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pajedas
Special Activities Division
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:24:04 -
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- Have a great product G£ö
- Launch it properly G£ö
- Maintain said product G£ö
- Listen to your customer base Gì+
- Evolve G£ö
- Keep your ego out of it Gì+
- Broaden one's horizons Gì+
I love Eve Online GÖÑ
That being said, CCP needs to stop listening to a small, vocal group of players. If enough people want to practice a particular play style, let them! It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.
You can have Actual High Security Space. You can have Actual Low Security Space. You can have Actual Zero Security Space.
Let the players decide where they want to be. What are you afraid of? Eve subscriptions would skyrocket!
Eve Online is a Universe. It can offer pretty much everything! Don't tell people that the only way they can be safe is to stay docked. That's just stupid. You may as well say, "just don't log in" which leads to, "just quit".
Is that what CCP wants? Is that what Novator Partners and the American investment fund General Catalyst Partners wants?
I doubt it.
*G£ö = Check Mark **Gì+ = Not Check Mark *** Please keep your comments on topic **** The difference between the troll and the non-troll is that the troll is trying to GÇ£win.GÇ¥ The non-troll, in contrast, is trying to be understood and (ideally) to understand. ThatGÇÖs the difference between a debate and discussion. credit: John Halstead
Gÿà FACT: Gankers make up 87.5% of the Trolls in E.O. Forums Gÿà
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:26:52 -
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And here come the small, vocal group of players. To tell you how wrong you are. |
Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
515
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:30:36 -
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pajedas wrote:
- Have a great product G£ö
- Launch it properly G£ö
- Maintain said product G£ö
- Listen to your customer base Gì+
- Evolve G£ö
- Keep your ego out of it Gì+
- Broaden one's horizons Gì+
I love Eve Online GÖÑThat being said, CCP needs to stop listening to a small, vocal group of players. If enough people want to practice a particular play style, let them! It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. You can have Actual High Security Space. You can have Actual Low Security Space. You can have Actual Zero Security Space. Let the players decide where they want to be. What are you afraid of? Eve subscriptions would skyrocket!
Eve Online is a Universe. It can offer pretty much everything! Don't tell people that the only way they can be safe is to stay docked. That's just stupid. You may as well say, "just don't log in" which leads to, "just quit". Is that what CCP wants? Is that what Novator Partners and the American investment fund General Catalyst Partners wants? I doubt it. *G£ö = Check Mark**Gì+ = Not Check Mark*** Please keep your comments on topic **** The difference between the troll and the non-troll is that the troll is trying to GÇ£win.GÇ¥ The non-troll, in contrast, is trying to be understood and (ideally) to understand. ThatGÇÖs the difference between a debate and discussion. credit: John Halstead
Huh? Not sure exactly what your getting at because I'm a bit obtuse, players already decide where they want to be, if you are on about the 1,000's upon 1,000's of threads about people being free to have free wack a mole they do, nothing stops anyone from shooting anyone else (except noob griefing), many -10 fly around EVE in high sec...not sure what you mean.
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Paranoid Loyd
9709
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:45:16 -
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What a ******* hypocrite.
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
18700
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:47:46 -
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Whooooh boyos, he's super serious about this. Look ,he even has little tic mark emoji's.
Praposal:Un-F**k Locator Agents
Praposal:Un-F**k NPC Corps
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1326
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:49:05 -
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pajedas wrote:
- Have a great product G£ö
- Launch it properly G£ö
- Maintain said product G£ö
- Listen to your customer base Gì+
- Evolve G£ö
- Keep your ego out of it Gì+
- Broaden one's horizons Gì+
I love Eve Online GÖÑThat being said, CCP needs to stop listening to a small, vocal group of players. If enough people want to practice a particular play style, let them! It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. You can have Actual High Security Space. You can have Actual Low Security Space. You can have Actual Zero Security Space. Let the players decide where they want to be. What are you afraid of? Eve subscriptions would skyrocket!
Eve Online is a Universe. It can offer pretty much everything! Don't tell people that the only way they can be safe is to stay docked. That's just stupid. You may as well say, "just don't log in" which leads to, "just quit". Is that what CCP wants? Is that what Novator Partners and the American investment fund General Catalyst Partners wants? I doubt it. *G£ö = Check Mark**Gì+ = Not Check Mark*** Please keep your comments on topic **** The difference between the troll and the non-troll is that the troll is trying to GÇ£win.GÇ¥ The non-troll, in contrast, is trying to be understood and (ideally) to understand. ThatGÇÖs the difference between a debate and discussion. credit: John Halstead
Here's a better version:
1. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you where to start 2. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you how to do it 3. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you how to keep it 4. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you how to receive feedback properly 5. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you when to do it 6. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you why you should do it 7. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you how to plan for it
Bloody marketing.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Chapo Muerte
The Conference Elite CODE.
