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Alea
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
164
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Posted - 2016.01.26 03:18:35 -
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Yaasmine wrote:Filip Ernaga wrote:As a new player I'll just state that I like this idea, and it will keep me in game.
This is because it will help me with all the skills I just HAVE to train, which have no impact on game itself. Things like cpu/pg 5, wu 5, awu3-4 and such do not enable me to get any different weapons/mods and really just sink time while I stagnate with same ship/fit for a few months already.
So yeah, either remove that stuff just like you removed learning skills (I would suppose people were whining about how necessary those are back then. just like they whine how sp trading will kill the game today) or let me invest my hard earned isk in SP ... thank you :)
This is not about dumbing the game down, it opens a LOT more options to players who came in only recently and would actually be in position where they can make a difference. both of us are examples of new players =) +1
What neither one of you rocket scientists realize is that we all started off as new players some time in the past, I stuck with the game since 2003 with no purchased skills so it can be done.
Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
727
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Posted - 2016.01.26 03:19:52 -
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Zappity wrote:Tiddle Jr wrote:Zappity wrote:New players can sell plex and purchase. Or rat/trade/steal and purchase. What's the problem? Exactly, no any problem here, clear p2w. No more so than the character bazaar. Given the presence of the character bazaar this is a great addition to the game. I am glad it has come through the process relatively unscathed (apart from making it more accessible to mid-SP characters which is great).
SP would be sold in limited form like 0.5m SP vs. already trained character where you have to deal with 'good" & "bad" skills, so buying pure SP's you have much more advantages vs. looking and searching for properly trained toon. |
Zappity
Black Aces I N F A M O U S
2627
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Posted - 2016.01.26 03:24:57 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Zappity wrote:Tiddle Jr wrote:Zappity wrote:New players can sell plex and purchase. Or rat/trade/steal and purchase. What's the problem? Exactly, no any problem here, clear p2w. No more so than the character bazaar. Given the presence of the character bazaar this is a great addition to the game. I am glad it has come through the process relatively unscathed (apart from making it more accessible to mid-SP characters which is great). 0.5m of SP cost much less than well trained character. so buying pure SP's you have much more advantages vs. looking and searching for properly trained toon. So what? It depends on the price of extractors. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see CCP price them ridiculously high.
Poorly trained characters might be stripped and discarded depending on price. But it will make good quality, high SP characters more valuable. This is good.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Alea
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
165
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Posted - 2016.01.26 03:35:33 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:https://twitter.com/JadekMenaheim/status/689402088711847937
CCPlease do.
I very much like that idea.!
Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
728
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Posted - 2016.01.26 03:51:27 -
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Zappity wrote: So what? It depends on the price of extractors. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see CCP price them ridiculously high.
this is the question, making this feature ridiculously high right from the start, the feature that most of responders considered as newbie friendly won't make it much attractive. e.g. basic Orca pilot is about 3.0m SP and with price tag about 2.5-3.0b. How much should 3.0M of SP cost to make them more attractive than ready to go pilot, especially for newcomers. |
Josef Djugashvilis
3201
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Posted - 2016.01.26 04:03:37 -
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Here's a radical suggestion for CCP if they need more money.
Instead of cash for skills, they could try to attract new players and keep the ones they already have by fixing the bugs and improving the game with new content etc
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Zappity
Black Aces I N F A M O U S
2627
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Posted - 2016.01.26 04:12:04 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Here's a radical suggestion for CCP if they need more money.
Instead of cash for skills, they could try to attract new players and keep the ones they already have by fixing the bugs and improving the game with new content etc They have done nothing but fix bugs since Incarna. Only recently have they started introducing new content again. Seriously, review the patch notes for the last few years and count how many times you read the word 'fixed'.
