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drifeter
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Posted - 2007.02.15 19:53:00 -
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I will explain chronologic the events. I am a ex WOW player and i had decide to start play again eve , eve i let it for a short period in beta for a short time for those who know wow the character had tier 2 full and was high warlord , i work for that char a lot .Discusing in wow with friends at some point i was contact by a person who make me a offer to change accounts, i go on site of eve-online and read the EULA i realize that CCP don`t allow to change accounts so i ask to transfer in my account character so i was legaly with EULA. I ask a printscreen of character and i was agreed with that. After transfer end with HELP of CCP and i see all is ok AFTER TRANSFER ,all was ok .But after 5 days i see with consternation my account was banned, the reason was BUY FROM EBAY character.After 100 petitions where i ask what heapen i get a reply when it tell me i break EULA buying from ebay with real money After some time i find that the character was to a leader of lotka voltera (and now i understand the fear of CCP to disturb a powerfoul alliance),and very strange after 5 days of transfer , the guy who own it, post on forum and denounce he`s self because he try sell it on ebay.I don`t know if i am only one in that tranzaction but i am sure CCP can check the route of character until it end in my account.After changes of petitions with CCP ,even CCP recognize my right to hold this character and i was right , with reason atlist 2 ppl own this character break EULA(original owner and maybe the buyer) CCP refuse my right to hold this character.IF CCP put this problem like this , why CCP allow transfer without check the legitim of character,if CCP make this verification before transfer to me i wasn`t in this situation to lose my wow character and bann from CCP. I start to think and ask my self about the morality and implication of CCP in the normal course of game . I respect all rules of CCP , and i ask the same thing from them. I ASK a lot ? CCP keep say to me someone brake EULA and i don`t, then why i have to pay for what others do .I tought because i do account according to EULA i am protect.However i can`t defend my self at what heapen , i am not a child and i consider i am a educated person and respect rules of conduct and i open this thread to hear what other players think about this about my situation.I hope someone from CCP read this and realise what ridiculos is this situation and ccp will get right actions . I keep give to CCP all information need to fix this situation . Ty
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Bluebeard
LoneStar Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.15 19:59:00 -
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Wow, paragraphs are your friend
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Jak Flash
Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:00:00 -
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Maybe its just me, but God that hurt my head to read. Be aware that we will all be better off if you never post here again!
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Oblivionix
SRBI
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: drifeter
I am a ex WOW player and i had decide to start play again eve , eve i let it for a short period in beta for a short time for those who know wow the character had tier 2 full and was high warlord , i work for that char a lot
stopped reading there
guess whats coming soon (hint: )
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Kehmor
Caldari PAK
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:04:00 -
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you have left wow, you are still on top.
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Asinia Au
Amarr Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:04:00 -
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I have to congratulate myself for this one! I made it nearly a third of the way through the initial post before my eyes started bleeding and my head felt as if it would explode.
/me pats herself on the back.
Now, where are the aspirin, please?
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Illyria Ambri
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:04:00 -
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This is what happens when you try to buy your way into a game.. you get burned.
ONLY the orig. owner of the account is allowed to play. NO MMO EULA allows account sharing as thats exactly what the farmers do. Hence they use it as reason to ban accounts.
YOU made the mistake of assuming you could buy your way into the game.
You traded your crap account for an EVE one then had CCP transfer your previous character onto the freshly bought account. This probably cought their attention that you had a different name.. were asking about swapping charactrers and they saw or already had the account under investigation.
So question is.. if you were just going to use your previous character.. why "buy" the new one?
Did you really think that CCP was going to sit back as they notice someone sharing an account against their EULA?
You honestly have ZERO right to complain as you admitted you gained access to an account that wasn't yours which equates to account sharing which equates to a ban.
Congrats.. Hope it was money well spent. Next time dont try to buy your way to the top.
------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Happiness is a warm railgun |
Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:06:00 -
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First of all. Paragraphs are your friend! Ok??
Now.
I could not read it all. My eyes where pretty sore after reading half of it, but from what I understood you got a EVE character transfered to you the legal. While the first owner of the eve character got a wow account in trade? If so this is correct you have broken the EULA with trading EVE items against non-eve items. That is a breech on the eula. Only EVE items can be swapped.
Second. The first owner might have bought the character from Ebay or what ever. The GMs seemed to have evidence enough to proove it was on ebay. If so they will ban it. No matter who is the current owner.
You should ask to have the case escalated to a senior GM. He/she will settle the case for you. Be ready to provide as much info you can! You will need it! And oh ye. Screenshots aint good enough I am afraid...
