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Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
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Posted - 2015.12.08 02:39:48 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Ageanal Olerie wrote: As suspected the gang of actual griefers and bullies who can't stand up to a real PvP fight come out of the woodwork to defend their cowardly practices.
What do the Ps in "PvP" stand for? I am pretty sure neither one stands for "MTU", so I am not sure how you imagine this could possibly relate to a "real PvP fight".
the MTU's father was a real archie-knox of a wheelie bin - one day, in high wind, he flipped his lid and hit an old woman on the head
it was epic pvp man
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Lyra Gerie
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2015.12.08 02:46:05 -
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Ageanal Olerie wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:
What do the Ps in "PvP" stand for?
I am pretty sure neither one stands for "MTU", so I am not sure how you imagine this could possibly relate to a "real PvP fight".
The MTU is owned by a player. So if you're sticking around during your 15 minute Suspect flag for an actual PvP fight, well that's one thing. If you're just blowing it up and running, that's quite another.
If you find 20 dollars on the street do you stick around for 15 minutes to see if someone tries to pick it up?
Your idea is bad and you should feel bad. If you didn't want someone to find your 20 dollars and take it, you probably should have kept it in your pocket. |
Ageanal Olerie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.12.08 03:27:34 -
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Lyra Gerie wrote: If you find 20 dollars on the street do you stick around for 15 minutes to see if someone tries to pick it up?
Your idea is bad and you should feel bad. If you didn't want someone to find your 20 dollars and take it, you probably should have kept it in your pocket.
And what if you find somebody's car on the street?
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1205
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Posted - 2015.12.08 03:51:21 -
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Ageanal Olerie wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:
What do the Ps in "PvP" stand for?
I am pretty sure neither one stands for "MTU", so I am not sure how you imagine this could possibly relate to a "real PvP fight".
The MTU is owned by a player.
Owned by a player isn't BEING a player, so I'm not sure why you imagine that is relevant.
Quote:And what if you find somebody's car on the street?
I dunno, is the street located in a mostly lawless dystopian future in which I just happen to be, for all intents and purposes, an immortal demigod?
And is the trunk full of loot?
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
39
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Posted - 2015.12.08 03:56:02 -
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Ageanal Olerie wrote:Lyra Gerie wrote: If you find 20 dollars on the street do you stick around for 15 minutes to see if someone tries to pick it up?
Your idea is bad and you should feel bad. If you didn't want someone to find your 20 dollars and take it, you probably should have kept it in your pocket.
And what if you find somebody's car on the street?
If your proposal is accepted the car will explode... so it is best to steer clear
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Iain Cariaba
2147
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Posted - 2015.12.08 04:00:48 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Ageanal Olerie wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:
What do the Ps in "PvP" stand for?
I am pretty sure neither one stands for "MTU", so I am not sure how you imagine this could possibly relate to a "real PvP fight".
The MTU is owned by a player. Owned by a player isn't BEING a player, so I'm not sure why you imagine that is relevant. Quote:And what if you find somebody's car on the street? I dunno, is the street located in a mostly lawless dystopian future in which I just happen to be, for all intents and purposes, an immortal demigod? And is the trunk full of loot? Pff, it doesn't even need to be a dystopian future, you only need to be in the wrong part of most major cities.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
1073
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Posted - 2015.12.08 04:07:00 -
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Ageanal Olerie wrote: More costly to be sure, but let the MTU's fight back.
Also how about a self-destruct. Once it get's below a certain amount of structure damage the self-destruct mechanism kicks in with a large directed burst of damaging energy and shrapnel that heads directly toward the attacker.
If that's too much the self-destruct would kick in upon destruction and simply destroy all the contents within.
How about an MTU that converts matter into shield energy. Destroying items within one-by-one to buff the shields. The more mass the object has the more shield energy it produces.
How about an MTU that sends you a notification that it's under attack if you are in game at the time.
Anyhow, I left one of these in the field for a very brief period in a lonely system (less than 5 minutes) when I docked up. It was destroyed by the time I returned (by a lone griefer who's killboard shows that this is his profession apparently).