It is time for new things.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
382
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Posted - 2016.01.26 04:24:58 -
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Aerious wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Tristan Agion wrote:VR is unlikely to be anything but a brief bubble on the market, for all the reasons Extra Credit (YouTube video) mentions. CCP would be really foolish to bet their company on that.And Paradox is the software company I've spent most of my gaming hours on... I'm really looking forward to their SF offering Stellaris. Well, the fact is that CCP has got 30 million $ of investor money to develop VR games. Also VR is something very close to Hilmar's heart. Like Tristan Agion i also believe VR will be a flop. World of Darkness= Fail (Say no more) EvE Online= Success (so far) EvE is unique, it has outlasted nearly all MMO's that were available in 2003 and some of the most popular since. New eden could last another 12 years, but i doubt it very much with upcoming patch. Sry for the dribble, i just love this ******* game
It's understandable that you're trying to be optimistic because you really enjoy Eve. But fact is the only time major MMO game companies resort to pay2win is when they believe their MMO game to be reaching the end of it's life cycle. And with this upcoming patch, the hourglass of Eve will officially began to fall.
Within the next 12 to 18 months, Eve would be no more. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
382
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Posted - 2016.01.26 04:27:33 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Here's a radical suggestion for CCP if they need more money.
Instead of cash for skills, they could try to attract new players and keep the ones they already have by fixing the bugs and improving the game with new content etc Doesn't appear they no longer have the confidence to do that anymore so they're opting for the easy way out.
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Jeven HouseBenyo
Baron and Serpent Productions
266
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Posted - 2016.01.26 04:32:35 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Here's a radical suggestion for CCP if they need more money.
Instead of cash for skills, they could try to attract new players and keep the ones they already have by fixing the bugs and improving the game with new content etc
But that would mean admitting they've been blowing off Bug Reports, Customer Feedback, trashing their growing promised then neglected list, and doing something with the NPE other than having most turn off the annoyance of Opportunity options. Now it could happen. And I could win a billion in a PowerBall drawing buying 1 ticket. What are the odds at either of these possibilities?
It is, in the end, CCP's company flagship game (and the only one turning any decent profit!) here in New Eden. They can do whatever they want with it. And I can choose to vote on this Patented Bad Idea by not throwing my RL cash or ingame ISK at anything dealing with SPs for purchase. I will pay for subscriptions as I can afford them, to play. I will NOT pay to win. Then it's a rather cheap version of 'winning' to me. Ethics and sensibilities of mine kick in as I'd rather earn something in a game than outright buying it.
Guess that's the flavor of new player they are catering to. The Instant Gratification Flight Klub. Go for it CCP, after all everyone knows how long that type of game player has staying power when they don't get what they want NAOW. When will you start handing out Capitals as party favors to keep their 140 characters attention span?
>Jeven
Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.
'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.
Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.
Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P
No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1875
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Posted - 2016.01.26 04:32:44 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Here's a radical suggestion for CCP if they need more money.
Instead of cash for skills, they could try to attract new players and keep the ones they already have by fixing the bugs and improving the game with new content etc Doesn't appear they no longer have the confidence to do that anymore so they're opting for the easy way out. Major changes to SOV Rework of cap ships Various new ships including an expansion on MJD mechanics Incoming new type of structure significantly different than current player deployables Various seasonal events Project discovery Visual improvements More fixes than I'm willing to put forth the effort to count
...Nope, CCP is apparently showing no confidence at all.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
382
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Posted - 2016.01.26 04:55:24 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Here's a radical suggestion for CCP if they need more money.
Instead of cash for skills, they could try to attract new players and keep the ones they already have by fixing the bugs and improving the game with new content etc Doesn't appear they no longer have the confidence to do that anymore so they're opting for the easy way out. Major changes to SOV Incoming rework of cap ships Various new ships including an expansion on MJD mechanics Incoming new type of structure significantly different than current player deployables Various seasonal events Project discovery Visual improvements More fixes than I'm willing to put forth the effort to count ...Nope, CCP is apparently showing no confidence at all. Admittingly with the Large Grid changes along with some of the mentions above, I too thought that CCP still had some creative juices left in their tanks to continue empowering Eve into the future. And then they take a HUGE step backwards by adding this cheap money grab scheme to the game that was well on it's way for a breakthrough..........sigh......