Another advice, discussing moderations and bans aint allowed. So my best advice is cotact a senior GM. he will settle the case for you!
Good luck!
Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
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Lori Carlyle
LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:07:00 -
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Buying your way to the top is bad!... Nice work CCP. ------------------------------------------
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Xaroth Brook
Minmatar Doomcraft
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Bluebeard Wow, paragraphs are your friend
not to mention an english for dummies book...
@OP: All ingame items belong to CCP, that includes your characters.. if the original account was ebayed, CCP will most likely block that account, but in your case you were foolish enough to trust a man for his word.. which, even in wow, is the most unwise thing to do when you're not familiar with things.
I also doubt that CCP is 'scared' of the big alliances, and heck, even if there was one, it'd be BoB, not LV.. as everybody in the bandwagon knows every dev plays in bob </tinfoilhat> ... You, however, assume by reading two posts that CCP has to be afraid for that alliance for some unclear reason, and that therefore, they banned you... Get real.
Also, if you would have read the Information Portal, which has that name for a reason, you'd know that there is a way to get a second oppinion on a GM's ruling, if not, I suggest you go read the few hundred posts about the new boss of Internal Affairs.. it only gets mentioned about a few thousand times in that thread. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Xaroth Brook Brainiac of Doomcraft |
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Lowanaera
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:16:00 -
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Someone please help me, my eyes are bleeding.
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Grash Freedom
Gallente MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:17:00 -
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Edited by: Grash Freedom on 15/02/2007 20:14:08 You made a trade, a character for???
If it was for RL money, then breach of EULA=banned If it was for a WOW account=breach of EULA=banned
Let us know what you did trade the character for and then we can discuss it
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drifeter
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:19:00 -
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It was a transfer character it don`t matter transfer is legal i don`t break any EULA ...Isn`t my fault the owner sell it on ebay
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:20:00 -
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Too much wow makes your brain fart when you try to write more than one line of text.
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Kerushi
Caldari AeroSpace Engineering
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Liu Kaskakka Too much wow makes your brain fart when you try to write more than one line of text.
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Grash Freedom
Gallente MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Grash Freedom on 15/02/2007 20:19:55
Originally by: drifeter It was a transfer character it don`t matter transfer is legal i don`t break any EULA ...Isn`t my fault the owner sell it on ebay
Can you explaine a bit, you bought your character from Ebay?? or not if you bought the character from ebay, then yes you must be banned, and its your fault, EULA states that you are not allowed to trade ingame items/characters for RL cash or any other out of game stuff, including WOW accounts
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drifeter
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:26:00 -
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Read post I DON`T BUY IT FROM EBAY OTHER BUY IT AND TRANSFER TO MY ACCOUNT AT EXCHANGE OF WOW CHARACTER..
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Grash Freedom
Gallente MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: Grash Freedom on 15/02/2007 20:24:10
Originally by: drifeter Read post I DON`T BUY IT FROM EBAY OTHER BUY IT AND TRANSFER TO MY ACCOUNT AT EXCHANGE OF WOW CHARACTER..
ITS AGAINST EULA!!!! WHAT PART YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND??? You are not allowed to trade characters!
EVE items/characters for EVE items/characters
AND NOT EVE items/characters for WOW ACCOUNT =ILLEGAL
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Naqisaki
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:27:00 -
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Sounds like he swapped a wow character for an eve one. Seems cpp allowed the transaction somehow then found out what he really ment later on. I hope you didn't give you secret pass to anyone in wow, just change the account back to you,.
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drifeter
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:28:00 -
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finnaly someone have a little brain ..gz
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drifeter
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Grash Freedom Edited by: Grash Freedom on 15/02/2007 20:24:10
Originally by: drifeter Read post I DON`T BUY IT FROM EBAY OTHER BUY IT AND TRANSFER TO MY ACCOUNT AT EXCHANGE OF WOW CHARACTER..
ITS AGAINST EULA!!!! WHAT PART YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND??? You are not allowed to trade characters!
EVE items/characters for EVE items/characters You break eula if u transfer ur character on other friend account ?
AND NOT EVE items/characters for WOW ACCOUNT =ILLEGAL
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Grash Freedom
Gallente MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: drifeter
You break eula if u transfer ur character on other friend account ?
No if the trade is for nothing! you made a trade your WOW account for an EVE account, nomatter what you say its against the rules,
You did not recieve the character from a friend, but from a stranger that wanted your WOW account
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Lord Griffith
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:34:00 -
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I'm pretty sure that he WAS going to trade account for account but instead had someone do a character transfer into HIS old eve account. Which is the legal way. Whether or not he gave a WOW account to get this guy to transfer a char to his eve account is of no concern to anyone. If i want to sleep with your sister to get her to transfer me her char the legal way then thats just fine. Doesn't sound like he broke a rule... sounds like he was transferred a char that had been passed around or part of a passed around account. But, since he didn't pay ISK for the character,,, I don't really see how CCP can do anything for him. Tough luck drifeter. You lost out on this one bud.
