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Jagd Wilde
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.20 08:49:47 -
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I am suprised pejedus has not embarrassed himself out of EVE yet. He's a very salty and angry player, usually they self destruct early on. |
Harok Dunaila
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.10.20 09:01:49 -
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Rovinia wrote:I think what OP means is that there should be a place in new Eden where everyone can play the game how he want's (Mining, Missionrunning, etc.) without getting disturbed by groups that have another playstyle (Suicide ganking, PvP, Ninja-Looting, etc.) and so "sabotage" the experience for them.
In my opinion, this would absolutely destroy the Sandbox experience and kill Eve within months. A big part of Eve is to find your "niche", overcome obstacles, finding other Players / friends with the same playstyle and prevail against the odds of this Universe.
That sweet, sweet moment when you finaly can get your revenge on that guy that ganked you so often in your mining barge in an asteroid belt... Or shot your Missionrunner Ship... Because you learned and fitted a scrambler, a good tank and called your friends in.... That's the kind of experience that hooks you up for Eve for a very, very long time.
And most of all, it provides content not just for you, but for a whole bunch of other players. Eve would be very borring without it.
I think it will be the other way around, i played 7 years wow on a pvp server, i achieved even the highest rank in vanilla wow, thats 0,5% on 9 million players. (sleeping 4 hours a day :\ when you log in you get tons of ppls asking you for 'content', since i had the badass pvp gear) I still have friends who play wow they moved to a pve server now, if you have less time and not the pvp gear it is not that much fun anymore. Most people play on pve servers, they want to do their thing when they come home from school or work, i understand it well, enough drama, you play/ pay for your enjoyment not someone else theirs. So in my opinion you will get alot more subscription if high sec is really high sec. I my self moved to nullsec at the moment, learning the game step by step. Still sometimes i jump to high sec since i do not want to be bothered watching local. Usually after a night out or not 100% sober....
And Pajeda, you are a real hero, nice killboard shooting the people who do not belong in high sec... |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18323
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Posted - 2016.10.20 09:12:09 -
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Harok Dunaila wrote:
I think it will be the other way around, i played 7 years wow on a pvp server, i achieved even the highest rank in vanilla wow, thats 0,5% on 9 million players. (sleeping 4 hours a day :\ when you log in you get tons of ppls asking you for 'content', since i had the badass pvp gear) I still have friends who play wow they moved to a pve server now, if you have less time and not the pvp gear it is not that much fun anymore. Most people play on pve servers, they want to do their thing when they come home from school or work, i understand it well, enough drama, you play/ pay for your enjoyment not someone else theirs. So in my opinion you will get alot more subscription if high sec is really high sec. I my self moved to nullsec at the moment, learning the game step by step. Still sometimes i jump to high sec since i do not want to be bothered watching local. Usually after a night out or not 100% sober....
And Pajeda, you are a real hero, nice killboard shooting the people who do not belong in high sec...
Exact opposite.
CCP have found 85% of new people who quit do so having done no PvP. At the same time people who lose their ships to ganking are more likely to stay with the game for much longer. We have also seen subs drop as PvP has been removed from highsec over the last 5 years while the time before that EVE did nothing but grow every year making it the only MMO to see that kind of growth in the market while countless other MMOs that followed the PvE model all bled the bulk of their subs a matter of months after launching.
Looking at the evidence we have it all points to CCP needing to add more PvP to highsec not less. We need all of that content that has been removed returned to highsec. |
Harok Dunaila
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.10.20 10:09:45 -
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baltec1 wrote:Harok Dunaila wrote:
I think it will be the other way around, i played 7 years wow on a pvp server, i achieved even the highest rank in vanilla wow, thats 0,5% on 9 million players. (sleeping 4 hours a day :\ when you log in you get tons of ppls asking you for 'content', since i had the badass pvp gear) I still have friends who play wow they moved to a pve server now, if you have less time and not the pvp gear it is not that much fun anymore. Most people play on pve servers, they want to do their thing when they come home from school or work, i understand it well, enough drama, you play/ pay for your enjoyment not someone else theirs. So in my opinion you will get alot more subscription if high sec is really high sec. I my self moved to nullsec at the moment, learning the game step by step. Still sometimes i jump to high sec since i do not want to be bothered watching local. Usually after a night out or not 100% sober....
And Pajeda, you are a real hero, nice killboard shooting the people who do not belong in high sec...