45
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:50:50 -
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here come the antiganker tears complaining that high sec isn't safe enough XD
Maybe move out of uedama so you don't get to see freighters blowing up in your face non-stop daily. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2473
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:53:30 -
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Piugattuk wrote:
Huh? Not sure exactly what your getting at because I'm a bit obtuse, players already decide where they want to be, if you are on about the 1,000's upon 1,000's of threads about people being free to have free wack a mole they do, nothing stops anyone from shooting anyone else (except noob griefing), many -10 fly around EVE in high sec...not sure what you mean.
That's because you're not familiar with the OP, who suffers from a terminal case of stage 4 butthurt re: suicide ganking. It's all he ever posts about. All indications are its all he ever thinks about.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
278
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Posted - 2016.10.19 23:05:02 -
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LOL.
Because I defend a good idea you think I'm a victim?
That just goes to show how uninformed this group of trolls is.
Looks like I'm ahead to me...
Gÿà FACT: Gankers make up 87.5% of the Trolls in E.O. Forums Gÿà
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Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union SONS of BANE
567
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Posted - 2016.10.19 23:09:08 -
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I think what OP means is that there should be a place in new Eden where everyone can play the game how he want's (Mining, Missionrunning, etc.) without getting disturbed by groups that have another playstyle (Suicide ganking, PvP, Ninja-Looting, etc.) and so "sabotage" the experience for them.
In my opinion, this would absolutely destroy the Sandbox experience and kill Eve within months. A big part of Eve is to find your "niche", overcome obstacles, finding other Players / friends with the same playstyle and prevail against the odds of this Universe.
That sweet, sweet moment when you finaly can get your revenge on that guy that ganked you so often in your mining barge in an asteroid belt... Or shot your Missionrunner Ship... Because you learned and fitted a scrambler, a good tank and called your friends in.... That's the kind of experience that hooks you up for Eve for a very, very long time.
And most of all, it provides content not just for you, but for a whole bunch of other players. It would be borring. |
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2474
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Posted - 2016.10.19 23:27:20 -
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pajedas wrote:LOL. Because I defend a good idea you think I'm a victim? That just goes to show how uninformed this group of trolls is. Looks like I'm ahead to me...
"I'm elite. Tell me, mom!"
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1194
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Posted - 2016.10.19 23:33:16 -
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pajedas wrote:**** The difference between the troll and the non-troll is that the troll is trying to GÇ£win.GÇ¥
pajedas wrote:Looks like I'm ahead to me...
Says it all really.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1625
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Posted - 2016.10.19 23:59:19 -
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pajedas wrote:bunch of stuff
So much advice, but i'm willing to bet you've never designed, released or maintained anything. Please drop a multi-paragraph essay about your expertise on the thread, i could use a laugh.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
278
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Posted - 2016.10.20 00:01:16 -
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Rovinia wrote:I think what OP means is that there should be a place in new Eden where everyone can play the game how he want's (Mining, Missionrunning, etc.) without getting disturbed by groups that have another playstyle (Suicide ganking, PvP, Ninja-Looting, etc.) and so "sabotage" the experience for them.
In my opinion, this would absolutely destroy the Sandbox experience and kill Eve within months. A big part of Eve is to find your "niche", overcome obstacles, finding other Players / friends with the same playstyle and prevail against the odds of this Universe.
That sweet, sweet moment when you finaly can get your revenge on that guy that ganked you so often in your mining barge in an asteroid belt... Or shot your Missionrunner Ship... Because you learned and fitted a scrambler, a good tank and called your friends in.... That's the kind of experience that hooks you up for Eve for a very, very long time.
And most of all, it provides content not just for you, but for a whole bunch of other players. Eve would be very borring without it. Thanks for the constructive feedback. Very well put.
My response: It's a big Universe. If someone wants to be left alone, you can't fault them for that.
They shouldn't have to sit in a station...
Gÿà FACT: Gankers make up 87.5% of the Trolls in E.O. Forums Gÿà
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
278
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Posted - 2016.10.20 00:03:50 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:So much advice, but i'm willing to bet you've never designed, released or maintained anything. Please drop a multi-paragraph essay about your expertise on the thread, i could use a laugh. Look down.
Gÿà FACT: Gankers make up 87.5% of the Trolls in E.O. Forums Gÿà
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
629
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Posted - 2016.10.20 00:06:29 -
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Welcome to New Eden
@lunettelulu7
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
280
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Posted - 2016.10.20 00:16:38 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:Welcome to New Eden You're a little late for that, but thanks.
Gÿà FACT: Gankers make up 87.5% of the Trolls in E.O. Forums Gÿà
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18319
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Posted - 2016.10.20 00:22:39 -
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pajedas wrote: Thanks for the constructive feedback. Very well put.
My response: It's a big Universe. If someone wants to be left alone, you can't fault them for that.
They shouldn't have to sit in a station...
