Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 8 post(s) |
Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
|
Posted - 2007.01.22 22:58:00 -
[1]
Is there a CCP employee that would be willing to give a hypothetical tactic that would allow one to blow up a titan? One that doesn't involve its owner logging out with an aggro timer and going afk?
Shamis
|
Ice Conch
|
Posted - 2007.01.22 23:02:00 -
[2]
dictor bubbles or nanonaughts?
Originally by: Fogy
Originally by: James 315 Why do people say hi to Aneu?
Its like the "Where's Waldo" book.. but "waldo" got his forum access removed.. now he keeps changing costumes
|
|
BH Runner
ISD BH Interstellar Services Department
|
Posted - 2007.01.22 23:05:00 -
[3]
How's the titan fitted ;) Then a plan can be formulated to take it down.
[Bug Report Here] - [Contact Us] |
|
Mr Hawk
|
Posted - 2007.01.22 23:19:00 -
[4]
mass nanoBS fleet or a huge 'ceptor swarm ?
|
James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
|
Posted - 2007.01.22 23:34:00 -
[5]
Originally by: Mr Hawk mass nanoBS fleet or a huge 'ceptor swarm ?
Ceptors will be in trouble from the officer smartie with its huge range.
Although I guess losing a ceptor or ten doesn't really matter when you''ve got the prospect of killing a titan...
Anyways, I think the only feasible way to do it is to get a lot of battleships, including several neut/nos boats and as many nanobumpers as you can. You'll need to get its cap down quickly to below 95% so it can't jump out to a cyno, then essentially keep those nossies and neuts going to drain its cap while keeping it constantly bumped in a weird direction so it can't warp off. Then it's just a matter of dealing enough damage that it dies. If it's turning into a protracted fight, putting up a large bubble at a safe distance would be handy to keep the thing safely in place.
If the titan fires the superweapon, the NanoBSs will die. So those pilots need to have a backup nanoBS ready close by for when that happens. If the titan warps off after using its DD, just probe it down (it can't jump out because of aggro timer) and start anew. If you don't have backup nanoBSs, keeping half of them in reserve might be a good idea to prepare for this scenario.
Of course, the above scenario doesn't include a support fleet for the titan. You'd probably have to get rid of that before doing anything with the ship itself -----
|
Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 08:47:00 -
[6]
Originally by: BH Runner How's the titan fitted ;) Then a plan can be formulated to take it down.
I don't see how you can take it down even if it had no fitting.
|
Betonela
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 08:57:00 -
[7]
just look on the EVE pvp tournement video after CoW VS sany (dunno if is well typed)
anyway the plan is drop dictor burble and put alot of NOS to get cap down
--------- join on New Movement of Market Traders |
maarud
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 08:57:00 -
[8]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: BH Runner How's the titan fitted ;) Then a plan can be formulated to take it down.
I don't see how you can take it down even if it had no fitting.
A) It needs cap to jump B) Bubbles effect it, so if you can tie down long enough to drop a large bubble near it, you just have to keep it webbed from then onwards. C) Get a couple nano domis/phoons to bump it so that it can't warp, if you can't get bubbles.
2x Interdictors 2x Huggin 4x Nano BS 4x NOS/NEUT Geddons 3x Damping Arazu's
Lots of carriers and dreads for dmg. Maarud.
Proudly a Ex-BYDI member |
Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 09:02:00 -
[9]
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 23/01/2007 09:02:07 The main issue is holding it down, for which you first need to have it soemwhere you can get to it
Apart from subterfuge, no titan pilot that does not choose to can ever really be placed in a situation where all these ship even can approach him and lock him.
So first of all, CCP needs to remove the ability to use the doomsday device remotely. At least that will allow people to at least try and kill one.
webbing, dampening, whatever, none of it works on titans.
Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
|
Wild Rho
Amarr Imperial Shipment
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 09:13:00 -
[10]
Nearly all the other tactics posted here can be easily countered by having it smartbomb/superweapon then warp to an SS and cloak until it has the cap to jump.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
|
|
MrTriggerHappy
Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 09:26:00 -
[11]
You have to sneak up on it when it's at the watering hole!!!
Like many other 'large beasts' it finds safety in numbers, which however is somewhat dismaying if your pack is out numbered. However on the rare occassion you may find the beast alone when its at the watering hole to which you have to be very careful and make sure you sneak up on it before it see's you, or it will run away.
However like other large animals you may find it will stand up and attack you with its deadly weaponry to which caution is advised, as it will pretty much kill you in one go!
So I advise a disguise!!
