a time, you're the ones who have been so uncoordinated that people such as TRI got off the train at the next station frustrated with it's lack of progress and you're the ones who failed to develop and implement a strategy to get us onto the back foot and keep us there.
Considering some of the chestbeating coming out of the north about how strong they were before the war your collapse as a coordinated coalition and your own alliance being proved to be the single largest paper tiger in Eve's political history is both extremely ironic and superbly entertaining.
You'll go down bitter and whining though rather than standing up and saying "we got outplayed, well done", as most alliances do when they perish - except FLA, who I have to say exited rather gracefully and earnt themselves a lot of respect. When you are sat in Torrinos making up more excuses, blaming everyone but yourselves and making bitter plans for revenge... just remember, you had a two to one numbers advantage and blew it because of your own incompetence.
So you can play the "omg you NAP'd as many people as we did" card until you are blue in the face DeadDuck, the arguement was nonsense, is nonsense now and will still be nonsense when you're back in empire wondering where your alliance went.
Edit: On topic, there will be no peace, some people have a large slice of their own hubris to be rammed down their throats before we are done.
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios
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Posted - 2007.05.21 19:33:00 -
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Comedy gold ,i laugh hard reading the answers ,janus is now my personal hero.
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Grimster
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.21 19:37:00 -
[77]
God I love it when Blacklight posts sober.
<3 Buddy
Blog at: The Jammy Blog |
Evelgrivion
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.21 19:51:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Blacklight Stuff
Blacklight won this thread.
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Galavet
Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 19:53:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Grimster God I love it when Blacklight posts sober.
<3 Buddy
His recent mining duties have left him with nothing but time to prepare such wonderful post.
o/ Grim! Nice sig btw.
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larietta
production management team
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Posted - 2007.05.21 19:56:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Grimster God I love it when Blacklight posts sober.
<3 Buddy
blacklight wins the i posted to this topic sober
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Herculite
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:22:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Grimster God I love it when Blacklight posts sober.
<3 Buddy
But hes a lot more fun when hes drunk
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Aro Tolan
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:29:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Invidious Malinigvious I hope after the rest of the 'north' is ruined the good corps will form a powerful alliance, learn from their mistakes and provide us a real challege this time.
I doubt it will happen but I can hope can't I.
So if people don't provide you with a challenge what will you do? =P ------
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:29:00 -
[83]
Heh, Blacklights post is quite special.
---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
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Crux Australis
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:34:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Aro Tolan
Originally by: Invidious Malinigvious I hope after the rest of the 'north' is ruined the good corps will form a powerful alliance, learn from their mistakes and provide us a real challege this time.
I doubt it will happen but I can hope can't I.
So if people don't provide you with a challenge what will you do? =P
POTBS has been reported to be a sucky game so I really dunno...
Originally by: Tuxford Sure play gallente and caldari if you like, just don't be upset when I waste your ass in a hurricane.
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Ria Sotori
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:36:00 -
[85]
Bah, I had this super all encompassiong response post ready to go and Blacklight had to wake up sober for once
Instead all I can do is quote Starship Troopers..... "This one is for the species boys and girls."
Just remember when your down in empire mission running for a living the braggarts and idiots you let loose on the forums proclaiming the death of all things Bob and any who would dare stand with them against your Morality Coalition.
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
The Beatnuts
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Heh, Blacklights post is quite special.
Tbh I don't even know where he finds the courage/stupidity to still answer that bullcrap.
/omee
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Evenfall Phoenix
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:45:00 -
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Edited by: Evenfall Phoenix on 21/05/2007 20:45:18
Originally by: Blacklight Edited by: Blacklight on 21/05/2007 19:28:45 The fact that you were all so excited about your grand crusade, 'Fountain Terror Campaign', 'see you in NOL soon' propaganda and surprise sex train - yet now talk about survival and fighting hard against the odds speaks volumes.
The fact that you all belittled so much the very 'pets', 'slaves' and 'unworthies' who are now taking your stations speaks volumes.
#1 and how many times does this come up. The train was always in reference to Goonswarm. They came up with it. The North might have taken part in train excersizes (wow that sounds dirty) but it was all Goons. Some people in the north may have played along with it, but everyone can agree each side has had it's bandwagoners.
#2 The majority of work being done by your side in the north is done by MC. Don't fool yourselves to think otherwise. MC provides the cap ships, the logistics, and the experience, the other alliances provide some support ships, I'm not belittling them, support is always needed. But I think MC would be doing the same job just as fast without all those alliances. MC uproots wherever they go, and you guys sit on your high thrones and deposit friendly alliances. I have much respect for MC, they are an amazing group of people and they do their job well, it's a shame they aren't really a merc corp anymore persay, plus they'd probably get more fights if they were aimed at BoB, but that's all arbitrary.
#3 Yes I know, the coalition does it too, lets lump everyone together and because one person says one thing that person must then be the voice for all, but for you to go on and say all the coalition has done is whine shows utter ignorance. These forums are full of bs, and people that love to spew it. Hell you BoB guys nearly take the cake in terms of arrogance and self-righteousness when it comes to forum presence, yet I know there are many in your alliance that aren't the same way as you self-glorified offenders. There are those of use that when we fight we put our hearts into it, and that goes universally regardless of what side you are on, so for you or anyone else to lump those people in with the whiners is a disservice to everyone else.
#4 Lets not forget all the cheastbeating LV did on the forums, and how fast they fell. For you to say the cheastbeating + loosing has all come from one side also shows an ignorance on your part.
#5 Personal Opinion, you're right (look, I'm agreeing with a BoB something must be wrong right? ) I would have liked to see much more cohesivness from the north. Yes there was some, but not to the level their needed to be. Not saying it's over, things can change very fast.
#6 Yeah we might have an advantage in terms of raw numbers... however you fail to calculate how many of those numbers are actually PvPers, how many of them are online just running logistics, how many of them log on just to chat with corp mates, the list goes on. It might seem very arbitrary to argue, because it goes both ways, but playing the numbers game with so little information is a fools way to think.
This is not a whine post, so don't even attempt to try that crap. I'd hate to think of the day when a simple arguement can't be had without the cries of "whiner" .... oh wait.... this is CAOD. In short, generalization is bad mmk?
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The Beatnuts
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:07:00 -
[88]
Does BOB/AAA exploits (im saying bob/aaa because all my alts are only in those two sucky alliances)
answer is : OF COURSE NOT
/omee
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Manfred Sideous
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:21:00 -
[89]
WOW Blacklight WOW ...History Making Post there!!
To all involved despite all the propaganda despite all the he said she said rabble rable in each and every one of you lies the truth of this situation. Ignore it twist it or whatever you need to do to make yourself feel better the truth still remains.
So far everyone that has been against BOB so far has got served.
Bonus Advice = The turth will set you free!
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Indiano Arko
Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:33:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix
#2 The majority of work being done by your side in the north is done by MC. Don't fool yourselves to think otherwise. MC provides the cap ships, the logistics, and the experience, the other alliances provide some support ships, I'm not belittling them, support is always needed.
This is exactly explains main Coalition problem in this war: you guys only think about yourself as separate entities. You do not work as a unit. It's the main reason why you are getting steamrolled by the Alliance in the North. In your body what is more important - your brain or your heart? Let's say your legs aint important at all because without your brain they wouldn't be able to do a damn thing. Do you see my point?
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Mahrin Skel
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:57:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix Edited by: Evenfall Phoenix on 21/05/2007 19:03:55 Fix did what they could, but the fact that Fix didn't lose their space isn't so much attributed to "BoB would always come and support us and therefore we would win," after all BoB came and supported Gun (with Fix) and they lost quite a bit. It should be more attributed to the Coalition (from my perspective) not really wanting to take Fix space (I mean who wants to take Dark Shikari's space, everyone loves DS ) kidding aside that's mostly why the Gun system went back into BoB's hands.
So, 6 alliances, 30-60 dreadnoughts per assault, week after week of attacks and 9CG station ping-pong, and you are now saying "we really didn't want that region anyway"?
The "BoB pets must die" rhetoric was flying thick and heavy all through that month. Yes, we "did what we could", stood off a force 3-5 times our size for weeks before the BoB fleet was able to detach from Fountain and come lay some smackdown. No, we never met you head on, against those numbers it would have been stupid. We sniped, we fighter-bombed, we harrassed, we held the freaking line against the force that had taken ISS down over a weekend. That was our job.
Now we're helping MC deliver payback. What, you thought you could come stomping into our house, full of smacktalk about "BoB pets", "see you in Empire", make jokes about how lame we were, and then when it didn't work out the way you planned you could call "bygones" and walk away nonchalantly, like nothing ever happened? No, it doesn't work like that. It's not over when the bully realizes he's losing.
--Dave
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Zembla
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.21 22:02:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Fred0 Have a look at the questions. They are a joke and very stacked.
Just being curious here, but what would non-stacked questions look like? The interviewer posed some valid and very actual questions. There are many ways to go about answering that. The interviewer clearly wanted to ask some big questions, and from what's been going on in the forums and pretty much everywhere around the game, I'm pretty convinced the essence of the questions would still be the same. If the interviewer had reformulated the questions you would've just blamed him to be sarcastic :)
<Z>
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.05.21 22:58:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Zembla
Originally by: Fred0 Have a look at the questions. They are a joke and very stacked.
Just being curious here, but what would non-stacked questions look like? The interviewer posed some valid and very actual questions. There are many ways to go about answering that. The interviewer clearly wanted to ask some big questions, and from what's been going on in the forums and pretty much everywhere around the game, I'm pretty convinced the essence of the questions would still be the same. If the interviewer had reformulated the questions you would've just blamed him to be sarcastic :)
<Z>
I want to know why *any* news about D2's thoughts is supposed to be important and splattered across my screen for a while whenever I come on. Or why they were only questioned about all their problems. And why do people still care about claims to NPC regions?
I want to see Gurista's respond to Tri's claim to Venal if D2 is being asked to respond to it. I mean...that would be a cool event. Maybe it will even be a feature of the factional warfare. Come on NPC's, fight back! =D ---
Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE.
Put in space whales!
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DeadDuck
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.21 23:16:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Blacklight
Stuff
DonĘt get me wrong; something went very wrong in our side when we had all the odds to beat you. We had the numbers, the ships, everything... and in the end we were lacking in the most important, expertise, not expertise in the way of "pvp experience" but expertise in conduct a large scale war, and their political aspects, like you writhe...and about 3-4 months later here I am fighting in Branch !!!
If we reached this situation it wasnĘt because of game mechanics, cheating tactics and all that crap that usually alts post. We were victims of our own errors and they were a lot. You pointed out some of them and there were more believe me. TBH, and now I'm talking in a personal view, I underestimated the will to fight of your allies, I underestimated how fast people can turn their political colours, in exchange of something, I underestimated MC power block, only to name a few flaws.
I just want to enforce that in the end donĘt call us "paper tiger" when you ordered 80 capitals to attack D2. The simple deployment of such an amount of forces just shows what BOB leadership thinks about the "paper tiger theory".
If we are beaten in the end, I will not be bitter believe me, I'm making everything under my power so the final result is different, a lot of people cannot say the same. . Until I have something to fight for I will be here fighting for the North with all the mistakes and lack of abilities that you pointed. Someone once wrote, "Right or wrong, is my country" ... I will say right or wrong is my alliance.
I just ask you guys one thing, if we end going down donĘt take all the credits. The big job was made by alliances such has MC, AXE, YW, Aftermath, Fatal, FIX, those are the real winners. Because since we left Fountain we only saw 2 BOB pilots up here.
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Johnny Santos
Beginning of the End
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Posted - 2007.05.21 23:27:00 -
[95]
Someone said 'b0b is able to support there "slaves" all the time except with the LV incident':
It seems with b0b being the powerhouse, and the "slaves" being the front line. b0b comes in and plugs the gap or pushes/exploits a weak point in the front.
It doesnt seem that the north has that same option.
Ive hated ev0l forever, since the friendly fire incident in fa, and hate them even more cause they exposed that FA was 5% pvpers and 95% pansy carebears when they become b0b.
From an insider looking out and a outsider looking in, you need to adapt better to beat b0bby. Its not easy, but it isnt impossible. Molle has all his moves mapped out and forces you to respond. Stop responding and make your own moves. Dont friggin share the info with anyone.
... stops ranting cause it aint gonna do any good.
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Xeliya
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.21 23:28:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Xeliya on 21/05/2007 23:28:03
Originally by: DeadDuck DonĘt get me wrong; something went very wrong in our side when we had all the odds to beat you. We had the numbers, the ships, everything... and in the end we were lacking in the most important, expertise, not expertise in the way of "pvp experience" but expertise in conduct a large scale war, and their political aspects, like you writhe...and about 3-4 months later here I am fighting in Branch !!!
If we reached this situation it wasnĘt because of game mechanics, cheating tactics and all that crap that usually alts post. We were victims of our own errors and they were a lot. You pointed out some of them and there were more believe me. TBH, and now I'm talking in a personal view, I underestimated the will to fight of your allies, I underestimated how fast people can turn their political colours, in exchange of something, I underestimated MC power block, only to name a few flaws.
I just want to enforce that in the end donĘt call us "paper tiger" when you ordered 80 capitals to attack D2. The simple deployment of such an amount of forces just shows what BOB leadership thinks about the "paper tiger theory".
If we are beaten in the end, I will not be bitter believe me, I'm making everything under my power so the final result is different, a lot of people cannot say the same. . Until I have something to fight for I will be here fighting for the North with all the mistakes and lack of abilities that you pointed. Someone once wrote, "Right or wrong, is my country" ... I will say right or wrong is my alliance.
I just ask you guys one thing, if we end going down donĘt take all the credits. The big job was made by alliances such has MC, AXE, YW, Aftermath, Fatal, FIX, those are the real winners. Because since we left Fountain we only saw 2 BOB pilots up here.
Wow! With posts like that you need to do battle reports so were not stuck with only Sel's (/me runs and hides)
Very good read, nice to see COAD some what coming back to life.
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 23:29:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Rebellion on 21/05/2007 23:27:57 Linking this for unsolicited advice purposes: How to save a failing alliance
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.21 23:46:00 -
[98]
MC might be deploying a lot of capital ships and are providing experience and leadership, but a leader is only as good as his followers execute his plans.
Our allies are just as important to this campaign, be it to deliver more caps, support ships, logistics, POS, FCs, etc. -
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Ascend Alt
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.05.21 23:46:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Ascend Alt on 21/05/2007 23:44:59 lousy defaults.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 23:47:00 -
[100]
Originally by: DeadDuck DonĘt get me wrong; something went very wrong in our side when we had all the odds to beat you. We had the numbers, the ships, everything... and in the end we were lacking in the most important, expertise, not expertise in the way of "pvp experience" but expertise in conduct a large scale war, and their political aspects, like you writhe...and about 3-4 months later here I am fighting in Branch !!!
If we reached this situation it wasnĘt because of game mechanics, cheating tactics and all that crap that usually alts post. We were victims of our own errors and they were a lot. You pointed out some of them and there were more believe me. TBH, and now I'm talking in a personal view, I underestimated the will to fight of your allies, I underestimated how fast people can turn their political colours, in exchange of something, I underestimated MC power block, only to name a few flaws.
I just want to enforce that in the end donĘt call us "paper tiger" when you ordered 80 capitals to attack D2. The simple deployment of such an amount of forces just shows what BOB leadership thinks about the "paper tiger theory".
If we are beaten in the end, I will not be bitter believe me, I'm making everything under my power so the final result is different, a lot of people cannot say the same. . Until I have something to fight for I will be here fighting for the North with all the mistakes and lack of abilities that you pointed. Someone once wrote, "Right or wrong, is my country" ... I will say right or wrong is my alliance.
I just ask you guys one thing, if we end going down donĘt take all the credits. The big job was made by alliances such has MC, AXE, YW, Aftermath, Fatal, FIX, those are the real winners. Because since we left Fountain we only saw 2 BOB pilots up here.
Fair post and very encouraging to read. Good luck with trying to turn the situation around.
Of course we won't be trying to claim credit for it, all the credit goes to the guys and girls who have put the effort in and actually done the fighting.
Blog
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Dawn Princess
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.21 23:48:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Maltroc Dream on
BoB is to powerfull. Nobody want to play with you
You won EvE.
qft.
Unfortunately the game has got to the same state as when I used to play Age of Empires II and my army was about 100 times more powerful than the enemy.
Sure it would be satisfying to send in my legions of teutonic knights to pwn everything for a bit but it soon gets pretty dull to "win" all the time and you would soon reach for the "new game" button.
Unfortunately eve doesnt come with a refresh button, which is why I have literally reached for the "new game" button atm.
Y'all have fun now.
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Droewa
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.22 00:54:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Droewa on 22/05/2007 00:52:59
Originally by: Blacklight
It's ok to admit that you got outmanouvered politically as well as strategically and tactically you know, in fact you might find it quite cathartic.
I spent an hour or so going through a lot of the old threads from the start of the war lastnight doing some research for a new blog entry and the change in the tone and content of the messages coming out of the coalition then compared to now is amusing to say the least.
The fact that you lot wouldn't bring it until we hung our arses out by announcing we'd take on RA/Goons/TCF/KOS/UNL/assorted other south eastern alliances but are now whining about being ganged up on speaks volumes.
The fact that you were all so excited about your grand crusade, 'Fountain Terror Campaign', 'see you in NOL soon' propaganda and surprise sex train - yet now talk about survival and fighting hard against the odds speaks volumes.
The fact that you all belittled so much the very 'pets', 'slaves' and 'unworthies' who are now taking your stations speaks volumes.
We were running the numbers from the start of this war again today just out of curiosity and it came to about 27,000 vs 13,000 accounts at it's peak (mid-March) in your favour. The fact that the numbers are beginning to swing to our favour now (although they still have a long way to go) is entirely because of the coalition leadership's collective incompetence at fighting a war on this scale. You're the ones who have hung your allies out to dry and allowed us to pick them off one at a time, you're the ones who have been so uncoordinated that people such as TRI got off the train at the next station frustrated with it's lack of progress and you're the ones who failed to develop and implement a strategy to get us onto the back foot and keep us there.
Considering some of the chestbeating coming out of the north about how strong they were before the war your collapse as a coordinated coalition and your own alliance being proved to be the single largest paper tiger in Eve's political history is both extremely ironic and superbly entertaining.
You'll go down bitter and whining though rather than standing up and saying "we got outplayed, well done", as most alliances do when they perish - except FLA, who I have to say exited rather gracefully and earnt themselves a lot of respect. When you are sat in Torrinos making up more excuses, blaming everyone but yourselves and making bitter plans for revenge... just remember, you had a two to one numbers advantage and blew it because of your own incompetence.
So you can play the "omg you NAP'd as many people as we did" card until you are blue in the face DeadDuck, the arguement was nonsense, is nonsense now and will still be nonsense when you're back in empire wondering where your alliance went.
Edit: On topic, there will be no peace, some people have a large slice of their own hubris to be rammed down their throats before we are done.
And yet another great post buy BL.
I'd like to take a moment to thank BOB, MC, and all the others allies (Masters of FIX *cough*). while the coalition talks, our allies take action. unlike those half hearted allegiance's form out of jealousy and discontent. Our bonds have been formed by time, honor and respect. We prevail because we are true allies. and none of our fellow brothers in arm shall be left to fight alone. that is what makes us great. If that is what it means to be a pet. than so be it. those that respect us and know us call us comrade. those who call us pets, you only make your self look like fools.
EDIT: spelling
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Zhaine
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.22 01:09:00 -
[103]
Originally by: DeadDuck
DonĘt get me wrong; something went very wrong in our side when we had all the odds to beat you. We had the numbers, the ships, everything... and in the end we were lacking in the most important, expertise, not expertise in the way of "pvp experience" but expertise in conduct a large scale war, and their political aspects, like you writhe...and about 3-4 months later here I am fighting in Branch !!!
If we reached this situation it wasnĘt because of game mechanics, cheating tactics and all that crap that usually alts post. We were victims of our own errors and they were a lot. You pointed out some of them and there were more believe me. TBH, and now I'm talking in a personal view, I underestimated the will to fight of your allies, I underestimated how fast people can turn their political colours, in exchange of something, I underestimated MC power block, only to name a few flaws.
I just want to enforce that in the end donĘt call us "paper tiger" when you ordered 80 capitals to attack D2. The simple deployment of such an amount of forces just shows what BOB leadership thinks about the "paper tiger theory".
If we are beaten in the end, I will not be bitter believe me, I'm making everything under my power so the final result is different, a lot of people cannot say the same. . Until I have something to fight for I will be here fighting for the North with all the mistakes and lack of abilities that you pointed. Someone once wrote, "Right or wrong, is my country" ... I will say right or wrong is my alliance.
I just ask you guys one thing, if we end going down donĘt take all the credits. The big job was made by alliances such has MC, AXE, YW, Aftermath, Fatal, FIX, those are the real winners. Because since we left Fountain we only saw 2 BOB pilots up here.
Props for a very good post. I just came back from exams so I'm glad to see you guys ain't dead just yet and I hope and believe there's still some fight left in ya :p - - - - - - - - - -
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doctorstupid2
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.22 01:15:00 -
[104]
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Blacklight
Stuff
DonĘt get me wrong; something went very wrong in our side when we had all the odds to beat you. We had the numbers, the ships, everything... and in the end we were lacking in the most important, expertise, not expertise in the way of "pvp experience" but expertise in conduct a large scale war, and their political aspects, like you writhe...and about 3-4 months later here I am fighting in Branch !!!