They don't, they are free and able to go play EVE alone. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
45195
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Posted - 2016.10.20 00:24:24 -
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pajedas wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:Welcome to New Eden You're a little late for that, but thanks. Wrapped up in Lulu's post is the message that New Eden is what it is. It isn't something else.
Your OP seems to be proposing that New Eden should be something different, that what it is, isn't ok.
The view that changing Eve to something different would lead to skyrocketing subscription doesn't necessarily follow. There are already other games that offer something different to Eve. If Eve changes to become more like one of those, doesn't it risk alienating its existing customers; and just put it in direct competition for subscribers with gamers that don't have a subscription and/or which already have those extra customers?
How would changing Eve suddenly lead to askyrocketing number of subscriptions? What is the basis for that?
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14841
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Posted - 2016.10.20 00:53:04 -
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Rovinia wrote:I think what OP means is that there should be a place in new Eden where everyone can play the game how he want's (Mining, Missionrunning, etc.) without getting disturbed by groups that have another playstyle (Suicide ganking, PvP, Ninja-Looting, etc.) and so "sabotage" the experience for them.
In my opinion, this would absolutely destroy the Sandbox experience and kill Eve within months. A big part of Eve is to find your "niche", overcome obstacles, finding other Players / friends with the same playstyle and prevail against the odds of this Universe.
That sweet, sweet moment when you finaly can get your revenge on that guy that ganked you so often in your mining barge in an asteroid belt... Or shot your Missionrunner Ship... Because you learned and fitted a scrambler, a good tank and called your friends in.... That's the kind of experience that hooks you up for Eve for a very, very long time.
And most of all, it provides content not just for you, but for a whole bunch of other players. Eve would be very borring without it.
Its amazing that some people don't get that. The only thing that gives anything in EVE any value is danger, and in EVE, other people are the danger.
Every time I see that recurring bit of stupidity about "high sec should be totally safe", I remember all those idiots who proclaimed some new game was gonna kill EVE, and they loudly left for those new games, only to silently slink back when they found out that safety in a |
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Zak'eni
Revolutionary Socialialist Party of Amarr
9
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Posted - 2016.10.20 04:15:50 -
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While there might be some merit in rethinking how high security works, and also how it works with regards to -10.0 sec status, making it a super safe opposition free dream land is not the way to go about it. |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2016.10.20 04:22:30 -
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Zak'eni wrote:While there might be some merit in rethinking how high security works, and also how it works with regards to -10.0 sec status, making it a super safe opposition free dream land is not the way to go about it. You are very right.
It needs to be not even safer just more balanced between risk and reward.
going to -10 is no real risk, losing a destroyer is no real risk, however the rewards are great between freighters and even exhumers you are breaking even on ganks.
Their is no risk and their is no real reward for anti-gank hunters, their ships and worth bugger all and you might get some bounty money if anyone was silly enough to throw good money after bad.
They just need to fix the risk vs reward and make Hi-sec more balanced. |
Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
101
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Posted - 2016.10.20 04:56:45 -
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pajedas wrote: Is that what Novator Partners and the American investment fund General Catalyst Partners wants?
I doubt it.
Well, they're called Catalyst partners for a reason. People want different things from their investments. Some people expect quick profits, some people just want to shiptoast, so what? |
Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
115
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Posted - 2016.10.20 05:19:43 -
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Can someone tell me exactly when this fascination with high-sec safety become such a thing? I remember the reason I joined was the expectation of danger everywhere, even in the safest spots. The thrill of success of holding your ground or outsmarting your competition. Now it's all "let me crawl in my corner and leave me alone". |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
2850
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Posted - 2016.10.20 06:01:29 -
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pajedas wrote:That being said, CCP needs to stop listening to a small, vocal group of players. If enough people want to practice a particular play style, let them! It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. CCP develops their single-universe PvP how they choose. Sure, they seek input and direction from the community of players, but it is the company who is responsible for the game design decisions and it is their employees and shareholders whose livelihoods and assets depend on it's continued success. There is not some small cabal of players in some dark room pulling the strings and making CCP make decisions and take directions that it does not want to do.
Feel free to invent conspiracy theories and direct your anger against other players for the fact the product is something else than what you personally want, but it is CCP who should be the target of your discontent. It was CCP who set out to design a full-time, competitive PvP sandbox game so many years ago. It is CCP is continues to follow that vision and make an everyone vs. everyone game where nowhere is safe, and the whole world can be considered a PvP zone. Besides, from all accounts it seems that it is the players begging for CCP to rework their PvP sandbox into a theme-park game for them that are in the minority.
pajedas wrote:You can have Actual High Security Space. You can have Actual Low Security Space. You can have Actual Zero Security Space. We already have that. Highsec is very safe: it is almost impossible to die in highsec if you take any active steps to protect yourself. Lowesec is much riskier, but there is still some protection from certain weapons, and punishment for illegal acts, and there is space where there is none of that. Players can choose where they want to play.