It's like seeing a fabulous castle getting built and when it was nearing it's completion the builders decided to replace some of the expensive materials with cheap materials thinking no one is gonna be able to tell the difference anyways. But the one thing the builders failed to realize is that the cheap materials have a weak foundation that will cause the entire castle to collapse within 18 months compared to lasting another 10-20 years if they continued using the finer materials. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1875
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Posted - 2016.01.26 05:03:07 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Admittingly with the Large Grid changes along with some of the mentions above, I too thought that CCP still had some creative juices left in their tanks to continue empowering Eve into the future. And then they take a HUGE step backwards by adding this cheap money grab scheme to the game that was well on it's way for a breakthrough..........sigh......
It's like seeing a fabulous castle getting built and when it was nearing it's completion the builders decided to replace some of the expensive materials with cheap materials thinking no one is gonna be able to tell the difference anyways. But the one thing the builders failed to realize is that the cheap materials have a weak foundation that will cause the entire castle to collapse within 18 months compared to lasting another 10-20 years if they continued using the finer materials. Or perhaps their view of this feature is simply entirely opposed to yours. Who knows.
If I had to take bets on predictions though, I'd take the guesses of those with known game design experience, specifically on eve, and no apparent desire to design themselves out of a job over, well, someone I know nothing about save their eagerness to ascribe this to incompetence while yelling about how the end is near.
Add to that the issue that earlier you stated the game was going to ultimately fail due to your personal opinion of accomplishment and well... |
Zee Zaugg
Quantum Star Conglomerate Syrup Fiends Republic
48
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Posted - 2016.01.26 05:22:26 -
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beakerax wrote:CCP Rise wrote:We werenGÇÖt sure exactly what to expect but it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players or give you more freedom with your own characters. After going through a lot of feedback while refining the design, we would like to be add Skill Trading to New Eden and it is currently scheduled for our February release. Rise you can do this thing if you want all I ask in return is that you tone down the blatant insincerity
Ya I read quite a few different blogs, sites, and reddits after this was first announced. I dont know what the hell you were reading CCP but thats not the impression I got at all. Unless you just have a terrible case of selective hearing |
Zee Zaugg
Quantum Star Conglomerate Syrup Fiends Republic
48
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Posted - 2016.01.26 05:40:08 -
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This thread has become stupid. Theres like 5 pro injector people having constant repetitive arguments with 5 anti injector people, while everyone else realized that CCP doesnt give a **** and went home. CCP doesnt care about feedback anymore, they stopped caring about feedback when they ignored all the negative feedback the first time around, and just left this forum up for everyone to vent. Even discussing what the price will be is stupid, because CCP set the price they want it at a month ago and its not going to change based on any suggestions in this forum they arent reading.
I dont think this will kill the game, eve will be around in 18 months. People will use this new travesty of an idea, even people that argued it, and CCP knows this, so they dont care. Short of another Jita riot no players are going to impact any form of development here at all. Which is sad, because this is a game prided for individuality and listening to feedback. If ccp chooses to ignore that, then it wont break the game, I wont quit, Eve wont die, but it will make it significantly less special, which is already being done by altering the unique Skill system.