If we reached this situation it wasnĘt because of game mechanics, cheating tactics and all that crap that usually alts post. We were victims of our own errors and they were a lot. You pointed out some of them and there were more believe me. TBH, and now I'm talking in a personal view, I underestimated the will to fight of your allies, I underestimated how fast people can turn their political colours, in exchange of something, I underestimated MC power block, only to name a few flaws.
I just want to enforce that in the end donĘt call us "paper tiger" when you ordered 80 capitals to attack D2. The simple deployment of such an amount of forces just shows what BOB leadership thinks about the "paper tiger theory".
If we are beaten in the end, I will not be bitter believe me, I'm making everything under my power so the final result is different, a lot of people cannot say the same. . Until I have something to fight for I will be here fighting for the North with all the mistakes and lack of abilities that you pointed. Someone once wrote, "Right or wrong, is my country" ... I will say right or wrong is my alliance.
I just ask you guys one thing, if we end going down donĘt take all the credits. The big job was made by alliances such has MC, AXE, YW, Aftermath, Fatal, FIX, those are the real winners. Because since we left Fountain we only saw 2 BOB pilots up here.
/me salutes o7
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Dalanoria
The Aduro Protocol Ground Zeero
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Posted - 2007.05.22 02:00:00 -
[105]
Wait just a minute. Im so confused..
Does BOB have any ships in the North at all ?
And why does MC sit back and let BOB take credit for MC + friends handy work ? cause they lend them a Titan ?
BOB industrialists payed a Merc corp to break the backs of D2 + Friends, which they may be slowly doing.But to take credit ?
GO take away Goon space and come back and brag, that would be something id like to see since they are right at your doorstep...
Does anyone even want to remember LV being crushed by the coalition ?
And btw, my short time living in E2, there were a whole lot of D2 Vagabonds collecting killmails, I was one of them..Didnt see anyone out stopping them..
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.22 02:39:00 -
[106]
Evenfall and DeadDuck, I hope you're coming to FanFest. It's startling to see complete sentences, let alone complete thoughts, in this particular venue. I commend you both for providing particularly-even-keeled and informative implementations of the latter.
Originally by: Dalanoria Wait just a minute. Im so confused..
Does BOB have any ships in the North at all ?
Currently? No. There might be supercapitals on standby, but if so, they've not yet been used.
Originally by: Dalanoria And why does MC sit back and let BOB take credit for MC + friends handy work ? cause they lend them a Titan ?
Because MC is getting paid to make BoB look good, quite literally?
Originally by: Dalanoria BOB industrialists payed a Merc corp to break the backs of D2 + Friends, which they may be slowly doing.But to take credit ?
Thus the "payment" part of things. There's a reason "isk" stands for Inter-Stellar Kredit--you find you're a lot less interested in the "c" form when you get plenty of the "k" variety.
Originally by: Dalanoria Does anyone even want to remember LV being crushed by the coalition ?
Um... sure? Reliving your glory days, I guess? ASCN was crucial to the EC-P8R siege--look how much that helped them later.
Originally by: Dalanoria And btw, my short time living in E2, there were a whole lot of D2 Vagabonds collecting killmails, I was one of them..Didnt see anyone out stopping them..
Read this.
--P
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Mahrin Skel
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.22 03:04:00 -
[107]
BoB hasn't been taking credit for the advances in the north, members of the opposition have been *giving* it to them to belittle the progress there, and now are trying to use the corrections that there are few BoB in the north as a way to create dissent.
Fight. Or run. The time to make nice was before you tried to kill us.
--Dave
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Goofy Goober
Thunder Talons
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Posted - 2007.05.22 03:22:00 -
[108]
RISE puts up a great fight, they definitly know what they are doing. Fix did what they could, but the fact that Fix didn't lose their space isn't so much attributed to "BoB would always come and support us and therefore we would win," after all BoB came and supported Gun (with Fix) and they lost quite a bit. It should be more attributed to the Coalition (from my perspective) not really wanting to take Fix space (I mean who wants to take Dark Shikari's space, everyone loves DS ) kidding aside that's mostly why the Gun system went back into BoB's hands
uhm i have a problem with this statement. You guys attacked FIX space with 5 ALLIANCES AT LEAST 5. And you tell me that you didn't want it? There were times i was at my friends house and watched him playing and he is a FIX member and there were times that RZR, Iron, Morsus Mihi, Triumvirate, Pure, and some others all attacking Querious. There was some chatting in Local about come join a winning side for once. Convo this person to talk about recruitment.
There were times that alot of the FIX guys were assaulting you guys with everything they had in their hangers.
There were talks that they were going to LOSE their station....that they expected it to happen. Everyone had back-up ships in other parts space for when it happened. To continue fighting you guys. And now you come here and say that they were not even on the radar? Yeah they had help from their ALLIES....you know people that fight together when the other people get attacked.
These guys had fighting spirit. These guys are the reason i am playing eve right now. Because they never quit. They never surrendered. I fought alongside my friend in Iraq and these guys proved to me that they had the will power and the backbone to keep fighting. My friend got hit many times in an IED attack and he kept fighting. Because his BROTHERS were fighting. He earned a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart for his bravery. He saved my life that day. I bring that up because Fix and MC and BoB and Xelas and on and on fight like that. They come to their friend's aid. They help each other out.
You sir have shown no back-bone, no loyalty to each other. and I hope...no i PRAY...that in the future the people you have dealings with remember how you acted during this little engagement and remember how you reacted when the going got a little tough....
If this offends you then please kind sir prove me wrong. Show me your mettle and bring the damn fight.
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R0ot
InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 03:59:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Crovan Also, there is no war, no "Fountain Terror Campaign" and no MC in Branch.
lol, i spotted someone with one of those sigs the other day, looked in local and chuckled ------------------------------------------------------------------
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Tomas Ysidro
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.22 04:24:00 -
[110]
I'm rather sure that there hasn't been a single BoB person that's ever claimed that the progress in the north is due to their actions. Not once have they claimed that they've taken any of these regions up here, slaughtered any northern fleets, or destroyed any enemy pos. Sure I might have gotten nuked by Chowdown once, but that doesn't mean BoB is taking the credit for what the allied forces are doing up here.
Honestly I have no idea what oriface you pulled that idea from.
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Invidious Malinigvious
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 04:48:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Invidious Malinigvious on 22/05/2007 04:47:58
Originally by: Dalanoria Wait just a minute. Im so confused..
Does BOB have any ships in the North at all ?
And why does MC sit back and let BOB take credit for MC + friends handy work ? cause they lend them a Titan ?
Please link me to the post(s).
Originally by: Dalanoria
Where is bob taking any credit for it? Can you not read but only post?
BOB industrialists payed a Merc corp to break the backs of D2 + Friends, which they may be slowly doing.But to take credit ?
If you'll notice its the corps and alliances that are bob allies whom have had to deal with a lot of smack talking returning the favor up north. I think bob members just enjoy watching the 'north' melt like an iceburg in hawaii.
Originally by: Dalanoria GO take away Goon space and come back and brag, that would be something id like to see since they are right at your doorstep...
Err are you living under a rock or perhaps a bridge?
Originally by: Dalanoria Does anyone even want to remember LV being crushed by the coalition ?
Where is that coalition now?
Originally by: Dalanoria And btw, my short time living in E2, there were a whole lot of D2 Vagabonds collecting killmails, I was one of them..Didnt see anyone out stopping them..
I think only a few corps like celestial apoc patrol low-sec.
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Cel Estine
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Posted - 2007.05.22 05:25:00 -
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Edited by: Cel Estine on 22/05/2007 05:23:48
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Dalanoria
The Aduro Protocol Ground Zeero
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Posted - 2007.05.22 05:26:00 -
[113]
ok dont get me wrong.....I would not go looking to fight any BOB pilot, ive heared scary storys about the sp requirment just to be considered..
And your right, BOB members arent outright claiming victory over D2, but arent deyning posts stating this..
And when I said go take GOON space, i realy mean go take it, was not meant to be a smart azz comment.
I have this odd fealing a year from now eveyones going to be fealing the GOON presence if they arent taken out sooner then later...We played on the same SWG server and same WOW server, they tend to take games over..
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Sir Bart
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.05.22 07:02:00 -
[114]
That whole QA session was pro-bob and anti-d2. I can't beleive it was even published as part of eve news. Someone needs to check the bias of the interviewer imo.
It's like me interviewing bob and being allowed to ask questions like:
Q: How does it affect moral for your alliance to be universally hated accross the galaxy? Q: What is your responce to not making any progress against goonswarm since your annoucement that you were going to attack them in January? They seem as strong and willing to fight now as they have ever been.
etc, etc, etc.
It's pretty easy to ask questions like this and I think the d2 guy did well in answering such rubbish questions with rubbish answers.
-Bart
CCP: please fix the asteroids in the new regions.
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Algorithm 5
Caldari Hakata Group Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 07:27:00 -
[115]
Originally by: e3joker Edited by: e3joker on 21/05/2007 16:48:01 most fun I have ever had in this game was defending fountain. Targets were plentiful, smack was minimal, and it was an everyday thing.
NAP-Northern Alliance People
"Defending"? Well I guess people could see it like that... I just see it as "being in Fountain".
I mean, Space you can occupy, but can never ever stop people invading if they want to? Simply being in Fountain means defending it, it's just the names of the targets that change. :)
I've never known anything different in 0.0, but I don't think I'd have it any other way.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.22 07:30:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 22/05/2007 07:28:07
Originally by: Rod Blaine
It's not an exit strategy, D2 has had a different exit strategy from the beginning.
I'm still wondering about that one. Care to explain ? My first guess would have been that they had no exit strategy at all, because they thought they'd win this together with RAGoon+friends and their allies in the North.
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.22 07:33:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Sir Bart That whole QA session was pro-bob and anti-d2. I can't beleive it was even published as part of eve news. Someone needs to check the bias of the interviewer imo.
It's like me interviewing bob and being allowed to ask questions like:
Q: How does it affect moral for your alliance to be universally hated accross the galaxy? Q: What is your responce to not making any progress against goonswarm since your annoucement that you were going to attack them in January? They seem as strong and willing to fight now as they have ever been.
etc, etc, etc.
It's pretty easy to ask questions like this and I think the d2 guy did well in answering such rubbish questions with rubbish answers.
-Bart
Come up with a better list of questions and submit them, then. The two questions you asked of BoB, above, have been answered by BoB leadership in the past, and are perfectly valid questions to ask. I suppose the only thing ISD may ask Janus Drake is whether her Leviathan is anywhere near as beautiful as her character's portrait? D2 is hitting a rough patch, we all know it, and the interview was very timely news. The fact that your leader blew off all the questions is really quite damning to your cause.
