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Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:49:00 -
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So my question is this, why would someone fly one over the other.
Tornado has OMGWTFBBQ alpha, small base sig radius, and is decently fast.
Oracle does what the tornado does, but with less alpha and higher DPS. I think.
I'm not all that keen on why one over the other. I've got some skilling up to do before fitting T2 large guns, so I'd like to know the strengths and weaknesses of both. |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
313
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:07:00 -
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Tornado, because of Winmatar |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
467
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:10:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Tornado, because of Winmatar
Yes'n no
Oracles are bloody fine, it's just that I cant use those |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:22:00 -
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Oracle, looks fracking awesum. |
Alara IonStorm
618
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Posted - 2011.12.13 21:31:00 -
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Lunkwill Khashour wrote:Oracle, looks fracking awesum. First time I saw one used was when I was a member of the Blue Republic. A Red Fed Kessie landed on Autaris HQ and before he could dock he was Alpha'd by a Tach Oracle. Same Pilot got a Thrasher in two shots the same way. Then a Noob Ship warped right next to him and he bolted like a bat out of hell. He could not hit it with his beams and figured it was a warp in for a Red Fed Fleet that would instapop him before we could counter warp to him.
I got my first Red Fed Nado kill that day on a large Battlecruiser heavy station fight we lost a couple too a Naga and Oracle. Two Red Nado's were instapoping frigs off the Vellaine Gate. I saw about 8-12 of them that day.
I figured I would not see them in RvB because of all the T1 Frig / Ceptor Tackle but they are going strong in Frig Alpha Set-ups and Battlecruiser Gang DPS Ships.
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Alara IonStorm
618
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Posted - 2011.12.13 21:31:00 -
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I hate these forums so much...
Oh well bright side is you get double the Alara at no extra cost. =/ |
Griznatch
Xicron Syndicate
30
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Posted - 2011.12.14 00:01:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:I hate these forums so much...
Oh well bright side is you get double the Alara at no extra cost. =/
What a deal!
I think the nado and oracle are both fine vessels, but a 1400 artymado is just disgusting. I popped a mwding slicer @60km on the 3rd volley (first two barely touched it) with titanium sabot. That sealed the deal for me. |
Daniel L'Siata
Echelon Conflict Resolution. Dragoons.
38
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Posted - 2011.12.14 00:16:00 -
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They're both scary as hell, you got it right on the Alpha/DPS differential as well by the way.
One other thing to keep in mind is that your standard Tachyoracle fit will also be marginally slower and considerably less tanked in a full DPS setup.
Also, has anyone else found the cap life on these things to be absurd? |
Aestivalis Saidrian
SplitPush Mercantiles
7
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Posted - 2011.12.14 00:50:00 -
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The Oracle imo is ridiculous. I'd have to eft warrior but I believe you can mount 8 tachs, tackle and dual rep. Tch IIs with BC5 and Controlled bursts 5 nets you 1.2 cap cost guns. Also it can mount similar firepower to a marauder. |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
2
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Posted - 2011.12.14 01:32:00 -
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Aestivalis Saidrian wrote:The Oracle imo is ridiculous. I'd have to eft warrior but I believe you can mount 8 tachs, tackle and dual rep. Tch IIs with BC5 and Controlled bursts 5 nets you 1.2 cap cost guns. Also it can mount similar firepower to a marauder.
Gawd. If you are using Tachs, why would you even need or want tackle? |
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Aestivalis Saidrian
SplitPush Mercantiles
7
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Posted - 2011.12.14 02:33:00 -
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Point counts as tackle in my book. You only get a 35km optimal or so an overloaded disrupter 4tw.
Albeit I'm not really pvp expeirienced and am totally EFT Warrioring. So there is that. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
55
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Posted - 2011.12.14 09:09:00 -
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Aestivalis Saidrian wrote:Point counts as tackle in my book. You only get a 35km optimal or so an overloaded disrupter 4tw.
Albeit I'm not really pvp expeirienced and am totally EFT Warrioring. So there is that.
Usually don't bother with tackle on the tier threes.
1) If you are in point range it takes some relatively fancy flying to hit anything 2) Their tank sucks, and its like a ceptor or vaga with the MWD off......free KM 3) You only buffer tank them for the logi to give you a chance to warp the hell off the field if you get primaried.
