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Kryztal
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 02:54:00 -
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lol its just so funny how everyone complains about spies. When its been no sekrit that we use them and have been using them since.... ever. That beeing said, almost all alliances out there use spies, on the forums, ingame on TS etc etc. Most of it is done on a leadership level so the comon grunt doesnt know about it. Well if your gonna be that naive to think that your alliance doesnt then im sorry to say that most of you are wrong.
Even today a corpmail went out to EDF stating the fact that they do have spies on our forums so please cry your rivers somewhere else. Its not our fault that you cant get a good enough spy to sabotage your enemy. Tbh, Cryvok said at the begining of this war that he endorsed every kind of exploitation of the game mechanics and that ASCN would do ANYTHING, did we stoop to low for you ? Well im not really sorry, until it happends to us i have no idea what your going through but the comedy factor is most certainly high.
I hope all your crying about how LV and AXE are going to safe you and that your going to contact your buddies in the north for help will work out for you guys, cos tbh the fighting is a bit pathetic. There is no challange, just roll overs. If we wanted to we could have rolled over AZN this weekend thats passing. But tbh that would just mean you would scatter somewhere else where we would have to look under every rock to pick a fight. We are in AZN to pick a fight, its your homesystem so comon bring it. If this is all you got then yes your going to need your buddies to bail you out. Im almost positive AXE and LV would be able to give us better fights so you can go lick your wounds with your tails between your legs.
Anyway, no sov in the former EDF system. So there is still chance for you for some Station ping pong.
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 02:55:00 -
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It's not the fault of BoB that ASCN security is not up to par. EVE is cruel to those that do not make an effort to play properly.
I don't think it's disgraceful to take a system so quickly. I think it's disgraceful to allow such a thing to happen. If it were so "easy" and required so little "skill", when why don't you do it to us? Fact is that all the whining here is because you have no capability to do it. Not because of any moral ascendancy, but because of ineptness. If you feel that we have violated any rules of EVE then petition us. In the end though, the truth that remains is that we have violated YOU, and you are more than welcome to destroy us for such humiliation. Come.
I trust every member of BoB implicitly. ASCN, can you say the same of your membership? Why did you build an alliance where you could not trust your members?
That anger you feel now, take a hold of it, let it roll in your hand, feel the slimy coldness of it. That is fear.
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iceyreloaded
Amarr Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.11 03:08:00 -
[273]
After long and careful thought.
Congrats on a very well planned and executed manoeuver.
I'd do the same to you. o7
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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Baun Edited by: Baun on 11/12/2006 02:07:37
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti BOB offlined the towers so they can say they won again.
Is anyone really suprised?
BOB have no class.
Indeed they don't. This has happened a great many times.
Before Metal Dude or some other foaming forum cowboy starts the usual schpiel with me just consider the following:
Resorting to these sorts of tactics undercuts any notion that you will have won solely becuase you are better at any aspect of the game other than being underhanded.
Being underhanded certainly is an aspect of the game and it can be a very important aspect. You have, however, robbed yourself of an even remotely "clean" victory. You can no longer come out of this claiming to have won just because you are a better combination of fighting and logistics.
Winning at all costs is fine but don't conveniently forget what you have done when you look back on this.
Don't bring my name in to this, considering you are the foaming forum cowboy in this thread, mofo.
The truth will set you free
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Kathar Narka
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Baun
Winning at all costs is fine but don't conveniently forget what you have done when you look back on this.
Oh, we certainly won't. It was a super recipe! mmm |
Bildox
Minmatar Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2006.12.11 03:25:00 -
[276]
goonswarm tactics > ASCN
gl ASCN.
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El Alamein
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: iceyreloaded After long and careful thought.
Congrats on a very well planned and executed manoeuver.
I'd do the same to you. o7
finally a decent comment from ASCN.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.11 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Carth Jared
Originally by: Admiral Feelgood Edited by: Admiral Feelgood on 10/12/2006 22:05:13
Originally by: Max Teranous
Originally by: Claude Trompeur There are no adequate tools to protect yourself from this kind of atack unless you do not give anyone within your corp or alliance who you don't know IRL any vital roles.
