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Tina Mori
Maniacal Miners INC LEEKSWARM FEDERATION
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Posted - 2016.09.12 22:39:35 -
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I never said there was no mining
I just mentioned a lack of markets to trade the winnings of all that mining
So what if there are many Hisec miners?
What I don`t understand is all the abuse they get, as they provide all the raw materials for everything built in Hisec. Just don`t say you never buy anything in Hisec, but instead you buy everything from all those wonderful sources in Nullsec..... |
Admiral Zander
Void Protectorate The Dominion Empire
1
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Posted - 2016.09.12 23:16:48 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Ok so you feel its unfair when 10 people coordinate to kill a ship that might as well be unarmed, that your ship gets killed.
The Problem is when you are mining in HS. HS is Supposed to be High Security, (of course based on the security level.), but there is a way to lower the security by gankers if they Redirect Attention of The Police elsewhere and then gank you while they are busy elsewhere. I see this happen all the time. They are abusing the AI of the NPCs.
Also. If we Spend so much more on a Mackinaw or a Hulk, and We have lower Ore Hold capacity, Shouldn't we in turn get More Tank? these Larger, More Expensive Ships Requiring Hauling Support, should not be so easy to pop.
A Small ship should not be able to come in and Blap a heavy Industrial Ship within a few seconds.
Despite all you gangkers out there thinking this is fair, we should at least have a fighting chance to Survive. Hulks and Mackinaws are Useless till this is Fixed. |
Abadayos
Yulai RnD
18
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Posted - 2016.09.12 23:45:20 -
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So CCP Fozzie...you ask for our input yet when we give it, it goes ignored completely? The changes proposed have not been modified/changed or anything since the announcement on 8/22.
Not saying any of the proposed ideas here are good or bad, it just makes it look like the 'we appreciate your feedback' is more of a platitude that our feedback is wanted, welcome and taken n board. Seems that you just wanted to community to think their feedback is wanted where as in reality it's not and just ignored.
Now with the change all I'm doing is throwing on a new mining laser and getting more crystals for my skiffs and calling it a day, but damn..some back and forth would be nice |
HindSight Pergatory
Blackstone Holdings Sev3rance
21
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Posted - 2016.09.13 01:07:04 -
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Rob Kaichin wrote:I'm guessing the increased tank for the Hulk and Covetor with a DCU in the low is negligible at best?
A DCU on a Hulk.... why.. just.. why.. youre already flying a paper airplane in space.. youre going to put some scotch tape on it hoping it will survive something IN that space? you may as well put a warp stab in it while youre at it.. just put the MLU like they designed the extra Low for and watch it go pop like any other day... |
HindSight Pergatory
Blackstone Holdings Sev3rance
21
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Posted - 2016.09.13 01:09:06 -
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This is an absolute waste of time and resources. These mining ships are used as evenly as you can expect or even hope for. Fix the things that NEED TO BE FIXED. Ever heard the term, "If it aint broke dont fix it" ? Well.. I have a better one for you...
" If it aint broke DONT BREAK IT "
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Warlord Balrog
303rd X-SOLDIER
6
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Posted - 2016.09.13 01:14:14 -
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HindSight Pergatory wrote:This is an absolute waste of time and resources. These mining ships are used as evenly as you can expect or even hope for. Fix the things that NEED TO BE FIXED. Ever heard the term, "If it aint broke dont fix it" ? Well.. I have a better one for you...
" If it aint broke DONT BREAK IT "
Problem is they broke it when they started handing out T2 guns against miners who only wield knives. The Skiff's yield is close enough to the other ships that the tank makes up for missing that precious few m3/cycle. Just glad people haven't figured this out and swore off the rest of the barge/exhumers or CCP might have done something heinous...like break the Skiff by nerfing it. |
Caleb Seremshur
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
862
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Posted - 2016.09.13 01:34:54 -
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Tina Mori wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:I never realised that mining was a highsec intended activity. It's almost as if nullsec didn't have ore and that the ore in nullsec isn't safer to mine and more valuable. Jee willickers. It is all a case of Market availability There are all those Hisec trade hubs, ie Jita, Dodixie, etc Now, show me where all the great Nullsec hubs are With nowhere to use all that Nullsec ore, maybe now you mayunderstand why people mine in Hisec Btw, you try getting all that lovely Ore/Minerals back to the hubs, without your freighter being ganked
Your understanding of the game is incredibly shallow if you don't think that it's possible to make it to highsec without being shafted. Jumpfreighters and wormholes being just 2 examples of how to do it, compressed ore being another way of moving more at once.
But now I know you're just being facetious, there's just no way anyone who does mining can be this delusional about how things work out there. |
Caleb Seremshur
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
862
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Posted - 2016.09.13 01:55:32 -
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Abadayos wrote:So CCP Fozzie...you ask for our input yet when we give it, it goes ignored completely? The changes proposed have not been modified/changed or anything since the announcement on 8/22.
Not saying any of the proposed ideas here are good or bad, it just makes it look like the 'we appreciate your feedback' is more of a platitude that our feedback is wanted, welcome and taken n board. Seems that you just wanted to community to think their feedback is wanted where as in reality it's not and just ignored. The request for feedback is not a guarantee of its implementation. If you want to make a case for a change to these proposals to be made, then provide something more substantial than the tantrums I am seeing.
Quote:A Small ship should not be able to come in and Blap a heavy Industrial Ship within a few seconds.
Despite all you gangkers out there thinking this is fair, we should at least have a fighting chance to Survive. Hulks and Mackinaws are Useless till this is Fixed.
A main battletank weighing 22 tons should not be able to destroy a 300 ton excavator by your definition of balance, but, I'd bet my bottom dollar on the MBT killing a PC3000 any day of the week. Try using one of those alts you run as a combat ship? The increased survival of your mining barges will eventually pay off the money that your alt isn't making. Or run your mining fleet as a group of overtanked procurers using an even blend of drones so you hit all the weakspots.
Quote:I never said there was no mining I just mentioned a lack of markets to trade the winnings of all that mining So what if there are many Hisec miners? What I don`t understand is all the abuse they get, as they provide all the raw materials for everything built in Hisec. Just don`t say you never buy anything in Hisec, but instead you buy everything from all those wonderful sources in Nullsec.....
Its not the highsec miners that are the problem, its the entitled whining from working class evangalists like you pontificating to the rest of society about how valuable your minimum wage job is. There's a reason why mining is frequently used with bots, because it's a simplistic task that's easily automated, just like checkouts and factory production lines.
Let's be clear: highsec miners are the bottom feeders, the guys at the bottom of the heap doing perhaps the single least impactful occupation in EVE. The only thing you've got going for yourselves is how many highsec miners there are but again the call for your associates to unionise and """punish""" the rest of the game has been made before and never worked out. Too fractitious you are. You will never be anything but the people the rest of the game steps and stamps on.
As for the jackals that constitute CODE, who knows, they serve a useful purpose of thinning the herd of its weakest members. |
Don'tcallme Francis
United Tactical Operations and Manufacturing United Systems of Aridia
0
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Posted - 2016.09.13 04:15:49 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:[quote=Abadayos] Its not the highsec miners that are the problem, its the entitled whining from working class evangalists like you pontificating to the rest of society about how valuable your minimum wage job is. There's a reason why mining is frequently used with bots, because it's a simplistic task that's easily automated, just like checkouts and factory production lines.
It's a computer game. Everything is automated. It's not like back in the day when we had to fly real spaceships uphill through the snow. You youngsters act so entitled. Get off my lawn. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1857
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Posted - 2016.09.13 04:24:31 -
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In the end it boils down to the one fact: mining is mind-numbingly boring. So much so that people can only do it without going insane by afking.
If mining was an exciting activity that required tons of player interaction, you would never see a hulk getting ganked even if it only had enough HP to fend off a reasonably fit ibis.
Art of Explosions
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TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
423
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Posted - 2016.09.13 04:47:37 -
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So, between announcement and release we get a whole 1! developer response...
"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X
"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron
-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
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Penance Toralen
Compass Fox
9
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Posted - 2016.09.13 05:58:21 -
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TheSmokingHertog wrote:So, between announcement and release we get a whole 1! developer response...
Feedback was requested, testing/feedback was supplied, I am not concerned, Carebear Illuminati has the matter in hand, isn't that right James?
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Divine Entervention
Brand Newbros Test Alliance Please Ignore
849
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Posted - 2016.09.13 09:24:05 -
[433] - Quote
This patch regarding the mining changes reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ognDSKtzKuU
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Cpt BusterRoids
i420 Inc
3
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Posted - 2016.09.13 09:28:48 -
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Once again Eve Devs take a big poop on something that did not need changing .. So hulk has 2 mining lasers now ? How stupid are you morons, people like to mine 3 different things at once sometimes. Do you ever even ask players that actually mine what they think of your ****** ideas before you employ them? Why have you not fixed rorqual yet then ? You all need to review your work ethics because it sucks all you do is busy nonsense work that does not help EVE. Just wow you all suck at what you do, this exactly why EVE is in toilet with number of active pilots. So keep pooping on game eventually you will have no job. |
mana waikato
Taiha Battalion
0
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Posted - 2016.09.13 09:46:15 -
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Any plan's to look at the Endurance and other ORE mining frigates in the future ?? Maybe with lavish mining bonuses and fluffy dice in the bridge window :) .... |
Ampoliros Ni-Dunes
CreoDron Test and Evaluation Command
1
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Posted - 2016.09.13 11:18:58 -
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Whatever the Game Design Team will do with the designs and differentiating the barges/exhumers hulls visually (according to the o7show redesign video), they can't compete with 1/2/3 strip miiner. That was uniqueifying perfectly.
