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drifeter
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Posted - 2007.02.15 19:53:00 -
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I will explain chronologic the events. I am a ex WOW player and i had decide to start play again eve , eve i let it for a short period in beta for a short time for those who know wow the character had tier 2 full and was high warlord , i work for that char a lot .Discusing in wow with friends at some point i was contact by a person who make me a offer to change accounts, i go on site of eve-online and read the EULA i realize that CCP don`t allow to change accounts so i ask to transfer in my account character so i was legaly with EULA. I ask a printscreen of character and i was agreed with that. After transfer end with HELP of CCP and i see all is ok AFTER TRANSFER ,all was ok .But after 5 days i see with consternation my account was banned, the reason was BUY FROM EBAY character.After 100 petitions where i ask what heapen i get a reply when it tell me i break EULA buying from ebay with real money After some time i find that the character was to a leader of lotka voltera (and now i understand the fear of CCP to disturb a powerfoul alliance),and very strange after 5 days of transfer , the guy who own it, post on forum and denounce he`s self because he try sell it on ebay.I don`t know if i am only one in that tranzaction but i am sure CCP can check the route of character until it end in my account.After changes of petitions with CCP ,even CCP recognize my right to hold this character and i was right , with reason atlist 2 ppl own this character break EULA(original owner and maybe the buyer) CCP refuse my right to hold this character.IF CCP put this problem like this , why CCP allow transfer without check the legitim of character,if CCP make this verification before transfer to me i wasn`t in this situation to lose my wow character and bann from CCP. I start to think and ask my self about the morality and implication of CCP in the normal course of game . I respect all rules of CCP , and i ask the same thing from them. I ASK a lot ? CCP keep say to me someone brake EULA and i don`t, then why i have to pay for what others do .I tought because i do account according to EULA i am protect.However i can`t defend my self at what heapen , i am not a child and i consider i am a educated person and respect rules of conduct and i open this thread to hear what other players think about this about my situation.I hope someone from CCP read this and realise what ridiculos is this situation and ccp will get right actions . I keep give to CCP all information need to fix this situation . Ty
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Bluebeard
LoneStar Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.15 19:59:00 -
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Wow, paragraphs are your friend
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Jak Flash
Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:00:00 -
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Maybe its just me, but God that hurt my head to read. Be aware that we will all be better off if you never post here again!
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Oblivionix
SRBI
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: drifeter
I am a ex WOW player and i had decide to start play again eve , eve i let it for a short period in beta for a short time for those who know wow the character had tier 2 full and was high warlord , i work for that char a lot
stopped reading there
guess whats coming soon (hint: )
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Kehmor
Caldari PAK
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:04:00 -
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you have left wow, you are still on top.
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Asinia Au
Amarr Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:04:00 -
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I have to congratulate myself for this one! I made it nearly a third of the way through the initial post before my eyes started bleeding and my head felt as if it would explode.
/me pats herself on the back.
Now, where are the aspirin, please?
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Illyria Ambri
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:04:00 -
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This is what happens when you try to buy your way into a game.. you get burned.
ONLY the orig. owner of the account is allowed to play. NO MMO EULA allows account sharing as thats exactly what the farmers do. Hence they use it as reason to ban accounts.
YOU made the mistake of assuming you could buy your way into the game.
You traded your crap account for an EVE one then had CCP transfer your previous character onto the freshly bought account. This probably cought their attention that you had a different name.. were asking about swapping charactrers and they saw or already had the account under investigation.
So question is.. if you were just going to use your previous character.. why "buy" the new one?
Did you really think that CCP was going to sit back as they notice someone sharing an account against their EULA?
You honestly have ZERO right to complain as you admitted you gained access to an account that wasn't yours which equates to account sharing which equates to a ban.
Congrats.. Hope it was money well spent. Next time dont try to buy your way to the top.
------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Happiness is a warm railgun |
Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:06:00 -
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First of all. Paragraphs are your friend! Ok??
Now.