If you are posting with a main character in a Coalition alliance, and you have a couple "hard questions" to ask AXE, speak up and I'll be happy to answer them, within the bounds of my knowledge and authorization. I think that that applies to most other alliances here, too; honest questions, even tough ones, tend to get answers.
Fair warning before you start asking: Unoriginal questions about Impass will get you pointed to Steel Rat's post from December without further comment.
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DeckardIRL
Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 07:44:00 -
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BoB were the Generals in the Northern Conflict and did what the Coalition were unable to- deploy their non-BoB assets and resources effectively while at the same time deploying their own forces in the South.
LV were strategically in a bad position with hostile regions surrounding them... impossible to defend... (I wonder where they are going to be moving to?) Blacklight even stated that there was a period that BoB were on the backfoot- we all knew it, it was a slightly nervous period but instead of pushing forward all we saw was people patting themselves on the back, and then the tide turned.
DeadDuck and Cmd Woodlouse have generally been the only D2 people to make consistently reasonable posts...
Deck _____________________________________________ Xelas Fleet Admiral
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Bombcrater
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 07:52:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Goofy Goober uhm i have a problem with this statement. You guys attacked FIX space with 5 ALLIANCES AT LEAST 5. And you tell me that you didn't want it?
I'm just a RZR grunt so I can't speak for any other alliances, or say what what thoughts were in the minds of coalition leadership - but I can say, with 100% honesty, that we were told right from the start that the Querious campaign was a diversion. The mission was to pull as many enemy forces as possible - particularly BoB - away from other, more important, fronts.
We - the mid-size northern alliances - didn't fail. We stuck it out for what I think is a very creditable length of time against an enemy that had us out-gunned in terms of capitals and super-capitals to an almost hilarious extent. But the cavalry we were waiting for never arrived...
As for why the coalition in general didn't live up to expectations, well DeadDuck has it pretty much nailed. I will add that I think we suffered very badly from a lack of a single entity capable of imposing leadership - saying "this is what we're going to do" and making it stick.
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Zeros Omega
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 08:01:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Dashhammer II Now we just rewrite history and try to convince everyone that "We all wanted to live in empire. I don't know what this war thing is that you speak of."
The spoils of war go to the victors. Hence, History is written by the victors. --- History is written on the sands of Arrakis. A chapter has ended, swept away by the whirlwind. One door has closed, but another has opened. And on the other side... our future... |
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.22 08:29:00 -
[121]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 22/05/2007 08:29:16
Originally by: DeckardIRL
LV were strategically in a bad position with hostile regions surrounding them... impossible to defend... (I wonder where they are going to be moving to?)
Disbanded ? Don't see them in the alliance ranking anymore. Everyone going their own way. Shinra pilots joined BoB, M.Corp is now in Deklein, good luck there, and QUAM has joined Anarchy Empire, don't know about Finfleet, Galactic Empire, Juba etc. But if RAGoon loses territory, someone is needed to move in, someone who is able to defend there, because it's a bit far away from BoB's home and their western allies.
*edit* western ofc.
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Redbad
Minmatar Be Inspired Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.22 08:33:00 -
[122]
To the OP: Denial is always wrong, wavering politics are never strengthening your postition, I agree, but it is always difficult to take the first step in diplomacy. Most often the first steps are therefore done by third parties to clear a better path to talks (And with third parties I don't mean rambling alts).
But alas, if you say you are not on official business then your warning will no doubtly be dismissed as propaganda instead as an invitation to actual talks.
RB
P.S. I represent myself, always have done that, always will do that.
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CorpShop Open
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 09:03:00 -
[123]
Edited by: CorpShop Open on 22/05/2007 09:04:26 LETS JUST PEW PEW....
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.22 09:11:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Lisento Slaven
I want to know why *any* news about D2's thoughts is supposed to be important and splattered across my screen for a while whenever I come on. Or why they were only questioned about all their problems. And why do people still care about claims to NPC regions?
I want to see Gurista's respond to Tri's claim to Venal if D2 is being asked to respond to it. I mean...that would be a cool event. Maybe it will even be a feature of the factional warfare. Come on NPC's, fight back! =D
You need to remember we "claimed" Venal ONLY because it was "claimed" by D2 before. It started as a corp joke when we moved into Venal and saw absolutely zero D2 pilots. Yet on maps it was marked as D2 space. In short: if you don't like claiming NPC regions blame D2 not TRI.
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papaPadla
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 09:12:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Ikarushka stage one: denial... Linkage
Neah... first stage was a loooong time ago... now they are hitting the barganing stage -------------------------------------
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Ewa Quillam
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 09:51:00 -
[126]
Originally by: ArchenTheGreat
Originally by: Lisento Slaven
I want to know why *any* news about D2's thoughts is supposed to be important and splattered across my screen for a while whenever I come on. Or why they were only questioned about all their problems. And why do people still care about claims to NPC regions?
I want to see Gurista's respond to Tri's claim to Venal if D2 is being asked to respond to it. I mean...that would be a cool event. Maybe it will even be a feature of the factional warfare. Come on NPC's, fight back! =D
You need to remember we "claimed" Venal ONLY because it was "claimed" by D2 before. It started as a corp joke when we moved into Venal and saw absolutely zero D2 pilots. Yet on maps it was marked as D2 space. In short: if you don't like claiming NPC regions blame D2 not TRI.
I don't know the circumstances of how the map was made or how the story started, but nowadays I think the influence map is much better, but of course, everyone is entitled to have his opinions and beliefs.
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.22 10:03:00 -
[127]
Heh these threads remind me of the ASCB/BoB "war", soon as you admit you suck they will praise you to the high heavens for your "honesty"
TBH its very easy when you are the top dog(s) to just sit around pointing out everyone elses failings, as these threads never fail to show.
Anyway, I am off to kill some more orcs, another couple of levels and I get to ride my own horse. w00t.
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Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.05.22 12:37:00 -
[128]
O.k gave a clean up of the thread, removed the usual dosage of "u cheat" type posts and cleaned a few of the more "colourfull" posts.
let try and keep this clean and on topic.
*ding* *ding* round 2...
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Agnst
Amarr Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.05.22 13:15:00 -
[129]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Zeros Omega
A general reply to the BoB allies stuff: Everyone. I mean everyone, allied with BoB knew what their job was they were told this. Meatshield In return we will provide full support. Every Dread, every Carrier, every Titan, every ship we can find with a pilot. Their job was to hold on tight. And they did an expert job at it, every last one.
Excuse me?
What the hell kind of rubbish are you writing?
The only "meatshield" anywhere near this game is you. So get back to pewpew'ing and stop talking about stuff that you obviously have no clue about.
Newbs coming into rkk talking like they mean something make me cry.
dbp
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doctorstupid2
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.22 13:39:00 -
[130]
Nothin wrong with being a meatshield, keeps ya on the front line where the fun is
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Dashhammer II
Amarr O RLY corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.22 13:39:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc O.k gave a clean up of the thread, removed the usual dosage of "u cheat" type posts and cleaned a few of the more "colourfull" posts.
let try and keep this clean and on topic.
*ding* *ding* round 2...
Indeed.
I'm sure we can talk all day long about what happened, when and why but some of us were there, we saw it and we have a good working knowledge of history and current events. So before we get sidetracked yet again on 'How the fountain campaign was faught' and 'which tactics won the day' I'd like to suggest we return to the topic which is 'What happens now?'
As I mentioned previously I had a long running thread about a month or two ago asking, no pleading with the coalition to explain why they were waging all out war with the south. The answer which was given time and time and time again by numerous members that they needed a reason to 'pew pew' and that 'blowing stuff up was fun'.
Hey, I can relate. However, is it still fun? IS the coalition still enjoying themselves? I started this thread with a plea to D2 to reconsider their priorities and as Blacklight pointed out...
"Edit: On topic, there will be no peace, some people have a large slice of their own hubris to be rammed down their throats before we are done."
Bob is a bit upset. Now this is a problem in which many people in the south have an easy solution for. I am proposing an alternative, not to bob and not to anyone in the south. I am proposing to D2 that they rethink their current path because 'Lets just pretend like we're not in a state of collapse' might not be the best course of action for the coalition.
I've received convos today assuring me that Bob would not accept any request for a truce, but it's an easy thing for Bob to say as no request has ever been made nor does one seem likely.
Let me further state that if the coalition continues on it's path to annihilation despite the fact that it has exhuasted none of it's other options. I will have no sympathy for the end result.
How can I? How can I... a Bob zealot and G hater, put aside my differences and reach out to all of you only to be told 'No no, thats okay, we'll just go on ahead and die.' Honestly guys, it doesn't have to be like that. Either turn this war to your favor or seek to preserve what you have left, but setting yourselves on fire will not spite anyone but the people that NAPed up to aid you.
Think about that.
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Iasius
Warp Angels
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Posted - 2007.05.22 13:46:00 -
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The end of an alliance is ten thousand years of misery, dead will walk the earth and wearing white jeans will come back in fashion.
.. Not at all its part of evolution in eve. I fought in LV to the end and now have gone my own way. I cherish my memories of the victories and losses. I have changed gear and take my experience with me.
I am quite sympathetic to some of the coalition. But fancy words and denial is a zero sum game. Take it on the chin. ................................................ I post with my main, so should you. Alt's are hecklers |
Dashhammer II
Amarr O RLY corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.22 14:48:00 -
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I'm actually not sympathetic to them. But I feel guilty. I shouldn't, but I do. A few members of prime orbital systems told me in local today that I shouldn't feel guilty, that they enjoy being hunted. I guess that is some consolation. Maybe I've been looking at this the wrong way.
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.22 15:04:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 22/05/2007 15:06:55
Originally by: Dashhammer II I'm actually not sympathetic to them. But I feel guilty. I shouldn't, but I do. A few members of prime orbital systems told me in local today that I shouldn't feel guilty, that they enjoy being hunted. I guess that is some consolation. Maybe I've been looking at this the wrong way.
Whenever you feel that way, remember the double cross by D2, after Trust sold the Cassini station to ISS for tens of billion. Or Jacob the Goon's treachery. Remember RA's plex farming and and use of Skiffs. Remember the cowardice of the D2 Mothership pilots in C4C. Remember FLA's solo defence of their stations, and the ignominious 'we didn't want those stations anyway' from IRON. Remember the polarization, the abuse and the ****train insults, the months of forum posts and how they have turned.
Then show no mercy - send them all back to Jita or or their clone vat or WoW, while more worthy alliances and pilots take their place in the 0.0 stations they vacate.
Myn
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AvanCade
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 15:10:00 -
[135]
There will never be peace, only war and death.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.22 15:29:00 -
[136]
EVE without explosions would make me a sad panda.
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Buxaroo
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:11:00 -
[137]
Edited by: Buxaroo on 22/05/2007 16:10:29
Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 22/05/2007 15:06:55
Originally by: Dashhammer II I'm actually not sympathetic to them. But I feel guilty. I shouldn't, but I do. A few members of prime orbital systems told me in local today that I shouldn't feel guilty, that they enjoy being hunted. I guess that is some consolation. Maybe I've been looking at this the wrong way.