Ok, let them roll out already. |
imgoingtodye
Negative or Positive
0
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Posted - 2016.09.13 12:43:21 -
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I hate to say it but I did enjoy seeing the extra laser on the hulk.. |
Rexxen Darkbrew
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.09.13 12:49:29 -
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Just been checking out the changes, I thought the change was supposed to be yield neutral??
Now even according to your own charts, The Skiff one of the least played of MB's but now mines less m3 and cost double to operate due to crystal burn rate.
Yeah you really seem like you want to even out the playing field, It will be nothing but a mack fest now..// /sigh |
Faelune
Tous Pour Un
18
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Posted - 2016.09.13 13:12:02 -
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I don't understand the tweak on the skiff and probably on the procurer I didn't check.
What does the meaning behind this gift to the gankers in pack inside the high sec?
Why do we have already to choose now between a mini harvester with a full defense or a full harvester with a mini defense equivalent to a Procurer from the last week fiiting near to full Tech2 (around 55 000 hp)?
And why don't we have some alternative clearly publicize about the capacity given with the second turrets to be a remoter or a vampirizer or a lead link without bonus to compensate the loss of all active shielding to hold our Hp to near 80 000 points?
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Captain Campion
Captain Campion Corporation 1
27
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Posted - 2016.09.13 13:12:12 -
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Love the new Procurer model, brilliant, thanks CCP.
Looks like there's some skins too but it's not clear how to get them? |
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Ares Splinter
Bank Of Zion The Volition Cult
0
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Posted - 2016.09.13 13:16:09 -
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I still do not understand people head bother to spend their time on mine they are being cheated again and again for all the training time they spend on getting into a hulk one mach .. debliver not rewarded for their work on an equal footing with the likes of ratter they have bad vildk+Ñr for their mac which is totally unusable out of 00 because they can not handle rats .. honest CCP wake up and make something more out of this .. |
Faelune
Tous Pour Un
18
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Posted - 2016.09.13 13:28:55 -
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The only miners alone anywhere that have a way to escape earlier from a pack are only the Venture's family. And not all the time it succeed |
Raw Figmo
Patriotic Tendencies Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.09.13 13:29:08 -
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Bootsing bonus are not working on the skiffs. They are working on the Mac's. Anyone else seeing this. |
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
26
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Posted - 2016.09.13 13:47:59 -
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Resa Moon wrote:[this will not add to the enjoyment
You mean that it won't help you AFK as much.
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Faelune
Tous Pour Un
18
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Posted - 2016.09.13 14:23:24 -
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At this time Skiff is useless because a mass of 55 000 hp a yield about 1300 cubic meter per cycle with strip miner tech2 and a tech 1 lens and expensive at the beginning. With nothing to retaliate or escape who match the cost in ganking occurence And yesterday it was 2700 cubic meter per cycle on a skiff with this fitting for a mass of 78 000hp. So I jump off of this coffin to jump in my Venture. And it goes better. |
Jonmar Nasgar
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.09.13 15:32:08 -
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First things first.... Grammar nazi's may want to skip this post.... Lots of red lines under a boatload of the words in this post LOL... Also the 3 periods and whatnot are not for you... They are for me... I cant see CHIT... This makes it easier on me...
CCP Fozzie wrote:
We're very interested in your feedback and welcome you to try out the new stats (and new ship models) on SISI. Thanks!
Hey CCP... Want to say I havent tried it yet, but I am almost 100% certain I am not going to like all the Barges and Exhumers having the same amount of High Slots... when I am running multiple miners on multiple moniters I can already see me getting confused every now and then on who is who LOL...
I never post here but wanted to tell you why I never mine (or do anything else) in Low or Null... Hope you dont mind me puttin it here... just take it down if ya do mind...
My Play style for Games is mostly Solo... And the API System gives out to much info...
That pretty much sums it up... Cant even look at Low or Null without Joining a large Alliance that requires too much for my Play Style and RL interruptions... (Can it be done? yes!!! --- is it worth the hassle currently to Solo Low Or Null??? Not ATM for me!!!)
Also I only just started this third account... So my two main accounts that I have toons on that are capable of going to Low or Null and joining a large alliance for survivability and Isk making purposes dont do so due to the requirements by ALL Low or Null sec corps for an API that includes ALL of my toons info on each account that joins their Corp/Alliance... And that gives them Access to every account and toon that has had interactions with each other...