Exact opposite. CCP have found 85% of new people who quit do so having done no PvP. At the same time people who lose their ships to ganking are more likely to stay with the game for much longer. We have also seen subs drop as PvP has been removed from highsec over the last 5 years while the time before that EVE did nothing but grow every year making it the only MMO to see that kind of growth in the market while countless other MMOs that followed the PvE model all bled the bulk of their subs a matter of months after launching. Looking at the evidence we have it all points to CCP needing to add more PvP to highsec not less. We need all of that content that has been removed returned to highsec.
https://www.vg247.com/2016/09/05/concurrent-player-numbers-in-world-of-warcraft-are-highest-theyve-been-in-several-years-thanks-to-legion/ seems wow is doing good, still is the biggest mmo, which eve never has been. Only the pvp people with huge assets are still in this game, all the other 'pve' minded people left, since they see it as a waist of time... grind get shot lose it all, grind again get shot lose it all, rince and repeat.... Your 'content' from the past was a joke thats why they changed sovereignty, it was one alliance renting everything to other peoples, ok for a free game, not when you pay for a subscription....
If i am wrong, why are most people that play (this dying game) in highsec ? Even you say it is not as good as before. You are a pvp guy in the best pvp alliance atm... That is an easy position for you to talk about, talk to people who are at the other side. Broke no money for a ship and noone to back them up.... so in that position this game is a waist of time if you can not safely build up something without losing it, since that is fun for the pvp people but not for the pve guy who just wants to fly a fancy spaceship. It is after all a game in space about spaceships... In time the pve people will eventually have many ships if it would be safe and then start risking ships for better rewards going lower security areas, but hey it is all to CCP and the pvp minded community which is always the smaller part of the players if a game has pvp or pve options. Same with playing diablo hardcore or softcore, few play hardcore (1 life, dead, lose character & gear). While once you play hardcore you will get adrenaline rushes flowing through you like every 2 minutes, softcore you fall asleep on your keyboard. But still most people play softcore, it is just the way it works in these games... |
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2016.10.20 10:23:53 -
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I was going to write something fancy in reply to the OP, but (as usual) Black Pedro got there first.
So Padejas, all I have is this; a snippet of anatomy you'd do well to ponder.
If you travel far enough up your own alimentary canal, you'll reach your mouth; there, you'll be able to exit in the form of words and phrases, all quite tainted, however, with whatever you've gathered along the way.
But you, Padejas, appear not to let this discourage you, for here you are again, using the forums as a soap-box for your eccentric ideas.
And bathing it all with an odour the origin of which I've sought to describe, above. |
Commander Spurty
1650
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Posted - 2016.10.20 10:30:30 -
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I logged in purely to give the first two posts on this thread a like lol
There are good ships,
And wood ships,
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Commander Spurty
1650
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Posted - 2016.10.20 10:36:51 -
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sec should probably matter in game, but it really doesn't.
Remove all asteroid belts from high sec and make wardecs free is what I'm reading in-between the lines here.
Sounds good to me, but that's because I'm insulated from it lol
There are good ships,
And wood ships,
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1357
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Posted - 2016.10.20 10:37:38 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Whooooh boyos, he's super serious about this. Look ,he even has little tic mark emoji's.
Well, internet spaceships is srs bsns
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1357
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Posted - 2016.10.20 10:39:52 -
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Chapo Muerte wrote:here come the antiganker tears complaining that high sec isn't safe enough XD
Maybe move out of uedama so you don't get to see freighters blowing up in your face non-stop daily.
There's nothing wrong with Uedama that some proper planning and use of the available tools can't fix.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1627
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Posted - 2016.10.20 10:43:54 -
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Confirming WOW players just don't get it and never will.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1358
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Posted - 2016.10.20 10:49:14 -
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pajedas wrote: Gÿà FACT: Gankers make up 87.5% of the Trolls in E.O. Forums Gÿà
Clicked link expecting statistical evidence. Got Morpheus meme. Had a giggle but still...
[citation needed]
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1358
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Posted - 2016.10.20 11:02:18 -
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Harok Dunaila wrote: seems wow is doing good, still is the biggest mmo, which eve never has been.
And it never will be. Eve has always been, and will always be, a niche game that only appeals to a specific mindset of gamer. Despite that, it has survived and grown for thirteen years.