It's true there is no safesec, but there never was intended to be in New Eden. I don't see how you have contrived a history of Eve where a "small, vocal group of players" got safesec removed from the game or something.
pajedas wrote:Eve Online is a Universe. It can offer pretty much everything! Don't tell people that the only way they can be safe is to stay docked. That's just stupid. You may as well say, "just don't log in" which leads to, "just quit". No it can't really. A "safe space* and a full-time, open world PvP sandbox are indeed mutually exclusive. You can't give a safe, useful space in this type of game without it being overrun by veteran players looking to make an invulnerable income source depriving the game of conflict and content.
I suggest you leave the game design to the professionals and just worry about finding a game that suits your wants and needs, instead of agitating for game developers to toss out their vision and tailor their game specifically to you. That might mean that Eve Online is not for you, like it is not the game for the majority of gamers out there. There is no shame in that - different strokes for different folks and all that.
The 8 Golden Rules of Eve
Why Do They Gank?
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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2016.10.20 07:01:52 -
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When I read posters write about sandbox I cannot stop to laugh thinking about the "sandbox" events like the Blood Raiders one and how it's almost impossible to find a empty site because "sandbox" players are creating content farming the sites like madness for the loots...
Don't be ridicoluos please.....
You are strict sandbox players when it's useful to you------ easy ganking
You're World of warcraft farmers when it's useful to you ----- CCP events with tasty loot |
Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
3569
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Posted - 2016.10.20 07:03:45 -
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can we make this a meme?
Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Your killboard reads like a "how to get farmed 101" - Noah Reese
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Gogela
Heh...
3357
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Posted - 2016.10.20 07:22:31 -
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I want to post a **** and balls render so badly... SO badly.
...but I'm trying to be a better forum poster. I'm reformed motherfrackers.
Still.
Signatures should be used responsibly...
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1626
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Posted - 2016.10.20 08:23:36 -
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pajedas wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:So much advice, but i'm willing to bet you've never designed, released or maintained anything. Please drop a multi-paragraph essay about your expertise on the thread, i could use a laugh. Look down.
Nah, seriously, even though when i'm at a rave it's great to listen to people talk about DJing and make suggestions, i still need to see from what basis you're saying that your suggestions would be good for the game. Just calling me a troll doesn't help your case one bit.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Myles Wong
Mallaks Brown Grotto Raiders
33
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Posted - 2016.10.20 08:26:05 -
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I'm confused. *popcorn* |
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Jagd Wilde
The Scope Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2016.10.20 08:49:47 -
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I am suprised pejedus has not embarrassed himself out of EVE yet. He's a very salty and angry player, usually they self destruct early on. |
Harok Dunaila
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.10.20 09:01:49 -
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Rovinia wrote:I think what OP means is that there should be a place in new Eden where everyone can play the game how he want's (Mining, Missionrunning, etc.) without getting disturbed by groups that have another playstyle (Suicide ganking, PvP, Ninja-Looting, etc.) and so "sabotage" the experience for them.
In my opinion, this would absolutely destroy the Sandbox experience and kill Eve within months. A big part of Eve is to find your "niche", overcome obstacles, finding other Players / friends with the same playstyle and prevail against the odds of this Universe.
That sweet, sweet moment when you finaly can get your revenge on that guy that ganked you so often in your mining barge in an asteroid belt... Or shot your Missionrunner Ship... Because you learned and fitted a scrambler, a good tank and called your friends in.... That's the kind of experience that hooks you up for Eve for a very, very long time.
And most of all, it provides content not just for you, but for a whole bunch of other players. Eve would be very borring without it.
I think it will be the other way around, i played 7 years wow on a pvp server, i achieved even the highest rank in vanilla wow, thats 0,5% on 9 million players. (sleeping 4 hours a day :\ when you log in you get tons of ppls asking you for 'content', since i had the badass pvp gear) I still have friends who play wow they moved to a pve server now, if you have less time and not the pvp gear it is not that much fun anymore. Most people play on pve servers, they want to do their thing when they come home from school or work, i understand it well, enough drama, you play/ pay for your enjoyment not someone else theirs. So in my opinion you will get alot more subscription if high sec is really high sec. I my self moved to nullsec at the moment, learning the game step by step. Still sometimes i jump to high sec since i do not want to be bothered watching local. Usually after a night out or not 100% sober....
And Pajeda, you are a real hero, nice killboard shooting the people who do not belong in high sec... |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18323
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Posted - 2016.10.20 09:12:09 -
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Harok Dunaila wrote:
I think it will be the other way around, i played 7 years wow on a pvp server, i achieved even the highest rank in vanilla wow, thats 0,5% on 9 million players. (sleeping 4 hours a day :\ when you log in you get tons of ppls asking you for 'content', since i had the badass pvp gear) I still have friends who play wow they moved to a pve server now, if you have less time and not the pvp gear it is not that much fun anymore. Most people play on pve servers, they want to do their thing when they come home from school or work, i understand it well, enough drama, you play/ pay for your enjoyment not someone else theirs. So in my opinion you will get alot more subscription if high sec is really high sec. I my self moved to nullsec at the moment, learning the game step by step. Still sometimes i jump to high sec since i do not want to be bothered watching local. Usually after a night out or not 100% sober....