You would be amazed how fast 15-20 Oracles melts down a carrier though, its seriously WTF DPS. |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
32
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Posted - 2012.01.19 01:22:00 -
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Yup, in longer engagements where DPS matters over Alpha, the Oracle wins. I'll also call it a winner in shooting POCOs. No reload time wins the day!
I've seen a lot of Talos end up as top damage on small medium engagements as well because of their overwhelming DPS at close range. |
Cyzlaki
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
206
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Posted - 2012.01.19 01:44:00 -
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Oracle because it wins in range and tracking mainly
Oh and I ******* love the sound of mega pulse
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
Khrage
62
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Posted - 2012.01.19 05:23:00 -
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Cyzlaki wrote:Oracle because it wins in range and tracking mainly
Oh and I ******* love the sound of mega pulse
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
yes!
i used to be in love with the old tachyons before the updated turret effects, unfortunately haven't had the chance to see the new ones, but i heard it's not as epic, since the old ones had epic muzzle flare, could actually all fire at once, etc. |
Palladias
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.01.19 05:52:00 -
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I've been flying oracles in gangs more recently where I used to fly the harb. Definitely a very good ship. Also, plated bait oracle is funny as hell, although smarter frig pilots are too wise for it at this point. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
648
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:17:00 -
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I looked at this last night and I feel that the Tornado wins because its: - Faster - Better tracking - Num mids >= 4
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
58
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Posted - 2012.01.19 20:13:00 -
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Tornado: better alpha (passive targeter + 1400s + speedy ship = win?), quite workable with meta4 guns. Oracle: better DPS, but you need T2 lasers (esp. in pulse fits) to get full performance out of it. |
Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
313
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Posted - 2012.01.19 20:25:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I looked at this last night and I feel that the Tornado wins because its: - Faster - Better tracking - Num mids >= 4
-Liang
Yes, but the Oracle is far sexier. Heretic Army CEO Host of Frigfry Fridays http://judelloyd.blog.com/ -á |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
32
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Posted - 2012.01.19 20:45:00 -
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well by the time this post got rezzed, I trained T2 large pulse lasers to 4.
My setup that's currently working is 535 DPS and 2714 Alpha at 58 km with tracking of .037.
My buddy runs an alpha Nado that does 649 DPS and 10761 Alpha at 15+53 KM and a tracking of .023
For me, I always wanna do my best deeps, and I think the Oracle does that better at a farther range. However, if you absolutely positively have to get that falcon or blackbird down with 1 shot, then look no further than the Nado.
Alphawtfpwning a Falcon |
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Aamrr
238
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Posted - 2012.01.19 20:56:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I looked at this last night and I feel that the Tornado wins because its: - Faster - Better tracking - Num mids >= 4
-Liang
I thought tracking didn't matter on tier-3's? |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
652
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Posted - 2012.01.19 23:41:00 -
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Aamrr wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:I looked at this last night and I feel that the Tornado wins because its: - Faster - Better tracking - Num mids >= 4
-Liang I thought tracking didn't matter on tier-3's?
You got me ****** up for someone else bro. I was the one that was patiently explaining how the tracking deficiency (which truthfully has more to do with sig resolution than raw tracking) can be mitigated - not how it doesn't matter in the first place. Honestly I don't know how you can watch my videos and conclude that tracking doesn't matter.
But yes, there are ways to mitigate the problem - and after a certain point extra tracking isn't as useful as extra range or extra DPS. But we aren't talking about that here.
Any other "cute" questions to ask or are you done being a ******* moron?
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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m0cking bird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
92
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:20:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Aamrr wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:I looked at this last night and I feel that the Tornado wins because its: - Faster - Better tracking - Num mids >= 4
-Liang I thought tracking didn't matter on tier-3's? You got me ****** up for someone else bro. I was the one that was patiently explaining how the tracking deficiency (which truthfully has more to do with sig resolution than raw tracking) can be mitigated - not how it doesn't matter in the first place. Honestly I don't know how you can watch my videos and conclude that tracking doesn't matter. But yes, there are ways to mitigate the problem - and after a certain point extra tracking isn't as useful as extra range or extra DPS. But we aren't talking about that here. Any other "cute" questions to ask or are you done being a ******* moron? -Liang
Have to say your statements are boss and badass. I laughed really hard.