Trying to compare Eve and Wow just because they're both MMOs is like is nonsensical. It's like comparing apples and car tires because they are both vaguely round. They are fundamentally different games built on different concepts of what the game should ultimately be.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Knitram Relik
Atomic Amish
64
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Posted - 2016.10.20 11:38:53 -
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pajedas wrote:Carebear rant #314,159
That's not what Eve has ever been about. Sack up or go play World of Whatever-the-hell-it's-called.
[WTS] - Signature. 500 mil ISK
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2016.10.20 11:40:22 -
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Knitram Relik wrote:pajedas wrote:Carebear rant #314,159 That's not what Eve has ever been about. Sack up or go play World of Whatever-the-hell-it's-called. A lot of people did so now we have free to play.
Yeah thanks for that. |
Ivan Starikov
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.10.20 11:44:20 -
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8. Deleting ingame browser. 9. Make 3-4 ingame moneycoming 10. Priority = 100500 new skins for ships 11..... |
Session 1
Smokin' Aces.
4
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Posted - 2016.10.20 13:06:16 -
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As a new (returning, under 5m SP) player it is quite obvious that the high sec gank/grief mechanics are cancer to this game. Please note I have never experience ganking or greifing as ive always been in null or low sec myself.
"Player freedom" doesn't mean you should have the ability to harass/gank players in the lawful areas of the game. And the NPC faction should project their power to stop wars in areas they control, in reality these wars would be bad for their stability and economy.
In a game with respawns, "player freedom" should not mean "ability to do whatever you want with no real consequences".
Gankers/griefers are bad for the health of games...just look at gaming history.
****when I say gankers/griefers I am talking about those preying upon people that want to play in safe(low reward) areas and have no desire for pvp. |
pajedas
Special Activities Division
319
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Posted - 2016.10.20 13:19:36 -
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Session 1 wrote:Gankers/griefers are bad for the health of games...just look at gaming history. Exactly. Give the players a choice. By not doing so you're just saying, "we don't care if you spend your money here or not".
This is "NOT" a great business model.
Gÿà FACT: Gankers make up 87.5% of the Trolls in E.O. Forums Gÿà
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1327
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Posted - 2016.10.20 13:45:46 -
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Session 1 wrote:As a new (returning, under 5m SP) player it is quite obvious that the high sec gank/grief mechanics are cancer to this game. Please note I have never experience ganking or greifing as ive always been in null or low sec myself.
"Player freedom" doesn't mean you should have the ability to harass/gank players in the lawful areas of the game. And the NPC faction should project their power to stop wars in areas they control, in reality these wars would be bad for their stability and economy.
In a game with respawns, "player freedom" should not mean "ability to do whatever you want with no real consequences".
Gankers/griefers are bad for the health of games...just look at gaming history.
****when I say gankers/griefers I am talking about those preying upon people that want to play in safe(low reward) areas and have no desire for pvp.
"I want freedom but please limit the freedom of other people for me because I think they're bad".
Typical carebear.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Valkin Mordirc
2609
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Posted - 2016.10.20 13:55:07 -
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"Don't listen to the small vocal playerbase"
"I know whats best for EVE"
"Listen to me"
#DeleteTheWeak
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DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
302
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Posted - 2016.10.20 13:59:35 -
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Steps for Success in Eve-Online:
1. Mining: Use a Procurer and mine in island .5 security systems.
2.Don't buy mining permits.
3.Don't get ganked.
4.Don't get podded.
Because I know whats best for Eve-Online. |
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Jagd Wilde
The Scope Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2016.10.20 14:04:11 -
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pajedas wrote:Session 1 wrote:Gankers/griefers are bad for the health of games...just look at gaming history. Exactly. Give the players a choice. By not doing so you're just saying, "we don't care if you spend your money here or not". This is "NOT" a great business model.
Not a great business model for keeping certain types of players, no. So ask yourself why you fit that category, change your flawed views about what EVE really is, become a player CCP wants to keep. |
Jagd Wilde
The Scope Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2016.10.20 14:05:32 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:Steps for Success in Eve-Online:
1. Mining: Use a Procurer and mine in island .5 security systems.
2.Don't buy mining permits.
3.Don't get ganked.
4.Don't get podded.
Because I know whats best for Eve-Online.
5. Never not scissor
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
357
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Posted - 2016.10.20 14:24:01 -
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pajedas wrote:LOL. Looks like I'm ahead to me...