Whenever you feel that way, remember the double cross by D2, after Trust sold the Cassini station to ISS for tens of billion. Or Jacob the Goon's treachery. Remember RA's plex farming and and use of Skiffs. Remember the cowardice of the D2 Mothership pilots in C4C. Remember FLA's solo defence of their stations, and the ignominious 'we didn't want those stations anyway' from IRON. Remember the polarization, the abuse and the ****train insults, the months of forum posts and how they have turned.
Then show no mercy - send them all back to Jita or or their clone vat or WoW, while more worthy alliances and pilots take their place in the 0.0 stations they vacate.
Myn
Well put.
But off-topic: Ra and plexes and Skiffs? Was there some kind of exploit involving skiffs? RA and plexes go together like bread and butter I know but where do skiffs fit in?
Sorry to pseudo-derail thread
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larietta
production management team
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: doctorstupid2 Nothin wrong with being a meatshield, keeps ya on the front line where the fun is
god ive changed my mind dont shoot murphy shoot doc he loves it
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0August0
Gallente Gooch Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:39:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Blacklight ...because of the coalition leadership's collective incompetence.
I keep seeing this in BoB and Bob pet posts, but I don't believe one has ever existed. AFAIK the "coalition" has always been a bunch of separate alliances who were normally red to each other. They put that aside temporarily to fight you guys and would be going back to being red to each other as soon as it was over.
That is not the same thing as a unified command structure ala a WW2 SHAEF. There never was an "Eisenhower" to coordinate the efforts of the various would be Pattons and Montgomerys out there and that, imo, is why you guys are winning. . . . Regards, August |
Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:53:00 -
[140]
Originally by: 0August0
Originally by: Blacklight ...because of the coalition leadership's collective incompetence.
I keep seeing this in BoB and Bob pet posts, but I don't believe one has ever existed. AFAIK the "coalition" has always been a bunch of separate alliances who were normally red to each other.
Which is ultimately why they lost. No overall command and control. It's not rocket science, more common sense, but they had their chance and failed to capitalise on it (as you rightly highlight).
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:55:00 -
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Quote: imo, is why you guys are winning.
Then get it fixed ffs. Things would be sooooo much more fun and involving if the coalition would coordinate. Look at poor old Intrepid Crossing, who not only got zero support from the rest of the coalition while we beat them into submission, but also had the pleasure of getting ganked by AAA every day in the process. Nobody else is going to stop paying rent and join the coalition with that example.
Bring on the Goon Messiah to unite the various groups so we can have proper totalwar again like it was before :)
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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 17:08:00 -
[142]
Wait. WasnĘt Aneu that was a center piece of organizing the coalition? Because that would explain everything.
The truth will set you free
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Kramer Verone
Amarr TeamMX
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Posted - 2007.05.22 17:14:00 -
[143]
The truth doesn't matter. The victor will dictate the truth, and that is as it should be.
We consider our forgetfulness a weakness, but in truth, it is one of our greatest strengths. Without it, we wouldn't be able to move on and evolve.
If the Alliance wins... it will be blasphemous to associate the word cheat to BOB. MC will move out of BOB space and reclaim their neutrality and respect. FIX and Xelas will be known as very capable and resilient alliances that fought back gloriously and defeated their aggressors. LV never died, they simple moved to a better region. Aftermath and Rise are unexpected new talents that show promise of becoming powerblocks in their respective quadrants of the galaxy.
As for the Northern Coalition... someone best coined D2 as the greatest "paper tiger" in eve history. Evoke, the ship jumpers, will be mocked as no skill gate campers and low-sec belt hunters. The rest of the northern alliances will be known as incapable forum whiners and chestbeaters that just couldn't adapt to the changing face of warfare.
Quote: Whether you seek redemption or new glory, you must realize there is no place for morality in war.
Therefore, be wise and fight like you had none, and reclaim it in victory.
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DeadWeight
Minmatar Botox Bandits
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Posted - 2007.05.22 17:30:00 -
[144]
This is an alt because I don't feel comfortable posting with my main on this issue. Suffice it to say I am one of the alleged pets in Branch now.
I don't think its correct to say that D2 did nothing for FLA and its allies in Pure Blind and Fade. They threw billions in POS's and structures at the problem, and it was the persistence of the allies that burned through those. They did make the odd attempt to destroy cap fleets but failed. I wish D2 fought with greater tenacity in the battles that count (at POS's coming out of reinforced) instead of at gate camps and such.
Its easy to flame this person or that or point to a killboard, but lets be honest for a moment. If you have a tower coming out of reinforced and you bring sufficient forces to gaurd carriers while theyn recharge it, chances are you wont get a fight. People in EvE (BoB & allies included) never engage when there is any margin of uncertainty. So you face a choice between losing a POS and complete boredom, it really is a catch 22. The former will cost you isk and stations, and the latter will cost you a far more important resource: people.
I've said it before and said it again, this war is about a massive land grab and outpost build up. When rev2 and constellation sov comes around, defenders will have some real tangible advantages they don't have now.
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0August0
Gallente Gooch Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.05.22 17:43:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Astasia Orian Then get it fixed ffs.
I don't think it could ever happen as they are all independant alliances who would normally prefer to be fighting each other.
It's like having an organized sports team play against a bunch of walk on players. Even worse since the walk-on's all have agendas which go beyond the particular match.
Imagine, if you will, the Jovians suddenly appear and it forces BoB and the Goons to become allies against them. Could they work together efficiently? Could BoB take orders from Goon or vice versa?
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.22 18:24:00 -
[146]
Originally by: DeadWeight People in EvE (BoB & allies included) never engage when there is any margin of uncertainty.
50 BoB caps v 80 coalition caps doesn't count?
Your statement is far too emphatic. Many--if not all--people engage when they cannot lose. Nobody but drunk people (hi, IAC!) engages when they cannot win. Few have the strength, or stupidity, to engage when they probably won't win.
Regardless, however, your point is valid if taken another way. If you don't defend your POS, when you have a specific and exact time to log on and a specific type of ship to be in, and a home-court advantage in the form of POS guns and a pre-loaded grid, your alliance deserves to die. That's the real reason people hate POS-spam--there's no fight there, and (in many, though not all) cases, you wouldn't need to POS-spam if you'd just defend your existing towers.
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DeadWeight
Minmatar Botox Bandits
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Posted - 2007.05.22 18:34:00 -
[147]
Edited by: DeadWeight on 22/05/2007 18:32:26
Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: DeadWeight People in EvE (BoB & allies included) never engage when there is any margin of uncertainty.
50 BoB caps v 80 coalition caps doesn't count?
Your statement is far too emphatic. Many--if not all--people engage when they cannot lose. Nobody but drunk people (hi, IAC!) engages when they cannot win. Few have the strength, or stupidity, to engage when they probably won't win.
--P
Your statement is a lie. I really won't sit here and quote the number of times I did want to jump in only to be told to wait for greater numbers while I die of boredom. Suffice it to say that there was not one single fight I have been in yet that I felt that my cap ship was at risk of anything.
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios
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Posted - 2007.05.22 18:54:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 22/05/2007 15:06:55
Originally by: Dashhammer II I'm actually not sympathetic to them. But I feel guilty. I shouldn't, but I do. A few members of prime orbital systems told me in local today that I shouldn't feel guilty, that they enjoy being hunted. I guess that is some consolation. Maybe I've been looking at this the wrong way.
Whenever you feel that way, remember the double cross by D2, after Trust sold the Cassini station to ISS for tens of billion. Or Jacob the Goon's treachery. Remember RA's plex farming and and use of Skiffs. Remember the cowardice of the D2 Mothership pilots in C4C. Remember FLA's solo defence of their stations, and the ignominious 'we didn't want those stations anyway' from IRON. Remember the polarization, the abuse and the ****train insults, the months of forum posts and how they have turned.
Then show no mercy - send them all back to Jita or or their clone vat or WoW, while more worthy alliances and pilots take their place in the 0.0 stations they vacate.
Myn
Look ma another one that forgot to put is BoB main in the forum.
You have no rigth to talk about cheats,remember bloods complexes whoring?Remember the pacts that BoB made with some "known" macroers corporations.....The T20 incident....The event team =?Remember the shooting true POS?Remember the killing off ascn leadership in this forums?
Remember when you were neutral?
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Frankenstein X
AGA Inc
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Posted - 2007.05.22 19:24:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 22/05/2007 15:06:55
Originally by: Dashhammer II I'm actually not sympathetic to them. But I feel guilty. I shouldn't, but I do. A few members of prime orbital systems told me in local today that I shouldn't feel guilty, that they enjoy being hunted. I guess that is some consolation. Maybe I've been looking at this the wrong way.
Whenever you feel that way, remember the double cross by D2, after Trust sold the Cassini station to ISS for tens of billion. Or Jacob the Goon's treachery. Remember RA's plex farming and and use of Skiffs. Remember the cowardice of the D2 Mothership pilots in C4C. Remember FLA's solo defence of their stations, and the ignominious 'we didn't want those stations anyway' from IRON. Remember the polarization, the abuse and the ****train insults, the months of forum posts and how they have turned.
Then show no mercy - send them all back to Jita or or their clone vat or WoW, while more worthy alliances and pilots take their place in the 0.0 stations they vacate.
Myn
Look ma another one that forgot to put is BoB main in the forum.
You have no rigth to talk about cheats,remember bloods complexes whoring?Remember the pacts that BoB made with some "known" macroers corporations.....The T20 incident....The event team =?Remember the shooting true POS?Remember the killing off ascn leadership in this forums?
Remember when you were neutral?
Ou comon , this thing about cheating toooo old , NOBODY CARE , if u have nothing to say , don't post crap , don't make urself look more idiotic than u r atm .
STFU with that crap already .
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Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Originally by: DeadWeight Edited by: DeadWeight on 22/05/2007 18:32:26
Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: DeadWeight People in EvE (BoB & allies included) never engage when there is any margin of uncertainty.
50 BoB caps v 80 coalition caps doesn't count?
Your statement is far too emphatic. Many--if not all--people engage when they cannot lose. Nobody but drunk people (hi, IAC!) engages when they cannot win. Few have the strength, or stupidity, to engage when they probably won't win.
--P
Your statement is a lie. I really won't sit here and quote the number of times I did want to jump in only to be told to wait for greater numbers while I die of boredom. Suffice it to say that there was not one single fight I have been in yet that I felt that my cap ship was at risk of anything.
Get your own cyno and jump yourself and engage solo then, rather then whinning about it here like a nubcake.
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Edited by: Pilk on 22/05/2007 19:42:35 Edit: grammar and spelling
Fine, I'm going to deconstruct each of your arguments one-by-one. If you want to type back at me in complete sentences and complete thoughts, I'll even debate some of this with you. Let's see what happens.