And Pajeda, you are a real hero, nice killboard shooting the people who do not belong in high sec...
Exact opposite.
CCP have found 85% of new people who quit do so having done no PvP. At the same time people who lose their ships to ganking are more likely to stay with the game for much longer. We have also seen subs drop as PvP has been removed from highsec over the last 5 years while the time before that EVE did nothing but grow every year making it the only MMO to see that kind of growth in the market while countless other MMOs that followed the PvE model all bled the bulk of their subs a matter of months after launching.
Looking at the evidence we have it all points to CCP needing to add more PvP to highsec not less. We need all of that content that has been removed returned to highsec. |
Harok Dunaila
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.10.20 10:09:45 -
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baltec1 wrote:Harok Dunaila wrote:
I think it will be the other way around, i played 7 years wow on a pvp server, i achieved even the highest rank in vanilla wow, thats 0,5% on 9 million players. (sleeping 4 hours a day :\ when you log in you get tons of ppls asking you for 'content', since i had the badass pvp gear) I still have friends who play wow they moved to a pve server now, if you have less time and not the pvp gear it is not that much fun anymore. Most people play on pve servers, they want to do their thing when they come home from school or work, i understand it well, enough drama, you play/ pay for your enjoyment not someone else theirs. So in my opinion you will get alot more subscription if high sec is really high sec. I my self moved to nullsec at the moment, learning the game step by step. Still sometimes i jump to high sec since i do not want to be bothered watching local. Usually after a night out or not 100% sober....
And Pajeda, you are a real hero, nice killboard shooting the people who do not belong in high sec...
Exact opposite. CCP have found 85% of new people who quit do so having done no PvP. At the same time people who lose their ships to ganking are more likely to stay with the game for much longer. We have also seen subs drop as PvP has been removed from highsec over the last 5 years while the time before that EVE did nothing but grow every year making it the only MMO to see that kind of growth in the market while countless other MMOs that followed the PvE model all bled the bulk of their subs a matter of months after launching. Looking at the evidence we have it all points to CCP needing to add more PvP to highsec not less. We need all of that content that has been removed returned to highsec.
https://www.vg247.com/2016/09/05/concurrent-player-numbers-in-world-of-warcraft-are-highest-theyve-been-in-several-years-thanks-to-legion/ seems wow is doing good, still is the biggest mmo, which eve never has been. Only the pvp people with huge assets are still in this game, all the other 'pve' minded people left, since they see it as a waist of time... grind get shot lose it all, grind again get shot lose it all, rince and repeat.... Your 'content' from the past was a joke thats why they changed sovereignty, it was one alliance renting everything to other peoples, ok for a free game, not when you pay for a subscription....
If i am wrong, why are most people that play (this dying game) in highsec ? Even you say it is not as good as before. You are a pvp guy in the best pvp alliance atm... That is an easy position for you to talk about, talk to people who are at the other side. Broke no money for a ship and noone to back them up.... so in that position this game is a waist of time if you can not safely build up something without losing it, since that is fun for the pvp people but not for the pve guy who just wants to fly a fancy spaceship. It is after all a game in space about spaceships... In time the pve people will eventually have many ships if it would be safe and then start risking ships for better rewards going lower security areas, but hey it is all to CCP and the pvp minded community which is always the smaller part of the players if a game has pvp or pve options. Same with playing diablo hardcore or softcore, few play hardcore (1 life, dead, lose character & gear). While once you play hardcore you will get adrenaline rushes flowing through you like every 2 minutes, softcore you fall asleep on your keyboard. But still most people play softcore, it is just the way it works in these games... |
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2016.10.20 10:23:53 -
[35] - Quote
I was going to write something fancy in reply to the OP, but (as usual) Black Pedro got there first.
So Padejas, all I have is this; a snippet of anatomy you'd do well to ponder.
If you travel far enough up your own alimentary canal, you'll reach your mouth; there, you'll be able to exit in the form of words and phrases, all quite tainted, however, with whatever you've gathered along the way.
But you, Padejas, appear not to let this discourage you, for here you are again, using the forums as a soap-box for your eccentric ideas.
And bathing it all with an odour the origin of which I've sought to describe, above. |
Commander Spurty
1650
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Posted - 2016.10.20 10:30:30 -
[36] - Quote
I logged in purely to give the first two posts on this thread a like lol
There are good ships,
And wood ships,
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Commander Spurty
1650
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Posted - 2016.10.20 10:36:51 -
[37] - Quote
sec should probably matter in game, but it really doesn't.
Remove all asteroid belts from high sec and make wardecs free is what I'm reading in-between the lines here.
