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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.05 19:15:00 -
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thank you.
thank you.
... omfg, THANK you. *q*
(i need that animated icon moocifier uses, here... >>;;
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Ayako
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Posted - 2003.12.05 19:21:00 -
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Quote: thank you.
thank you.
... omfg, THANK you. *q*
(i need that animated icon moocifier uses, here... >>;;
OMG, if this is true, I need to go log on Chaos! /runs back home to check it
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.12.05 19:23:00 -
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Stats, please
/emote is too lazy to log on
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.05 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 05/12/2003 19:32:44
"Stats, please "
It's the normal MWD, but the fitting requirements are lowered:
Meganewton Microwarpdrive I
Activation Cost: 45 energy Activation Time: 10 secs
(usual penalties apply)
CPU usage: 25 tf Powergrid usage: 15 MW
... if you set up the frigate properly and not use cap-heavy weapons or additional equipment, you can sustain the thrust forever. A Kestrel with MWD and no hull mods can fly at about 2.8 k/sec.
current problems:
it works equally well for the heavier ships (but am guessing 'tis will change soon)
at these speeds even frigate guns have problems hitting anything... might need a bit of tracking boost.
light missiles will probably need some serious speed boost, otherwise the frigate can simply outrun them. (not to mention torps and cruise missiles which also can't keep up. :s
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.12.05 19:37:00 -
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I would rather make light (and to a degree heavy) missles faster than torp and cruise. Doesn't makes much sense IMO that the biggest damage missles are the fastest.
But no tracking boost for frig guns. MWD should be used for evasive maneuvers and/or getting at close range to your target. If you want to hit it with guns at that point speed down
It's not like you need to orbit a BS at 2 kms in order not to get hit.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.05 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 05/12/2003 19:52:34
"I would rather make light (and to a degree heavy) missles faster than torp and cruise. Doesn't makes much sense IMO that the biggest damage missles are the fastest"
Right, i worded that wrong originally. I didn't mean torps and cruises need speed boost, just that they also can't hit the MWD-equipped frigate now... the speed boost should be just to the light and maybe heavy missiles, imo.
"But no tracking boost for frig guns. MWD should be used for evasive maneuvers and/or getting at close range to your target. If you want to hit it with guns at that point speed down "
Am thinking rather of possible problem where MWD-equipped frigate is trying to intercept other MWD-equipped frigate, in order to protect that big, fat battleship dragging feet behind... and the guns can't do a thing to the other frigate because the direction changes are too rapid.
Would have to test it, though... plus, can be probably worked out by other means. (webifiers, neutralizers etc)
"It's not like you need to orbit a BS at 2 kms in order not to get hit."
Indeed; was orbitting manually the tachyon-armed Armageddon today (the auto orbit really can't cope with those speeds) and at 2.5 k/sec as long as there was no lag, poor thing would do v.little damage even at 30-40 k range o.o;
Cruiser sized guns wouldn't hit either... 'rare' 150 mm rails came the closest to creating any serious danger.
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.12.05 20:31:00 -
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j0
what happens if you put one on a bship? Any penalties? Mercenary | The Azath |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.05 20:40:00 -
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... Like i wrote above when mentioning current problems
"it works equally well for the heavier ships (but am guessing 'tis will change soon)"
;)
(the speed boosters now have a new parameter which probably determines the effect in relation to ship weight... but it doesn't seem to be activated yet)
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Luther Pendragon
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Posted - 2003.12.05 20:50:00 -
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There a point to afterburners now then? I dunno why we have both of 'em, MWD's work as I thought afterburners would work. ____________________________________ Taggart wants YOU. Join TTi! *waves his hand in your face in the jedi way* |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.05 20:56:00 -
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"There a point to afterburners now then? I dunno why we have both of 'em, MWD's work as I thought afterburners would work."
Afterburners allow to achieve pretty high speed without the need to configure ship for them specifically.
E.g. when it comes to frigates, you might want to use combination of MWD and AFB -- the MWD will provide short, huge boost of speed to cover distance to the target quickly. When you reach the target, you'd rather want to turn off the MWD and use AFB instead... simply because it doesn't drain the cap much, and the speed it provides is enough to avoid being shot by heavy guns.
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Naz Farooq
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Posted - 2003.12.05 21:00:00 -
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So a Vigil will be able to hit 10km/sec easy. Wonder what a Breacher could do with it's 3 launcher slots. Can you saying bombing run?
Wow. Training Minmatar frig 5 would actually make sense now.
Sure, everyone supports saving Einstein's brain, but when you put it in the body of a Great White Shark, suddenly you've "gone too far". |
MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.12.05 21:37:00 -
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omg... he... he really... HE DID IT!!!!!!
This is absolutely great. Fighting in frigs will be so much fun omg...
Mai's Idealog |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.05 22:31:00 -
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Err...
4822m/s. TomB I pray that you have something else planned for stopping people too. Rifter is untouchable. About 3 seconds from warp in to dock.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.12.05 22:46:00 -
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Quote: Err...
4822m/s. TomB I pray that you have something else planned for stopping people too. Rifter is untouchable. About 3 seconds from warp in to dock.
wow, almost as quick as my agent-blackbird .
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.05 22:50:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: Err...
4822m/s. TomB I pray that you have something else planned for stopping people too. Rifter is untouchable. About 3 seconds from warp in to dock.
wow, almost as quick as my agent-blackbird
Then I won't tell you what the speed of my Mammoth is. Hopefully that's just because the speed vs mass modifier isn't working yet.