If you agree with even a portion of what I've posted, an apology for leveling false accusations would be a good place to start a reply.
Originally by: Pesadel0 Look ma another one that forgot to put is BoB main in the forum.
This argument is older than my left sock, and has just as many holes. Don't you think SOMEONE in the coalition has a spy with access to MC or BoB TS who would have noticed the same voices on both by now? Let alone the casual remarks of, "let me log on my alt" and then seeing SirMolle log in.
If nothing else, the ability of BoB and MC to conduct simultaneous, large-scale capital operations belies your underlying argument.
Originally by: Pesadel0 You have no rigth to talk about cheats,remember bloods complexes whoring?
My understanding is that those plexes were barely being run, and when they were, it was often as not by one of RA's carrier-based plexgroups. If you'll recall, it was an Alliance member who pointed out that they were broken. They still remain closed, more than a month later; can you imagine your level of indignation were this same fate to be befalling D2 right now? "D2 (BoB) is under attack by half of Eve, and is losing billions a day! DEVS ARE CONSPIRING TO DESTROY D2!", etc., etc.
Originally by: Pesadel0 Remember the pacts that BoB made with some "known" macroers corporations.....
I'm sure, if I looked hard enough, that I could find examples of others; I believe KOS was mentioned recently as harboring/protecting a large macro-ratter contingent. We've had a couple apply to DDC; when we recognize them, they get rejected. When we don't, we notice it in the wallet journal after a couple of days, boot them, and petition them.
I personally don't agree with any decision to harbor or protect macroers, but according to the CCP, it's not, strictly speaking, a violation of the EULA or an exploit to allow them to use your space. To name some similarly-shady tactics that fall under that same clause: loginski, logoffski, Local portrait hacks, TeamSpeak spies (hi, Mittani!), forum hacks (hi, Kugu!). Do you recognize any of these as things you, your alliance or your allies have done?
Originally by: Pesadel0 The T20 incident...
Was a horrible occurrence that won't be repeated. I still support a forced restitution payment of 13-14b from BoB for the use of that Sabre BPO. I also support a forced restitution payment of approximately one or two trillion isk from RA for the Angel 8/10 complexes. Guess which two things are never going to happen?
Originally by: Pesade10 The event team?
Not sure what you want to do with that one, tbh. The only large-scale event fraud of which I've heard was centered on LV's acquisition of a Hel via suspiciously-conveniently-placed freighters full of required materials. Whatever it was, it also falls under the "old news" clause--we're not still debating m0o's cans on the gate in FD-MLJ, are we?
Originally by: Pesade10 Remember the shooting true POS?
I've seen the video. EITHER the server was out of sync, or BoB managed to shoot through the POS shield and CCP was complicit. Let's see if I can prove the former by reductio ad absurdum: IF BoB were an evil conspiracy who had all used super devh4x to shoot through the POS shield, and knew they wouldn't get punished for it, would they not have continued to cycle through additional targets within the POS shield?
Originally by: Pesade10 Remember the killing off ascn leadership in this forums?
Wait, what? /me googles for "'Murder' AND 'Eve-Online'".
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dastommy79
Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance
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Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 22/05/2007 15:06:55
Originally by: Dashhammer II I'm actually not sympathetic to them. But I feel guilty. I shouldn't, but I do. A few members of prime orbital systems told me in local today that I shouldn't feel guilty, that they enjoy being hunted. I guess that is some consolation. Maybe I've been looking at this the wrong way.
Whenever you feel that way, remember the double cross by D2, after Trust sold the Cassini station to ISS for tens of billion. Or Jacob the Goon's treachery. Remember RA's plex farming and and use of Skiffs. Remember the cowardice of the D2 Mothership pilots in C4C. Remember FLA's solo defence of their stations, and the ignominious 'we didn't want those stations anyway' from IRON. Remember the polarization, the abuse and the ****train insults, the months of forum posts and how they have turned.
Then show no mercy - send them all back to Jita or or their clone vat or WoW, while more worthy alliances and pilots take their place in the 0.0 stations they vacate.
Myn
Jita sucks, think I'll take back my own space or someone elses.........
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios
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Posted - 2007.05.22 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Pesadel0 on 22/05/2007 21:04:18
Quote: Fine, I'm going to deconstruct each of your arguments one-by-one. If you want to type back at me in complete sentences and complete thoughts, I'll even debate some of this with you. Let's see what happens.
Ok I will bite..
Quote: If you agree with even a portion of what I've posted, an apology for leveling false accusations would be a good place to start a reply.
Lets see ..
Look ma another one that forgot to put is BoB main in the forum.
Quote: This argument is older than my left sock, and has just as many holes. Don't you think SOMEONE in the coalition has a spy with access to MC or BoB TS who would have noticed the same voices on both by now? Let alone the casual remarks of, "let me log on my alt" and then seeing SirMolle log in.
Just put that comment there because the level of smack that minas (MC) putted in his statemeant is on par with the forum warriors BoB has.
You have no rigth to talk about cheats,remember bloods complexes whoring?
Quote: My understanding is that those plexes were barely being run, and when they were, it was often as not by one of RA's carrier-based plexgroups. If you'll recall, it was an Alliance member who pointed out that they were broken. They still remain closed, more than a month later; can you imagine your level of indignation were this same fate to be befalling D2 right now? "D2 (BoB) is under attack by half of Eve, and is losing billions a day! DEVS ARE CONSPIRING TO DESTROY D2!", etc., etc.
Were barelly being run?You live in fountain for what one year?I lived there ,and BOB plexed ***** all complexes in delve/fountain regions precision wise like RA,like D2 sure ,i just don¦t like to see hypocrisy. Yeah DS pointed that out ,kudos for his bal** .
Remember the pacts that BoB made with some "known" macroers corporations.....
Quote: I'm sure, if I looked hard enough, that I could find examples of others; I believe KOS was mentioned recently as harboring/protecting a large macro-ratter contingent. We've had a couple apply to DDC; when we recognize them, they get rejected. When we don't, we notice it in the wallet journal after a couple of days, boot them, and petition them.
I personally don't agree with any decision to harbor or protect macroers, but according to the CCP, it's not, strictly speaking, a violation of the EULA or an exploit to allow them to use your space. To name some similarly-shady tactics that fall under that same clause: loginski, logoffski, Local portrait hacks, TeamSpeak spies (hi, Mittani!), forum hacks (hi, Kugu!). Do you recognize any of these as things you, your alliance or your allies have done?
I was giving examples to mynas that he is in fact allied with human beings and that in fact ,he has no rigth to trow wild accusations just because he heard someone said it or because they do it .Basically Mynas said RA is exploiting rigth so we should assume that they are all cheaters? Same goes for BOB some WERE caugth cheating so are they all cheaters?
My answer to boths questions NO.
Just for the record i despise has much D2 has i despise BoB.
The T20 incident...
Quote: Was a horrible occurrence that won't be repeated. I still support a forced restitution payment of 13-14b from BoB for the use of that Sabre BPO. I also support a forced restitution payment of approximately one or two trillion isk from RA for the Angel 8/10 complexes. Guess which two things are never going to happen?
See you are assuming that BoB didnt ***** there bloods/serpentis complexes...
The event team?
Quote: Not sure what you want to do with that one, tbh. The only large-scale event fraud of which I've heard was centered on LV's acquisition of a Hel via suspiciously-conveniently-placed freighters full of required materials. Whatever it was, it also falls under the "old news" clause--we're not still debating m0o's cans on the gate in FD-MLJ, are we?
Serpentis action in fountain.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.22 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 22/05/2007 15:06:55
Originally by: Dashhammer II I'm actually not sympathetic to them. But I feel guilty. I shouldn't, but I do. A few members of prime orbital systems told me in local today that I shouldn't feel guilty, that they enjoy being hunted. I guess that is some consolation. Maybe I've been looking at this the wrong way.
Whenever you feel that way, remember the double cross by D2, after Trust sold the Cassini station to ISS for tens of billion. Or Jacob the Goon's treachery. Remember RA's plex farming and and use of Skiffs. Remember the cowardice of the D2 Mothership pilots in C4C. Remember FLA's solo defence of their stations, and the ignominious 'we didn't want those stations anyway' from IRON. Remember the polarization, the abuse and the ****train insults, the months of forum posts and how they have turned.
Then show no mercy - send them all back to Jita or or their clone vat or WoW, while more worthy alliances and pilots take their place in the 0.0 stations they vacate.
Myn
Look ma another one that forgot to put is BoB main in the forum.
You have no rigth to talk about cheats,remember bloods complexes whoring?Remember the pacts that BoB made with some "known" macroers corporations.....The T20 incident....The event team =?Remember the shooting true POS?Remember the killing off ascn leadership in this forums?
Remember when you were neutral?
Yeah Mynas, post with your main. Lamer!
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios
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Posted - 2007.05.22 21:05:00 -
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Remember the shooting true POS?
Quote: I've seen the video. EITHER the server was out of sync, or BoB managed to shoot through the POS shield and CCP was complicit. Let's see if I can prove the former by reductio ad absurdum: IF BoB were an evil conspiracy who had all used super devh4x to shoot through the POS shield, and knew they wouldn't get punished for it, would they not have continued to cycle through additional targets within the POS shield?
Yeah rigth out off sync ,bob dindt exploit anything they just knew a "feature" that nobody knew.
Remember the killing off ascn leadership in this forums?
Quote: Wait, what? /me googles for "'Murder' AND 'Eve-Online'".
Answering to Mynas because he suffers from amnesia,remember the long posts about how the war versus ASCN was going,telling that mcgreedy/cyvok was a whortless bum?So why shouldn't they receive the other end off the stick and receive some smack and some hate in return?
KARMA is a ****.
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Ordep
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ordep on 22/05/2007 21:12:11 nvm
Made in Portugal
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 21:44:00 -
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....and here we go again....
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0 Remember the shooting true POS?
Quote: I've seen the video. EITHER the server was out of sync, or BoB managed to shoot through the POS shield and CCP was complicit. Let's see if I can prove the former by reductio ad absurdum: IF BoB were an evil conspiracy who had all used super devh4x to shoot through the POS shield, and knew they wouldn't get punished for it, would they not have continued to cycle through additional targets within the POS shield?
Yeah rigth out off sync ,bob dindt exploit anything they just knew a "feature" that nobody knew.
Remember the killing off ascn leadership in this forums?
Quote: Wait, what? /me googles for "'Murder' AND 'Eve-Online'".
Answering to Mynas because he suffers from amnesia,remember the long posts about how the war versus ASCN was going,telling that mcgreedy/cyvok was a whortless bum?So why shouldn't they receive the other end off the stick and receive some smack and some hate in return?
KARMA is a ****.