Absolutely supported, but make hacking them possible too, so when you come back to it you are no longer the owner and it fights you.
While I dislike these guys too, you have the option of training the skills and doing it with a Noctis yourself. You could always guard it, I am not sure if they get a suspect flag for it, but if they do you can always prepare a little party for the guy the next time you see him around.
There are also corps of pro salvagers who will do it for you. Depending on where you are. In the area I operate in ProSynergy does it fro half the value. |
The Ginger Sith
Attero Industries
5
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Posted - 2015.12.08 06:13:17 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:The Ginger Sith wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Griefers are virtually non-existent in Eve, so you are likely mistaken about what happened to your MTU. It was most likely destroyed by a regular player enjoying the game in accordance with its rules.
that statement has more bull **** flowing from it then obama's entire career lol people get banned for greifing in starter systems all the time... I anxiously await your hard numbers on the actual frequency of this occurrence, both as a flat value and as a percentage of game activity.
there is no need since there is the fact CCP has a rule in the EULA that makes griefing a bannable offensive in starter systems that along is proof that your virtually non-existant griefers very much exist your attempt to troll is cute tho |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1213
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Posted - 2015.12.08 06:25:50 -
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The Ginger Sith wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:The Ginger Sith wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Griefers are virtually non-existent in Eve, so you are likely mistaken about what happened to your MTU. It was most likely destroyed by a regular player enjoying the game in accordance with its rules.
that statement has more bull **** flowing from it then obama's entire career lol people get banned for greifing in starter systems all the time... I anxiously await your hard numbers on the actual frequency of this occurrence, both as a flat value and as a percentage of game activity. there is no need since there is the fact CCP has a rule in the EULA that makes griefing a bannable offensive in starter systems that along is proof that your virtually non-existant griefers very much exist your attempt to troll is cute tho
No, that's proof that once upon a time, they decided to ban that particular activity.
It says absolutely nothing about the pervasiveness of that activity, especially not as it stands today.
Most countries, for instance, have laws against treason. Does the mere existence of the law make treason a common offense? Is there a massive, treasonous crime wave being kept under wraps by the media?
So, having established that we can't actually determine anything merely by the existence of a rule, I once again anxiously await your hard numbers on the actual frequency of this occurrence, both as a flat value and as a percentage of game activity.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1930
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Posted - 2015.12.08 08:20:40 -
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If you can't defend it don't depoloy it.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Morrigan LeSante
Senex Legio The OSS
747
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Posted - 2015.12.08 09:08:22 -
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You're all missing a trick. I mean, if the thing shoots back, it MUST form an LE with the owner, right....we all know how that went in the past.
+1, on that basis. |
Deukmans Fehrnah
Pwn 'N Play SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.12.08 09:09:42 -
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isnt the real question why it takes him 5 mins to go to a station and back? i can do it faster in a battleship and im pretty sure you can do it faster in a dread.
mtu allow you to gather loot from long distances without actually going there, similar to a noctis(without salvageing). this makes life easier for slow battlship fits which are common for PvE. that being the reason for their existance, making them vaporize loot or other them doing other weird stuff to your "loot" is a stupid solution.
further more, if you live in Nullsec like me, leaving a MTU with possibly 100mil or more in loot ungarded isnt a profitable idea.
tdlr: dont leave you valueables in space, it gets shot like every other thing out there. this one is on you only buddy |
Iain Cariaba
2151
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Posted - 2015.12.08 09:14:23 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:You're all missing a trick. I mean, if the thing shoots back, it MUST form an LE with the owner, right....we all know how that went in the past.
+1, on that basis. You know, I'd forgotten about that little trick.
I changed my mind, I now fully support MTUs being able to defend themselves.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2881
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Posted - 2015.12.08 11:54:55 -
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Ageanal Olerie wrote:"PLEASE don't make space any more dangerous for those who like to shoot at things that can't shoot back, we're just trying to irritate and aggravate other players with little to no threat to ourselves." As suspected the gang of actual griefers and bullies who can't stand up to a real PvP fight come out of the woodwork to defend their cowardly practices. I think it's clear now that we've unequivocally established that, so we should all keep that in mind when you reject other ideas (for noble reasons of course) that make a griefers life (your life) more difficult. I shouldn't be too judgmental though. You were probably bullied a lot yourselves in school or at home by your parents.