Someone was started firing on me when I undocked from Fight Club Station. I think they got 3 shots off before I was way out of range. And I was about 300km out when I finally slowed down enough to turn around to warp back
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Naz Farooq
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Posted - 2003.12.05 23:01:00 -
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I touched 50km/sec in a Vigil.
Sure, everyone supports saving Einstein's brain, but when you put it in the body of a Great White Shark, suddenly you've "gone too far". |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.05 23:32:00 -
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Quote: I touched 50km/sec in a Vigil.
I was being nice and only using one.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Novo DuPont
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Posted - 2003.12.06 02:46:00 -
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Well remember the penalties for MWD still are suppose to apply. Plus Tomb did say he would have to tweak the lower end MWD's and afterburners for cap usage. Sure you can get insane speeds but slowing down takes FOREVER.
Of course thats what ECM bursts and smart bombs are for, can't escape those no matter how fast you go, smart bombs never miss and alway hit for full damage
"To succeed greatly one must sacrifice greatly"
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.06 02:50:00 -
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Quote: Well remember the penalties for MWD still are suppose to apply. Plus Tomb did say he would have to tweak the lower end MWD's and afterburners for cap usage. Sure you can get insane speeds but slowing down takes FOREVER.
Of course thats what ECM bursts and smart bombs are for, can't escape those no matter how fast you go, smart bombs never miss and alway hit for full damage
Rifter can slide in from 30km-40km to 7.5m orbit in seconds. Orbitting at that range, outside smartbomb range, it can move at full normal speed easily. Which is way beyond large gun tracking.
Bring drones. Lots of them. (Rifter can counter Missiles too)
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Valeria
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Posted - 2003.12.06 02:50:00 -
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Please, think of the gate campers.
Your 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes some nublar, wrecking for 1155.0 damage. |
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Novo DuPont
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Posted - 2003.12.06 02:59:00 -
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That is if the BS's or cruiser is standing still. A smart BS captain keeps moving and randomly boosts speeds to throw orbiting ships off so they do end up in range as they try to compensate :)
Besides all that anyone who has a BS and doesn't have counters for all diff situations is a noob. Just like real Battleships had many diff types and sizes of weapons.
Hey how about FLAK guns for BS's :)
"To succeed greatly one must sacrifice greatly"
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.06 06:34:00 -
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Quote: That is if the BS's or cruiser is standing still. A smart BS captain keeps moving and randomly boosts speeds to throw orbiting ships off so they do end up in range as they try to compensate :)
Besides all that anyone who has a BS and doesn't have counters for all diff situations is a noob. Just like real Battleships had many diff types and sizes of weapons.
Hey how about FLAK guns for BS's :)
Actually I can orbit a bship moving under normal power at about 900m/s with a single burner on.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Leitari
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Posted - 2003.12.06 07:27:00 -
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I do not agree that the light missiles should be faster.
Cruise missile is alot bigger than a Bloodclaw and thus has alot bigger burner to reach its target, right? The issue is Agility, these things should be having trouble hitting frigate. The torpedos shouldnt be able to hit frigates, they have no agility whatsoever. Whats your take on this people?
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.06 07:36:00 -
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Quote: I do not agree that the light missiles should be faster.
Cruise missile is alot bigger than a Bloodclaw and thus has alot bigger burner to reach its target, right? The issue is Agility, these things should be having trouble hitting frigate. The torpedos shouldnt be able to hit frigates, they have no agility whatsoever. Whats your take on this people?
Torps can be dodged by a frigate. Cruise missiles too but they're slightly more difficult.
FoF Cruise Missiles are the ones frigates have to watch out for because of the bonus to agility FoF Missile skill grants.
Sitting still, flying in a direct line to the missiles/torps, not using defenders and other lapses in judgement I consider suicide on the part of the pilot.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.12.06 09:41:00 -
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Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 06/12/2003 09:41:37
Quote: Sitting still, flying in a direct line to the missiles/torps, not using defenders and other lapses in judgement I consider suicide on the part of the pilot.
Yup. Flying frigates definately requires more than character skills and good modules. You have to react extremely fast since the situations you go through change rapidly. With FoFs chasing you while 3 interceptor frigate pilots are on your back you really need to know your ship... otherwise you¦re toast.
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Kovak
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Posted - 2003.12.06 16:05:00 -
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looks like the bs and cruiser optimised mwd's are now in the meganewtron 10 and 100 respectively
I am slightly curious on how exactly they are gonna implement it when they move to tq e.g. unless your mwd is fitted to your ship at the time of the patch how is it decided which type it should be frig, cruiser or bs?
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.06 16:14:00 -
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Quote: looks like the bs and cruiser optimised mwd's are now in the meganewtron 10 and 100 respectively
I am slightly curious on how exactly they are gonna implement it when they move to tq e.g. unless your mwd is fitted to your ship at the time of the patch how is it decided which type it should be frig, cruiser or bs?
The existing modules are frigate level modules.
I expect anyone in a battleship on patch day to get a nasty shock.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.12.06 16:17:00 -
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autocannons here i come (again)!
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Indira Firebrand
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Posted - 2003.12.06 17:36:00 -
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if this is true I hate it!
I like being semi-unique in the fact that the Punisher is the only frig that can mount a MWD.
now every jagoff will be able to.
lame!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.06 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 06/12/2003 17:44:59
"I like being semi-unique in the fact that the Punisher is the only frig that can mount a MWD."
... can fit the MWD on Merlin with the Engineering/Electronics at lvl.4+ I think it's also possible to put one on the Rifter.
There goes your pride of being special. :s
(mean 'official' game build here, not Chaos)
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