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Naqisaki
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:36:00 -
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Ah that would make more sense.
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Kerushi
Caldari AeroSpace Engineering
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: drifeter finnaly someone have a little brain ..gz
brain is got when can`t read english
if u can read english, u can`t make heads or tails from that post
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Grash Freedom
Gallente MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:38:00 -
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7.b From EULA
Selling Items and Objects You may not transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, currency, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above. You may not encourage or induce any other person to participate in such a prohibited transaction. The buying, selling or auctioning (or any attempt at doing so) of characters, character attributes, items, currency, or objects, whether through online auctions (such as ebay), newsgroups, postings on message boards or any other means is prohibited by the EULA and a violation of CCP's proprietary rights in the Game.
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Illyria Ambri
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:40:00 -
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Its simple..
The account you traded your WoW accoutn for was at some point associated with an ebay auction.. CCP noticed this and banned it.
It dosent matter if you legally transfered your character to the new account or not. The account you traded for was touched by ebay so therefor it was touched by the ban hammer.
The MOST you could possibly manage to retrieve is your character off that account and back to your origional one you said you had. This only if CCP realizes that you did the transfer before the ban but after the ebay. No promises though.
Either way No matter how you want ot argue about it.
You traded/bought an EVE account this in itself = ban In your greed to be the best you happened to receive an ebay'd account.. this also = ban
You transfered your character to the ebayed account and this = ban.
In conclusion you broke the EULA, by trafficking in ebay'd accounts/characters and got your buss banned for it. You have no leg to stand on.
------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Happiness is a warm railgun |
Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:47:00 -
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You may only trade eve chars/items for other eve chars/items.
You traded an eve char for something other then an eve char/item, therefore you broke the EULA and got banned.
Pretty simple. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =- |
drifeter
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:47:00 -
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The ideea is i don`t know was a ebay account and why ccp don`t ban when was in ebay . I don`t know was buyed from ebay ..period
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drifeter
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:53:00 -
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You may transfer a character from your account to another account, either belonging to you or another person. This transfer option is available from the EVE Online Account Management web site https://secure.eve-online.com/login.asp and is subject to fees and the following limitations:
1. You may not offer to transfer characters except your own, or act as a "broker" or intermediary (for compensation or otherwise) for anyone wishing to transfer or obtain characters. 2. The transferee will obtain all rights to your character in a single transaction, and you will retain absolutely no control or rights over the characters, items or attributes of that character. 3. You may not transfer any characters whose attributes are, in whole or in part, developed, or which own items, objects or currency obtained or acquired, in violation of the EULA.
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Maltitol
Gallente Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: drifeter The ideea is i don`t know was a ebay account and why ccp don`t ban when was in ebay . I don`t know was buyed from ebay ..period
ignorance is not an excuse...
Sorry officer, i didnt see the red light, i was changing radio stations... TICKET..
same deal, different scenario
Originally by: Devil Hanzo
There is no problem with Jita, there is a problem with everybody going to Jita at the same time...
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The Pointless
Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: drifeter The ideea is i don`t know was a ebay account and why ccp don`t ban when was in ebay . I don`t know was buyed from ebay ..period
Thing is, you still broke the rules by accepting the account from the "owner", which is still illegal.
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Kehmor
Caldari PAK
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: drifeter The ideea is i don`t know was a ebay account and why ccp don`t ban when was in ebay . I don`t know was buyed from ebay ..period
ccp don't know this. It also is clearly stated that they can ban you for any reason, any time without justifying themselves. Something you agreed to. So what have they done wrong?
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Illyria Ambri
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: drifeter The ideea is i don`t know was a ebay account and why ccp don`t ban when was in ebay . I don`t know was buyed from ebay ..period
You didnt know it was an ebay'd account.. umm tough.. thats the risk you take when you dont buy the account and start from scratch yourself. CCP 1 : OP 0
CCP probably didnt notice it was an ebay'd account till you started the transfer stuff and they noticed the slimy residue that ebay leaves.. so they investigated and banned... your own tough luck you had just received it. CCP 2 : OP 0
CCP > you
------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Happiness is a warm railgun |
Varalonia
Minmatar Darklite inc
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:56:00 -
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Look at it this way, you lost your WoW account - now surely that's a good thing? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Petwraith ([email protected]) |
Lord Griffith
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: drifeter The ideea is i don`t know was a ebay account and why ccp don`t ban when was in ebay . I don`t know was buyed from ebay ..period
Like I said... you didn't buy this char with isk on the forums so you're out of luck. Had this been a regular purchase etc etc then CCP would've given you your isk back I bet. But from CCP's side of the fence,,, this char just magically got transferred to your account seemingly for no reason. And if this char had been involved in previous ebay crap then basically you look guilty. Whether you are or aren't cant be shown. Next time, get your character with isk on the forums. Then you're covered by CCP.
