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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.03.26 06:22:00 -
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As if having a completely gimped empire cosmos constellation to start with wasn't bad enough, Gallente seem to be getting the short end of the stick once again, only this time it's invention. Out of all the modules that you can invent, over half use the Amarr data interface and Gallente are left with a pretty laughable selection. Here's the breakdown:
Amarr: Armour plates Active armour hardeners Passive armour hardeners Armour repairers ECCN Radar Signal amp All nos All neuts All capacitor boosters All capacitor batteries All energy transfer arrays Capacitor rechargers Capacitor power relays Cap flux coils Power Diagnostic Systems Reactor Control Unit Shield Power Relay Shield Flux Coil Lasers Heat sink EM smartbombs
Minmatar: Damage Control All hull upgrades All afterburners and microwarpdrives Warp core stabalisers All propulsion upgrades Tracking disruptor Target painter Stasis web Warp scrambler Warp disruptor All scanners ECCM Ladar Passive targetter Tracking Link Tracking enhancer Projectiles Gyrostabaliser Tracking Computer Explosive smartbombs
Caldari: Cloaking devices ECCM Gravimetric Sensor booster Remote sensor booster Active and passive shield hardeners Shield boosters Shield transporters (BTW where are T2 remote armour reps?) Shield boost amps Shield extenders Shield Rechargers ALL railguns All missile launchers Ballistic control system Magnetic field stabaliser kinetic smartbombs
Gallente: ECM (what the crap, these are clearly caldari) signal distortion amp ECCM magnetometric ECCM projector Co-processor Blasters Thermal smartbombs
It should be obvious from this that Gallente are being let down somewhat. The only major groups that can be invented with the gallente interface are blasters and ECM, which is clearly a caldari invention as gallente have no ships with bonuses to them. Meanwhile, amarr get all armour, laser and cap related things, caldari get all shield, missile and railgun related things plus some extras and minmatar get all speed, projectile and tracking related things. ECM? Co-Processors? Those are the leftovers.
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el grande
Amarr club of billionares
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Posted - 2007.03.26 08:23:00 -
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...and rails for the caldari, what a joke. its just that they have the new rokh, until that, no caldari ever fired a rail. but its eve and best you can do is adapt and move on. |
Alexi Borizkova
Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.03.26 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: el grande ...and rails for the caldari, what a joke. its just that they have the new rokh, until that, no caldari ever fired a rail. but its eve and best you can do is adapt and move on.
Merlin, Harpy, Moa, Eagle, Ferox, Nighthawk, Rokh.
Compare that to the number of minmatar ships that are traditional howitzer users.
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Nuandha
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.26 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Borizkova
Originally by: el grande ...and rails for the caldari, what a joke. its just that they have the new rokh, until that, no caldari ever fired a rail. but its eve and best you can do is adapt and move on.
Merlin, Harpy, Moa, Eagle, Ferox, Nighthawk, Rokh.
Compare that to the number of minmatar ships that are traditional howitzer users.
I might be wrong but I think it is not Nighthawk but Vulture you wanted to say And then again it is true I have never ever fired a railgun in anger
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Qual
Gallente Cornexant Research
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Posted - 2007.03.26 13:04:00 -
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But Gallente got the Hulk. (I know you only talkmodules, but all invention have to be considered for the race....)
Pawns all.
'nuf said.
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Kabeil Blackdawn
The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.26 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Out of all the modules that you can invent, over half use the Amarr data interface and Gallente are left with a pretty laughable selection.
/signed
the split in what each race can invent, module wise, is not fair at all for gallente. They dont have lot of worthwhile invention jobs. Except if ccp intend to add stuff later (mining module, drones, new mods) there should be a rebalance. I dont intend to get the gallente data interface and I got the other 3 already.
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Illuminaty
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Posted - 2007.03.26 14:14:00 -
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The second I saw that Caldari were getting Ballistic Control Units PLUS Magnetic Field Stabs, I knew Gallente were getting the shaft.
I mean seriously, wtf!
Do caldari even HAVE a hybrid damage bonus?
Is there anything that defines gallente MORE than hybrid damage?