Really im just disappointed. In the players too blind, impatient or greedy to see why this is bad. But mostly disappointed with CCP, who are not only introducing a terrible change, which is bad but excusable, but also breaking promises, ignoring feedback, and not even bothering to put the majority of naysayers minds at ease, or even respond to the supporters really. The lack of communication during this whole ordeal tells me that CCP knows they shouldnt be doing this, but are going forward with it anyways. |
Zombeilord Zantra
Iron Corsairs
0
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Posted - 2016.01.26 05:43:12 -
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Zee Zaugg wrote:This thread has become stupid. Theres like 5 pro injector people having constant repetitive arguments with 5 anti injector people, while everyone else realized that CCP doesnt give a **** and went home. CCP doesnt care about feedback anymore, they stopped caring about feedback when they ignored all the negative feedback the first time around, and just left this forum up for everyone to vent. Even discussing what the price will be is stupid, because CCP set the price they want it at a month ago and its not going to change based on any suggestions in this forum they arent reading.
I dont think this will kill the game, eve will be around in 18 months. People will use this new travesty of an idea, even people that argued it, and CCP knows this, so they dont care. Short of another Jita riot no players are going to impact any form of development here at all. Which is sad, because this is a game prided for individuality and listening to feedback. If ccp chooses to ignore that, then it wont break the game, I wont quit, Eve wont die, but it will make it significantly less special, which is already being done by altering the unique Skill system.
Really im just disappointed. In the players too blind, impatient or greedy to see why this is bad. But mostly disappointed with CCP, who are not only introducing a terrible change, which is bad but excusable, but also breaking promises, ignoring feedback, and not even bothering to put the majority of naysayers minds at ease, or even respond to the supporters really. The lack of communication during this whole ordeal tells me that CCP knows they shouldnt be doing this, but are going forward with it anyways.
Whats the price? |
Jeven HouseBenyo
Baron and Serpent Productions
266
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Posted - 2016.01.26 06:04:58 -
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Here's an idea for CCP. Open a CC line with loan shark compounding monthly interest rates, but give a 5% discount to subscription payments, Plex purchases, and Aurum packages! Yeah, that'll spur a giant spike in new players to Eve! Might as well put in a command for the local chat window, slash/pizza, to get a % on delivery sales ordered thru the Official CCCP Pizza App.
Official CCCP CC, what's in your wallet
Might as well get silly, it's not like they're actually paying any attention to this thread. Or any thread that's not blinged out in support of whichever idea they're floating at their customers. Their interaction with their paying customers comes to a screeching halt of echoing silence in forum threads as soon as the praise for the newest Shiny isn't what they get. I know my view is they hit the ignore/all on this and other feedback threads somewhere around page 2 of any sign of criticisms, constructive or other.
It is their toy to play with, to bend, fold, mangle, burn, and milk for every red cent they can get out of it. They are a business and profits are the language they speak. From a game company with a reputation of treating it's customers better than the last year has shown..... How a reputation can be cheerfully tossed boggles my mind, but to each their own.
Short term gains minus long term viability.
Mebbe someone with a business degree can 'splain how that makes financial sense, 'cuz I guess I'm just not smrt enuf to get it.
>Jeven
Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.
'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.
Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.
Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P
No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
382
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Posted - 2016.01.26 07:07:18 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:Admittingly with the Large Grid changes along with some of the mentions above, I too thought that CCP still had some creative juices left in their tanks to continue empowering Eve into the future. And then they take a HUGE step backwards by adding this cheap money grab scheme to the game that was well on it's way for a breakthrough..........sigh......
It's like seeing a fabulous castle getting built and when it was nearing it's completion the builders decided to replace some of the expensive materials with cheap materials thinking no one is gonna be able to tell the difference anyways. But the one thing the builders failed to realize is that the cheap materials have a weak foundation that will cause the entire castle to collapse within 18 months compared to lasting another 10-20 years if they continued using the finer materials. Or perhaps their view of this feature is simply entirely opposed to yours. Who knows. If I had to take bets on predictions though, I'd take the guesses of those with known game design experience, specifically on eve, and no apparent desire to design themselves out of a job over, well, someone I know nothing about save their eagerness to ascribe this to incompetence while yelling about how the end is near. Add to that the issue that earlier you stated the game was going to ultimately fail due to your personal opinion of accomplishment and well... I get it that you're in favor with the rest of the scrubs who fancy the idea of pay2win coming to Eve and want to stay behind your masters at CCP regardless of whether or not of what they're doing to Eve is good for the game or not, but whatever. Going down with a sinking ship is all scrubs are good for so CCP should be happy that players like you are still in the game. |
Josef Djugashvilis
3205
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Posted - 2016.01.26 07:28:55 -
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Zappity wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Here's a radical suggestion for CCP if they need more money.