It's easier than you think. Have at least 3 seperate corps running the POS in a system, is it is then impossible for a single spy/judas member from offlining the lot in one go. However as it was EDF that held the only POS's in system, there was no backup or protection against it.
what r u dum?! they say they don't kno how 2 do it so ofc nothing can b safe, what are(sic) you a NEWBIE?
Ooh the irony
My liver is still complaining from Max' "I passed 20m SP" party... :) -
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LinBadar
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 03:48:00 -
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There seems to be a common theme cropping up in this thread -
BoB couldn't beat ascn thru pvp so we resorted to spies....
Hands up the people that think pvp is one ship shooting another in a test of arms?
Eve is a pvp game through and through and BoB, as it is continually proving, the best at it. Yes I can see people having an issue with this statement if you are foolish enough to categorize player vs player in such a limiting way as only the ability to destroy a ship. Every aspect of this game is pvp whether it be on an economical front, logistic, military or even social engineering which is the main issue at hand.
going back to: BoB couldn't beat ascn thru pvp so we resorted to spies....
really all that has happened is you have been out manouvered again in yet another aspect of pvp.
oh and to iceyreloaded who posted
"After long and careful thought.
Congrats on a very well planned and executed manoeuver.
I'd do the same to you. o7"
This probably get lost in all these pages. This exemplifies the attitude of a player willing to move on, learn and not make the same mistake again...rather than harp on about dirty underhanded tactics....time for a rethinking on leadership maybe?
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Miranoff
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.11 04:01:00 -
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Edited by: Miranoff on 11/12/2006 04:06:40 Edited by: Miranoff on 11/12/2006 04:04:19
Originally by: LinBadar
time for a rethinking on leadership maybe?
Time for swift kick in the ass?
edit: sorry bout the ticker, I am in the process of changing corps to goto EDF so as to more easily plant one square between your buttcheeks..probabaly going to get deleted anyway but meh...
Miranoff
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.12.11 04:08:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 11/12/2006 04:10:24 .
Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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Nifel
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Baun Resorting to these sorts of tactics undercuts any notion that you will have won solely becuase you are better at any aspect of the game other than being underhanded.
Being underhanded certainly is an aspect of the game and it can be a very important aspect. You have, however, robbed yourself of an even remotely "clean" victory. You can no longer come out of this claiming to have won just because you are a better combination of fighting and logistics.
Winning at all costs is fine but don't conveniently forget what you have done when you look back on this.
Why are you under the illusion we're doing this for the perception of other alliances towards us?
"When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: Sama |
welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.12.11 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Nifel
Originally by: Baun Resorting to these sorts of tactics undercuts any notion that you will have won solely becuase you are better at any aspect of the game other than being underhanded.
Being underhanded certainly is an aspect of the game and it can be a very important aspect. You have, however, robbed yourself of an even remotely "clean" victory. You can no longer come out of this claiming to have won just because you are a better combination of fighting and logistics.
Winning at all costs is fine but don't conveniently forget what you have done when you look back on this.
Why are you under the illusion we're doing this for the perception of other alliances towards us?
Because its human nature to seek acceptance amongst ones peers. It's all here, conveniently chronicled and stamped with the games official seal of approval.
Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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IntegralHellsing
Gallente The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.12.11 04:30:00 -
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just some questions.
1. IF BoB used spies to offline a pos in c9n, then why didn't BoB also use those spies to offline all the pos in c9n?
2. Creedy. Why RUSTY spoon? anything special about it? (Sorry, I am no european/american continental so I don't get the sentence.)
3. were there ACTUALLY spies that offlined POS? can you confirm with solid evidences? ------------------------------
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Baun
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.11 04:40:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 11/12/2006 04:41:51
Originally by: Nifel
Originally by: Baun Resorting to these sorts of tactics undercuts any notion that you will have won solely becuase you are better at any aspect of the game other than being underhanded.
Being underhanded certainly is an aspect of the game and it can be a very important aspect. You have, however, robbed yourself of an even remotely "clean" victory. You can no longer come out of this claiming to have won just because you are a better combination of fighting and logistics.
Winning at all costs is fine but don't conveniently forget what you have done when you look back on this.
Why are you under the illusion we're doing this for the perception of other alliances towards us?
