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Obijameskenobi
Caldari Real Nice And Laidback Corporation Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.01.31 13:52:00 -
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ummmmm, this is a game right?
everyone has their own opinions, I have mine.......I only care about mine, so I dont care about yours :-)
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Trask Kilraen
The Older Gamers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.31 14:53:00 -
[92]
Just from my point of view:
Renter - approaches allaince on their own and negotiates a rental fee for access to stations/space.
Pet/Slave - Attached and defeated by alliance, who they then agree to pay "tribute" to. Also, "renters" who must provide some other service to the overlord alliance (military, mining, hauling, whatever).
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari Galaxy Punks Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.31 18:15:00 -
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Firstly I think people are using these terms in a deragotory way for situations they themselves would feel uncomfortable with. Being called a slave is never a good thing. A pet is a bit nicer in my view, but means just the same. To Be at the beck and call to the superior corp/alliance.
As Eve is a HUGE game that has only gotten bigger, many corporations, alliances and of course the human beings behind them aren't able to match against another force without help. Hence the Nap, Friends and Enemy tabs in the corp/alliance window.
Eve is a game that some people put more time and effort in than others, that's just real life and attitude. Throw in Time Zone issues on top of that and what you've got is several alliances working towards the same goal, wether they're paying rent or receiving it. It's (probably) all for the good of the entire area.
Unless CCP presses the Reset button to go back to the beginning again with no 0.0 outposts for people to call "Home" you'll get new and growing alliances or corps willing to pay rent for use of the space. And of course you'll get their enemies using it against them.
This is my personal opinion, but I would hope shared by the majority of sensible and logical members of my corp and alliance. Life is about memories the more the better. Looking for CCP to improve availability of their GTC's, for non card carriers! |
James Britanicus
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.01 06:46:00 -
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RMF is not a slave or a pet. We have made a business arrangement that suited our interests. We pay an agreed upon regular amount to the People that took the space from ASCN in a war that was lost by ASCN. In exchange we have almost complete autonomy in the space held by RMF.
To put it in perspective we pay less to BoB then we had to pay to CLS/Cyvok and we were considered a full and honored allaince member.
We the members of ascn paid huge for the privledge of letting Cyvok launch and lose the first titan in Eve. We paid huge for the 2 titans that he claims referred to in his blog, were built just before christmas day. We also paid huge for the titan that was aledgedly given to BoB to let cls move their gear out of the triangle.
What did we get in return???? What did everyone get in return??A leader that quit and spent all his eve time since making excuses about why he is a failure and the ridicule of people like you who know not what they are talking about.
TBH and I am only speaking for myself but during the 4 months I fought various BoB corps before and durng formal war decs I grew to have much more respect for them as leaders then some people that tried to hold the reins of power in ASCN. I think of all the people, Virt was the only guy that really seemed to give a **** and it was too late by then.
So what were we left holding???? A bag full of ****.
What do we have now?? Well thats none of your business, but tbh we are much further ahead now then we were before.
And before you waste the words you flamebots, your opinion has no value to me as you have no value to me.
I value the people I fly with. CoRM above all others. ****************************************************************
He thinks he is Uber, if you don't believe me, just ask him :)
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James Britanicus
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.01 06:46:00 -
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RMF is not a slave or a pet. We have made a business arrangement that suited our interests. We pay an agreed upon regular amount to the People that took the space from ASCN in a war that was lost by ASCN. In exchange we have almost complete autonomy in the space held by RMF.
To put it in perspective we pay less to BoB then we had to pay to CLS/Cyvok and we were considered a full and honored allaince member.
We the members of ascn paid huge for the privledge of letting Cyvok launch and lose the first titan in Eve. We paid huge for the 2 titans that he claims referred to in his blog, were built just before christmas day. We also paid huge for the titan that was aledgedly given to BoB to let cls move their gear out of the triangle.
What did we get in return???? What did everyone get in return??A leader that quit and spent all his eve time since making excuses about why he is a failure and the ridicule of people like you who know not what they are talking about.
TBH and I am only speaking for myself but during the 4 months I fought various BoB corps before and durng formal war decs I grew to have much more respect for them as leaders then some people that tried to hold the reins of power in ASCN. I think of all the people, Virt was the only guy that really seemed to give a **** and it was too late by then.
So what were we left holding???? A bag full of ****.
What do we have now?? Well thats none of your business, but tbh we are much further ahead now then we were before.
And before you waste the words you flamebots, your opinion has no value to me as you have no value to me.
I value the people I fly with. CoRM above all others. ****************************************************************
He thinks he is Uber, if you don't believe me, just ask him :)
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2007.02.01 07:01:00 -
[96]
Originally by: James Britanicus Stuff
lol RMF is not a Slave or a Pet, nope your are merely renting your own station from the Feudal master. A Better term would be Serf or maybe that is to harsh. I'd say freeholder but your not, Maybe indentured servant. Somehow I highly doubt you are an Equal, because Equals don't Pay rent on something the "own" to a Landholding Master.
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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James Britanicus
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.01 07:11:00 -
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Hey mutha, for a guy who was conspicously absent for 6 months and came back just in time to call everyone names and ***** about **** you certianly have a big sense of self worth. Undeserved but big.
I never said we were equals, I said a business arrangement.
Or do think that everyone in business together is an equal??/ So if I start selling vista from my home Billy and I are equals??? Give your head a shake and remember it is all CoRMs fault that ASCN failed I mean after all we lost the titan, we failed to fight in any encounter with anyone. In fact while you were fighting your ass off I was at home fingering my butthole and thinking of you. HAHAHAHA
I have too many friends in cls and other ex-ascn corps to slag across the board but you, what the frig have you ever done to deserve any respect from anyone, I have only ever heard you act like Danari and we all know how much respect he deserves.
So in closing in the words of a famous comic BLAME CANADA.
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He thinks he is Uber, if you don't believe me, just ask him :)
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2007.02.01 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: James Britanicus Hey mutha, for a guy who was conspicously absent for 6 months and came back just in time to call everyone names and ***** about **** you certianly have a big sense of self worth. Undeserved but big.
Actually I was gone for 10 months as I was Deployed to Southwest Asia with the US Navy. Want to See my DD214?
I never blamed Corm For anything. You are the one throwing blame around I am merely stating that you are more like indentured servants than slaves.
CoRM will do whatever CoRM wants and thats fine. Have Fun continue on in the Outpost you built and now rent. As long as everyone is having fun thats all that matters.
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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James Britanicus
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.01 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: MuthaTrucka As long as everyone is having fun thats all that matters.
That is one of the most sensible things anyone has written in the forums.
Carry on Soldier. ****************************************************************
He thinks he is Uber, if you don't believe me, just ask him :)
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Danari
Amarr Syncore
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Posted - 2007.02.02 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: James Britanicus CoRM above all others.
Unapologetically self-serving (read: rotten) to the core, every last one of you
You n bob deserve each other
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Marfew Jae
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.02.02 02:23:00 -
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I will not give 1 isk.I will not haul 1m3 and I will not mine 1 unit of Veld for BoB.I'll be damned if I will let BoB turn an Outpost, that I helped build ,into my cage.
and that's why I'm in an NPC corp
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PDoggy
Minmatar Valid Character Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.02 02:27:00 -
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"Vassal" is a more polite and accurate term as it better reflects the feudal system that has developped between conquering alliances and tribute-paying conquered alliances. - I have mailed [email protected], and while awaiting a response I will use this sig because it violates no rules If you support this movement, use this sig |
Hurtt
Amarr Digital Foundry
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Posted - 2007.02.02 02:41:00 -
[103]
I'll be damned if a dev-sponsored alliance conquers more of 0.0 and charges rent for access.
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Sightless Knight
Blind Mice
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Posted - 2007.02.02 03:59:00 -
[104]
Do you know what people generally call facial tissue? That's right Kleenex.
What do most players call underlings in EVE? Slaves or pets.
If you don't like being called a slave or a pet quit being an underling.
Eventually pets need to be put to sleep and slaves are sold off.
Such is life and such is EVE.
Sightless Knight CEO of Blind Mice [.RUN.]
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.02 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 30/01/2007 01:20:16
Originally by: Hatuk ok im not to much into alliances stuff so pls help me out here.
i read over and over again about BoB slave alliances or BoB pets alliances... can someone tell me which alliances are considered to be that today?
thx
"Slave" and "pet" are generally reserved for corps/alliances that are forced to pay for their space. RISE, I believe, may be moving into that kind of agreement with BoB if I am not mistaken. These terms are also used, by people who don't like an alliance, to describe any alliance that is allied with a stronger one. For example, Goonfleet are RA slaves/pets, IAC are AAA slaves/pets, FIX are BoB slaves/pets, IRON are D2 slaves/pets, BoB are CCP slaves/pets, etc.
Please refrain from comparing IRON/D2 with FIX/BoB, I find it offensive after visiting the south and seeing the state of things there and would prefer if you would avoid refering to IRON as pets/slaves of D2.
In my understanding we are allies of D2 as are many northern residents, we do not reside within there borders nor pay them for the pleasure of inhabiting our space.
Could D2 crush IRON? Probably, they are numberous and powerful, but until they decide to take over our stations and systems, and then make us pay to live in our own outposts, and then refuse to help us when war looms unless it directly threatens their sovereignty... then our situation and yours are very different and i dont think they can be compared directly. If you wish to discuss this or need directions out of Jita, feel free to contact me in game.
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Cassiuss
Minmatar STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.02.02 05:58:00 -
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Well its kinda like this. BoB must dearly hate the term as others who hear this connotation are probably leary about renting from them if they are known as slaves. BoB I am sure would love to spin this somehow less popular term to something less negative.
Personally, I am a slave freedom fighter. I pew BoB slaves as many do. If nothing else its where the rest of EvE can wreak havoc and have some fun.
So its simple, the rest of EvE reffers to BoB allies/friends/gfriends as slaves because...well...we can. Anyone who would protect BoB assets as thier own are SLAVES.
Cassiuss, STK-S Recruitment Officer
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Torshin
TARDZ Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2007.02.02 06:18:00 -
[107]
Cassiuss AZN-D2 any time you want to freedom fight. I believe you might remeber where that system is so it will be pretty easy for you to find.
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Everbane
Underworld Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.02 10:29:00 -
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"Pets" I believe is the universal term using BoBspeak
"DICE: ... Director - Aman Sul (Pet Management + MISC)..."
Well trained pets do as their master tells them. Just throw them a bone, tell them they're good boys and their happy pups wagging their little tails. Else just kick them around a bit.
Pets live in their master's house willfully, slaves do not. Slaves have a history of rebellion and a desire for freedom so would be undesirable to any overlord / dictator.
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Aira Phlux
Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.02 11:15:00 -
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What I really love about being a BoB pet is that many of those opposed to BoB come and attack us, instead of BoB. Its like person A being ****ed at person B but hitting person C - makes me chuckle because ultimately these agressors are just too scared to tackle their real problem head on. I'm sure eventually the penny will drop and they will realise that sending gank squads to Querious is not going to provoke BoB. But then again thinking about some of the smack I've seen ... maybe the penny won't ever drop.
Oh don't get me wrong though, I love having you guys round for pew pew and biscuits
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gofoi
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.02 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: MuthaTrucka
Originally by: James Britanicus Hey mutha, for a guy who was conspicously absent for 6 months and came back just in time to call everyone names and ***** about **** you certianly have a big sense of self worth. Undeserved but big.
Actually I was gone for 10 months as I was Deployed to Southwest Asia with the US Navy. Want to See my DD214?
Meh the US navy accept peoples with dresses?
no wonder why your country is in deep s**t
;)
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.02 12:46:00 -
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All this slave and pet business is quite funny really. The enemy will always try to find derogatory way's to insult the enemy, even if they qualify for that category themselve's. They will change the goalpost's so they don't quite fit there own definition. Stick's and stone's tbh
I will say one thing though, slave pet or otherwise, we don't need the entire map to help us do what we want to do. I admire being with my brother's in combat hell of a lot more than needing 2,3,4 etc etc alliances to blob and help. Could we get more help if we wanted. Absolutely.
( insert quote about falling with 10 lions than standing with 1000 sheep )
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Nai Ling
Diligent Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.02 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Aira Phlux What I really love about being a BoB pet is that many of those opposed to BoB come and attack us, instead of BoB. Its like person A being ****ed at person B but hitting person C - makes me chuckle because ultimately these agressors are just too scared to tackle their real problem head on.
Wait.. wait... this reminds me of someone. I can't put my finger on it. It's on the tip of my tongue...
Something about "we don't like logistics, just pew pew"... Man, I wish I could remember their name. Usually I remember the important people. _____________________________________________
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Cassiuss
Minmatar STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.02.02 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Torshin Cassiuss AZN-D2 any time you want to freedom fight. I believe you might remeber where that system is so it will be pretty easy for you to find.