Oracle is better with Pulses compared to auto-cannons period... Alpha goes to the Tornado, but the Oracle comes close. The Oracle is very well rounded and I would give it to the Oracle. I've also said the Talos was better than the Naga not to long after it hit Tranq and I flew them both. So, take what I have to say with a grain of salt. Many believe the Naga is better than a Talos
- proxyyyy |
Aamrr
238
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:23:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Aamrr wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:I looked at this last night and I feel that the Tornado wins because its: - Faster - Better tracking - Num mids >= 4
-Liang I thought tracking didn't matter on tier-3's? You got me ****** up for someone else bro. I was the one that was patiently explaining how the tracking deficiency (which truthfully has more to do with sig resolution than raw tracking) can be mitigated - not how it doesn't matter in the first place. Honestly I don't know how you can watch my videos and conclude that tracking doesn't matter. But yes, there are ways to mitigate the problem - and after a certain point extra tracking isn't as useful as extra range or extra DPS. But we aren't talking about that here. Any other "cute" questions to ask or are you done being a ******* moron? -Liang
It was a joke. Considering all the rage that went on in that thread, I figured we could use some levity. Lighten up and find some common decency for once. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
654
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:24:00 -
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m0cking bird wrote:
Have to your statements are boss and badass. I laughed really hard.
Oracle is better with Pulses compared to auto-cannons period... Alpha goes to the Tornado, but the Oracle comes close. The Oracle is very well rounded and I would give it to the Oracle. I've also said the Talos was better than the Naga not to long after it hit Tranq and I flew them both. So, take what I have to say with a grain of salt. Many believe the Naga is better than a Talos
- proxyyyy
Thanks :D
As to the Tornado vs Oracle: I just don't see a way to make my Tier 3 play style work on a ship without 4 mids. I tried really hard and it just didn't seem to pan out in EFT. I should probably just sack up and try it out on TQ though.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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m0cking bird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
92
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:50:00 -
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Oracle Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Warp Disruptor II
Mega Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency L
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Oracle Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Fourier Transform Tracking Program Fourier Transform Tracking Program Power Diagnostic System II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
-proxyyyy |
drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.01.20 01:59:00 -
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Garr Earthbender wrote:well by the time this post got rezzed, I trained T2 large pulse lasers to 4. My setup that's currently working is 535 DPS and 2714 Alpha at 58 km with tracking of .037. My buddy runs an alpha Nado that does 649 DPS and 10761 Alpha at 15+53 KM and a tracking of .023 For me, I always wanna do my best deeps, and I think the Oracle does that better at a farther range. However, if you absolutely positively have to get that falcon or blackbird down with 1 shot, then look no further than the Nado. Alphawtfpwning a Falcon
You put large pulses on an Oracle make me want to . When you properly trained and have mega pulses you will be doing over 900DPS, and I still have some training to do. Maybe the large T2 was a typo and you didn't fit Heat sinks.. which is maybe not as bad.. but still makes me want to
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Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
32
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Posted - 2012.01.20 04:23:00 -
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drdxie wrote:Garr Earthbender wrote:well by the time this post got rezzed, I trained T2 large pulse lasers to 4. My setup that's currently working is 535 DPS and 2714 Alpha at 58 km with tracking of .037. My buddy runs an alpha Nado that does 649 DPS and 10761 Alpha at 15+53 KM and a tracking of .023 For me, I always wanna do my best deeps, and I think the Oracle does that better at a farther range. However, if you absolutely positively have to get that falcon or blackbird down with 1 shot, then look no further than the Nado. Alphawtfpwning a Falcon You put large pulses on an Oracle make me want to . When you properly trained and have mega pulses you will be doing over 900DPS, and I still have some training to do. Maybe the large T2 was a typo and you didn't fit Heat sinks.. which is maybe not as bad.. but still makes me want to
Might be because I'm on a tracking kick. Knowing that I face battlecruisers and smaller for the most part, and knowing that I'll be moving more often than not, I want more tracking. Even WITH 3 heat sink, Scorch will only do 719 DPS for me (not all lvl 5 *GASP*). This BC isn't made for close combat, so I'm gonna make sure I can hit from around 60 KM. So I put tracking enhancers in the lows with 1 heat sink.
And yes, I can get 900 DPS with 3 heat sinks and IN Multifreq. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
321
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:21:00 -
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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:Tornado: better alpha (passive targeter + 1400s + speedy ship = win?), quite workable with meta4 guns. Oracle: better DPS, but you need T2 lasers (esp. in pulse fits) to get full performance out of it. This.
Liang Nuren wrote: I looked at this last night and I feel that the Tornado wins because its: - Faster - Better tracking - Num mids >= 4
Also this.
