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JacenSolo
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.08 00:35:28 -
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I heard some really bad things over the years about a certain group of players. After returning recently I was approached by them to recruit me to their very large company. I decided what the heck. Its been a long time since I was in a Large Alliance and thought it would be nice for a change.
If a man named MetalDev or christmascaveman from [AM0K] approach any of you about joining their corp, its a strong bet they just want to rob you. I was told i was in and if i needed help moving my ships, they would be more than happy. So after moving everything i owned we had to wait for the mysterious CEO to approve or disapprove my application. The next time I logged in im told the CEO was suspicious of me and needed collateral to ensure i was not some sort of spy. Well API in hand i couldnt really hide anything so im like yeah sure. After about 6B give or take a few couple hundred mill im told im declined because i dont have a mining permit.
I say this knowing it will be deleted in 5 minutes. I dont know if ill get banned or not but i dont care. I knew coming back to this game after so many years would be challenging. I could probably make the money up with some hard work in a couple of months but i dont have it in me. What does amaze me is that CCP allows this and encourages it to be honest. Just fired my second account up yesterday because i was excited to be back and finally a part of something again.
Dont be a chump like me. Stick with small fun corps who just want to have fun. There are some really disgusting people in the world. How naive ive become to continue to expect the best from people. The thing is that someone who would steal here would steal from you any chance they got if they were to see you on the street as well. Learn from my lesson the few people who read this before its deleted. |

Azda Ja
Meticulously Indifferent
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Posted - 2016.03.08 00:42:49 -
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Deleted no. Moved to the appropriate forum and or locked? Yes.
JacenSolo wrote:The thing is that someone who would steal here would steal from you any chance they got if they were to see you on the street as well. Yes, and people who play GTA are all car thieves and spree killers.
Grrr.
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JacenSolo
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.08 00:47:44 -
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Thanks for the help. But by the time i get finished spamming it every where it will be deleted |

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.03.08 00:55:28 -
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dude it has nothing to do with large or small corps. You have to use reasonable expectations in dealing with other people.
You could have been scammed just as easily by a lone player as a large corp. |

ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:00:36 -
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This thread has been moved to Crime and Punishment, where all Nitshe alt threads go. :P
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Evemails.
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JacenSolo
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:05:47 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:dude it has nothing to do with large or small corps. You have to use reasonable expectations in dealing with other people.
You could have been scammed just as easily by a lone player as a large corp. No i couldnt have. I didnt expect an established powerful corp like that to do this. They certainly dont need my ships.
I would never have trusted an unknown corp to do this and if you read what I wrote you can tell im not asking for sympathy. Im simply telling people what happened so they can avoid. Too bad i never noticed the crime and punishment area until now. :) |

Paranoid Loyd
8617
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:06:42 -
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JacenSolo wrote:The thing is that someone who would steal here would steal from you any chance they got if they were to see you on the street as well. Confirming I destroy commercial haulers in RL whenever the opportunity presents itself and scoop whatever loot is left after the glorious explosion.
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JacenSolo
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:06:51 -
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What do you mean by alt |

JacenSolo
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:07:40 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:JacenSolo wrote:The thing is that someone who would steal here would steal from you any chance they got if they were to see you on the street as well. Confirming I destroy commercial haulers in RL whenever the opportunity presents itself and scoop whatever loot is left after the glorious explosion. I didnt say people do the same thing in RL as they do here. Simply saying a thief is a thief anywhere |

Raiz Nhell
Oceanic Death Squad SpaceMonkey's Alliance
500
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:12:30 -
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He means that you have been thrown to the wolves...
Just relax and try and find a safe place within your mind... this is not going to be easy, you will not enjoy it :)
Also...
Really 6 BILLION before you worked out this was a scam... DaYam!!!
And if you really equate video game behavior to RL behavior you have a lot more issues than just being scammed.
There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:12:42 -
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JacenSolo wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:JacenSolo wrote:The thing is that someone who would steal here would steal from you any chance they got if they were to see you on the street as well. Confirming I destroy commercial haulers in RL whenever the opportunity presents itself and scoop whatever loot is left after the glorious explosion. I didnt say people do the same thing in RL as they do here. Simply saying a thief is a thief anywhere How is what you meant to say any different? I have stolen and killed billions in this game, in RL I have never stolen or blown anything up. So no, what you originally said and what you are back peddling to say are both misinformed untrue statements.
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JacenSolo
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:13:36 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:JacenSolo wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:JacenSolo wrote:The thing is that someone who would steal here would steal from you any chance they got if they were to see you on the street as well. Confirming I destroy commercial haulers in RL whenever the opportunity presents itself and scoop whatever loot is left after the glorious explosion. I didnt say people do the same thing in RL as they do here. Simply saying a thief is a thief anywhere How is what you meant to say any different? I have stolen and killed billions in this game, in RL I have never stolen or blown anything up. So no, what you originally said and what you are back peddling to say are both misinformed untrue statements. Then im calling you a liar. You have stolen or attempted to steal in RL. |