Sounds good to me, but that's because I'm insulated from it lol
There are good ships,
And wood ships,
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1357
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Posted - 2016.10.20 10:37:38 -
[38] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Whooooh boyos, he's super serious about this. Look ,he even has little tic mark emoji's.
Well, internet spaceships is srs bsns
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1357
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Posted - 2016.10.20 10:39:52 -
[39] - Quote
Chapo Muerte wrote:here come the antiganker tears complaining that high sec isn't safe enough XD
Maybe move out of uedama so you don't get to see freighters blowing up in your face non-stop daily.
There's nothing wrong with Uedama that some proper planning and use of the available tools can't fix.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1627
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Posted - 2016.10.20 10:43:54 -
[40] - Quote
Confirming WOW players just don't get it and never will.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1358
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Posted - 2016.10.20 10:49:14 -
[41] - Quote
pajedas wrote: Gÿà FACT: Gankers make up 87.5% of the Trolls in E.O. Forums Gÿà
Clicked link expecting statistical evidence. Got Morpheus meme. Had a giggle but still...
[citation needed]
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1358
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Posted - 2016.10.20 11:02:18 -
[42] - Quote
Harok Dunaila wrote: seems wow is doing good, still is the biggest mmo, which eve never has been.
And it never will be. Eve has always been, and will always be, a niche game that only appeals to a specific mindset of gamer. Despite that, it has survived and grown for thirteen years.
Trying to compare Eve and Wow just because they're both MMOs is like is nonsensical. It's like comparing apples and car tires because they are both vaguely round. They are fundamentally different games built on different concepts of what the game should ultimately be.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Knitram Relik
Atomic Amish
64
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Posted - 2016.10.20 11:38:53 -
[43] - Quote
pajedas wrote:Carebear rant #314,159
That's not what Eve has ever been about. Sack up or go play World of Whatever-the-hell-it's-called.
[WTS] - Signature. 500 mil ISK
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2016.10.20 11:40:22 -
[44] - Quote
Knitram Relik wrote:pajedas wrote:Carebear rant #314,159 That's not what Eve has ever been about. Sack up or go play World of Whatever-the-hell-it's-called. A lot of people did so now we have free to play.
Yeah thanks for that. |
Ivan Starikov
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.10.20 11:44:20 -
[45] - Quote
8. Deleting ingame browser. 9. Make 3-4 ingame moneycoming 10. Priority = 100500 new skins for ships 11..... |
Session 1
Smokin' Aces.
4
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Posted - 2016.10.20 13:06:16 -
[46] - Quote
As a new (returning, under 5m SP) player it is quite obvious that the high sec gank/grief mechanics are cancer to this game. Please note I have never experience ganking or greifing as ive always been in null or low sec myself.
"Player freedom" doesn't mean you should have the ability to harass/gank players in the lawful areas of the game. And the NPC faction should project their power to stop wars in areas they control, in reality these wars would be bad for their stability and economy.
In a game with respawns, "player freedom" should not mean "ability to do whatever you want with no real consequences".
Gankers/griefers are bad for the health of games...just look at gaming history.
****when I say gankers/griefers I am talking about those preying upon people that want to play in safe(low reward) areas and have no desire for pvp. |
pajedas
Special Activities Division
319
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Posted - 2016.10.20 13:19:36 -
[47] - Quote
Session 1 wrote:Gankers/griefers are bad for the health of games...just look at gaming history. Exactly. Give the players a choice. By not doing so you're just saying, "we don't care if you spend your money here or not".
This is "NOT" a great business model.
Gÿà FACT: Gankers make up 87.5% of the Trolls in E.O. Forums Gÿà
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1327
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Posted - 2016.10.20 13:45:46 -
[48] - Quote
Session 1 wrote:As a new (returning, under 5m SP) player it is quite obvious that the high sec gank/grief mechanics are cancer to this game. Please note I have never experience ganking or greifing as ive always been in null or low sec myself.
"Player freedom" doesn't mean you should have the ability to harass/gank players in the lawful areas of the game. And the NPC faction should project their power to stop wars in areas they control, in reality these wars would be bad for their stability and economy.
In a game with respawns, "player freedom" should not mean "ability to do whatever you want with no real consequences".
Gankers/griefers are bad for the health of games...just look at gaming history.
****when I say gankers/griefers I am talking about those preying upon people that want to play in safe(low reward) areas and have no desire for pvp.
"I want freedom but please limit the freedom of other people for me because I think they're bad".
Typical carebear.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Valkin Mordirc
2609
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Posted - 2016.10.20 13:55:07 -
[49] - Quote
"Don't listen to the small vocal playerbase"
"I know whats best for EVE"
"Listen to me"
#DeleteTheWeak
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DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
302
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Posted - 2016.10.20 13:59:35 -
[50] - Quote
Steps for Success in Eve-Online:
1. Mining: Use a Procurer and mine in island .5 security systems.
2.Don't buy mining permits.