It is worth noting that the Oracle is the tankiest tier 3 BC. It also has horrible, horrible, tracking but at least it's tanky.
Also, when thinking about DPS, keep in mind that in short fights, alpha affects "effective DPS" quite a lot. |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
32
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Posted - 2012.01.20 21:20:00 -
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Yup. I read that Alpha thread. It makes total sense. I'm probably defending the Oracle a bit much since I fly Amarr mainly. That and the fact it's the most effective nano BC that they have now. It out damages, out ranges, and out speeds the Harbinger, with the drawbacks being tracking, EHP, and no drones.
I fly with a nano drake gang, so there's plenty of points and webs to go around. Also, I tend to go pie here and there, so the extra EHP is worth it. Either way, here's my fit:
[Oracle, Effective Nano Oracle] Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Or you could replace the invuln field for a point. Don't go pie on a gate though!!! |
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
663
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Posted - 2012.01.20 21:25:00 -
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Yeah I'm not sold on that Inv. It just sits there and sucks capacitor when you aren't even being shot most of the time. I took the Invuln off my Talos and replaced it with a web.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
37
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Posted - 2012.01.20 21:48:00 -
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It's the same old-story with all of these ships (weapon platforms) guys...
IMHO, the bigger the gang, the more advantageous is the Pulse Oracle over the AC Tornado.
Tornado is better for small gangs as it can effectively field a point, BS class DPS and HAC agility/speed/tank.
Oracle with Pulses has GREATLY better dmg projection beyond point range (aka, when you are thinking of it as a pure dmg dealer). Tracking might be worse as a base stat, but the extra effective range can mitigate that. Shield buffer tanked (with no point) is still fast enough to control range and transversal.
The arty Tornado plays another game, and it's effectiveness is far greatly dependent on the support it gets (unless the application is alpha poppin things on bubbles and stations, or suicide ganking). "War does not determine who is right - only who is left." -- Bertrand Russell |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
32
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:17:00 -
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THIS JUST IN!!!!
Oracle beats Drake in major plex! (with stabber fleet holding epic point....)
BAM |
Christina Trild
SkyNet Experiments
0
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:42:00 -
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Tornado is a gankers heaven and can put out More alpha then a oracle if thats what you need them for |
Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
38
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:09:00 -
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Garr Earthbender wrote:THIS JUST IN!!!! Oracle beats Drake in major plex! (with stabber fleet holding epic point....) BAM
Wow, I am so proud of you...this was quite an achievement, and I hope you feel relieved now that you could share it with us.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left." -- Bertrand Russell |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
32
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:16:00 -
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Just trying to say that the Oracle is a decent ship that can put out the deeps. I never got into long point range. As a matter of fact, the closest I got was 50 KM. I guess I'm wondering if the nado could keep up the same damage at the same range? I was also primary for 1/2 the engagement. Shield kept up for the whole time. No invuln on it this time. Long point instead.
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
664
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:20:00 -
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Garr Earthbender wrote:Just trying to say that the Oracle is a decent ship that can put out the deeps. I never got into long point range. As a matter of fact, the closest I got was 50 KM. I guess I'm wondering if the nado could keep up the same damage at the same range? I was also primary for 1/2 the engagement. Shield kept up for the whole time. No invuln on it this time. Long point instead.
Eh, I'd say that the Tornado and Oracle aren't really in competition for the same role. The Oracle is very much the hang out at 30-60km guy while the Tornado and Talos should be hanging out much closer to the fight. It means they have to be more on their toes but as a rule it seems to work out so far.
-Liang
Ed: Also, I know everyone is all lusty over Scorch but I don't think I'd be using it on an Oracle. I get extremely skittish about not having a drone bay. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
38
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:35:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:[quote=Garr Earthbender]Ed: Also, I know everyone is all lusty over Scorch but I don't think I'd be using it on an Oracle. I get extremely skittish about not having a drone bay.
It's the way to go actually...just like Null is a must have for the talos that works it's way and doesn't straight gank loners, the Scorch works for you in pretty much any situation Tier 3s are shining.
Tracking is crap against frigs, but that's true with faction ammo with ALL the large guns - even with tracking bonuses, the enemy frig has to pay no attention to transversal, and even then it will be hard to land good shots on it. Ofc lucky (or stupid, depends on the side you are on) volleys on straight - approach-MWDing frigs can be devastating, but most of the times you have more to win than lose using T2 long range ammo with all "Short-range" turrets and Tier 3 DCs - with the Tornado being the exception maybe, as with 2x TEs shoots pretty far with faction.
