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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
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Posted - 2017.02.26 11:10:22 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Erich Einstein wrote: To prevent alpha clones from continually being rolled and used as disposable gank toons, I propose that only omega pilots be allowed to set their safety to red, while alpha clones can only set their safety to yellow at most.
except ganking is one of the most enjoyable and accessible parts of the game for a new player. it probably generates more subs than it costs.
If you think so then u have to be a short brained... |
Lugh Crow-Slave
3847
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Posted - 2017.02.26 11:13:21 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Erich Einstein wrote: To prevent alpha clones from continually being rolled and used as disposable gank toons, I propose that only omega pilots be allowed to set their safety to red, while alpha clones can only set their safety to yellow at most.
except ganking is one of the most enjoyable and accessible parts of the game for a new player. it probably generates more subs than it costs. If you think so then u have to be a short brained...
what part isn't true?
hell when it comes to subscriptions ccp showed that ppl that get ganked are more likely too
BLOPS Hauler
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Raymond Limyuri
Ascendance Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.02.26 11:28:36 -
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Quote:CCPlease implement this or something similar so that repeat gank fleets can not freely stage and travel in highsec. If career criminals want to take advantage of major markets like jita and amarr, then they can use an alt or carrier service to get goods. No need for career criminals to even be allowed in highsec. That is what a security status is meant to control.
Ganking is a fundamental part of this game, and nerfing it would make it go away. Burn Jita is happening and will happen again, the rationale behind it isn't "getting goods", or stealing loot. it is "fun". The success of burn jita is determined by "how many billions were destroyed", screw the loot. This game is a sandbox to the extent that kill mails one of the most important aspects of the game. Moreover, ganking isn't always as active as when burn Jita is happening, so only idiots would make themselves targets by AFK-mining and sitting on gates thinking that highsec is safe.
Have fun. Die. Repeat. Get over it. |
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
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Posted - 2017.02.26 11:49:34 -
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It's so funny as mostly gangers speak in this thread as "Ganking is fine" :) |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5305
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Posted - 2017.02.26 11:53:34 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:It's so funny as mostly gangers speak in this thread as "Ganking is fine" :)
Got any proof that everyone who disagrees with you is a ganker, or are you just making the accusation because you have no actual answer to them? |
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
34
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Posted - 2017.02.26 12:21:24 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:It's so funny as mostly gangers speak in this thread as "Ganking is fine" :) Got any proof that everyone who disagrees with you is a ganker, or are you just making the accusation because you have no actual answer to them?
Killboard is "my proof" |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5305
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Posted - 2017.02.26 12:24:37 -
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Well, I disagree with you entirely. Ganking is, if anything, overly nerfed at the moment.
Feel free to check my killboard before you call me a ganker too! |
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
34
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Posted - 2017.02.26 12:48:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Well, I disagree with you entirely. Ganking is, if anything, overly nerfed at the moment.
Feel free to check my killboard before you call me a ganker too!
Nerfed? WTF Oo we play diff. games then;
And as you wish but u have to be trolling:
He is not a ganger |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27814
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Posted - 2017.02.26 13:01:58 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Well, I disagree with you entirely. Ganking is, if anything, overly nerfed at the moment.
Feel free to check my killboard before you call me a ganker too! Nerfed? WTF Oo we play diff. games then; And as you wish but u have to be trolling: He is not a gangerEven more no ganger here You're not too bright are you?
They are not their corp, their corp is not them
I disagree with you too, have fun trying to paint me as a ganker.
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3847
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Posted - 2017.02.26 13:32:40 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:It's so funny as mostly gangers speak in this thread as "Ganking is fine" :) Got any proof that everyone who disagrees with you is a ganker, or are you just making the accusation because you have no actual answer to them? Killboard is "my proof"
okay show me just how much of a ganker i am then. i think you will find i have been ganked far more than i have ganked
BLOPS Hauler
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3847
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Posted - 2017.02.26 13:35:04 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:They are not their corp, their corp is not them i must disagree with you
everything you do reflects on your corp everything your corp does reflects on you should you chose to associate yourself with some one you are guilty of their sins
BLOPS Hauler
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27814
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Posted - 2017.02.26 13:42:20 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:They are not their corp, their corp is not them i must disagree with you everything you do reflects on your corp everything your corp does reflects on you should you chose to associate yourself with some one you are guilty of their sins heh, true enough, associate with pirates get called a pirate.