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Roshan longshot
Gallente Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:57:00 -
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I need an asprin....owiee.
Are tears supposed to be red???
ouch ouch ouch.....
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter pirate or mixture of them all.
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Ralus
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:58:00 -
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Edited by: Ralus on 15/02/2007 20:54:52
I paragraphed and reformatted for everyone's pleasure
Originally by: drifeter I will explain chronologic the events.
I am a ex WOW player and i had decide to start play again eve , eve i let it for a short period in beta for a short time for those who know wow the character had tier 2 full and was high warlord , i work for that char a lot. Discusing in wow with friends at some point i was contact by a person who make me a offer to change accounts, i go on site of eve-online and read the EULA i realize that CCP don`t allow to change accounts so i ask to transfer in my account character so i was legaly with EULA.
I ask a printscreen of character and i was agreed with that. After transfer end with HELP of CCP and i see all is ok AFTER TRANSFER ,all was ok. But after 5 days i see with consternation my account was banned, the reason was BUY FROM EBAY character. After 100 petitions where i ask what heapen i get a reply when it tell me i break EULA buying from ebay with real money After some time i find that the character was to a leader of lotka voltera (and now i understand the fear of CCP to disturb a powerfoul alliance),and very strange after 5 days of transfer, the guy who own it, post on forum and denounce he`s self because he try sell it on ebay. I don`t know if i am only one in that tranzaction but i am sure CCP can check the route of character until it end in my account.
After changes of petitions with CCP ,even CCP recognize my right to hold this character and i was right, with reason at list 2 ppl own this character break EULA(original owner and maybe the buyer) CCP refuse my right to hold this character. IF CCP put this problem like this , why CCP allow transfer without check the legitim of character, if CCP make this verification before transfer to me i wasn`t in this situation to lose my wow character and bann from CCP.
I start to think and ask my self about the morality and implication of CCP in the normal course of game . I respect all rules of CCP , and i ask the same thing from them. I ASK a lot ? CCP keep say to me someone brake EULA and i don`t, then why i have to pay for what others do. I tought because i do account according to EULA i am protect. However i can`t defend my self at what heapen, i am not a child and i consider i am a educated person and respect rules of conduct and i open this thread to hear what other players think about this about my situation.
I hope someone from CCP read this and realise what ridiculos is this situation and ccp will get right actions . I keep give to CCP all information need to fix this situation.
Ty
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Illyria Ambri
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: drifeter
3. You may not transfer any characters whose attributes are, in whole or in part, developed, or which own items, objects or currency obtained or acquired, in violation of the EULA.
This one says it all And explains why you were banned.
Please stop arguing and complaining.. YOU messed up.. YOU are paying the price. We have no sympathy for accoutn sharers, macroers, farmers etc...
------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
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Copine Callmeknau
The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 15/02/2007 21:00:53 How was he supposed to know the account was being sold on ebay? It's not as if the account names/char names are listed there.
The EULA only talks about real world currency btw, I'm not sure if that would rule out bartering for out of game objects such as EVE char for WoW account.
Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Originally by: drifeter
3. You may not transfer any characters whose attributes are, in whole or in part, developed, or which own items, objects or currency obtained or acquired, in violation of the EULA.
This one says it all And explains why you were banned.
Please stop arguing and complaining.. YOU messed up.. YOU are paying the price. We have no sympathy for accoutn sharers, macroers, farmers etc...
Don't be a ****, he isn't an account sharer, macroer, farmer etc. He's a guy that clearly isn't fluent in English, trying to discipher the english EULA. Went out of his way to do a char transfer as well so he wouldn't breach the EULA by taking the whole account.
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:01:00 -
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First off to those ragging on the OP for his structure, grammar and what ever else, I am guessing here, but I would lay odds you would have a harder time reading this post if he wrote it in his native tongue.
To the OP, thank you for trying to post in English, I am guessing you worked hard and did the best you could.
Again, my guess is you wanted to trade a WoW character for a Eve Character, saw that you were not allowed to buy an account, but could have the character(s) from one account transferred to another Eve account.