Spoken like a true carebear.
Doesnt understand the game. Doesnt understand mechanics. Cant take criticism. Cant defend their proposal.
Degenerates to personal attacks.
/thread
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
26269
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Posted - 2015.12.08 12:08:56 -
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Ageanal Olerie wrote:Bumblefck wrote:The fact that you describe the person who killed your precious inert piece of space machinery as a 'griefer' says it all, sorry Are you afraid of a little challenge? Or not being rewarded for your bad behavior, other than the satisfaction of aggravating another player? Are you afraid of the little challenge of defending your mtu yourself? Or why do you need CCP to implement a defense for you?
You call them griefers, yet you are the passive aggressive one who looks down on people ... ... refusing to accept the game and your responsibility ... ... and most probably hiding behind an alt.
I hope for you that it's an alt, because many of us aren't particularly fond of griefers like yourself.
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
9590
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Posted - 2015.12.08 12:48:07 -
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Post with your main so we can see how your first lost an MTU and then a ship
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter
1088
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Posted - 2015.12.08 13:52:30 -
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Ageanal Olerie wrote:Let's shake things up and make them a bit more interesting for the MTU hunters. I think I can get behind this idea.
Reship into something PvP-capable and do it.
Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1644
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Posted - 2015.12.08 14:17:34 -
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I like the idea assuming the owner of the MTU gets an agression timer as soon as the MTU shoots at me. As long as the owner gets a timer - this has content written all over it. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1644
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Posted - 2015.12.08 14:26:03 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Ageanal Olerie wrote:Let's shake things up and make them a bit more interesting for the MTU hunters. I think I can get behind this idea. Reship into something PvP-capable and do it. While we are at it, consider this: the way CCP are changing the game right now (sov system, citadel defences and the like) telegraphs their intention very well: they want to make PvP-relevant actions only as hard as other players allow it. Hostile space is only as hostile as players in it, taking sov is only hard if there's opposition, citadels will only be as well-defended as players that are online can make them. By the same token, MTU is only so "wrong" to mess with as its owner is a wrong dude to provoke. Notifications and all may be fine, but it won't fight your battles for you.
Why would anyone defend a citadel? You stuff has space magic protection. Here's how it will go. Join corp. Corp provides Citadel (there will be very few personal citadels in eve). Move your stuff in.
Citadel gets attacked - you have 2 options:
1. Defend it if you feel like it. 2. Collect your stuff once the heat dies down and it's safe if you don't feel like it.
CCP is giving away content opportunities. New awesome stations with no real reason to defend them (other than the cost to put up a new one).
MTU shooting back is more a HS thing. It's reasonable that the owner gets an agression timer if it shoots at someone. |
Lyra Gerie
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
74
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Posted - 2015.12.08 15:28:36 -
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Ageanal Olerie wrote:Lyra Gerie wrote: If you find 20 dollars on the street do you stick around for 15 minutes to see if someone tries to pick it up?
Your idea is bad and you should feel bad. If you didn't want someone to find your 20 dollars and take it, you probably should have kept it in your pocket.
And what if you find somebody's car on the street?
Are you seriously naive enough to think that no one has stolen a car before and gotten away with it? Also do you think your car would be street legal with defensive weapons to prevent it from being carjacked? |
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1646
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Posted - 2015.12.08 15:36:23 -
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Lyra Gerie wrote:Ageanal Olerie wrote:Lyra Gerie wrote: If you find 20 dollars on the street do you stick around for 15 minutes to see if someone tries to pick it up?
Your idea is bad and you should feel bad. If you didn't want someone to find your 20 dollars and take it, you probably should have kept it in your pocket.
And what if you find somebody's car on the street? Are you seriously naive enough to think that no one has stolen a car before and gotten away with it? Also do you think your car would be street legal with defensive weapons to prevent it from being carjacked?