The point I was making is that he accused Danika personally of being a ganker, and then used Goonwaffes killboard to "prove" it, probably because Danika's killboard didn't tally with with his preconceptions about the people who disagree with him
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3847
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Posted - 2017.02.26 13:51:26 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:They are not their corp, their corp is not them i must disagree with you everything you do reflects on your corp everything your corp does reflects on you should you chose to associate yourself with some one you are guilty of their sins heh, true enough, associate with pirates, get called a pirate. The point I was making is that he accused Danika personally of being a ganker, and then used Goonwaffes killboard to "prove" it, probably because Danika's killboard didn't tally with with his preconceptions about the people who disagree with him
lol i'll let him have it there are plenty of people in this thread who are even in alliances and corps that he's not going to be able to point to.
BLOPS Hauler
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5306
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Posted - 2017.02.26 14:19:12 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Well, I disagree with you entirely. Ganking is, if anything, overly nerfed at the moment.
Feel free to check my killboard before you call me a ganker too! Nerfed? WTF Oo we play diff. games then; And as you wish but u have to be trolling: He is not a gangerEven more no ganger here
There are 3,000 people in Goonwaffe, and 25,000 people in Goonswarm federation. Linking those killboards does nothing to show that I am a ganker. You can find evidence of people in the corp or the alliance doing literally everything that is possible to do in this game and then some. Doesn't mean everyone does it.
While I am -8, that's because I do not think lowsec means I should avoid shooting the pod. All of the anti ganking ideas in this thread would lock me out of highsec too, and none have even attempted to justify that. Can you?
Please, post one single buff that ganking has received in the last five years. |
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
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Posted - 2017.02.26 15:02:40 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Well, I disagree with you entirely. Ganking is, if anything, overly nerfed at the moment.
Feel free to check my killboard before you call me a ganker too! Nerfed? WTF Oo we play diff. games then; And as you wish but u have to be trolling: He is not a gangerEven more no ganger here You're not too bright are you? They are not their corp, their corp is not them I disagree with you too, have fun trying to paint me as a ganker.
I give no **** - if you "live" in corp which is known from ganking others - for me you are ganger. thats all; |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27816
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Posted - 2017.02.26 15:19:51 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:I give no **** - if you "live" in corp which is known from ganking others - for me you are ganger. thats all; I have a really big brush that can be used to apply tar. I also have a 360-¦ excavator that can be used to make the hole you're digging for yourself even bigger.
Both are available to hire at reasonable rates.
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Jevatoxa
Amandla Legion
67
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Posted - 2017.02.26 16:03:07 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:It's so funny as mostly gangers speak in this thread as "Ganking is fine" :)
Nope.
I'm not a ganker, but I believe ganking is fine. It adds an element of danger to Eve that keeps the game unique among MMOs. Ganking also stops multi-boxing AFK bots from stripping belt after belt and messing up the economy.
Countering gankers is ridiculously easy, but it requires you to engage with the Eve community and keep your wits about you. And to be at your keyboard. Hell, gankers are fine killboard-padding material if you play the game right; easy kills and an easy source of isk via the bounties and loot from the wrecks.