In a nut-shell: Scorch and Null ftw. "War does not determine who is right - only who is left." -- Bertrand Russell |
Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
60
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Posted - 2012.01.21 02:46:00 -
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Oracle puts down better DPS than the Nado at every applicable range due to it possessing more lows for Heat Sinks & Lasers doing more damage than ACs straight off the shelf, neglecting falloff/optimal. I've put Oracles at 20km from the primary in order to really lay down the pain with Conflag on anything Cruiser size and above and the DPS coming out is pretty amazing, especially since you can pull out to 60km if needed and still retain most of it.
Reg: tracking, fact of the matter is that any decent frigate pilot will not get nailed by any of the new Tier 3s at close range - they HAVE to pull out to hit them in reality in an actual challenging fight where it can't linger for vital seconds to line up that shot.
Nado for small gangs for the fact it can actually fit a point, Oracle for DPS.
Solo Oracle is also viable (true solo - without links, snakes etc.) but more so than with the other Tier 3s you have to be extremely careful of frigates due to it having the worst tracking. |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
33
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Posted - 2012.01.30 19:56:00 -
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I'm still going with nado for alphawtfpwn and oracle for DPS/longer engagment stuff.
I've been enjoying the quick ammo swap when burning from gate. Jump in, uncloak, use IN multifreq until 20KM out, then switch to Scorch afterwards. Keep at range of 60, and you've got 40KM to GTFO or burn away. Range as 'tank' works pretty well. -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine. |
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Alua Oresson
The Dominion of Light BLACK-MARK
64
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Posted - 2012.01.30 20:11:00 -
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Haven't really flown either of them. What I am most happy about is that there is not a consensus about which one is better. That tells me that they are of comparable power levels, yet not so much the same that you can't compare them. I think that's the biggest and best impression. None of the T3 BC's seem to be overpowered compared to any other. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
718
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Posted - 2012.01.30 20:30:00 -
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Diomidis wrote: Tracking is crap against frigs, but that's true with faction ammo with ALL the large guns - even with tracking bonuses, the enemy frig has to pay no attention to transversal, and even then it will be hard to land good shots on it. Ofc lucky (or stupid, depends on the side you are on) volleys on straight - approach-MWDing frigs can be devastating, but most of the times you have more to win than lose using T2 long range ammo with all "Short-range" turrets and Tier 3 DCs - with the Tornado being the exception maybe, as with 2x TEs shoots pretty far with faction.
I don't think that I agree with you. I've been having really good luck with FN AM, a web, and some situation manipulation that forces their transversal to drop in a big way. Null just isn't able to hit them - though I admit that it might if I were gonna fit a FN web on my Talos.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Proxy of Sin
Deadman W0nderland The 99 Percent
0
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Posted - 2012.01.31 16:29:00 -
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Alua Oresson wrote:Haven't really flown either of them. What I am most happy about is that there is not a consensus about which one is better. That tells me that they are of comparable power levels, yet not so much the same that you can't compare them. I think that's the biggest and best impression. None of the T3 BC's seem to be overpowered compared to any other.
Naga is the worst comparatively. @tleast when comparing close range turrets.
Solo = Talos (drones), Tornado.
Fleet = Tornado, Oracle.
Sniping = Tornado, Oracle, Naga.
These ships are most viable in fleets. The Tornado and Oracle are far superior when compared to the Naga and Talos.
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Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2012.02.01 01:43:00 -
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Actually the Naga is pretty good CEO and Major ShareholderAPEX ConglomerateMaker of Starsi softdrinks and Torped-Os! Cereal http://www.altaholics.blogspot.com
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Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.02.01 02:30:00 -
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Yeah, I've seen the Naga do well in fleet ops. The vid I saw, the Naga had 2x tracking computers in the mids and switched them out depending on what he was shooting/how far he was shooting. Worked out quite nice for him.
BTW, now running dual LSE oracle now. No cap drain from invuln field= longer cap useage/MWD time. Still has enough buffer to GTFO. I also consider that 60KM a sort of 'buffer' If there's no ceptors around, I can sit still at 60KM and lay down the PAIN on the primary. If anything starts approaching me, I have almost 40KM to recognize it and then burn away before I'm even in long point range.
Range buffer FTW. -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine. |
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