I could not read it all. My eyes where pretty sore after reading half of it, but from what I understood you got a EVE character transfered to you the legal. While the first owner of the eve character got a wow account in trade? If so this is correct you have broken the EULA with trading EVE items against non-eve items. That is a breech on the eula. Only EVE items can be swapped.
Second. The first owner might have bought the character from Ebay or what ever. The GMs seemed to have evidence enough to proove it was on ebay. If so they will ban it. No matter who is the current owner.
You should ask to have the case escalated to a senior GM. He/she will settle the case for you. Be ready to provide as much info you can! You will need it! And oh ye. Screenshots aint good enough I am afraid...
Another advice, discussing moderations and bans aint allowed. So my best advice is cotact a senior GM. he will settle the case for you!
Good luck!
Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
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Lori Carlyle
LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:07:00 -
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Buying your way to the top is bad!... Nice work CCP. ------------------------------------------
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Xaroth Brook
Minmatar Doomcraft
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Bluebeard Wow, paragraphs are your friend
not to mention an english for dummies book...
@OP: All ingame items belong to CCP, that includes your characters.. if the original account was ebayed, CCP will most likely block that account, but in your case you were foolish enough to trust a man for his word.. which, even in wow, is the most unwise thing to do when you're not familiar with things.
I also doubt that CCP is 'scared' of the big alliances, and heck, even if there was one, it'd be BoB, not LV.. as everybody in the bandwagon knows every dev plays in bob </tinfoilhat> ... You, however, assume by reading two posts that CCP has to be afraid for that alliance for some unclear reason, and that therefore, they banned you... Get real.
Also, if you would have read the Information Portal, which has that name for a reason, you'd know that there is a way to get a second oppinion on a GM's ruling, if not, I suggest you go read the few hundred posts about the new boss of Internal Affairs.. it only gets mentioned about a few thousand times in that thread. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Xaroth Brook Brainiac of Doomcraft |
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Lowanaera
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:16:00 -
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Someone please help me, my eyes are bleeding.
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Grash Freedom
Gallente MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:17:00 -
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Edited by: Grash Freedom on 15/02/2007 20:14:08 You made a trade, a character for???
If it was for RL money, then breach of EULA=banned If it was for a WOW account=breach of EULA=banned
Let us know what you did trade the character for and then we can discuss it
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drifeter
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:19:00 -
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It was a transfer character it don`t matter transfer is legal i don`t break any EULA ...Isn`t my fault the owner sell it on ebay
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:20:00 -
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Too much wow makes your brain fart when you try to write more than one line of text.
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Kerushi
Caldari AeroSpace Engineering
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Liu Kaskakka Too much wow makes your brain fart when you try to write more than one line of text.
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Grash Freedom
Gallente MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Grash Freedom on 15/02/2007 20:19:55
Originally by: drifeter It was a transfer character it don`t matter transfer is legal i don`t break any EULA ...Isn`t my fault the owner sell it on ebay
Can you explaine a bit, you bought your character from Ebay?? or not if you bought the character from ebay, then yes you must be banned, and its your fault, EULA states that you are not allowed to trade ingame items/characters for RL cash or any other out of game stuff, including WOW accounts
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drifeter
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:26:00 -
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Read post I DON`T BUY IT FROM EBAY OTHER BUY IT AND TRANSFER TO MY ACCOUNT AT EXCHANGE OF WOW CHARACTER..
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Grash Freedom
Gallente MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: Grash Freedom on 15/02/2007 20:24:10
Originally by: drifeter Read post I DON`T BUY IT FROM EBAY OTHER BUY IT AND TRANSFER TO MY ACCOUNT AT EXCHANGE OF WOW CHARACTER..
ITS AGAINST EULA!!!! WHAT PART YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND??? You are not allowed to trade characters!
EVE items/characters for EVE items/characters
AND NOT EVE items/characters for WOW ACCOUNT =ILLEGAL
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Naqisaki
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:27:00 -
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Sounds like he swapped a wow character for an eve one. Seems cpp allowed the transaction somehow then found out what he really ment later on. I hope you didn't give you secret pass to anyone in wow, just change the account back to you,.