You activated your old Eve account and had the character transferred to it thinking this was within the EULA, only to find you get a ban for the E-Bayed Character transferred to your account...
If I am correct, then I fear there are 2 issues, first, you "Bought" the character (and paid a Wow character for it) which is not allowed under the EULA, but not easy to trace. The other issue is with the person you traded with gave you a character that had been sold on E-Bay, flagged and banned... that person scammed you... to make it simple, he sold you a lottery ticket after he had made sure it did not win... in the US, this could be called Fraud if he had lead you to believe it was good and valid character.
Noob in training...
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Lord Griffith
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Originally by: drifeter
3. You may not transfer any characters whose attributes are, in whole or in part, developed, or which own items, objects or currency obtained or acquired, in violation of the EULA.
This one says it all And explains why you were banned.
Please stop arguing and complaining.. YOU messed up.. YOU are paying the price. We have no sympathy for accoutn sharers, macroers, farmers etc...
Illyria I don't think you've understood the OP's issue from the beginning. And your replys are about as unpleasent as the OP's original post. I think he gets your "hahaha ccp wtfbbq'd you loser now die die die" point. Lay off him?
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Topaz Skydiver
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 15/02/2007 21:00:57 The only legal way to buy yourself into EVE is over gametime cards.
Like make a new account, buy gametime cards, sell them for isk with your nub char, buy a character for those isk and let the seller transfer him to your account. Then it's within the EULA. If something is fishy, the trade gets reversed, like you get your isk back and the rightfull owner his char.
( To have proof, make sure that all conversations happen ingame via convo or eve mail to have them logged )
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Grash Freedom
Gallente MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau How was he supposed to know the account was being sold on ebay? It's not as if the account names/char names are listed there.
The EULA only talks about real world currency btw, I'm not sure if that would rule out bartering for out of game objects such as EVE char for WoW account.
The problem is not only the ebayed char, but the trade for his WOW account which is as well against EULA
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drifeter
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: drifeter on 15/02/2007 21:01:36
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau How was he supposed to know the account was being sold on ebay? It's not as if the account names/char names are listed there.
The EULA only talks about real world currency btw, I'm not sure if that would rule out bartering for out of game objects such as EVE char for WoW account.
Exactly.. i can said a "friend " transfer me character but i was fair and say about who transfer me that character
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Lord Griffith
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Grash Freedom
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau How was he supposed to know the account was being sold on ebay? It's not as if the account names/char names are listed there.
The EULA only talks about real world currency btw, I'm not sure if that would rule out bartering for out of game objects such as EVE char for WoW account.
The problem is not only the ebayed char, but the trade for his WOW account which is as well against EULA
If the OP had bought this char on the forums for ISK then he would've had the char removed and his isk refunded. But he didn't. So he's out of luck. Nuff said.
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Alumion
Amarr Dragons of the Twilight Sun
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Varalonia Look at it this way, you lost your WoW account - now surely that's a good thing?
At least this thread had some purpose after all. I don't feel any sympathy for the OP he almost made my eyes bleed and he tried to buy his way into the game. (Plus he played WoW)
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Maltitol
Gallente Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:09:00 -
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just a random question... not directed at the op, but in general
when you click on 'I Agree' on game install/char creation do you read the eula? or just click it and off you go? i never read it during install.. but im not a moron to do something out of eve to benefit me in eve...
ive slowly read up on it during the almost year my char has been around though, so see what if... before i do...
Originally by: Devil Hanzo
There is no problem with Jita, there is a problem with everybody going to Jita at the same time...
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Kylania
Gallente Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: drifeter Edited by: drifeter on 15/02/2007 21:01:36
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau How was he supposed to know the account was being sold on ebay? It's not as if the account names/char names are listed there.
The EULA only talks about real world currency btw, I'm not sure if that would rule out bartering for out of game objects such as EVE char for WoW account.
Exactly.. i can said a "friend " transfer me character but i was fair and say about who transfer me that character
Even though you had good intentions and tried to play by the rules as you understood them, you still were violating the EULA by trading out of game "stuff" for an in game EVE Character.
I know it sucks for you, but while you didn't know you were doing something wrong, you were. It's fun being a newbie anyway, start a new trial account and enjoy EVE! -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap | How to Build from a BPO |
Lord Griffith
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: drifeter Edited by: drifeter on 15/02/2007 21:01:36
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau How was he supposed to know the account was being sold on ebay? It's not as if the account names/char names are listed there.
The EULA only talks about real world currency btw, I'm not sure if that would rule out bartering for out of game objects such as EVE char for WoW account.
Exactly.. i can said a "friend " transfer me character but i was fair and say about who transfer me that character
Listen,,, you can still 'buy' your way into an upper class character without playing the game. Just follow these simple steps.
1. Buy like 15 90day eve time codes from an official ccp reseller. 2. Post that you have 90day etc for sale at ~350 mil a piece. (they will sell fast) 3. Now you have like 5.2 or more bil. You should be able to pick up a half decent character for that in the sell orders forums and you're covered by the CCP eula.
lolz
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Grash Freedom
Gallente MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kylania
Originally by: drifeter Edited by: drifeter on 15/02/2007 21:01:36
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau How was he supposed to know the account was being sold on ebay? It's not as if the account names/char names are listed there.
The EULA only talks about real world currency btw, I'm not sure if that would rule out bartering for out of game objects such as EVE char for WoW account.
Exactly.. i can said a "friend " transfer me character but i was fair and say about who transfer me that character
Even though you had good intentions and tried to play by the rules as you understood them, you still were violating the EULA by trading out of game "stuff" for an in game EVE Character.
I know it sucks for you, but while you didn't know you were doing something wrong, you were. It's fun being a newbie anyway, start a new trial account and enjoy EVE!
He could have said that, and yes it is a valid reason but, in order CCP to catch him somebody reported him, and in my understanding he was reported by the second party of the trade, so even if he told that it was transfered by a friend the "friend" reported him :(
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Alumion
Amarr Dragons of the Twilight Sun
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Maltitol just a random question... not directed at the op, but in general
when you click on 'I Agree' on game install/char creation do you read the eula? or just click it and off you go? i never read it during install.. but im not a moron to do something out of eve to benefit me in eve...
ive slowly read up on it during the almost year my char has been around though, so see what if... before i do...
I've read it when I started my trial, but not once ever since
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NIkis
Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: NIkis on 15/02/2007 22:03:40
Originally by: Grash Freedom Edited by: Grash Freedom on 15/02/2007 20:41:05 4. ILLEGAL TRANSFER OF GAME ITEMS An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player is found to be:
a. Selling in-game goods or services for real world currency through an online auction site or any other venue. b. Advertising the sale of EVE in-game goods or services for real world currency through an online auction site by using the in-game chat channels, through our forums or by any other venue. Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however. warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player:
a. Buys in-game goods or services for real world currency through an online auction site or any other venue.
Seems to me an awful lot of people don't know how to read. You know what 'real world currency' means right ? Now.. if person A ebayed the char to person B, and person B made a friendly trade of this char to person C (in exchange for a WOW account), where's the real world currency come into play except in the A-B transaction ? Why is person C punished for this ? I also think devs don't know how to read their own logs. Learn2read ?
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He could have said that, and yes it is a valid reason but, in order CCP to catch him somebody reported him, and in my understanding he was reported by the second party of the trade, so even if he told that it was transfered by a friend the "friend" reported him :(
It doesn't matter who reported him, I'm just curious if CCP banned all the accounts of person A and B as i'd wager they got more than one, seeing they only have made a poor justice IMO in baning C's account. But seeing as the dev's dont even know how to read their own logs (as per the last scandal, read in the blogs of the new 'Director of Internal security'), I highly doubt they are acting according to their so called 'zero tolerance policy' .
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Desash
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:12:00 -
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This raises a related issue that if you bought an EVE account, and if you didn't already have a different EVE account active at the time of purchase, you aren't actually a subscriber to CCP until the time you log in with the newly acquired account.
This would surely mean that at the point when an account was bought, said buyer would not be under any legal commitment to obey the EULA. Ergo, it could be argued a buyer could not have broken the EULA by buying an account.
I don't propose this as an argument for the OP but the question of exactly when you are obliged to honour the EULA remains.
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Adrian Kerensky
Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: drifeter The ideea is i don`t know was a ebay account and why ccp don`t ban when was in ebay . I don`t know was buyed from ebay ..period
I think you'll find in every legal system in existence that - among other things - ignorance is not an excuse.
'I didn't know the gun was loaded' 'I didn't know knives could kill' 'I didn't know stealing was wrong' 'I didn't know buying MMO items from ebay was wrong' 'I didn't know it was an ebay bought account' etc, etc, etc...
No difference in EVE unless I am mistaken. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil
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Lord Griffith
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Desash This raises a related issue that if you bought an EVE account, and if you didn't already have a different EVE account active at the time of purchase, you aren't actually a subscriber to CCP until the time you log in with the newly acquired account.
This would surely mean that at the point when an account was bought, said buyer would not be under any legal commitment to obey the EULA. Ergo, it could be argued a buyer could not have broken the EULA by buying an account.