My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance |
Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 10:01:00 -
[12]
To be honest, the immunity to scrambling and webbing is a design flaw IMO. Give a titan 20 inherent warp core stab strength for all I care and say 10 for a MS, but immunity is stupid.
|
Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 10:07:00 -
[13]
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 23/01/2007 10:04:19
Put two dictors on an offgrid safe aligned towards the titan. When the titan DD's your current dictors and bubble bump him with tanked battleships to prevent alignment/warp while new dictors warp in. Deploy several large bubbles. Pwn him. Done. -----
[Coreli Corporation Mainframe] |
mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 10:09:00 -
[14]
Edited by: mazzilliu on 23/01/2007 10:06:15
Originally by: BH Runner How's the titan fitted ;) Then a plan can be formulated to take it down.
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/6082/avatarsetup0qq.jpg
i only got 1 scan on chowdown's titan though so its obv. incomplete
i dont see how fittings make the difference though. the main issue is the ability to jump out of bubbles and the relatively low cap need to the superweapon.
GIVE ME BACK MY EXCLAMATION MARK PORTRAIT :( :( :( :( :( :( |
ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 11:11:00 -
[15]
Huggins? Dampening arazus? What an uninformed suggestion.
I would guess Shamis'es problem is that the only way to stop the titan as intended(i.e. using dictor or normal bubble) isn't working because he can cyno out of it.
As far as I know, there has been at least one capital ship reimbursement that the kill wouldn't have been made if the ship wasn't bumped, so bumping does indeed work, but is in no way intended.
|
Drachma Golea
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 11:21:00 -
[16]
Try this link:
Do we need titans?
Exactly the same
|
Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 11:43:00 -
[17]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 23/01/2007 11:44:41 Would also say one bumper gang, another one waiting aligned on safe to warp-in and take over, in case the doomsday device fires and then some dreads for the damage. But the titan pilot will probably run as soon as he notices, what's going on. Well without bumping and if bubbles work, then some dictor pilots and also a second dictor gang on safe waiting to take over. edit: But the doomsday probably also kills the dictor bubble, so if the Titan is fullspeed aligned, it will warp out immediately. Don't know how you can kill it without bumping then. ______________ *need new sig* |
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 11:47:00 -
[18]
I guess you can call this 'LeMonde's how to kill a titan with 20 people"
This is a hypothetical situation for what I personally believe would be the best way to destroy a titan while minimizing the risk of escape. This situation takes into account that the titan has no back-up ships and is taken by surprise. The target is an Avatar.
An Avatar has a total of 140.625 cap, after skills. To jump away, it needs 71,25% or 100.195 cap.
With recharge, you can estimate having to kill somewhere between 60k and 70k cap in the space of a minute, you don't want to give it any time to jump out.
The best way of doing this is by using energy neutralizers.
I would begin by selecting ten carriers, Thanatos or Archon preferably. Each one fitted with five heavy energy neutralizers, a full bay of heavy energy neutralizer drones and fighter drones. The carriers would use their med slots for cap rechargers and lows for a duel rep armor tank. The carriers should have no problems nuking the targets cap in roughly one minute. Heavy drones for backup if the titan decides to blow its superweapon potentially killing fighters.
My next ships are aimed to deal damage. 5 Naglfars would provide enough firepower to take down the titan fairly quickly once it's out of cap. Siege/damage mods, the whole package.
Two more Naglfars fitted with MWD's, snake sets and nano/inertia stabs will make sure the titan doesn't go anywhere by bumping it out of alignment. These will also deal damage but be fairly weak if the titan has any sort of tackling setup fitted.
Two cloak/cyno ships to get your fleet in there.
One command ship which would be tanked enough toward the titans superweapon to survive it, and give gang bonuses to the rest of the gang. Claymore would be good here.
The same thing goes for motherships as well. The only thing you have to do is nuke their cap, and they become harmless puppies. (motherships can be slightly more dangerous than titans, even when out of cap). No cap, no tank, no escape.
|
|
FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 11:51:00 -
[19]
To summarise:
Nos the **** out of it.
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |
ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 11:52:00 -
[20]
So you're confirming that it's intended to be able to jump out of a dictor or mobile bubble and that bumping ships to score an otherwise impossible kill is allowed?
Tbh that's the only problem here... any decent group of players can get enough firepower to kill a lone titan. Assuming it doesn't jump out for some reason, I don't want it to be reimbursed because bumping it with a frig or something wasn't allowed
|
|
Xelios
Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 11:54:00 -
[21]
NanoNaglfars? Oh lord... LeMonde you just opened pandoras box
|
Aphotic Raven
Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 12:01:00 -
[22]
And people want a nos nerf.... pfff simpletons
|
Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 12:05:00 -
[23]
Edited by: Shadowsword on 23/01/2007 12:03:06
Originally by: ElCoCo So you're confirming that it's intended to be able to jump out of a dictor or mobile bubble and that bumping ships to score an otherwise impossible kill is allowed?