JacenSolo
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:16:54 -
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Raiz Nhell wrote:He means that you have been thrown to the wolves... Just relax and try and find a safe place within your mind... this is not going to be easy, you will not enjoy it :) Also... Really 6 BILLION before you worked out this was a scam... DaYam!!! And if you really equate video game behavior to RL behavior you have a lot more issues than just being scammed. Meh yeah it does. Im not even really as pissed as i would think id need to be. Just got back in the game and no time really invested in it in years. Im embarrassed as much as anything because i tend to think far too highly of people. Of course I know people who have been robbed on here by so called long time friends. Its the world we live in |

Paranoid Loyd
8618
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:16:55 -
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No I haven't, you know why? Because it's OK to do when there is no actual loss and you are playing a game, it's not OK to do when there is actual loss and the rules are different. I can see the difference between RL and video games.
I would argue you are the one with issues if you can't make the distinction.
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JacenSolo
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:18:12 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:No I haven't, you know why? Because it's OK to do when there is no actual loss and you are playing a game, it's not OK to do when there is actual loss and the rules are different. I can see the difference between RL and video games.
I would argue you are the one with issues if you can't make the distinction. There is an actual loss. If you dont see that then you have the lines blurred.
BTW i apologize, I dont know you and i shouldn't have called you a liar. I just don't see why you are so passionate about defending thief's. |

Paranoid Loyd
8618
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:19:36 -
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JacenSolo wrote:BTW i apologize, I dont know you and i shouldn't have called you a liar. I just don't see why you are so passionate about defending thief's. I'm not passionate about defending thieves, I am passionate about correcting people who think if you do something in a video game you must be a bad person.
And no, space pixels is not actual loss, it's space pixels.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14594
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:20:06 -
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JacenSolo wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:JacenSolo wrote:The thing is that someone who would steal here would steal from you any chance they got if they were to see you on the street as well. Confirming I destroy commercial haulers in RL whenever the opportunity presents itself and scoop whatever loot is left after the glorious explosion. I didnt say people do the same thing in RL as they do here. Simply saying a thief is a thief anywhere What about those of us who like to hunt our fellow man for sport ?
Better the Devil you know.
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JacenSolo
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:21:52 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:JacenSolo wrote:BTW i apologize, I dont know you and i shouldn't have called you a liar. I just don't see why you are so passionate about defending thief's. I'm not passionate about defending thieves, I am passionate about correcting people who think if you do something in a video game you must be a bad person. And no, space pixels is not actual loss, it's space pixels. I get it, shoot me, blow my ship up, etc etc.. Thats not bad, thats what the game is designed to do.
I was naive and i admitted it. Im not sure what else you want. Im trying to simply vent and let people know what happened and you are just here attacking me for letting people know. |

JacenSolo
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:22:41 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:JacenSolo wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:JacenSolo wrote:The thing is that someone who would steal here would steal from you any chance they got if they were to see you on the street as well. Confirming I destroy commercial haulers in RL whenever the opportunity presents itself and scoop whatever loot is left after the glorious explosion. I didnt say people do the same thing in RL as they do here. Simply saying a thief is a thief anywhere What about those of us who like to hunt our fellow man for sport ?
Umm ok |

Paranoid Loyd
8618
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:22:52 -
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Vent away, just don't throw out fallacies in the process.
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JacenSolo
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:23:59 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:JacenSolo wrote:BTW i apologize, I dont know you and i shouldn't have called you a liar. I just don't see why you are so passionate about defending thief's. I'm not passionate about defending thieves, I am passionate about correcting people who think if you do something in a video game you must be a bad person. And no, space pixels is not actual loss, it's space pixels. Time is money and years invested in this game is time and money. You obviously dont get where im coming from and im not going to agree that you have it all figured out.. |

JacenSolo
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:24:52 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Vent away, just don't throw out fallacies in the process. Throw out whatever i like.. Take away my pixels i guess |