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Vincent Almasy
Gallente The Underground
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Posted - 2007.03.26 14:19:00 -
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Gallente should get:
Amarr: Armor Active Hardeners(amarr gain form passive from their ship boost) Armor Repairers (gallente ships specialty) Capacity Reacharger (amarr have little mids)
Minmatar: Micro Warp Drive(thorax) Hull upgrades (gallente have most hull and cargo) Damage Controle (hull again)
Caldari: Rails (truely gallente) Magnetic Field Stabalizer (goes with rails) -ECM (really caldari)
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Vladimir Tinakin
Caldari Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.03.26 14:26:00 -
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Well, if/when CCP decides to make all T2 inventable as they promised, Strip Miners and Ice Harvestors are probably going to fall in with Gallente based on the ORE precedent, and those are NICE items. Any mining upgrades as well...assuming there will ever be T2 of those.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.03.26 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Tinakin Well, if/when CCP decides to make all T2 inventable as they promised, Strip Miners and Ice Harvestors are probably going to fall in with Gallente based on the ORE precedent, and those are NICE items. Any mining upgrades as well...assuming there will ever be T2 of those.
Possibly, but it doesn't mitigate the fact that the only things of note we can invent currently are blasters and caldari ECM.
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Lord Dynastron
Mystical Knights
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Posted - 2007.03.26 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Dynastron on 26/03/2007 16:30:17 What has Railguns!?
On Edit...
Ahh,, ok,, Caldari,, are railguns not Gallente!?!?
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Lord Dynastron
Mystical Knights
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Posted - 2007.03.26 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Tinakin Well, if/when CCP decides to make all T2 inventable as they promised, Strip Miners and Ice Harvestors are probably going to fall in with Gallente based on the ORE precedent, and those are NICE items. Any mining upgrades as well...assuming there will ever be T2 of those.
OoooOO! Yea! Good point! Are MSM2's inventable yet?!
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.03.26 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Dynastron What has Railguns!? On Edit... Ahh,, ok,, Caldari,, are railguns not Gallente!?!?
nah, railguns are caldari. So is ECM ¼_¼. What's sad is that gallente don't even get to invent their own damage mod. Amarr get heat sinks, minmatar get gyrostabalisers, gallente get nothing and caldari get two (mag stab and BCU).
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Jabazz
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Posted - 2007.03.26 17:23:00 -
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Relax.
Drones have yet to be released as Tech2. I imagine when they are, it will be under Gallente and we'll have balance.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.03.26 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jabazz Relax.
Drones have yet to be released as Tech2. I imagine when they are, it will be under Gallente and we'll have balance.
Drones and ammo are intentionally non-inventable. And drones are racial, so only thermal ones should be gallente.
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Kruugore
Minmatar Vigilant Justice
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Posted - 2007.03.26 21:28:00 -
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Until the Amarrians, Caldari and Matari have:
Their own special ship class
You can't really complain that it is unfair.
Exhumers = Gallente
When the other races have a special ship class that can be generically used however racially invented. Then you can complain again.
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Lord Dynastron
Mystical Knights
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Posted - 2007.03.26 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kruugore Until the Amarrians, Caldari and Matari have:
Their own special ship class
You can't really complain that it is unfair.
Exhumers = Gallente
When the other races have a special ship class that can be generically used however racially invented. Then you can complain again.
You do have a point.
The only problem is,,, those ships are WAY MORE EXPENSIVE to work with then components. A covetor BPO is 2 billion.... sooo.... ummm.... yea.... ouch.
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Max Hardcase
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.26 22:12:00 -
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Since when are Hulks modules ? Since that is the category the thread is about.
Caldari or Amarr might as well complain they can't invent vagabonds....sheesh.
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Lithalnas
Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.03.26 22:43:00 -
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Gallente invention will probably include drones and hybrid ammo, not exactly moduals but the t2 drones make up for the difference. ------------- Hadean Drive Yards The EvE inflation, 80 Macro miners, 1.5b isk/day |
Effei Gloom
Minmatar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.27 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: Effei Gloom on 27/03/2007 00:23:35
Originally by: Kruugore Until the Amarrians, Caldari and Matari have:
Their own special ship class
You can't really complain that it is unfair.
Exhumers = Gallente
When the other races have a special ship class that can be generically used however racially invented. Then you can complain again.
signed
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.03.27 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kruugore Until the Amarrians, Caldari and Matari have:
Their own special ship class
You can't really complain that it is unfair.
Exhumers = Gallente
When the other races have a special ship class that can be generically used however racially invented. Then you can complain again.
You're simultaneously raising and missing the point, that being that one data interface is worth less than its counterparts. You raise the point by suggesting gallente module interfaces are worth more due to hulk invention, which is perfectly reasonable. You then miss it by suggesting this somehow makes up for our module interface being next to useless.
We're not comparing all gallente data interfaces with all Amarr ones here, we're specifically comparing the module ones. Every race's module data interface and by extension the training time taken for the encryption skill, assuming you only want to invent modules, is ten times more useful than the Gallente one. While hulk invention will make the opposite true for ship interfaces, are you seriously suggesting that the ability to invent hulks if you happen to have a gallente ship data interface is worth only being able to invent blasters, ECM and some leftover modules?
I will admit that it's not even since gallente get exhumers. But by no stretch of the imagination does that account for the uselessness of our module invention. I was looking forward to building something useful with my pile of decryptors and my well trained skill but now I'm going to have to get a ship interface to actually invent something worthwhile. We could at least get armour hardeners or repairers or plates. SOMETHING that would make a bit of sense. Can we even invent our own racial EW? (I think I missed it on the list).
My thought is that this was done deliberately to balance out the rewards of exploration, in an attempt to keep value coming from exploration homogenised over the regions. They make gallente's ship interface worth more and module interface worth less to balance it out. This makes some sense with hulk prices as they are but once the hulk and ship data interface prices equalise to around the same level, that design is no longer valid. I believe they'll change what interface invents what items when hulk prices eventually floor at a reasonable level and the gallente ship interface reaches the same rough price as other ones.
It's also possible that they are simply waiting for those values to equalise before giving gallente new inventable items such as stripminers, drone modules, hacking mods etc. which are currently not inventable. In that case, once those items are inventable, the interface will be pretty useful. I guess we'll wait and see.
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Johnny ReeRee
The ReeRee Brigade
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Posted - 2007.03.27 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
I will admit that it's not even since gallente get exhumers. But by no stretch of the imagination does that account for the uselessness of our module invention.
That's exactly what it does.
You want an even shot at module invention AND vastly more valuable ship invention?
Doesn't work like that. You get MUCH better ship invention, probable eventual drone invention, and worse module invention. Not everything is balanced at the same level at the same time.
You hoarded Gallente module decryptors? Sucks to be you I guess, but that's not exactly a game balance crisis.
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Vincent Almasy
Gallente The Underground
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Posted - 2007.03.27 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny ReeRee Edited by: Johnny ReeRee on 27/03/2007 02:38:39
Originally by: Nyphur
I will admit that it's not even since gallente get exhumers. But by no stretch of the imagination does that account for the uselessness of our module invention.
That's exactly what it does.
You want an even shot at module invention AND vastly more valuable ship invention?
Doesn't work like that, nor should it. You get MUCH better ship invention, probable eventual drone invention, and worse module invention. Not everything is balanced at the same level at the same time.
Sorry you're left sitting on the pile of decryptors you hoarded, but that's not really a game balance crisis.
This shows how Gallente got shafted. They get a ship class that has nothing to do with gallente ships and from that have to lose out on most modules that the gallente ships are built around? That doesn't make much sense. Why not just give ore it's own maybe and give gallente the modules it uses.
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Hon Kovell
Gallente Intaki Peace
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Posted - 2007.03.27 04:34:00 -
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I don't actually see anything wrong with Gallente or any other race having a better or worse selection. With the system we have/are meant to have it just means that there's likely to be a lower demand and lower prices for entry. Even without that, I see nothing wrong with some things being better than others.
ECM is both a Caldari and Gallente thing. Gallente do dampers and Caldari actual ECM, but only a Gallente race gets (or did get pre-rookie boost) EW skills. Hybrid damage mods should really be Gallente, though. Caldari snipe and Gallente do damage. |
BravoFox
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Posted - 2007.03.27 05:29:00 -
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Incognito Data Interface may get "shafted" but... who is stopping you from buying multiple interfaces? It's not like you are only allowed to own one single interface. If you own all 12 interfaces, you can invent anything that has a T2 variant (except Drones and MSM's).
Yes, Invention Interfaces are supposed to be specific to the race that uses the module but that doesn't mean a Gallente Inventor can not buy an Esoteric Data Interface (or any other).
I think the only people who should be halfway upset are the ones that stumble upon the Incognito Data Interface BPC's. Even then, there are plenty of people out there who are actively looking for people to make an even trade for other types of Interface BPC's (including Incognito) so that they can complete their own collection of all 12 interfaces.
I guess what I am saying is, yes, it seems unbalanced (concerning modules) but it's really not a huge deal since your not limited to buying just your own race's interfaces.
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Jarne
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Posted - 2007.03.27 11:20:00 -
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Why are you complaining? It's not that you have to train Amarr Frigate, Amarr Cruiser and Amarr Battleship to be able to learn the Amarr Encryption skill and just use the Amarr interfaces (they're not even called "Amarr [...] Interface"). Just buy and learn the encryption skills you find best, it's not that hard. If you can skill one, you can skill all. So again, please, why are you complaining? Is it just that you do not want to have a skill in your list that begins with "Amarr ..."?
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Christopher Dalran
Gallente Deadly Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.27 15:51:00 -
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Gallente better get every single drone invention job. ------------------------------- C.D's Formula for success ------------------------------- Credit Card = Game Time Card Gametime Card = ISK Therefore Credit Card = ISK.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.03.27 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 27/03/2007 16:41:02
Originally by: Johnny ReeRee Edited by: Johnny ReeRee on 27/03/2007 02:38:39
Originally by: Nyphur
I will admit that it's not even since gallente get exhumers. But by no stretch of the imagination does that account for the uselessness of our module invention.
That's exactly what it does.
You want an even shot at module invention AND vastly more valuable ship invention?
Doesn't work like that, nor should it. You get MUCH better ship invention, probable eventual drone invention, and worse module invention. Not everything is balanced at the same level at the same time.
It's only more valuable because hulks were cartelled. When the prices come down to a reasonable level due to invention, we both know that your argument stops being effective.
Originally by: Jarne Why are you complaining? It's not that you have to train Amarr Frigate, Amarr Cruiser and Amarr Battleship to be able to learn the Amarr Encryption skill and just use the Amarr interfaces (they're not even called "Amarr [...] Interface"). Just buy and learn the encryption skills you find best, it's not that hard. If you can skill one, you can skill all. So again, please, why are you complaining? Is it just that you do not want to have a skill in your list that begins with "Amarr ..."?
I already own the amarr and minmatar interfaces, including ship and tuner, and have had all the skills trained up since before invention was even considered. I'm inventing amarr stuff right now because gallente stuff isn't worth inventing. I'm complaining because when the gallente module data interface is less useful, gallente invention as a whole is worth less. Once the impact of hulk invention subsides, prices on gallente invention products such as decryptors, the data interface and the encryption methods skill will show a marked decrease, unbalancing the rewards from exploration away from the people that live there.
And for the record, I don't live in gallente 0.0. I'm moving into Amarr 0.0 because once the hulk madness has subsided, the things I could collect exploring in gallente 0.0 would be worth a lot less than amarr.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.03.27 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 27/03/2007 16:40:43 damn doublepost
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Jabazz
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Posted - 2007.03.27 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Jabazz Relax.
Drones have yet to be released as Tech2. I imagine when they are, it will be under Gallente and we'll have balance.
Drones and ammo are intentionally non-inventable. And drones are racial, so only thermal ones should be gallente.
Did they explain why they did this (non-inventable)? Also, I'm an idiot for forgetting about the drones being racial, thank you for reminding me!
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