I don't propose this as an argument for the OP but the question of exactly when you are obliged to honour the EULA remains.
My guess is that the EULA says somewhere in there that by using the software you imply that you have read and agreed to the EULA. lol.
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NIkis
Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Adrian Kerensky
I think you'll find in every legal system in existence that - among other things - ignorance is not an excuse.
'I didn't know the gun was loaded' 'I didn't know knives could kill' 'I didn't know stealing was wrong' 'I didn't know buying MMO items from ebay was wrong' 'I didn't know it was an ebay bought account' etc, etc, etc...
No difference in EVE unless I am mistaken.
No difference? i see a big difference This is a 3rd party whose 'fault' is owning the gun/knife after someone else committed a crime with it ;) But american justice is always right huh :)
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teeze
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:32:00 -
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I have sympathy with the OP.
It appears you have been the victim of "recieving stolen goods" where it doesn't matter if you knew or not whether the goods were stolen, the authorities have the right to sieze those goods.
I think that if the character had not been traded on E-Bay prior to the transfer then there would have been no breach of the EULA, and I think the people who are jumping on this are being premature...
"fancy trying WoW.. I am bored, here have my character..."
"thats great, and I now have no time to play eve, do you want to try, here have my character...."
No trade, just a coincidental returning of a favour.
Unfortunately there is no way of checking if a character has been e-bayed in the past, and therefore checking whether or not that character might get banned for something prior.
You have been the victim of a scam from the person who traded, and there is little that can be done I am afraid. It is a poor introduction to what is a wonderful game, compounded by a few people's intolerance to those that do not have the same fluent english skills, or the patience to actually read and understand what the situation is. Rest assured the silent majority of this game are nothing like some of the representatives that have appeared in this thread. I hope you still see fit to try to return.
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Unvisibility
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:34:00 -
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Wow at the unessecary hostility in this thread. You guys are doing a great job of advertising EVE, keep it up! On top of the reputation EVE now has for being a game run by and for cheats you now want to add ignorance and intolerance to the list. WTG.
Now, the OP clearly stated that he attempted to follow the EULA in this respect. He looked up the rules, he attempted to interpret them and he seems to have done his best to follow them. He's arranged a trade with someone else and had a character transferred to his own account. Whatever the terms of that trade were it seems to me that he obeyed the rules fine there.
But CCP instead seem to have given the benefit of the doubt to one of the leaders of LV alliance instead? When this LV leader effectively scammed the OP? Gosh what a surprise...
Welcome to EVE... a game run by, and for cheaters and scammers. Welcome to the forums where you get abused because English isn't your first language, despite your best efforts to communicate in English.
Some of you attack the OP for attempting to "buy his way ahead" in EVE but isn't that exactly what's condoned every single day by the legal sale of GTC's for ISK? Isn't this kind of meta-gaming perfectly acceptable and protected when people buy and sell characters, protected by CCP no less, in the Sell Orders forum?
So why the hostility and double-standards here? Is it that you're only allowed to buy your way ahead with GTC's and purchased characters if you're good at English or an established player with a respected position in a large alliance? And less than 5% of you will have read this far, I guarantee it....
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Lord Griffith
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: teeze I have sympathy with the OP.
It appears you have been the victim of "recieving stolen goods" where it doesn't matter if you knew or not whether the goods were stolen, the authorities have the right to sieze those goods.
I think that if the character had not been traded on E-Bay prior to the transfer then there would have been no breach of the EULA, and I think the people who are jumping on this are being premature...
"fancy trying WoW.. I am bored, here have my character..."
"thats great, and I now have no time to play eve, do you want to try, here have my character...."
No trade, just a coincidental returning of a favour.
Unfortunately there is no way of checking if a character has been e-bayed in the past, and therefore checking whether or not that character might get banned for something prior.
You have been the victim of a scam from the person who traded, and there is little that can be done I am afraid. It is a poor introduction to what is a wonderful game, compounded by a few people's intolerance to those that do not have the same fluent english skills, or the patience to actually read and understand what the situation is. Rest assured the silent majority of this game are nothing like some of the representatives that have appeared in this thread. I hope you still see fit to try to return.
Originally by: Unvisibility Wow at the unessecary hostility in this thread. You guys are doing a great job of advertising EVE, keep it up! On top of the reputation EVE now has for being a game run by and for cheats you now want to add ignorance and intolerance to the list. WTG.
Now, the OP clearly stated that he attempted to follow the EULA in this respect. He looked up the rules, he attempted to interpret them and he seems to have done his best to follow them. He's arranged a trade with someone else and had a character transferred to his own account. Whatever the terms of that trade were it seems to me that he obeyed the rules fine there.