Thanks for the invitation. Yes I know where you live the same place your lived 6 months ago.
You see you can put a dress on a pig and call it whatever you like. The fact is...its still a pig.
You lacked the integrity then as you do now. Carebear, mine your Bistot, mine your ark, I'll be around. Its my cookie dough.
Oh, If AAA wouldn't stop protecting BoB space I would be around more often. ROFL.
Cassiuss, STK-S Recruitment Officer
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Einheriar Ulrich
Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.02 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 02/02/2007 17:48:15 Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 02/02/2007 17:44:39 Anybody with the upperhand, and common EVE sense would do what BoB has done to administer their holdings(incluing me, if i where in that position)....Some are followers and some lead...its up to you what you do in EVE.
But anyway...i cant stop laughing about players....renting stations they build and paid for themselves...you are sheeeeeeeeeep
I once had a sig...it deleted
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Benny Hill
Caldari Deceased Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.02 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Vuudu
Post with your main - but I have a feeling you're referring to the deal MWA has with BoB.
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Once the outposts are completed, MWA will just be paying our standard rent - which our leadership decided was much better than what we had with our previous landlords. And if we're slaves, omg how did we even manage to leave our prior landlords without incident?
No - you are not slaves. Miners with Attitudes are pets. And you will only be stroked as long as your pay the 6bil - or until someone else out bids you. For instance, isk sellers do negotiate. There have been some interesting chat logs posted on the net regarding the use of 10/10 compleses in Bob areas.
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IRS Informant
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2007.02.02 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59 The enemy will always try to find derogatory way's to insult the enemy, even if they qualify for that category themselve's. They will change the goalpost's so they don't quite fit there own definition. Stick's and stone's tbh
Curiousity question.. How is this thread really any different from the BoB propaganda threads full of insults to their enemies?.. Just seems a bit hypocritical..
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.03 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: IRS Informant
Originally by: fire 59 The enemy will always try to find derogatory way's to insult the enemy, even if they qualify for that category themselve's. They will change the goalpost's so they don't quite fit there own definition. Stick's and stone's tbh
Curiousity question.. How is this thread really any different from the BoB propaganda threads full of insults to their enemies?.. Just seems a bit hypocritical..
Well the bob propoganda you speak of come's in the form of hard fact's. If anyone is hypocritical, it is our northern friend's who have slave's/pet's coming onto the forum's shouting that we have, um, slave/pet's. That sir, is hypocritical
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.04 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Aira Phlux What I really love about being a BoB pet is that many of those opposed to BoB come and attack us, instead of BoB. Its like person A being ****ed at person B but hitting person C - makes me chuckle because ultimately these agressors are just too scared to tackle their real problem head on. I'm sure eventually the penny will drop and they will realise that sending gank squads to Querious is not going to provoke BoB. But then again thinking about some of the smack I've seen ... maybe the penny won't ever drop.
Oh don't get me wrong though, I love having you guys round for pew pew and biscuits
You live in BoBs station systems, they used to be your stations but oh well, guess your masters were a little rough at the time... And sending gank sqauds to querious doesnt provoke bob unless you threaten their sov. They dont give a crap about FIX, i dont think anyone does...
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.04 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Aphotic Raven
Originally by: Aira Phlux What I really love about being a BoB pet is that many of those opposed to BoB come and attack us, instead of BoB. Its like person A being ****ed at person B but hitting person C - makes me chuckle because ultimately these agressors are just too scared to tackle their real problem head on. I'm sure eventually the penny will drop and they will realise that sending gank squads to Querious is not going to provoke BoB. But then again thinking about some of the smack I've seen ... maybe the penny won't ever drop.
Oh don't get me wrong though, I love having you guys round for pew pew and biscuits
You live in BoBs station systems, they used to be your stations but oh well, guess your masters were a little rough at the time... And sending gank sqauds to querious doesnt provoke bob unless you threaten their sov. They dont give a crap about FIX, i dont think anyone does...
For a corporation that has publically stated their pride in not smacking, you appear to not quite fit into the mold of what they had in mind.
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.04 01:01:00 -
[120]
You don't want to be calling Corporations and Alliances pets or, worse, slaves, trust me.
6 Months ago that would've gotten you a forum ban.
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