3.Don't get ganked.
4.Don't get podded.
Because I know whats best for Eve-Online. |
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Jagd Wilde
The Scope Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2016.10.20 14:04:11 -
[51] - Quote
pajedas wrote:Session 1 wrote:Gankers/griefers are bad for the health of games...just look at gaming history. Exactly. Give the players a choice. By not doing so you're just saying, "we don't care if you spend your money here or not". This is "NOT" a great business model.
Not a great business model for keeping certain types of players, no. So ask yourself why you fit that category, change your flawed views about what EVE really is, become a player CCP wants to keep. |
Jagd Wilde
The Scope Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2016.10.20 14:05:32 -
[52] - Quote
DrysonBennington wrote:Steps for Success in Eve-Online:
1. Mining: Use a Procurer and mine in island .5 security systems.
2.Don't buy mining permits.
3.Don't get ganked.
4.Don't get podded.
Because I know whats best for Eve-Online.
5. Never not scissor
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
357
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Posted - 2016.10.20 14:24:01 -
[53] - Quote
pajedas wrote:LOL. Looks like I'm ahead to me...
Quote: **** The difference between the troll and the non-troll is that the troll is trying to GÇ£win.GÇ¥ The non-troll, in contrast, is trying to be understood and (ideally) to understand. ThatGÇÖs the difference between a debate and discussion. credit: John Halstead
Just sayin'...
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14845
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Posted - 2016.10.20 14:27:33 -
[54] - Quote
Cien Banchiere wrote:Can someone tell me exactly when this fascination with high-sec safety become such a thing?
2003
Quote: I remember the reason I joined was the expectation of danger everywhere, even in the safest spots. The thrill of success of holding your ground or outsmarting your competition. Now it's all "let me crawl in my corner and leave me alone".
It's not a new thing. I started playing in 2007 and people were complaining loudly on various forums then about how ganking in high sec (and stuff like can flipping and what came to be known as awoxxiong etc etc) was going to eventually kill EVE.
The ironic thing was that EVE was growing back then, which they (the "moar safety now!" types) ignored that and kept to the mantra that EVE needed more safety to bring in more people. CCP implemented lots of new safety measures , like the actual safeties that don't let you agress anyone unless you are sure you want to, and pop ups that prevent you from doing things like accidentally jumping into low sec or even leaving a station without a mission-critical item. Eventually,the MMO that grew year by year while most of the rest of the MMO world was in decline started to stall, then decline itself, imo not because of any 'griefing' but because of a misguided attempt to mainstream a game that can't be mainstreamed. EVE doesn't work as a hand holding "everyone should be happy" game.
The most annoying thing of it all is how somehow the same people who always said that 'griefing' was going to kill EVE saw all that as "look, I was right, see!". |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1364
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Posted - 2016.10.20 14:46:27 -
[55] - Quote
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:pajedas wrote:LOL. Looks like I'm ahead to me... Quote: **** The difference between the troll and the non-troll is that the troll is trying to GÇ£win.GÇ¥ The non-troll, in contrast, is trying to be understood and (ideally) to understand. ThatGÇÖs the difference between a debate and discussion. credit: John Halstead
Just sayin'... --Gadget
Never not point out the hypocrisy of others.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2478
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Posted - 2016.10.20 14:52:01 -
[56] - Quote
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:pajedas wrote:LOL. Looks like I'm ahead to me... Quote: **** The difference between the troll and the non-troll is that the troll is trying to GÇ£win.GÇ¥ The non-troll, in contrast, is trying to be understood and (ideally) to understand. ThatGÇÖs the difference between a debate and discussion. credit: John Halstead
Just sayin'... --Gadget
Additionally, this was posted in response to my pointing out that he's absolutely obsessed with suicide gankers.
I'm not sure that, "Nuh uh, here's my killboard with all of the kills me and my buddy Concord score on suicide gankers all-day every-day, I'M WINNING I'M A WINNER I'M ELITE!" is the efficacious counterpoint as he imagined.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
320
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Posted - 2016.10.20 14:52:53 -
[57] - Quote
Elenahina wrote:Never not point out the hypocrisy of others. Apples and oranges little man, apples and oranges.
G¡É Who needs moderation? G¡É
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Revis Owen
The Conference Elite CODE.
416
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Posted - 2016.10.20 15:26:55 -
[58] - Quote
Rovinia wrote:I think what OP means is that there should be a place in new Eden where everyone can play the game how he want's (Mining, Missionrunning, etc.) without getting disturbed by groups that have another playstyle (Suicide ganking, PvP, Ninja-Looting, etc.) and so "sabotage" the experience for them.
The way I want to play the game is to protect highsec asteroids and NPCs from unlicensed harvesting without getting disturbed by groups that have another playstyle (unlicensed Mining, unlicensed Missionrunning, etc.) and sabotaging my experience.