Just want to pop my head in to correct you on one tiny detail. The beginning of the ascn wasr was quite friendly between ascn and dice (1st down there) until a little down the road. Then the whole of bob went to war against ascn and it was fine for a little bit, gf in local etc. Then the lies started, the mudslinging, the utter pig plop on there own forums and we called bs and put it onto the public forum. The excuse at the time was ' Well it was on our forum and you weren't meant to see that' .
so it's okay to talk trash and completely lie and go into the whole rl insult thing on people as long as they don't know about it? they got found out and there lies made public. But some folks like yourself seem to miss that minor detail
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Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 22:31:00 -
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fire 59, you wouldn't debate politics with a meth-addled junkie..
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Skilo
Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.05.22 22:31:00 -
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Let me get this clear
I was in BoB for more then 10 months Was there when ASCN war started, was there when it finished. Did dozens of plexs, alone and with friends. Was there when the north decided to get b$#$# and attack us. RL made me leave before BoB finish them ...
There are and there will always be Cheaters! Players trying to get advantage not going throw the rules and exploiting ocurs everyday in Eve. If you don't believe ask the DEVS receiving the petitions!
Has an entity BoB never did it! Can someone blaim an alliance for 1 member? How many more alliances had problems also because of members doing it? We (i was still BoB then) where acused of the lowest there could be on foruns on T20 incident. Didn't saw that many words against the hacker that attacked our foruns. Means justify goals? Guess soo .... I can say without any doubt that the majority of BoB was upset, surprised and totally on the dark on that! I was on hundreads of gangs without ONCE seen a bug, exploit, cheat whatever you want to call it being used!!!! Yes i know i'm an ex-bob ofc i was going to say that ... Think what you want!
During ASCN war every BoB pilot was someone living with mum, an-employed and therefor using eve to get realisation. Just read ASCN directors poust on foruns. Our response? Bye bye ASCN. Almoust everyone else response? ASCN are right they either that or cheaters or devs. HEY THEY ALL THAT!!! I just can say lol lol
I know i'm right! I know because i was there! I know because i saw it! I know because i lived it!
I've made this poust on reply of a corp member opinion. It's his and i don't agree. Everyone can have his but i couldn't left it pass without mine also!
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Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 22:41:00 -
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I think we better spruce up this thread by going back to the original theme.
Quote: I have a dream, a song to sing To help me cope with anything If you see the wonder of a fairy tale You can take the future even if you fail I believe in angels Something good in everything I see I believe in angels When I know the time is right for me I'll cross the stream - I have a dream I'll cross the stream - I have a dream
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Dashhammer II
Amarr O RLY corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.22 22:58:00 -
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Alright, I'm going to say this once.
Copy and paste it because it is the only time I will ever be off topic and reply to something as inane as this. Not withstanding that I've been pal-ing around with bob for the last 4 years...
CCP aggressively pursues and removes cheaters, exploiters and the so called 'rogue devs'. They do this because unlike all of you, they could care less about who wins. They are in the business of making money. They spend millions of dollars a year on salaries and equipment to attract and keep players 'in the game'. The idea that they are all sitting around playing god and picking favorites is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If there is a way for them to attract more players and more money, they are going to do it.
These people are not in the business of running off their player base so that they can have more personal time with their dev-tools. Regardless of the fact that they seem to take forever coming through on the patch promises they make every month, they are not going to compound these incredible hardware and software challenges by running around cheating in the name of BOB. If I hear one more time that BOB has some how captured and brainwashed CCP into forgetting that players pay their wages only to deploy them on the front lines of a war that can not possibly benefit them- I'm going to scream.
It is ridiculous. It is absolutely ridiculous and even if GOD himself told you it was true then you should be ashamed of yourself for falling for such a half asked lie. This is why G/D2 fail every year, it's because you'd rather believe the last minute propaganda of your defeated CEOs then put 5 seconds worth of thought into how you were defeated.
So if thats it... if that is all the non-existent "We never even spoke to each other" coalition has to say about the non existent war that is claiming the regions you never wanted then I say, thank you very much gentlemen. If you see my name on your intel channels- Log.
I'm sick of the drama and as Mynas Atoch pointed out, your strip of 0.0 can be put to much better use.
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ElweSingollo
Starlancers Forces of Freedom
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Originally by: Dashhammer II Okay, I have to comment on the recent Q&A with Janus Drake. In case you haven't read it, it is front page news today from Mucra Vita. Let me repost it here for anyone that hasn't read it. Or at least... the sections I have a problem with...
-------- Janus Drake is a high ranking official within the X-Trading Company, one of the founding corporations of Dusk and Dawn. Dusk and Dawn (D2) is a large alliance based out of Branch and situated within the northern regions. D2 is known for their extensive diplomatic and industrial tactics, as well as being fierce fighters for their claimed space. Recently, great events have occurred surrounding D2 as their alliance numbers have varied and wars have sprung up.
IC: What was the outcome of your assault into BoB space? D2: If you're talking of our trip to the Serpentis Fountain Regions, it was the exploration of this territory, further education for our pilots, and the most important part, the entertainment of our alliance population.
IC: How does the loss of 3 corporations and a titan affect your ability to fight in this war? D2: There is a war? Last I saw outer space is always in a state of war. IC: I was referring to the War between the Coalition and the Alliance D2: I donĘt think there is a coalition or an alliance if you prefer to call it so; I would see it more as movement of different interest of different groups. Some fight for glory, some for their entertainment, others fight for their masters.
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What the heck? Since new years we've all been at each others throats both in the forums and in space and now that the tide has turned, D2's answer is 'It never happened'? Was the five month war just a figment of the imagination of a little autistic boy staring into a snow globe?
Was D2's titan lost on a lark? Just some big fourth of july celebration that southerners took for war?
Instead of pretending that the coalition never existed and that D2 was never at war with BOB. Perhaps it would be a better option to instead, try thier hands at diplomacy. Are the days of diplomacy long dead? Now we just rewrite history and try to convince everyone that "We all wanted to live in empire. I don't know what this war thing is that you speak of."
Has it occured to anyone in the coalition that a truce can be struck? Now people may read this and assume that I am some how ragging on D2 for their choice of exit strategies. I'm not. Please believe that I am not.
I have in the past issued challenges to D2 to explain their intentions and reasoning for the war. D2 declined to explain themselves and commented through several hundred forum posters that 'War is fun'. Whether or not this was the consensus- I would like to follow up these challenges by asking D2 to finally ressurect the diplomatic process with bob.
There was a time (though few remember it) when G alliance and BOB were on semi-good terms with each other and although many pleaded with G to talk things out instead of continuing the violence, they declined.
Well let me just say that I do not represent BOB and I do not represent the southern alliance. I don't even represent ISS. But I'm asking D2 to abandon their present course and contact BOB on an official level to talk about the possibility of a cease fire.
They'll probably be suspicious. But at least it's a start. I strive to have the largest rating on our billboards, but do not for a moment believe that I take pride in that. Lets end the violence. End the madness.
Being honest I read that and though if I had been asked those questions instead of even giving intentionally absurd answers I would have told the ISD to feck off and actually come back when he could at least pretend he was trying to do the job that ISD are meant to do.
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Dashhammer II
Amarr O RLY corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.22 23:06:00 -
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He didn't really want to answer those questions anyway?
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ElweSingollo
Starlancers Forces of Freedom
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Posted - 2007.05.22 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dashhammer II He didn't really want to answer those questions anyway?
That I couldn't answer as I dunno his mind what I am saying is that if the ISD member in question had asked me them I would have told him to feck off in fairly short order pretty much most of the question I would consider leading question which at the end of the day suggest and angle being sought... fine if your want for journalism is at say the level of tabloids akin to "The Sun" but I rather prefer my journalism that I pay credance to be more of the broadsheet variety.
At the end of the day things are not exactly rosy in the north you cannot deny that but the way the interview was conducted at best lacked skill and at worst carried a bias, you choose which you think is more likely.
Oh also before you say that no-one can be truly neutral part of the ethos of ISD I believe is that they should be neutral... hard but not impossible.
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boogaboob
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Originally by: Dashhammer II blah
It is ridiculous. It is absolutely ridiculous and even if GOD himself told you it was true then you should be ashamed of yourself for falling for such a half asked lie. This is why G/D2 fail every year, it's because you'd rather believe the last minute propaganda of your defeated CEOs then put 5 seconds worth of thought into how you were defeated. blah
I suggest you stop generalising.
Believe me when I saw that most of the Coalition doesn't think BoB cheats to win. We know they're very, very good, well organised, and whatnot. Many of us consider them in large part to be arrogant jerks, and that is a main reason we fight them.
Don't take freaking forum whiners to be the majority opinion of the coalition, because it's not. And you have no right to speak in such a manner to such a large group of people. And while we're at this, learn your eve history. G is not D2, D2 is not G. They are different. They are merely alliances that occupied some of the same areas and included some- *some* -of the same people. I don't recall any instance where G claimed that BoB had cheated to win, and I don't recall any D2 CEO making the stement that BoB is cheating to beat them now. The Coalition as a whole is not making excuses.
I realize you're aggravated by forum trolls, but think about what you're saying before you open your ******* mouth and spew ******* hateful garbage. OKAY?
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Tovarishch
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Edited by: Tovarishch on 23/05/2007 06:31:44
I avoid the EVE-O forums like the plague. As the years have progressed these forums have, for the most part, disintegrated into bickering among people who seem to lack even a modicum of critical thinking skills. However, this following post was simply too precious to ignore.
Originally by: boogaboob Many of us consider them (BOB) in large part to be arrogant jerks, and that is a main reason we fight them.
Originally by: boogaboob Don't take freaking forum whiners to be the majority opinion of the coalition, because it's not.
With only one breath as a pause (and the astoundingly ironic opening of, 'I suggest you stop generalising') you have managed to accuse BOB (an alliance consisting of hundreds and hundreds of players) of being arrogant jerks... and then turn around and tell someone to not judge others by the actions of a general consensus on the forums.
Amazing.
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios
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Originally by: Arenis Xemdal fire 59, you wouldn't debate politics with a meth-addled junkie..
I'am a whine addict,they call us alcoholics ,but thanks anyway ;)
I will not give in to discussion because i wrote my opinions and some people wrote theirs,i don¦t really give a **** about the outcome off this war ,the post of mynos just hited a nerve i guess.
/me hugs ordep and skilo i still love you
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Cmd Woodlouse
moon7empler Ev0ke
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Originally by: Dashhammer II It is ridiculous. It is absolutely ridiculous and even if GOD himself told you it was true then you should be ashamed of yourself for falling for such a half asked lie. This is why G/D2 fail every year, it's because you'd rather believe the last minute propaganda of your defeated CEOs then put 5 seconds worth of thought into how you were defeated.
For the love of god STOP posting.
The only ridiculous thing in here is your zero-knowledge of the past and the present.
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Edited by: bacon lite on 23/05/2007 10:17:30
Originally by: Dashhammer II Alright, I'm going to say this once.