I think this proves (better than most) that silly RL analogies shouldn't be applied to eve. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1220
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Posted - 2015.12.08 15:37:35 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Lyra Gerie wrote:Ageanal Olerie wrote:Lyra Gerie wrote: If you find 20 dollars on the street do you stick around for 15 minutes to see if someone tries to pick it up?
Your idea is bad and you should feel bad. If you didn't want someone to find your 20 dollars and take it, you probably should have kept it in your pocket.
And what if you find somebody's car on the street? Are you seriously naive enough to think that no one has stolen a car before and gotten away with it? Also do you think your car would be street legal with defensive weapons to prevent it from being carjacked? I think this proves (better than most) that silly RL analogies shouldn't be applied to eve.
But they told me Eve is Real. :(
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1646
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Posted - 2015.12.08 15:39:09 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:Lyra Gerie wrote:Ageanal Olerie wrote:Lyra Gerie wrote: If you find 20 dollars on the street do you stick around for 15 minutes to see if someone tries to pick it up?
Your idea is bad and you should feel bad. If you didn't want someone to find your 20 dollars and take it, you probably should have kept it in your pocket.
And what if you find somebody's car on the street? Are you seriously naive enough to think that no one has stolen a car before and gotten away with it? Also do you think your car would be street legal with defensive weapons to prevent it from being carjacked? I think this proves (better than most) that silly RL analogies shouldn't be applied to eve. But they told me Eve is Real. :(
The excitement and adrenaline associated with small gang pvp is real. (You don't actually die or have a clone bay.... sorry??) |
Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
26411
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Posted - 2015.12.08 17:00:47 -
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I think it's not the real life analogies that shouldn't be applied ... ... it's more like people lack the cognitive ability to grasp them properly.
Suicide ganking a capsule is the equivalent of killing Jesus without the three-day lag.
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1437
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Posted - 2015.12.08 17:55:15 -
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I have removed an off-topic/troll post and all of those that quoted it. Please remember to stay civil and on-topic in threads.
Quote:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
ISD Decoy
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1649
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Posted - 2015.12.08 17:55:16 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:Lyra Gerie wrote:Ageanal Olerie wrote:Lyra Gerie wrote: If you find 20 dollars on the street do you stick around for 15 minutes to see if someone tries to pick it up?
Your idea is bad and you should feel bad. If you didn't want someone to find your 20 dollars and take it, you probably should have kept it in your pocket.
And what if you find somebody's car on the street? Are you seriously naive enough to think that no one has stolen a car before and gotten away with it? Also do you think your car would be street legal with defensive weapons to prevent it from being carjacked? Yes, in South Africa in the early 90's...
Ah yes the flaming bbq grill car. That was pretty crazy. |
Ageanal Olerie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.12.08 18:01:20 -
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Self deleted since ISD deleted troll post.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
9594
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Posted - 2015.12.08 18:13:26 -
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Ageanal Olerie wrote:Self deleted since ISD deleted troll post.
So...you acknowledge that your OP was merely trolling?
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Ageanal Olerie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.12.08 18:15:12 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:I like the idea assuming the owner of the MTU gets an agression timer as soon as the MTU shoots at me. As long as the owner gets a timer - this has content written all over it.
Well that would have content for griefers (and their many defenders) written all over it.
I'd bet that 95% of all those out there attacking MTUs are not looking for a worthy fight. They're either looking to grief others or a quick and easy pay day.
They aren't looking for or expecting any risk.
The risk vs. reward of attacking these things is extremely lopsided. Very low risk. Very high reward of either sociopathic enjoyment, or potentially high loot drop payoff.
The moment someone suggests increasing the risk somewhat, the typical griefers and their defenders come out of the woodwork to object, thereby highlighting the very fact that they do NOT want this behavior to entail anymore risk to themselves, and thus confirming the diagnosis of griefers and bullies.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
9596
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Posted - 2015.12.08 18:18:11 -
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Just a quick point - we'll all take you far more seriously if you would desist in labelling people who are merely playing the game as it was intended as 'griefers'.
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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