Thank you for affirming that there should be a place in new Eden where I can play the game how I want.
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Mining Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
304
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Posted - 2016.10.20 15:33:40 -
[59] - Quote
pajedas wrote: Give the players a choice. By not doing so you're just saying, "we don't care if you spend your money here or not".
This is "NOT" a great business model.
When you try to please everyone, you please no one. I'm going to go to Salad Works at lunch today and demand they start serving burritos, because by not serving burritos, they're telling me they don't want my money, and that's bad business. |
Jitatradere
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.10.20 15:35:27 -
[60] - Quote
1, Biomass Fozzie with Entosing 2. Introduce anti-blobbing mechanics SOMEHOW 3. Make PVP button in Jita, let AT for everyone everyday 4. More modules for ship improvement 5. Remake BS platform to be more viable 6. Bring back ******* Jukebox! 7. Introduce yellow and white Raven skins |
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2484
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Posted - 2016.10.20 15:47:57 -
[61] - Quote
Session 1 wrote:
Gankers/griefers are bad for the health of games...just look at gaming history.
Sorry, but you're going to have to do better than just making a blanket statement and telling everyone else to study it out.
Things are rarely that cut and dry. If someone says high prices are bad for demand, they would mostly be correct... but then there are Veblen Goods.
In the abstract, this thread is basically complaining that a boutique store isn't Walmart, or that a trendy local restaurant isn't McDonald's.
The thing that differentiates them is the precise reason they have customers at all. If they try to emulate their mainstream counterparts, they generally don't steal market share from them - they lose what they had, instead.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Insistence
State Imperial Academy
1
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Posted - 2016.10.20 16:02:04 -
[62] - Quote
pajedas wrote:
- Have a great product G£ö
- Launch it properly G£ö
- Maintain said product G£ö
- Listen to your customer base Gì+
- Evolve G£ö
- Keep your ego out of it Gì+
- Broaden one's horizons Gì+
I love Eve Online GÖÑThat being said, CCP needs to stop listening to a small, vocal group of players. If enough people want to practice a particular play style, let them! It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. You can have Actual High Security Space. You can have Actual Low Security Space. You can have Actual Zero Security Space. Let the players decide where they want to be. What are you afraid of? Eve subscriptions would skyrocket!
Eve Online is a Universe. It can offer pretty much everything! Don't tell people that the only way they can be safe is to stay docked. That's just stupid. You may as well say, "just don't log in" which leads to, "just quit". Is that what CCP wants? Is that what Novator Partners and the American investment fund General Catalyst Partners wants? I doubt it. *G£ö = Check Mark**Gì+ = Not Check Mark*** Please keep your comments on topic **** The difference between the troll and the non-troll is that the troll is trying to GÇ£win.GÇ¥ The non-troll, in contrast, is trying to be understood and (ideally) to understand. ThatGÇÖs the difference between a debate and discussion. credit: John Halstead
Your salt from having your spaceship popped is what makes this game worth playing to some people. Less QQ, more pew pew. |
Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra
55
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Posted - 2016.10.20 16:22:59 -
[63] - Quote
While most people will claim EVE is a PVP game, I always considered it a PVE game that only has a PVP server.
I moved over to EVE from ESO because the only way I could have fun in that game was PVE'ing on the pvp server, and realized that an entire game (EVE) is based around that kind of gameplay.
I don't understand why someone would look at EVE's 13 year history and say "it would be better if it was just another themepark MMO" Why not just drop EVE and go play the other themepark games?
Also, you already have completely safe space to rat and mine in. Its called the test server. No risk of ship loss due to unwanted PVP, no point to harvesting any resources since the market is 100% saturated with loot. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14851
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Posted - 2016.10.20 16:42:59 -
[64] - Quote
Zanar Skwigelf wrote:
Also, you already have completely safe space to rat and mine in. Its called the test server. No risk of ship loss due to unwanted PVP, no point to harvesting any resources since the market is 100% saturated with loot.
And here you reveal the not-so secret real agenda of the 'safety!' crowd. They aren't the least bit interested in avoiding ship loss or whatever. What they really want is advantage over other players, to have their cakes and eat them as well.
In this case, the advantage they want of being able to affect other people without running the risk of having other people interfere.
If all they wanted was to be left alone the Test server would be collapsing under the weight of all those logins. The irony of that is that if these "we need safety/I want to be left alone" people actually did play only on the Test server to get away from the 'griefers', that would signal to CCP that a live "PVE only" EVE server would be a viable thing.
(Related irony: all those people who post about how EVE must have avatar gameplay. Those same people stay in EVE (a spaceship only game) rather than vote with their dollars/time and go play one of the several space games that have some kind of avatar gameplay, signalling to CCP that they don't really need avatar gameplay ). |
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
7241
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Posted - 2016.10.20 16:53:40 -
[65] - Quote
Quote:Forum rules17. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread. 23. Post constructively.Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.
Thread closed.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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