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Kenrailae
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:07:27 -
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With as restricted as these Alpha clones are..... are they really going to be effective? I mean there is a finite amount of SP that can be trained, and even at a reduced rate, 5m is going to cap out reasonably quickly.
Though I am immeasurably glad to see that these clones can't train anything really useful for the Game of Alts crowd, they still can't really train anything useful for the game either.
Also will they be engaging enough to keep people playing them?
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Kenrailae
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:20:11 -
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Higgs Foton wrote:A lot of players coming in who can fly T1 fitted T1 cruisers at max (keep in mind these people can also fly the Gnosis! That ship is going to be the top dog for alpha clones)? Seems like a lot of profit can be made for people who produce this stuff.
I have a fully researched venture BPO on one of my accounts. I smell PROFIT. :)
That's a good point. Luxury Yacht's and Gnosisisisis
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Kenrailae
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:46:49 -
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Keebler Wizard wrote:Kenrailae wrote:Venture's are accounted for in the skill plans. They can learn mining frigate 4Maybe you should go read it. Gnosis and Yacht's have never been tied from, nor excluded from any race. So perhaps you should chill out. Nah maybe you should learn to read. Gnosis is above cruiser first off. And yacht? If youre an amarr pilot who can only fly amarr, why would that make the yacht eligible?
I can read. In fact, I can read what is and what is NOT there. There is no specific mention of either ship. What that tends to mean with CCP is someone over looked something.
And the answer to your question is simple: Because every single character in the game can fly it. So it's a very valid question: In absence of a specific statement one way or another(again, the skills for ventures are included in the trainable skills, and ventures are another of those 'well technically it's ORE but all the racial career mining agents give them out' type ships) does that statement of 'racial ship type only', which again appears to allow for consideration for the venture, allow for consideration for other ships which EVERY character in the game can fly?
So, relax, go bad post on reddit a bit, vent your angst, then come back and relax.
EDIT in response to EDIT:
Because the Yacht and Gnosis both can also be flown by trial accounts
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Kenrailae
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:54:57 -
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Gogela wrote: That's true... but it would be game breaking if Alpha accounts could fly them. Gnosis are Jove-related ships, and absolutely classified as faction. They are too versatile and powerful for free accounts, though. If you have 40 in your hanger, you know that damn well yourself. Free accounts will not be flying the Gnosis. If they could, there'd be no point in restricting race or faction frigs.
Yet I can make a trial account and sit in one right now. At least according to the required skills and lack of 'not usable by trial accounts' on the traits tab.
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Kenrailae
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:58:38 -
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Ocean Ormand wrote:Just curious - the punishment for botting is banning - but now its free to make accounts - so ccp would have to ban the ip. But I think (I may be wrong) that you can manipulate your ip address if you want. So CCP just effectively threw in the towel on botting - a botter gets banned - he just keeps making new accounts - since there is no cost or punishment to him there is no disincentive to botting.
I don't see that as really the case. The alpha clones will learn skills slower, and are not able to learn most the stuff that makes botting profitable. I mean sure there will probably be some of that because 50% of a cookie is still more than 0% of a cookie, but the limitations on the clones look like they'll be rather effective at curbing their usefulness for botting.
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Kenrailae
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:09:53 -
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Gogela wrote:Kenrailae wrote:Gogela wrote: That's true... but it would be game breaking if Alpha accounts could fly them. Gnosis are Jove-related ships, and absolutely classified as faction. They are too versatile and powerful for free accounts, though. If you have 40 in your hanger, you know that damn well yourself. Free accounts will not be flying the Gnosis. If they could, there'd be no point in restricting race or faction frigs.
Yet I can make a trial account and sit in one right now. At least according to the required skills and lack of 'not usable by trial accounts' on the traits tab. A ship on it's own isn't a worry. Just because you can fly it doesn't mean you can be combat effective. An Alpha account will be able to max skills, which a trail cannot. Moreover, they can use it forever, instead of having to constantly make new accounts and train throwaway characters. It's much more convenient, which will make it more commonplace. Ultimately I think it comes down to common sense. CCP said no faction ships. Is the Genosis a faction ship? Do YOU really think they will let Alphas fly the Genosis?
They really can't 'max skills.' Each one can only train a total of 3 level 5 skills, one of them being industry. Most everything else is 3's and 4's. Take a look at the skill plan yourself.
The Gnosis and yacht are yes, technically faction ships. But, they're that grey area where 'yeah I'm a faction ship.... that can be flown by literally every character in the game, and have nothing really that special about me, without the skills to back it up.' Which they can't train. Very similar boat to the venture, as stated a few posts ago.
To answer your other question, I don't know. What I know is that they were not specifically mentioned, and as far as CCP goes, something not being mentioned is often a sign that someone overlooked something. Which is why it's being brought up, for clarification. I don't see a problem with it, if a trial account can log in and get in the thing, why shouldn't a free account? That's an awfully fine hair to split. Now if they want to go the other way and shut it down for trial accounts too, okay, I'm fine with that as well.
Just need a definitive Yes/No from CCP one way or another.
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Kenrailae
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:17:31 -
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May'n Nome wrote:Personally, I'd open up Battleships to Alphas as well so they can get in on the Incursion Communities.
Screw incursions, I'd consider it just so more wild battle ships would appear in low sec lol. Tired of all those damned frigates. Like Zubat I tell ya!
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Kenrailae
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:20:45 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Gnosis is a Battle cruiser. The Dev blog said Alpha clones are limited to Cruiser down. There is no issue here.
I'll repeat myself again shall I? Seeing as reading seems to be hard for some people???
Quote:and as far as CCP goes, something not being mentioned is often a sign that someone overlooked something.
Quote:Just need a definitive Yes/No from CCP one way or another.
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Kenrailae
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:23:09 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:May'n Nome wrote:Personally, I'd open up Battleships to Alphas as well so they can get in on the Incursion Communities. They can get into Incursion communities by them doing the smaller sites. My biggest gripe with this is that CCP has not done anything to improve the NPE, they do nothing to promote E-Uni and actually throw new players into E-Uni instead of leaving them in rookie corps. With this F2P plan, they just hope for a BNI 2.0 and throw new players into the same environment like the last time. They should have improved the NPE with the countless suggestions first and then introduced these Clone states. That would have been the proper order and it would have made a lot more sense with their focus on new players that looks more like a farce.
Dammit, I hate agreeing with Rivr on anything. Makes me fear for my sanity.....
But Yeah. That's pretty much the size and shape of the beast.
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Kenrailae
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:26:22 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Kenrailae wrote:Personally, I'd open up Battleships to Alphas as well so they can get in on the Incursion Communities. thats what the economy needs armys of alpha alts blitzing incursions
yeah I totally didn't say that. Quote properly ya bad.
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Quote:Screw incursions, I'd consider it just so more wild battle ships would appear in low sec lol. Tired of all those damned frigates. Like Zubat I tell ya!
This is what I said.
And yeah, the whole T1 battleship with t1 gear would definitely rock incursions world.....
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Kenrailae
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:37:35 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Quote:Why is Leadership 3 an Alpha clone skill? Probably because it's a prerequisite for Security Connections, which is also on the Alpha skill list in the dev blog.
Were you guys just bored and wanted a new Threadnaught to occupy your time?
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