Copy and paste it because it is the only time I will ever be off topic and reply to something as inane as this. Not withstanding that I've been pal-ing around with bob for the last 4 years...
CCP aggressively pursues and removes cheaters, exploiters and the so called 'rogue devs'. They do this because unlike all of you, they could care less about who wins. They are in the business of making money. They spend millions of dollars a year on salaries and equipment to attract and keep players 'in the game'. The idea that they are all sitting around playing god and picking favorites is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If there is a way for them to attract more players and more money, they are going to do it.
These people are not in the business of running off their player base so that they can have more personal time with their dev-tools. Regardless of the fact that they seem to take forever coming through on the patch promises they make every month, they are not going to compound these incredible hardware and software challenges by running around cheating in the name of BOB. If I hear one more time that BOB has some how captured and brainwashed CCP into forgetting that players pay their wages only to deploy them on the front lines of a war that can not possibly benefit them- I'm going to scream.
It is ridiculous. It is absolutely ridiculous and even if GOD himself told you it was true then you should be ashamed of yourself for falling for such a half asked lie. This is why G/D2 fail every year, it's because you'd rather believe the last minute propaganda of your defeated CEOs then put 5 seconds worth of thought into how you were defeated.
So if thats it... if that is all the non-existent "We never even spoke to each other" coalition has to say about the non existent war that is claiming the regions you never wanted then I say, thank you very much gentlemen. If you see my name on your intel channels- Log.
I'm sick of the drama and as Mynas Atoch pointed out, your strip of 0.0 can be put to much better use.
OMG, quit wasting time on the forums and get back to writing the code for the "BOB WINS" button
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.05.23 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: Victor Vision on 23/05/2007 11:08:11
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: 3xcit3 and btw.. its hard to help your allies when yourself being attacked and you have to defend your space. when we have the time or not the numbers to engange the enemies in our space we move and help our allies..
Well that didn't stop us from helping our allies did it when you guys were roaming all around. That's a sad excuse coming from D2 when you and your allies completely outnumbered BoB+allies at the beginning.
That statement is factually incorrect.
BoB failed miserably in helping LV.
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Indiano Arko
Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.05.23 11:33:00 -
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Only couple regions fell and already so much talk about defeat... I really like Razor position - no smack, plenty of good pvpers who are ready to bring a proper fight in game rather then on forums... Too bad you guys (I mean all Northern entities) can't start working together. I believe you still can do it, tho.
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Rienholt
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Posted - 2007.05.23 11:43:00 -
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"He who controls the past commands the future. He who commands the future conquers the past." - Kane
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.23 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Quote: Fine, I'm going to deconstruct each of your arguments one-by-one. If you want to type back at me in complete sentences and complete thoughts, I'll even debate some of this with you. Let's see what happens.
Ok I will bite..
Lets see ..
Look ma another one that forgot to put is BoB main in the forum.
I don't have a character in BoB, even as an alt. Across my four accounts: DDC: 3 (personal) Empire-based industrial altcorp: 2 (personal) altcorp for 0.0 sales and market manipulation: 5 Noobcorp (named <blank>'s Alt, FWIW): 1 Low-sec-based corp with a POS I use to research: 1 Total: 4x3=12. All accounted for!
Originally by: Pesadel0
Quote: MC=BoB is ridiculous
Just put that comment there because the level of smack that minas (MC) putted in his statemeant is on par with the forum warriors BoB has.
Okay. Not a very helpful comment, though. For instance, you repeated a similar statement, above. Were you "just putting" that comment there, too? I have no way to know.
Originally by: Pesadel0
Quote: Dark Blood complexes
Were barelly being run?You live in fountain for what one year?I lived there ,and BOB plexed ***** all complexes in delve/fountain regions precision wise like RA,like D2 sure ,i just don¦t like to see hypocrisy. Yeah DS pointed that out ,kudos for his bal**.
If individuals within BoB (or any other alliance) exploited peculiarities of the respawn timers on those complexes, or any others, I fully support bans and retroactive removal of the improperly-gained isk from the game.
Furthermore, however, as I pointed out, those complexes are still closed. If those complexes were closed in D2 space right now, the amount of whining that would occur as a result would break the forum software. Even the most-pessimistic assessment of RA's gains from the bugged Angel 8/10's is a trillion isk. The Blood complexes weren't in the game long enough for BoB to pull a trillion off of them even if they had dedicated, 23/7 complex teams assigned to them. Yet the 8/10's were fixed in a (quick) patch and never closed. BoB, meanwhile, has been denied complexes in the heart of their space, in the middle of the greatest war in Eve's history, for how many weeks now? Again, please, just imagine the forum reaction if this were in D2's space.
Originally by: Pesadel0
Quote: I personally don't agree with any decision to harbor or protect macroers, but according to the CCP, it's not, strictly speaking, a violation of the EULA or an exploit to allow them to use your space. To name some similarly-shady tactics that fall under that same clause: loginski, logoffski, Local portrait hacks, TeamSpeak spies (hi, Mittani!), forum hacks (hi, Kugu!). Do you recognize any of these as things you, your alliance or your allies have done?
(*snip for space*) Same goes for BOB some WERE caugth cheating so are they all cheaters?
My answer to boths questions NO.
Just for the record i despise has much D2 has i despise BoB.
Well, at least we're making progress?
Originally by: Pesadel0
Quote: t20 incident...Pilk supports BoB paying CCP back for use of the Sabre BPO
See you are assuming that BoB didnt ***** there bloods/serpentis complexes...
Erm, no. I was giving another example of where I support restitution; any ill-gotten gains MUST be returned to CCP, whether it's BoB, RA, or MGRL on the receiving end (and, let's face it, MGRL is *ALWAYS* on the receiving end!). I would be surprised if BoB's responsibilities under such a plan totaled a tenth of RA's. As such, it's disingenuous to bring up BoB's financial gain from the Sabre BPO as a factor in a war where RA is on the other side of the firing line.
Quote: Serpentis action in fountain.
Sorry, I don't know enough to debate this one with you, then.
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.23 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Quote: I've seen the video. EITHER the server was out of sync, or BoB managed to shoot through the POS shield and CCP was complicit. Let's see if I can prove the former by reductio ad absurdum: IF BoB were an evil conspiracy who had all used super devh4x to shoot through the POS shield, and knew they wouldn't get punished for it, would they not have continued to cycle through additional targets within the POS shield?
Yeah rigth out off sync ,bob dindt exploit anything they just knew a "feature" that nobody knew.
This is startlingly-obtuse. Please read what I wrote before you reply in this manner. It's insulting to the time I spent to formulate an argument for you to simply respond, "".
Respond to my arguments in a coherent mannger, or this conversation we're having right now is over.
Originally by: Pesadel0 Remember the killing off ascn leadership in this forums?
Quote: Wait, what? /me googles for "'Murder' AND 'Eve-Online'".
Answering to Mynas because he suffers from amnesia,remember the long posts about how the war versus ASCN was going,telling that mcgreedy/cyvok was a whortless bum?So why shouldn't they receive the other end off the stick and receive some smack and some hate in return?
KARMA is a ****.
I believe you're missing an asterisk in your description of karma.
I was on the losing side of the BoB/ASCN war, as a close ally of ASCN (though, to my knowledge, we never lost a single fight when an AXE member was FC of an ASCN gang). I remember the smack, as well.
As any ASCN member can tell you, however, the personal attacks going on on these boards towards ASCN paled in comparison to the personal attacks on BoB on the ASCN forums. Regardless, however, the whole thing quickly spiraled out of control, and I doubt I'd be the first to tell you that a lot of people from that time regret the level of vitriol they threw at the other side back then. With that in mind, you might want to consider toning down your attacks a bit now, no?
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larietta
production management team
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Posted - 2007.05.23 16:29:00 -
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i remember that war to i had loads ov fun but then i was just in this game for the pew pew
but then fun is what i pay for in this game
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Buxaroo
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.23 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Vision Edited by: Victor Vision on 23/05/2007 11:08:11
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: 3xcit3 and btw.. its hard to help your allies when yourself being attacked and you have to defend your space. when we have the time or not the numbers to engange the enemies in our space we move and help our allies..
Well that didn't stop us from helping our allies did it when you guys were roaming all around. That's a sad excuse coming from D2 when you and your allies completely outnumbered BoB+allies at the beginning.
That statement is factually incorrect.
BoB failed miserably in helping LV.
Well think about it though. When BoB came to help out LV, it was more of an 11th hour thing. BoB and LV weren't exactly + to each other before that SirMolle post. I know, I used to live in Omist with my crew and plenty of times we were visited by the BoB welcome wagon .
Whereas the coalition has had plenty of time to get their act together and coordinate.
Besides...it's all relatively moot now sense Goons are loosing their space.....
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Jotan Veer
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2007.05.23 18:52:00 -
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Can we pretty please let ASCN die already? It is starting to become stupid.
Especially if some people, who were never members or if they were I never saw them firing a shot in TCAG/GQ2S, using it as an excuse to flame BOB.
Cyvok's arrogance (which physically manifested itself at the exact moment the titan was deployed) made ASCN a prime target for the biggest warmachine in EVE history and the end result wasn't a big surprise. Even if BOB played 'nice' the end result would have been the same. There is nothing more to say, end of story.
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Santiago Cortes
Caldari ISD Interstellar Correspondents Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.05.24 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Bart That whole QA session was pro-bob and anti-d2. I can't beleive it was even published as part of eve news. Someone needs to check the bias of the interviewer imo.
It's like me interviewing bob and being allowed to ask questions like:
Q: How does it affect moral for your alliance to be universally hated accross the galaxy? Q: What is your responce to not making any progress against goonswarm since your annoucement that you were going to attack them in January? They seem as strong and willing to fight now as they have ever been.
etc, etc, etc.
It's pretty easy to ask questions like this and I think the d2 guy did well in answering such rubbish questions with rubbish answers.
-Bart
I am responsible for assigning reporters to stories, IC as a whole plays a part of the editorial process to decide the questions.
Therefore individual bias is impossible to be singled out and levying those charges at the interviewer is foolish.
By the way, I liked your questions for BoB, although we do have 10 questions with them in the works, perhaps you'd like to apply for IC?
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Kanoubi
Amarr Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.05.24 08:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kanoubi on 24/05/2007 08:19:50
Originally by: Jotan Veer Can we pretty please let ASCN die already? It is starting to become stupid.
Especially if some people, who were never members or if they were I never saw them firing a shot in TCAG/GQ2S, using it as an excuse to flame BOB.
Cyvok's arrogance (which physically manifested itself at the exact moment the titan was deployed) made ASCN a prime target for the biggest warmachine in EVE history and the end result wasn't a big surprise. Even if BOB played 'nice' the end result would have been the same. There is nothing more to say, end of story.
If is becoming stupid why did you add more stupidity to your post ?
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