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drifeter
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:28:00 -
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finnaly someone have a little brain ..gz
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drifeter
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Grash Freedom Edited by: Grash Freedom on 15/02/2007 20:24:10
Originally by: drifeter Read post I DON`T BUY IT FROM EBAY OTHER BUY IT AND TRANSFER TO MY ACCOUNT AT EXCHANGE OF WOW CHARACTER..
ITS AGAINST EULA!!!! WHAT PART YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND??? You are not allowed to trade characters!
EVE items/characters for EVE items/characters You break eula if u transfer ur character on other friend account ?
AND NOT EVE items/characters for WOW ACCOUNT =ILLEGAL
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Grash Freedom
Gallente MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: drifeter
You break eula if u transfer ur character on other friend account ?
No if the trade is for nothing! you made a trade your WOW account for an EVE account, nomatter what you say its against the rules,
You did not recieve the character from a friend, but from a stranger that wanted your WOW account
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Lord Griffith
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:34:00 -
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I'm pretty sure that he WAS going to trade account for account but instead had someone do a character transfer into HIS old eve account. Which is the legal way. Whether or not he gave a WOW account to get this guy to transfer a char to his eve account is of no concern to anyone. If i want to sleep with your sister to get her to transfer me her char the legal way then thats just fine. Doesn't sound like he broke a rule... sounds like he was transferred a char that had been passed around or part of a passed around account. But, since he didn't pay ISK for the character,,, I don't really see how CCP can do anything for him. Tough luck drifeter. You lost out on this one bud.
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Naqisaki
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:36:00 -
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Ah that would make more sense.
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Kerushi
Caldari AeroSpace Engineering
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: drifeter finnaly someone have a little brain ..gz
brain is got when can`t read english
if u can read english, u can`t make heads or tails from that post
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Grash Freedom
Gallente MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:38:00 -
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7.b From EULA
Selling Items and Objects You may not transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, currency, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above. You may not encourage or induce any other person to participate in such a prohibited transaction. The buying, selling or auctioning (or any attempt at doing so) of characters, character attributes, items, currency, or objects, whether through online auctions (such as ebay), newsgroups, postings on message boards or any other means is prohibited by the EULA and a violation of CCP's proprietary rights in the Game.
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Illyria Ambri
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:40:00 -
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Its simple..
The account you traded your WoW accoutn for was at some point associated with an ebay auction.. CCP noticed this and banned it.
It dosent matter if you legally transfered your character to the new account or not. The account you traded for was touched by ebay so therefor it was touched by the ban hammer.
The MOST you could possibly manage to retrieve is your character off that account and back to your origional one you said you had. This only if CCP realizes that you did the transfer before the ban but after the ebay. No promises though.
Either way No matter how you want ot argue about it.
You traded/bought an EVE account this in itself = ban In your greed to be the best you happened to receive an ebay'd account.. this also = ban
You transfered your character to the ebayed account and this = ban.
In conclusion you broke the EULA, by trafficking in ebay'd accounts/characters and got your buss banned for it. You have no leg to stand on.
------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Happiness is a warm railgun |
Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:47:00 -
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You may only trade eve chars/items for other eve chars/items.
You traded an eve char for something other then an eve char/item, therefore you broke the EULA and got banned.
Pretty simple. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =- |
drifeter
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:47:00 -
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The ideea is i don`t know was a ebay account and why ccp don`t ban when was in ebay . I don`t know was buyed from ebay ..period
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drifeter
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:53:00 -
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You may transfer a character from your account to another account, either belonging to you or another person. This transfer option is available from the EVE Online Account Management web site https://secure.eve-online.com/login.asp and is subject to fees and the following limitations:
1. You may not offer to transfer characters except your own, or act as a "broker" or intermediary (for compensation or otherwise) for anyone wishing to transfer or obtain characters. 2. The transferee will obtain all rights to your character in a single transaction, and you will retain absolutely no control or rights over the characters, items or attributes of that character. 3. You may not transfer any characters whose attributes are, in whole or in part, developed, or which own items, objects or currency obtained or acquired, in violation of the EULA.
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