Instead of cash for skills, they could try to attract new players and keep the ones they already have by fixing the bugs and improving the game with new content etc They have done nothing but fix bugs since Incarna. Only recently have they started introducing new content again. Seriously, review the patch notes for the last few years and count how many times you read the word 'fixed'. It is time for new things.
Yeah, and cash for skills should not be one of them,
This is not a signature.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
383
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Posted - 2016.01.26 07:29:34 -
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Zee Zaugg wrote:This thread has become stupid. Theres like 5 pro injector people having constant repetitive arguments with 5 anti injector people, while everyone else realized that CCP doesnt give a **** and went home. CCP doesnt care about feedback anymore, they stopped caring about feedback when they ignored all the negative feedback the first time around, and just left this forum up for everyone to vent. Even discussing what the price will be is stupid, because CCP set the price they want it at a month ago and its not going to change based on any suggestions in this forum they arent reading.
I dont think this will kill the game, eve will be around in 18 months. People will use this new travesty of an idea, even people that argued it, and CCP knows this, so they dont care. Short of another Jita riot no players are going to impact any form of development here at all. Which is sad, because this is a game prided for individuality and listening to feedback. If ccp chooses to ignore that, then it wont break the game, I wont quit, Eve wont die, but it will make it significantly less special, which is already being done by altering the unique Skill system.
Really im just disappointed. In the players too blind, impatient or greedy to see why this is bad. But mostly disappointed with CCP, who are not only introducing a terrible change, which is bad but excusable, but also breaking promises, ignoring feedback, and not even bothering to put the majority of naysayers minds at ease, or even respond to the supporters really. The lack of communication during this whole ordeal tells me that CCP knows they shouldnt be doing this, but are going forward with it anyways.
Exactly. If CCP came straight out and told the truth saying:
"Eve is in trouble financially and needs extra cash influx to stay alive so we apologize for breaking a golden rule we prided ourselves in upholding till now, but we're in financial trouble and have no other choice but to add a feature we never intended on implementing". (or something along those lines)
Then I would've began suggesting ideas to help them achieve those goals without damaging the game's core. But instead they ignore player feedback like we're mindless supporters and will eventually conform to the master's wishes because we have no other choice but to follow the masters (CCP) ways. It's a flatout display of lack of respect for the loyal customer base to do something like disregarding all player feedback. I'm still waiting for more details on how this feature is unfolding, but not a word from CCP. Lack of communication is what's causing my anger and distrust from all this silence. |
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1875
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Posted - 2016.01.26 08:06:37 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:I get it that you're in favor with the rest of the scrubs who fancy the idea of pay2win coming to Eve and want to stay behind your masters at CCP regardless of whether or not of what they're doing to Eve is good for the game or not, but whatever. Going down with a sinking ship is all scrubs are good for so CCP should be happy that players like you are still in the game. Except this does have the potential to be good, but it's clear you're determined to not see that.
Not sure if those words are intended to sting, but from someone who's demonstrated selective memory about having "courage" to change the game and a complete failure to actually explain how this will cause anything to fail save inserting your sense of accomplishment over putting skills in a queue I'm still making the judgement call that you're a less than sound source of reasonable opinions. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1875
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Posted - 2016.01.26 08:09:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Zappity wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Here's a radical suggestion for CCP if they need more money.