You have all the tools at your disposal to avoid being ganked; I don't see what the problem is. |
elise densi
Ascendance Goonswarm Federation
56
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Posted - 2017.02.26 16:05:46 -
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This topic is going to places |
Lugh Crow-Slave
3847
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Posted - 2017.02.26 16:36:35 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:I give no **** - if you "live" in corp which is known from ganking others - for me you are ganger. thats all; I have a really big brush that can be used to apply tar. I also have a 360-¦ excavator that can be used to make the hole you're digging for yourself even bigger. Both are available to hire at reasonable rates.
love how he didn't go to show how you and i were gankers lol
BLOPS Hauler
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Andrew Xadi
Easy Co. Get Off My Lawn
13
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Posted - 2017.02.26 16:38:23 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:To prevent alpha clones from continually being rolled and used as disposable gank toons, I propose that only omega pilots be allowed to set their safety to red, while alpha clones can only set their safety to yellow at most.
ok, so tell me please what would stop me from having an omega account instead of alpha and keep biomassing "toons" or whatever you call characters? |
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Dolorous Tremmens
Lightspeed Enterprises Goonswarm Federation
207
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Posted - 2017.02.26 17:00:22 -
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Andrew Xadi wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:To prevent alpha clones from continually being rolled and used as disposable gank toons, I propose that only omega pilots be allowed to set their safety to red, while alpha clones can only set their safety to yellow at most. ok, so tell me please what would stop me from having an omega account instead of alpha and keep biomassing "toons" or whatever you call characters?
To answer your oft repeated question: Terms of service and the desire to continue playing eve. The door is that way, don't let anyone stop you from leaving. The door will not slap your butt on the way out, the game could care less.
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Obligatory can i have your stuff?
Get some Eve. Make it yours.
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padraig animal
Tritanium Industries and Technology Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2017.02.26 17:15:21 -
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Dolorous Tremmens wrote:Andrew Xadi wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:To prevent alpha clones from continually being rolled and used as disposable gank toons, I propose that only omega pilots be allowed to set their safety to red, while alpha clones can only set their safety to yellow at most. ok, so tell me please what would stop me from having an omega account instead of alpha and keep biomassing "toons" or whatever you call characters? To answer your oft repeated question: Terms of service and the desire to continue playing eve. The door is that way, don't let anyone stop you from leaving. The door will not slap your butt on the way out, the game could care less. **edit: Obligatory can i have your stuff?
If you get his stuff can i have his sp ?
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NightmareX
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
717
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Posted - 2017.02.26 17:49:25 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:NightmareX wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Nobody is saying that the game shouldn't be improved, we're saying that your suggestion isn't an improvement in our opinion. And why isn't it an improvement to actually threat criminals as actual criminals? Because in all likelihood it will fail miserably to change anything because gankers will adapt and keep on ganking. This is what history tells us about nerfs to ganking. Gankers get nerfed Gankers adapt. People still explode and whine on the forums about it. Someone else comes up with a great idea to make ganking more difficult. Ad infinitum. The grand circle of one more nerf. Now your turn to answer a question. I wrote:Why should the people who put effort into their gameplay be penalised for it, while at the same rewarding those who don't put any effort or thought in at all?
How is that anywhere near balanced? It seems that you don't understand what i'm talking about here. I haven't been talking anything about how the gankers will adapt and all of that. All i have said is that the more they gank, the more Concord will hunt after the actual ganker, like in real life if you goes around stealing stuffs. The more you streal, the more the police will be on your ass busting you.
And to the other things you said. The reason i want ganking to be harder is because being a criminal is something you are not supposed to be, specially not all the time without massive consequences. If you are a criminal in real life, you wont be able to do those crimes for many times before you are busted by the police anyways where you wont be able to do those crimes for a long time again.
And why should the gankers have it more easy to do ganking over the freighter pilots doing freighter runs in high sec?
Again, all that is needed to stop a whole freighter run is a single Machariel. Is that fair towards the freighter pilots when the others peoples have no direct tools to stop a gank fest to stop?
Yes, why should you be able to easily stop a freighter or kill it when we others can't do that towards the gankers before it's to late?
Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:
1: Asteroid Madness
2: Clash of the Empires
3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5308
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Posted - 2017.02.26 17:57:38 -
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NightmareX wrote:
Yes, why should you be able to easily stop a freighter or kill it when we others can't do that towards the gankers before it's to late?