Very important question indeed...
And I think Titan shouldn't be able to use their doomdays remotely, and carrier shouldn't be able to assign their fighters to a frig while they sit safely inside a POS. One of Tuxford's goals is to bring capital ships in the front line, right? ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types. |
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 12:09:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Shadowsword Edited by: Shadowsword on 23/01/2007 12:03:06
Originally by: ElCoCo So you're confirming that it's intended to be able to jump out of a dictor or mobile bubble and that bumping ships to score an otherwise impossible kill is allowed?
Very important question indeed...
And I think Titan shouldn't be able to use their doomdays remotely, and carrier shouldn't be able to assign their fighters to a frig while they sit safely inside a POS. One of Tuxford's goals is to bring capital ships in the front line, right?
These questions are ones you're going to have to ask Tuxford. I was just responding to the OP
|
|
Cmdr Sy
Repo Industries
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 12:11:00 -
[25]
Originally by: LeMonde Two more Naglfars fitted with MWD's, snake sets and nano/inertia stabs will make sure the titan doesn't go anywhere by bumping it out of alignment.
Nice to have that confirmed.
Logoffs on Fraps
|
Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 12:24:00 -
[26]
Now what if the titan/mothership happens to be in lowsec?
No bubbles and while it might be possible to bump it forever in theory it does not work in practice. Sooner or later you will bump him towards some warpable object and away he goes. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Guff O'Houlligan
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 12:28:00 -
[27]
Originally by: LeMonde I guess you can call this 'LeMonde's how to kill a titan with 20 people"
This is a hypothetical situation for what I personally believe would be the best way to destroy a titan while minimizing the risk of escape. This situation takes into account that the titan has no back-up ships and is taken by surprise. The target is an Avatar.
An Avatar has a total of 140.625 cap, after skills. To jump away, it needs 71,25% or 100.195 cap.
With recharge, you can estimate having to kill somewhere between 60k and 70k cap in the space of a minute, you don't want to give it any time to jump out.
The best way of doing this is by using energy neutralizers.
I would begin by selecting ten carriers, Thanatos or Archon preferably. Each one fitted with five heavy energy neutralizers, a full bay of heavy energy neutralizer drones and fighter drones. The carriers would use their med slots for cap rechargers and lows for a duel rep armor tank. The carriers should have no problems nuking the targets cap in roughly one minute. Heavy drones for backup if the titan decides to blow its superweapon potentially killing fighters.
My next ships are aimed to deal damage. 5 Naglfars would provide enough firepower to take down the titan fairly quickly once it's out of cap. Siege/damage mods, the whole package.
Two more Naglfars fitted with MWD's, snake sets and nano/inertia stabs will make sure the titan doesn't go anywhere by bumping it out of alignment. These will also deal damage but be fairly weak if the titan has any sort of tackling setup fitted.
Two cloak/cyno ships to get your fleet in there.
One command ship which would be tanked enough toward the titans superweapon to survive it, and give gang bonuses to the rest of the gang. Claymore would be good here.
The same thing goes for motherships as well. The only thing you have to do is nuke their cap, and they become harmless puppies. (motherships can be slightly more dangerous than titans, even when out of cap). No cap, no tank, no escape.
Except there's nothing stopping it from just jumping out when the five carriers warp in, oops!
|
Ander
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 12:35:00 -
[28]
Originally by: LeMonde I guess you can call this 'LeMonde's how to kill a titan with 20 people"
Why 10 carriers? Wouldn't it be more useful and less costful to use 10 or 15 nanophoons/nanodoms orbiting at say.. 20km. Fitted with: 3 heavy nos to keep cap up indefinately to use 2-3 heavy neuts aswell. Using teh carrier-fleet is a tactical mistake if there're more standing by outside. At the moment, carriers are pretty much expensive papier machT with a bit of damage.
Since it's not possible to web one.. the question being, will dreads track a moving titan?
EVE Online - Pirates |
Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 12:36:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Aphotic Raven And people want a nos nerf.... pfff simpletons
To be correct what people wants nerfed is Nos but not Neuts which was recommended to use here. There is a huge difference between them in the simple fact that neuts have a cost of using them in using up your own cap while Nos are "free". ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Kazuo Ishiguro
|
Posted - 2007.01.23 12:53:00 -
[30]
Can dreadnoughts in siege mode reliably hit a titan? Since they can't be webbed, I suppose they can be made practically immune to citadel torpedoes, but what about other capital weapons? ------
So you're lagged out in Motsu/Saila/Aramachi, but you want that CNR? Do missions for another corp! |
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |