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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
5232
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Posted - 2016.02.15 15:04:02 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:... If it is not in your Bio ... its nowhere. Could it be? Are you starting to get it? "Know thy enemy" has flown out the window. You are about to be prepared. Its not about the convenience of knowledge. Its about surprise.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
323
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Posted - 2016.02.15 15:06:13 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:... If it is not in your Bio ... its nowhere. Could it be? Are you starting to get it? "Know thy enemy" has flown out the window. Less free intel because the character could be something entirely different than he was before. That's bad for the game?
That's actually good for the game.
People keep talking about risk, but they try to avoid it by knowing what their target has. Now they will have to take a chance. |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
263
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Posted - 2016.02.15 15:15:31 -
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PsiMin wrote:Lathael wrote:This destroys a lot for me. Ouch.
Can someone do the math for me and tell me how much that costs?
Thx in advance *sigh* around 1.8trillon isk you can have a maxed char, CCP has destroyed this game as its now P2W, if you have the isk you can have max chars
you win Eve when your character is maxed? |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
13633
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Posted - 2016.02.15 15:16:18 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:So SP farm is your point? That was done before you know... History Time Public information.
#1 Eff who ever is responsible for SP trading at CCP for they are also responsible for making me aggree with Jenshae Chiroptera.
#2. SP trading is far worse than the character bazaar for more than just history, time, and public information. There is also finality.
I've sold 4 characters in my time in EVE. I was fine with 3 of them but I grew to regret one of them. I had something of an attachment to that character but I sold it because it was worth alot and I already had 4 other characters that could do the same things, and I wanted the isk to speed up some lvl 5 mission experiments I was conducting.
When i sold it, it was gone. NOW no such thing has to happen. You can drain a character of it's SP, and if you come to regret doing that, all you need to do is retrain it. All it cost you was a bit of time. CCP took something that was almost irreversible (I say almost because theoretically you could by the character back, but the owner would have to be willing to sell which might not be the case) and turned it into a renewable resource. Already, the alts I drained are training new SP for me to sell.
In a way, they have replicated their Cosmic Anomaly mistake of 2009. For Dominion CCP took cosmic anomalies (which were minor easy to find encounters that could escalate to complexes) and made them the center of the system upgrade scheme. Instantly they proved to be bad for the economy leading to a series of nerfs then buffs then nerfs that have left them in their current state. It was a mistake, anoms were never built for that, so now we have this 20 trillion isk per month afkable nightmare situation that totally Fs up the EVE economy in several ways.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
323
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Posted - 2016.02.15 15:16:35 -
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embrel wrote:PsiMin wrote:Lathael wrote:This destroys a lot for me. Ouch.
Can someone do the math for me and tell me how much that costs?
Thx in advance *sigh* around 1.8trillon isk you can have a maxed char, CCP has destroyed this game as its now P2W, if you have the isk you can have max chars you win Eve when your character is maxed?
Only if that is the goal you set yourself. |
Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
323
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Posted - 2016.02.15 15:28:44 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
I've sold 4 characters in my time in EVE. I was fine with 3 of them but I grew to regret one of them. I had something of an attachment to that character but I sold it because it was worth alot and I already had 4 other characters that could do the same things, and I wanted the isk to speed up some lvl 5 mission experiments I was conducting.
When i sold it, it was gone. NOW no such thing has to happen. You can drain a character of it's SP, and if you come to regret doing that, all you need to do is retrain it. All it cost you was a bit of time. CCP took something that was almost irreversible (I say almost because theoretically you could by the character back, but the owner would have to be willing to sell which might not be the case) and turned it into a renewable resource. Already, the alts I drained are training new SP for me to sell.
My old characters are in Doomheim, it seems a bad move now as I could of used the isk and extracted the sp for this one. But I don't really regret it as for me at the time I decided it was the right thing to do.
You sold a character and you regretted it, what's that got to do with your present character?
Are your characters like employees and you are playing at being their manager? And regret letting a good employee go?
You're talking about how you feel outside of the game, those kind of concequences don't matter in-game. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
13633
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Posted - 2016.02.15 15:45:35 -
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Avvy wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
I've sold 4 characters in my time in EVE. I was fine with 3 of them but I grew to regret one of them. I had something of an attachment to that character but I sold it because it was worth alot and I already had 4 other characters that could do the same things, and I wanted the isk to speed up some lvl 5 mission experiments I was conducting.
When i sold it, it was gone. NOW no such thing has to happen. You can drain a character of it's SP, and if you come to regret doing that, all you need to do is retrain it. All it cost you was a bit of time. CCP took something that was almost irreversible (I say almost because theoretically you could by the character back, but the owner would have to be willing to sell which might not be the case) and turned it into a renewable resource. Already, the alts I drained are training new SP for me to sell.
My old characters are in Doomheim, it seems a bad move now as I could of used the isk and extracted the sp for this one. But I don't really regret it as for me at the time I decided it was the right thing to do. You sold a character and you regretted it, what's that got to do with your present character? Are your characters like employees and you are playing at being their manager? And regret letting a good employee go? You're talking about how you feel outside of the game, those kind of concequences don't matter in-game.
This is one of those moments where you realize that any reply (beyond this one sentence) would be wasted effort.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2542
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Posted - 2016.02.15 15:52:08 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:... If it is not in your Bio ... its nowhere. Could it be? Are you starting to get it? "Know thy enemy" has flown out the window. Less free intel because the character could be something entirely different than he was before. That's bad for the game? Most of the players hide at the end of Null Sec pockets / pipes or in High Sec because they are risk adverse. By the nature of people; yes, it is bad for the game.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
327
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Posted - 2016.02.15 15:58:42 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:... If it is not in your Bio ... its nowhere. Could it be? Are you starting to get it? "Know thy enemy" has flown out the window. Less free intel because the character could be something entirely different than he was before. That's bad for the game? Most of the players hide at the end of Null Sec pockets / pipes or in High Sec because they are risk adverse. By the nature of people; yes, it is bad for the game.
Do I understand you right you target those hiding? They would be hiding for a reason and if it's because they are easy targets then who's actually being risk adverse?
Edit:
But anyway, we are starting to move away from the topic of this thread. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4708
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Posted - 2016.02.15 16:01:10 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:So when this guy is primaried and podded again and again just because....that will mean what?
Keep in mind this player has spent the equivalent of $30,000 to get his 1 character to maxe in everything, but he'll die again and again to a small gang of characters with 1/10th his SP.
Unless he gangs up he is going to be everyone's favorite target.
I don't know. Does he ever undock? I don't mind him (or me if it was me) becoming New Eden's Most Wanted. That would be a kind of fun list to be on.
If he never undocks...who cares?
So he has a maxed trade alt...who doesn't?
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2601
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Posted - 2016.02.15 16:04:24 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
This is one of those moments where you realize that any reply (beyond this one sentence) would be wasted effort.
Your story about being sad about a traded character was a waste of effort. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2602
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Posted - 2016.02.15 16:07:05 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:So when this guy is primaried and podded again and again just because....that will mean what?
Keep in mind this player has spent the equivalent of $30,000 to get his 1 character to maxe in everything, but he'll die again and again to a small gang of characters with 1/10th his SP.
Unless he gangs up he is going to be everyone's favorite target.
I don't know. Does he ever undock? I don't mind him (or me if it was me) becoming New Eden's Most Wanted. That would be a kind of fun list to be on. If he never undocks...who cares? So he has a maxed trade alt...who doesn't?
Even if he does undock. He can fly any ship. Big deal. If you buy alts from the bazaar, you as a player can also do the exact same thing. The number of SP a single ship can use is limited anyway and require nowhere near the actual cap. Meanwhile, if you did it with multiple character, you can undock 2 ships at the same time while he can't because he's a single capsuler. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4711
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Posted - 2016.02.15 16:10:42 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Everything a player can normally acquire through time or effort can be bought for real life cash. Thats the thing though, time and effort is already made, nothing is conjured out of thin air There was a time, when you paid for access to a game world, where you were anonymous, role playing was the norm and people would start on a level playing field, no matter their real life circumstances.Now people can pay to cheat their way forward in games that have corrupted communities of tantrum kids. Games have become business as any other, so people throwing cash on games, and willing to spend more, will be satisfied. And remember, CCP only allows players to redistribute earned SP with other characters, something that was allowed with character bazaar earlier. Now its just more convenient, and some SP are lost.
People grow the **** up. Games have always been a business.
Can't believe I had to explain this to adults.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4711
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Posted - 2016.02.15 16:17:21 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:So when this guy is primaried and podded again and again just because....that will mean what?
Keep in mind this player has spent the equivalent of $30,000 to get his 1 character to maxe in everything, but he'll die again and again to a small gang of characters with 1/10th his SP.
Unless he gangs up he is going to be everyone's favorite target.
I don't know. Does he ever undock? I don't mind him (or me if it was me) becoming New Eden's Most Wanted. That would be a kind of fun list to be on. If he never undocks...who cares? So he has a maxed trade alt...who doesn't? Even if he does undock. He can fly any ship. Big deal. If you buy alts from the bazaar, you as a player can also do the exact same thing. The number of SP a single ship can use is limited anyway and require nowhere near the actual cap. Meanwhile, if you did it with multiple character, you can undock 2 ships at the same time while he can't because he's a single capsuler.
True $30,000 would buy alot of characters.
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Six Strangelove
Quam Singulari Triumvirate.
11
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Posted - 2016.02.15 16:21:29 -
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This was obviously very expensive to pull off. But it still feels... cheapening, somehow. |
Lasisha Mishi
Touch of Death
3
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Posted - 2016.02.15 16:22:54 -
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Teckos Pech wrote: True $30,000 would buy alot of characters.
i think $30,000 would almost get you your own private server |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4711
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Posted - 2016.02.15 16:23:49 -
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Lasisha Mishi wrote:Teckos Pech wrote: True $30,000 would buy alot of characters.
i think $30,000 would almost get you your own private server
$30,000 is many people's income...for a year.
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stg slate
We're Kind of a Big Deal
44
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Posted - 2016.02.15 16:24:36 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Everything a player can normally acquire through time or effort can be bought for real life cash. Thats the thing though, time and effort is already made, nothing is conjured out of thin air There was a time, when you paid for access to a game world, where you were anonymous, role playing was the norm and people would start on a level playing field, no matter their real life circumstances.Now people can pay to cheat their way forward in games that have corrupted communities of tantrum kids. Games have become business as any other, so people throwing cash on games, and willing to spend more, will be satisfied. And remember, CCP only allows players to redistribute earned SP with other characters, something that was allowed with character bazaar earlier. Now its just more convenient, and some SP are lost. People grow the **** up. Games have always been a business. Can't believe I had to explain this to adults.
No, games are magical unicorns built of sunshine by poor hippies without a paycheck just for the love of making games.
Any attempt to make any money from them is 'selling out' and completely invalidates all the hard 'work' of everyone who played the game EVER. Games should for some reason be a magical place where the poor don't have to worry about being **** on by those crazy 'rich' people with their 'jobs' using their wallets to replace months of repetitive grinding.
Games are serious business, EVE is real, your actions have consequences you can't escape, reputation, I played since 2004, I liked EVE before ti was cool, space Bushido o7 o7.
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Dr Caymus
Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune
153
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Posted - 2016.02.15 16:25:50 -
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I think the guy behind this deserves a plaid polyester sportcoat. He's maxed out a now 4-day-old character first, because he can, and second, to showcase the embarrassing shortcomings of the skill trading implementation. Cheesy, at best, but a bold move nonetheless. A small part of me somehow admires him.
I will say this... he's racked up over 25,000 views in just a couple of days, which suggests that skillpoints maybe do have some meaning and value. Great for Chribba's Eveboard hit count too! |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2605
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Posted - 2016.02.15 16:27:26 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:Teckos Pech wrote: True $30,000 would buy alot of characters.
i think $30,000 would almost get you your own private server $30,000 is many people's income...for a year. To put this in perspective.
15$ and hour on 40 hours week. Lots of people don't make that. And i'm not talking about poor 3rd world countries. |
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4711
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Posted - 2016.02.15 16:33:46 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:Teckos Pech wrote: True $30,000 would buy alot of characters.
i think $30,000 would almost get you your own private server $30,000 is many people's income...for a year. To put this in perspective. 15$ and hour on 40 hours week. Lots of people don't make that. And i'm not talking about poor 3rd world countries.
And that is before taxes!
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Amber Kurvora
235
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Posted - 2016.02.15 16:44:33 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:Teckos Pech wrote: True $30,000 would buy alot of characters.
i think $30,000 would almost get you your own private server $30,000 is many people's income...for a year. To put this in perspective. 15$ and hour on 40 hours week. Lots of people don't make that. And i'm not talking about poor 3rd world countries. And that is before taxes!
So we're saying people have more money then sense? |
Josef Djugashvilis
3281
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Posted - 2016.02.15 16:54:36 -
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I sincerely hope that the max skill set is some sort of hoax.
Not that I blame the player if this is indeed a true; he only did what CCP, in effect, invited players to do.
CCP have opened Pandora's Box, but so long as the cash rolls in, they will not care.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
327
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Posted - 2016.02.15 16:54:51 -
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Amber Kurvora wrote:
So we're saying people have more money then sense?
When people have much more money than they require, sense need not apply. |
Josef Djugashvilis
3283
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Posted - 2016.02.15 17:08:28 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:I dont really see the problem.
Until golden ammo it makes no difference how people earn their SP to me.
If, as the defenders of cash for skills claim it is okay because on cannot 'win' Eve, then what would be the problem with gold ammo?
Winning a fight - any fight or fights using gold ammo, does not 'win' Eve as there is no 'win'
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4711
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Posted - 2016.02.15 17:14:52 -
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Amber Kurvora wrote:
So we're saying people have more money then sense?
No, not necessarily, just that just because 1 person buys a Ferrari does not mean everyone is.
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perseus skye
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.02.15 17:25:39 -
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This is incredibly clever by the guy to draw more attention to whatever he is up too .....a whole discussion that's basically a advertisement gj |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4302
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Posted - 2016.02.15 17:30:27 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:I dont really see the problem.
Until golden ammo it makes no difference how people earn their SP to me. If, as the defenders of cash for skills claim it is okay because on cannot 'win' Eve, then what would be the problem with gold ammo? Winning a fight - any fight or fights using gold ammo, does not 'win' Eve as there is no 'win' Not sure if you understand what 'Gold Ammo' refers to.
It means things you can only buy with RL cash.
Fortunately, at the moment there's nothing in EVE that you can't acquire in-game, including SKINs and SP injectors.
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Orion Pax
Yoyodyne corporation
44
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Posted - 2016.02.15 17:39:07 -
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It's just a matter of time for hundreds of players to have maxed out SP.
I foresee a lot of people unsubbing in the near future. |
Josef Djugashvilis
3283
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Posted - 2016.02.15 17:41:41 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:I dont really see the problem.
Until golden ammo it makes no difference how people earn their SP to me. If, as the defenders of cash for skills claim it is okay because on cannot 'win' Eve, then what would be the problem with gold ammo? Winning a fight - any fight or fights using gold ammo, does not 'win' Eve as there is no 'win' Not sure if you understand what 'Gold Ammo' refers to. It means things you can only buy with RL cash. Fortunately, at the moment there's nothing in EVE that you can't acquire in-game, including SKINs and SP injectors.
My dear chap, in case you are not aware of this, CCP has introduced cash for skills, precisely to generate more cash for the company.
All else is smoke and mirrors.
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