But you can? Y'know, really quite easily?
Hint: get a fast locking ship and camp a gate you know gankers will be coming through.
Now, in a similar vein, why should a single pilot who takes absolutely no precautions whatsoever be immune to the actions of two dozen or more organised and specialised players who want to ruin his day? Nowhere else in eve is one unprepared player going to do anything but die against superior numbers, tactics and fits, so why should this not also be the case in highsec? |
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
3776
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Posted - 2017.02.26 18:00:24 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:It's so funny as mostly gangers speak in this thread as "Ganking is fine" :)
Then check mine.
Ganking is fine and im a miner and freighter pilot. In fact ganking needs a buff.
I think its funny though, the only people who want ganking to be nerfed are carebears that don't know mechanics or have to lie to try and make a point.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18695
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Posted - 2017.02.26 18:03:08 -
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NightmareX wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:NightmareX wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Nobody is saying that the game shouldn't be improved, we're saying that your suggestion isn't an improvement in our opinion. And why isn't it an improvement to actually threat criminals as actual criminals? Because in all likelihood it will fail miserably to change anything because gankers will adapt and keep on ganking. This is what history tells us about nerfs to ganking. Gankers get nerfed Gankers adapt. People still explode and whine on the forums about it. Someone else comes up with a great idea to make ganking more difficult. Ad infinitum. The grand circle of one more nerf. Now your turn to answer a question. I wrote:Why should the people who put effort into their gameplay be penalised for it, while at the same rewarding those who don't put any effort or thought in at all?
How is that anywhere near balanced? It seems that you don't understand what i'm talking about here. I haven't been talking anything about how the gankers will adapt and all of that. All i have said is that the more they gank, the more Concord will hunt after the actual ganker, like in real life if you goes around stealing stuffs. The more you streal, the more the police will be on your ass busting you. And to the other things you said. The reason i want ganking to be harder is because being a criminal is something you are not supposed to be, specially not all the time without massive consequences. If you are a criminal in real life, you wont be able to do those crimes for many times before you are busted by the police anyways where you wont be able to do those crimes for a long time again. And why should the gankers have it more easy to do ganking over the freighter pilots doing freighter runs in high sec? Again, all that is needed to stop a whole freighter run is a single Machariel. Is that fair towards the freighter pilots when the others peoples have no direct tools to stop a gank fest to stop? Yes, why should you be able to easily stop a freighter or kill it when we others can't do that towards the gankers before it's to late?
A single ship with webs will get a freighter into warp so fast it will warp backwards. |
NightmareX
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
717
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Posted - 2017.02.26 18:12:05 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:But that is the point. Ganking an empty freighter happens, but rarely, aside from events like Burn Jita. Like i have said, the ganking in it self are fine. What's not fine are the consequences the gankers gets after a gank. The consequences are WAAAAAAAY to little / small over what it really should be. It's that simple.
Teckos Pech wrote:Well, in the U.S. you can travel with any amount of money. Of course, if the police stop you they could take it via civil asset forfeiture. So, you arenGÇÖt even safe from them. Maybe CONCORD should start ganking the odd overstuffed freighter and call it civil asset forfeiture.
BTW, with civil asset forfeiture law enforcement must merely suspect wrong doing, not actually charge you with a crime. Well, there are many other countries than USA out there though. And now i'm not talking about walking around with 100.000 dollars or something like that. I'm talking about maybe 2000-3000 dollars that is considered ALOT for most normal peoples.
So yes, you should be able to walk around with that amount of money. However, if you get robbed or something, then the police will find those guys and punish them hard for stealing my money. And if they are even continuing to steal money from others after they are released the first time for stealing, then their punishment will be even harder.
That's what i want to see in EVE. I want to see the criminals get punished harder and harder the more crimes they do. This is again a normal thing to do towards criminals in humans nature. So i don't see why this can't be in EVE.