Why on earth would I ever join in on the PEW PEW or Industry in Low or Null when I have to give my API out that includes very Gankable mining toons and (not so easily gankable) Pew Pew toons that are not even in the Low or Null sec Corp/Alliance??? Why on Earth would I give out OpSec level Info to a bunch of PvPers and Ganking Players who wouldn't think twice about tracking down my toons that aren't in the Low or Null sec Corp and inflating their killmails with with ridiculously easy Ganks???
There are currently no other Space Games that come close to providing the Playability of Eve for my Playstyle... Tried em... They suck... They suck big ones...
I would have been in Low or Null having a blast long ago if it weren't for the fact that I will NEVER give out info on my toons that are not in your Corp/Alliance until AFTER I know you and where you live in RL... Without OpSec you have nothing... Giving out a full API leaves my other care bare and pew pew toons with no Opsec... Sure, my WH'ing toons dont give a rats hiney whether you have their API or Not, It's full time war in WH's anyway... My CareBear toons do though... My WH toons only interact with their Corp/Alliance Mates once or twice a week at most... and even then it's only if I happen to be on and there are dangerous peeps or stupids about...
If I was forced to interact more I would probably have to drop my accounts... My playtime and style dont support it at the moment... (Ya cant force someone to play on Thursdays who is 50 miles from a computer on Thursdays) (( Yes thats an analogy )) Although when I am capable of Interacting you can bet your hiney I'll have someone in a BS or Repper running with a bunch of folks who dont require an API...
Havent decided yet whether this will be my Low/Null sec toon, or whether he will join the other 6 toon slots on the other 2 accounts and be forever linked to them through Comms and trading and whatnot... Right now he is all alone and has no connections to them... He is a viable candidate currently.... but the first time I share an Overview through Evemail with him or ANY other interaction he will be forever linked to them through the API and no longer be a viable candidate for Low or Null sec operations with PvP and/or Industrial corps that require a full API...
Anywhose it CCP... To sum it up, my main (not only, just the main) reason for staying out of Low or Null sec Corps (and therefore staying out of Low and Null) on my main accounts is the API that gives away my OpSec on a couple of sometimes profitable CareBare toons and my Pew Pew toons...
Not asking for any changes or anything... Just providing Feedback that I hope may be helpful... I bet there are many more peeps who never post here, with the common sense to NEVER give up OpSec on ALL of their toons on EVERY account that has interacted with their other accounts, just so one or two Toons can join a Low or Null Sec Corp... Thanks for all the hard work on the best SpaceGame out today for my PlayStyle....
Oh yeah... I love building things... Like a place to live, a castle to call home, ships, modules, and whatnot... To bad us semi solo playstyle peeps have no way to defend our homes and efforts without dropping 500 bucks on PLEX and hiring Mercs.... Or playing in a manner that is contrary to what is "fun" or sometimes even possible for us due to interruptions in RL...
Keep up the great work... Just remember what it would be like if a bunch of us got together and came and rearranged your offices and workspaces to our liking, not yours, every 6 or 8 weeks or so... That would indeed suck wouldnt it... It's the same for us players... Keep that in mind as you put so much hard work and effort (which is appreciated by me most of the time) into updating EVE so often :) :) :)
IMO EVE is the best Space game out ATM.... As soon as someone makes a Space Game with a comparable amount of open world building and creating like Eve has, where it isnt so ridiculously easy for old timers or overwhelming numbers to come along and destroy everything you have built, that will change...
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Faelune
Tous Pour Un
18
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Posted - 2016.09.13 15:48:21 -
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I really think the skiff like it is now is a gift for gankers to replenish. But I dispise this with this depicture. Gankers I see them like old hunters in their camo suits and their dogs and riflles sit on a camping chair next to a table and some bad beers wine or vodkas standing for the flight of birds under an apple tree. some slothery bunch of slow life |
Bob Forrest
Beyond New Frontier The Amish Mafia
3
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Posted - 2016.09.13 16:07:01 -
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I loved to mine with only one laser and different crystals, simply because it's quite uncomplicated to warp in a belt, orbit a rock or my mtu and mine what is there and only switch the crystal if nothing of that type is in reach anymore...now i will have to switch crystals a lot more or always have a set of two crystals of the same type to hit a single rock...i really don't like what you did to the proc/skiff...makes me even think of never mine again... |
Admiral Zander
Void Protectorate The Dominion Empire
4
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Posted - 2016.09.13 16:45:16 -
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Quote:Thanks for nerfing my Hulk again.
My Math Was Wrong. I retract that statement. |
Bob Forrest
Beyond New Frontier The Amish Mafia
4
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Posted - 2016.09.13 16:51:32 -
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all angry miners should unite and gather somewhere to commit sucide in their barges and exhumers! i'd be willing to! who is with me? |
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