Instead of cash for skills, they could try to attract new players and keep the ones they already have by fixing the bugs and improving the game with new content etc They have done nothing but fix bugs since Incarna. Only recently have they started introducing new content again. Seriously, review the patch notes for the last few years and count how many times you read the word 'fixed'. It is time for new things. Yeah, and cash for skills should not be one of them, This isn't cash for skills. We already have that in the form of a sub. It's isk for someone else' skills. Not this proposals fault no one decided to question the wisdom of cash for isk all those years ago while claiming to bemoan P2W in any form.
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
728
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Posted - 2016.01.26 08:15:06 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:
Exactly. If CCP came straight out and told the truth saying:
"Eve is in trouble financially and needs extra cash influx to stay alive so we apologize for breaking a golden rule we prided ourselves in upholding till now, but we're in financial trouble and have no other choice but to add a feature we never intended on implementing". (or something along those lines)
Then I would've began suggesting ideas to help them achieve those goals without damaging the game's core. But instead they ignore player feedback like we're mindless supporters and will eventually conform to the master's wishes because we have no other choice but to follow the masters (CCP) ways. It's a flatout display of lack of respect for the loyal customer base to do something like disregarding all player feedback. I'm still waiting for more details on how this feature is unfolding, but not a word from CCP. Lack of communication is what's causing my anger and distrust from all this silence.
Should we start Kickstarter thread to give a hand to CCP and support their annual budgeting? Or we could donate them PLEXs like PLEX for Good programm? |
Zappity
Black Aces I N F A M O U S
2631
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Posted - 2016.01.26 08:24:34 -
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Why do all these negative posters think that CCP is in financial trouble? They have just spent a considerable sum fully upgrading their servers. It speaks to confidence in the future.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
383
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Posted - 2016.01.26 08:46:50 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:I get it that you're in favor with the rest of the scrubs who fancy the idea of pay2win coming to Eve and want to stay behind your masters at CCP regardless of whether or not of what they're doing to Eve is good for the game or not, but whatever. Going down with a sinking ship is all scrubs are good for so CCP should be happy that players like you are still in the game. Except this does have the potential to be good, but it's clear you're determined to not see that. Not sure if those words are intended to sting, but from someone who's demonstrated selective memory about having "courage" to change the game and a complete failure to actually explain how this will cause anything to fail save inserting your sense of accomplishment over putting skills in a queue I'm still making the judgement call that you're a less than sound source of reasonable opinions. I have my doubts that this is a a good idea for several reasons: 1) CCP is not being honest with the players about their true agenda 2) CCP is betraying the trust of loyal players who spent years refining their characters by implementing a feature they said they would never do that completely devalues our time of dedication to this game. 3) CCP is not communicating with the community and is ignoring player feedback 4) CCP should be gathering data and taking their time getting the details right with this delicate feature that has been the heart & soul of Eve for over 10 years (if they really need the cash influx) intead of rushing it into the game to suck the cash out of the willing scrubbies pockets ASAP.
If you cannot comprehend why this is a major cause of many concerns it is because: 1)You never went through char develop yourself and bought all if not most of your chars from Eve Bazaar (Eve scrub extraordinaire). 2) You specialize in Char Trades from Eve Bazaar and have stockpiles of chars and see the potential value of SP skyrocketing (personal interest). 3) All you care about is PVP and see the opportunity for hunting clueless fresh meat noobies in T2 ships in abundance (personal interest again).
These are just some I can think up atm, but I'm sure there are tons more. The bottom line is this feature only benefits CCP wallets and players (who're in agreement) personal interest. Aside from personal greed and agendas, the community is still waiting to see how this feature will actually help the game.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1875
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Posted - 2016.01.26 09:19:40 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:I have my doubts that this is a a good idea for several reasons: 1) CCP is not being honest with the players about their true agenda 2) CCP is betraying the trust of loyal players who spent years refining their characters by implementing a feature they said they would never do that completely devalues our time of dedication to this game. 3) CCP is not communicating with the community and is ignoring player feedback 4) CCP should be gathering data and taking their time getting the details right with this delicate feature that has been the heart & soul of Eve for over 10 years (if they really need the cash influx) intead of rushing it into the game to suck the cash out of the willing scrubbies pockets ASAP.