Paranoid Loyd
8619
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:26:52 -
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The time and money invested is in the interest of entertainment for a game with a very unique set of rules. If you lose isk during said entertainment it's because you made a mistake, it's all in the game. Learn from the mistake and move on. As soon as you can get that through your head, the game will be a lot more fun.
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JacenSolo
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:28:19 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:The time and money invested is in the interest of entertainment for a game with a very unique set of rules. If you lose isk during said entertainment, it's all in the game. As soon as you can get that through your head, the game will be a lot more fun. Agreed but I dont have to like it. I mean I really do understand this is a game. You dont have to convince me of that much. I just am pissed at myself right now. |

Paranoid Loyd
8619
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:33:06 -
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Fair enough, have a nice stiff drink, brush yourself off and get on with it.
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Raiz Nhell
Oceanic Death Squad SpaceMonkey's Alliance
500
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:38:23 -
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JacenSolo wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:JacenSolo wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:JacenSolo wrote:The thing is that someone who would steal here would steal from you any chance they got if they were to see you on the street as well. Confirming I destroy commercial haulers in RL whenever the opportunity presents itself and scoop whatever loot is left after the glorious explosion. I didnt say people do the same thing in RL as they do here. Simply saying a thief is a thief anywhere What about those of us who like to hunt our fellow man for sport ? Umm ok
He is saying that he is someone with a particular set of in game skills, skills that make him a nightmare, skills that result in capsuleers exploding violently, often unexpectedly.
Your reasoning means that he does this in real life cause he does this in game. I do not think that Ralph is a skilled, calculating, mercenary killer (Please correct me if I'm wrong Ralph)
Your reasoning is flawed and I hope you do not play CoD, cause that will blow your mind :)
There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
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JacenSolo
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:41:49 -
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Again an intended game mechanic. We are going in circles though. |

Memphis Baas
1288
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Posted - 2016.03.08 02:11:26 -
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If you had the opportunity to scam 6b ISK from someone, would you?
If you had an industrial ship target-locked and about to blow up, knowing it had 12b (6b chance to drop) in its cargo, would you take the shot?
What about just an industrial ship, with no clue to its cargo (could be empty)?
The point is, for some it's a game with pixels with no value.
For others, there's definitely value but it's still a game of shooting spaceships; don't play if you can't handle the loss. Imagine playing chess against someone who freaked out every time you took a piece.
And others, like you, have a moral code that they adhere to even inside a game, that not many share (a few do). This game emulates war, and there is no chivalry in war.
This scam is not new. It's been listed in various guides for a long time now. EVE comes with the warning that scams and other "nefarious" actions are allowed. And the players like the game the way it is (that's why they play it), and often victims of scams or PVP have a tendency to demand that CCP change the game, which the rest of the community would prefer they don't.
Make of it what you will, but my question is this: do you still find the concept of this game fun? If yes, even 6B, you can recover / restart. If not, then there's no point in playing a game that you don't find fun.
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JacenSolo
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.08 02:33:25 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:If you had the opportunity to scam 6b ISK from someone, would you? If you had an industrial ship target-locked and about to blow up, knowing it had 12b (6b chance to drop) in its cargo, would you take the shot? What about just an industrial ship, with no clue to its cargo (could be empty)? The point is, for some it's a game with pixels with no value. For others, there's definitely value but it's still a game of shooting spaceships; don't play if you can't handle the loss. Imagine playing chess against someone who freaked out every time you took a piece. And others, like you, have a moral code that they adhere to even inside a game, that not many share (a few do). This game emulates war, and there is no chivalry in war. This scam is not new. It's been listed in various guides for a long time now. EVE comes with the warning that scams and other "nefarious" actions are allowed. And the players like the game the way it is (that's why they play it), and often victims of scams or PVP have a tendency to demand that CCP change the game, which the rest of the community would prefer they don't. Make of it what you will, but my question is this: do you still find the concept of this game fun? If yes, even 6B, you can recover / restart. If not, then there's no point in playing a game that you don't find fun. I follow you. Yes the scam isnt new, its certainly evolved and ive lost prospective being gone so long i guess. Yeah ill get over it but i still want to complain abit more. |

Alek Stormdax
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.08 03:05:58 -
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Sorry that this happened to you. Yes, its a game but I would never do anything to cause someone loss of time and money unless they had it coming. Hope you don't give up on the game but learn from it and live another day to have fun destroying those who deserve it. Get even and, if fate has it, It would my honor to be by your side when you do it. |
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