Teckos Pech wrote:Use local for the love of God. Set known ganking organizations red. Use webs. Tank your freighter. DonGÇÖt put too much value in it. There are plenty of idiots out there you just have to be smarter than them. Let the gankers eat them while you sail on through. Did you even bother to read what i said?
I said that one moment the local can be clear for the Freighter pilot to jump in, but the next moment after he have jumped in, there can be a Machariel arriving at the gate that will ruin the Freighter polits day. Not only that, but Destroyers are fast and can take several jumps from the system where the Freighter is and arrive on the Freighter in no time.
So how many Machariels does the Freighter pilot have to set red and how many alts do the Freighter pilot needs to be able to scout himself several jumps ahead to avoid getting caught be some gankers who can again, take several jumps in no time in Destroyers and arrive on the Freighter before the Freighter even have been able to enter warp?
Basicly, the Freighter pilots will have a hard time doing their business with just the Freighter alone, while you gankers can just freely fart around shooting whatever you want, without any problrms or anything?
And you are suprised to see peoples reacting to the stupid system that is now that wont punish players harder and harder the more crimes they do?
Teckos Pech wrote:Yes, at this point you have basically screwed up several times.
1. Too much stuff in your cargo hold. 2. No scout. 3. No webs. 4. You probably anti-tanked your freighter. 5. You are almost surely going to die.
You should have not done everything wrong in 1-4. 1. I'm again not against getting ganked for traveling with to much stuffs in the cargohold. Read what i'm talking about. 2. One scout is not going to be enough for a Freighter pilot anyways as he will need to be scouting several systems in advance for the Freighter pilot to make sure it's ok. So that again, is just stupid. 3. Why should he need webs on an alt to be able to do his business? 4. You shouldn't have to tank your freighter as a normal practice. If you know you are going to low sec or any other areas that are SUPPOSED to be dangerous, then it might be something else. 5. And as you are so sure to die, then i don't see the problem with a system that punished the criminals harder and harder the more crimes they do because the Freighter pilots have such high chance of dying without having to use a billion alts and stuffs.
So again. Give EVE a system that punished the criminals harder and harder the more crimes they do, because that's freaking logic.
Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:
1: Asteroid Madness
2: Clash of the Empires
3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
3776
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Posted - 2017.02.26 18:13:11 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:If you want to make the game better you'd be asking for buffs to ganking. Increases rewards for smart players. Penalises the dumb and lazy. And i mean for haulers and miners when i say that.
But no. Just another carebear that doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Wants the game to change so he doesn't have to think. You must be on a troll fest or something. That or you are just really dumb... Not dumb enough to be ganked in a freighter. Yeah, just a 3+ bil hull filled with blueprints : https://zkillboard.com/kill/18320221/
Omg.
First, not a gank. Its a gatecamp. Second, those weren't bp originals as zkill suggests. Everyone is a copy but the age of the kill mail must be screwing up zkill. It was less than one bil at time of loss. Third, i was a stupid nub. Less than a year old trying to leave null without access to alliance logistics cause i quit too soon.
Difference between me and you? When i lost that ship i didn't come whining to the forums that the game should change to let me be stupid. I learned my lesson. I adapted.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
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NightmareX
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
717
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Posted - 2017.02.26 18:15:56 -
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baltec1 wrote:A single ship with webs will get a freighter into warp so fast it will warp backwards. And why should a Freighter pilot be in need of an alt or others to be able to fly around?
As i have said a million times. I'm not against you guys ganking freighters and that. I'm against the lame system against criminals in EVE that is in EVE now. EVE needs a new system that takes into account on how much a criminal does ganking or crimes where the Concord will be harder and harder the more crimes you do.
Sure, you can gank 3 freighters a day, but you will have issues later to do anything in high sec for one day then.
Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:
1: Asteroid Madness
2: Clash of the Empires
3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
3776
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Posted - 2017.02.26 18:20:20 -
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Freighters are corp level assets like other capitals. They aren't meant to be flown solo. You don't HAVE to use an escort but when you can ignore every ganker at the expense of a frigate with a couple of webs, why wouldn't you?
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
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