But CCP instead seem to have given the benefit of the doubt to one of the leaders of LV alliance instead? When this LV leader effectively scammed the OP? Gosh what a surprise...
Welcome to EVE... a game run by, and for cheaters and scammers. Welcome to the forums where you get abused because English isn't your first language, despite your best efforts to communicate in English.
Some of you attack the OP for attempting to "buy his way ahead" in EVE but isn't that exactly what's condoned every single day by the legal sale of GTC's for ISK? Isn't this kind of meta-gaming perfectly acceptable and protected when people buy and sell characters, protected by CCP no less, in the Sell Orders forum?
So why the hostility and double-standards here? Is it that you're only allowed to buy your way ahead with GTC's and purchased characters if you're good at English or an established player with a respected position in a large alliance? And less than 5% of you will have read this far, I guarantee it....
I've already worked this out for the op guys. =P
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Sean Dillon
Caldari LEGI0N
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Posted - 2007.02.15 23:43:00 -
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The guy sounds like he's from pakistan or somewhere near pakistan. Anyway character sales are only allowed for ingame monetary value. Means you pay isk in game, someone pays the 20 dollar trasnfer fee, and then u get the account. You can do it the way u did, but thats illegal.
I know it happens alot on the net. People quit 1 mmorpg because they are bored of it, start a new one but find themselves back as a newbie. But they still have that old account around. So what they do? They sell their game money+character on ebay or another illegal site and then buy themselves a way, with the same money, in the new MMORPG. And this is forbidden in every mmorpg I know, including eve online.
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NIkis
Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.02.16 00:56:00 -
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Edited by: NIkis on 16/02/2007 00:59:34 Edited by: NIkis on 16/02/2007 00:58:42 Edited by: NIkis on 16/02/2007 00:55:28 Edited by: NIkis on 16/02/2007 00:54:40
Originally by: Sean Dillon The guy sounds like he's from pakistan or somewhere near pakistan. Anyway character sales are only allowed for ingame monetary value. Means you pay isk in game, someone pays the 20 dollar trasnfer fee, and then u get the account. You can do it the way u did, but thats illegal.
Don't know what you smoke but i'd like some of it too. First of all theres nothing 'illegal' here. The EULA sets rules which users have to follow else they are not allowed to use the 'service' (which is access to EVE servers) anymore. Second, the EULA (which someone kindly quoted somewhere on the previous pages) says trading for real life cash = ban. I don't see any real cash being involved. A wow account is not cash. As someone mentioned afterwards, maybe it can't even be considered a trade. Third, some of your ancestors might have come from Pakistan, who knows. So don't be so derisive of our poster's background mkay ?
Oh and also CCP admitted to him that he has done nothing wrong but they can't help it Now thats funny !
Last edit: it's not a big surprise to see this happen, when we're talking of a character who had some weight in a big alliance (someone mentioned it) so its quite obvious CCP might have additional motivations to keep the small guy quiet ;)
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 01:04:00 -
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On a more productive note, your one stop shop for help in all matters is kieron- drop him an email (I THINK its [email protected]). If it really was a mistake he can help you, and if you really were banned for a good reason, he can tell you what it is. --------
Originally by: Constantine Arcanum most problems can be solved with chloroform.
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Altrex
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Posted - 2007.02.16 02:12:00 -
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Conclusive proof ladies and gentlemen that WoW kills brain cells.
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allanvv
Solar Wind
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Posted - 2007.02.16 02:26:00 -
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English is obviously not this guy's first language, so why is everyone making fun of him because of that?
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Anila's Delight
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Posted - 2007.02.16 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: allanvv English is obviously not this guy's first language, so why is everyone making fun of him because of that?
Because he plays (or did) WoW. Just reading that far caused my eyes to bleed and my hair to catch fire.
A message from the Surgen Genral: Warning, WoW lowers your IQ by killing braincells.
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.02.16 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: teeze
I think that if the character had not been traded on E-Bay prior to the transfer then there would have been no breach of the EULA, and I think the people who are jumping on this are being premature...
"fancy trying WoW.. I am bored, here have my character..."
"thats great, and I now have no time to play eve, do you want to try, here have my character...."
No trade, just a coincidental returning of a favour.
He broke the EULA making the trade like that. It was his misfortune that the character had a history that flagged it for investigation.
Your wording above is very disingenious, the intent of the OP was to buy himself ahead. A snappily worded rebuttal doesn't change that
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Santiago Cortes
Caldari Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.16 02:54:00 -
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