Quote: **** The difference between the troll and the non-troll is that the troll is trying to GÇ£win.GÇ¥ The non-troll, in contrast, is trying to be understood and (ideally) to understand. ThatGÇÖs the difference between a debate and discussion. credit: John Halstead
Just sayin'...
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14845
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Posted - 2016.10.20 14:27:33 -
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Cien Banchiere wrote:Can someone tell me exactly when this fascination with high-sec safety become such a thing?
2003
Quote: I remember the reason I joined was the expectation of danger everywhere, even in the safest spots. The thrill of success of holding your ground or outsmarting your competition. Now it's all "let me crawl in my corner and leave me alone".
It's not a new thing. I started playing in 2007 and people were complaining loudly on various forums then about how ganking in high sec (and stuff like can flipping and what came to be known as awoxxiong etc etc) was going to eventually kill EVE.
The ironic thing was that EVE was growing back then, which they (the "moar safety now!" types) ignored that and kept to the mantra that EVE needed more safety to bring in more people. CCP implemented lots of new safety measures , like the actual safeties that don't let you agress anyone unless you are sure you want to, and pop ups that prevent you from doing things like accidentally jumping into low sec or even leaving a station without a mission-critical item. Eventually,the MMO that grew year by year while most of the rest of the MMO world was in decline started to stall, then decline itself, imo not because of any 'griefing' but because of a misguided attempt to mainstream a game that can't be mainstreamed. EVE doesn't work as a hand holding "everyone should be happy" game.
The most annoying thing of it all is how somehow the same people who always said that 'griefing' was going to kill EVE saw all that as "look, I was right, see!". |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1364
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Posted - 2016.10.20 14:46:27 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:pajedas wrote:LOL. Looks like I'm ahead to me... Quote: **** The difference between the troll and the non-troll is that the troll is trying to GÇ£win.GÇ¥ The non-troll, in contrast, is trying to be understood and (ideally) to understand. ThatGÇÖs the difference between a debate and discussion. credit: John Halstead
Just sayin'... --Gadget
Never not point out the hypocrisy of others.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2478
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Posted - 2016.10.20 14:52:01 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:pajedas wrote:LOL. Looks like I'm ahead to me... Quote: **** The difference between the troll and the non-troll is that the troll is trying to GÇ£win.GÇ¥ The non-troll, in contrast, is trying to be understood and (ideally) to understand. ThatGÇÖs the difference between a debate and discussion. credit: John Halstead
Just sayin'... --Gadget
Additionally, this was posted in response to my pointing out that he's absolutely obsessed with suicide gankers.
I'm not sure that, "Nuh uh, here's my killboard with all of the kills me and my buddy Concord score on suicide gankers all-day every-day, I'M WINNING I'M A WINNER I'M ELITE!" is the efficacious counterpoint as he imagined.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
320
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Posted - 2016.10.20 14:52:53 -
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Elenahina wrote:Never not point out the hypocrisy of others. Apples and oranges little man, apples and oranges.
G¡É Who needs moderation? G¡É
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Revis Owen
The Conference Elite CODE.
416
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Posted - 2016.10.20 15:26:55 -
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Rovinia wrote:I think what OP means is that there should be a place in new Eden where everyone can play the game how he want's (Mining, Missionrunning, etc.) without getting disturbed by groups that have another playstyle (Suicide ganking, PvP, Ninja-Looting, etc.) and so "sabotage" the experience for them.
The way I want to play the game is to protect highsec asteroids and NPCs from unlicensed harvesting without getting disturbed by groups that have another playstyle (unlicensed Mining, unlicensed Missionrunning, etc.) and sabotaging my experience.
Thank you for affirming that there should be a place in new Eden where I can play the game how I want.
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Mining Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
304
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Posted - 2016.10.20 15:33:40 -
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pajedas wrote: Give the players a choice. By not doing so you're just saying, "we don't care if you spend your money here or not".
This is "NOT" a great business model.
When you try to please everyone, you please no one. I'm going to go to Salad Works at lunch today and demand they start serving burritos, because by not serving burritos, they're telling me they don't want my money, and that's bad business. |
Jitatradere
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.10.20 15:35:27 -
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1, Biomass Fozzie with Entosing 2. Introduce anti-blobbing mechanics SOMEHOW 3. Make PVP button in Jita, let AT for everyone everyday 4. More modules for ship improvement 5. Remake BS platform to be more viable 6. Bring back ******* Jukebox! 7. Introduce yellow and white Raven skins |
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