If you cannot comprehend why this is a major cause of many concerns it is because: 1)You never went through char develop yourself and bought all if not most of your chars from Eve Bazaar (Eve scrub extraordinaire). 2) You specialize in Char Trades from Eve Bazaar and have stockpiles of chars and see the potential value of SP skyrocketing (personal interest). 3) All you care about is PVP and see the opportunity for hunting clueless fresh meat noobies in T2 ships in abundance (personal interest again).
These are just some I can think up atm, but I'm sure there are tons more. The bottom line is this feature only benefits CCP wallets and players (who're in agreement) personal interest. Aside from personal greed and agendas, the community is still waiting to see how this feature will actually help the game. 1) CCP puts their spin on an idea they had, news at 11. No really, this is very much the same pace as any unpopular decision. Some good in the end, many made good after tweaking, others... eh. Welcome to Eve, where we're used to this ride. 2) See, I seriously don't get this. CCP never said SP would never be tradable to my knowledge. If they did please point me to it. The possibilities from combining PLEX and skill injectors are real, but it's a convenient argument to state one of the most prevalent forms of consequence, the need to replace lost assets, can be trivialized while at the same time claiming CCP hasn't "betrayed" this concept prior to now (Think for a moment about the importance of isk for Eve's function and how PLEX already affects it. For the promise to exclude SP while including isk it means the entire in game market and economy, as well as every item in it, was somehow less of a game play factor than SP). 3) The are communicating, just not the communications you want, which is limited to a retraction of the proposal. There isn't really anything productive to say to accusations of malice and incompetence or general insults. 4) As someone who doesn't have the details they have regarding what's going on in the game, how do you know they're not? You don't, you make the assumption from I'm not sure what anymore. It ranges from CCP being poor to CCP not knowing what their doing to CCP maliciously breaking promises they never really made
As stated before, it's not a lack of comprehension, it's pointing out reasoning based on conveniently forgetting or downplaying Eve's P2skip elements when convenient. And further telling players who have trained since before your character existed that they should be clutching their SP as if it were the sum of their game experience when it's not.
I'm not in any of the situations you mention, I don't need to be because I can think past my own benefit, and further see this doesn't act against anyone save those who only see value in their characters when other have to do the same thing they did. My characters do have value in what they have trained, but that isn't changing. What they don't have value in is how others chose to train of the option is presented.
But if we're making suggestions of self interest, what is it that you're doing in game that you need to keep potential competition out of? What capacity is it that you "earned" that feels so threatened by "week old players in marauders" I think you stated? Why do you need them to not have access to that or any other toolset?
This doesn't benefit me at all, but you're methods of protest make you seem rather invested somehow. Do share. |
Tiddle Jr
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Zappity wrote:Why do all these negative posters think that CCP is in financial trouble? They have just spent a considerable sum fully upgrading their servers. It speaks to confidence in the future. Sure, but but i thought we are not going to interface thos TiDi cool down... Sigh... |
beakerax
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Posted - 2016.01.26 09:34:21 -
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Since this is going through, might as well look on the positive side: tradable SP creates a wonderful opportunity for CCP to nerf link alts into the ground.
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Zappity
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I'm not at all invested. Yet. But I will be. I'll make a killing as usual. Looking forward to it!
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Zappity
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Posted - 2016.01.26 09:39:33 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Zappity wrote:Why do all these negative posters think that CCP is in financial trouble? They have just spent a considerable sum fully upgrading their servers. It speaks to confidence in the future. Sure, but but i thought we are not going to interface thos TiDi cool down... Sigh... Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying. I am disadvantaged by having English as my first language.
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