Perhaps because BoB seems to claim that they are vastly superior PvPers as compared to ASCN?
Perhaps because the war has been fought as much if not more on the forums than it has in game?
Perhaps because BoB has a history of combining propaganda and actual in-game success to gain their reputation?
Or of course there is also the fact that you felt the need to make a post on a forum read almost exclusively by "others".
The message is simple; If you want to make claims about why you won after you won you should put yourself in a position to make those claims convincingly.
Its your choice to use tactics like this but they deprive you of the ability to convincingly demonstrate the sort of dominance you want to project. The must significant system conquering of the war to date you cannot attribute to fighting ability. I am unconcerned with whether it bothers you, I am concerned that you are put on notice not to sound like a hypocrit later when you claim you won for other reasons.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Jasmine Dupre
Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.11 04:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Dupre on 11/12/2006 04:43:11 OMG 11 pages of whining
To the whiners zip it and cry to empire, everyone else will keep fighting, the playing field is known now its time to work with it.
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Cellica
Caldari Ferinus Vis
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:12:00 -
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Hmm, again and again. Every time BOB post weekly reports (its fun to read and amusing at times), ASCN never fails to turn up ... whining bout it and complaints bout the process.
Lets get this straight...
Warfare in EVE does not restricts to pew pew between ships, there's POS warfare, the usual fleet warfare... same goes with espionage warfare. Its all come down to internal process and management of ways within the alliance.
Wartime, everything is crucial be it a single ship lost or the lost of outpost. ASCN fails to exercise all means to secure that which could promptly leads to failure of internal management.
Even after reading few of the BOB post, i still seeing BOB winning the war and on every battle... be it fleet, invasion or phychologically towards pilot of ASCN.
ASCN manage to knock BOB pos down to reinforced mode. Kudos and job well done, but if you're not able to finish it off right after it come-out from reinforced mode... clearly you failed.
Having own alliance pilots sacrifice their time and passion to save their homeland, but without their alliance leader to actually be 1st one in, and last one out... clearly you failed again. Ship blown, dreads and carriers down... big deal, the alliance can reimbursed but would the pilots would want to waste another useless attempt to atk BOB again? Think again, BOB wins phychologically without needing to field their numbers in system yet still able to further demoralize ASCN pilots.
Able to execute any means of tactics... using spies, using corp traitors... no matter how low and lame it was, or how superb and cool it would be, in the end its still tactics usable to achieve victory in war.
If its against the UELA, petitioned it and you get back what you lost... plain and simple. If its not, STFU and assemble the available 1~2k "active" ASCN pilots and fight back.
There's always mentioned about honor and respect which again the failed issue here. BOB doesn't need respect from anyone as far as most of the post in e-o concerned. If BOB able to hold everything up and micromanage the alliance and yet industrial team able to do the usual carebearing while the frontline mounting/engaging an invasion... they won!
They able to field their numbers effectively and efficiently is what i would call respect! The ability of their members to go with their leader and bringing their best ships indicates that they have no hesitant towards what might failed them but full trust towards their leader to bring them glory heads-on. Now that's respect!
So ASCN, stop whinning bout what lame method or tactics being used, tactics is tactics nothing more nothing less... be it IRL or EVE-Online, wake-up and stand-up... prepare and gather your force and fight back. The numbers that you have means everything for your survival in Feythabolis, else might as well just pack up and seek safe-passage from BOB and return to empire.
"A house would take months to built, but few hours to get it burnt down"
Kudos to BOB for efficient war progress! This what i called EVE-Online.
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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:16:00 -
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you make yourselves into everything negative ever stated about you, and then defend your actions by saying "well yeah we have been doing it all along"
alliance sponsored corp theft is the lowest of the low, congratulations on accomplishing it
Originally by: Pinky Denmark
Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
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schemering
Shibari Mure
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim There is no real "theft" in eve. You can only take what ure given access to.
If I walk into a shop, I have access to all the products. Does that mean I can take them without paying?
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Anonymous Coward
Gallente Panopticon Citadel
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: Karnov Bob have made it clear before. This is war; there is a difference between working towards destroying your enemy and someone robbing a corp for isk/stuff.
Translation: when we do it, it's OK, but when other people do it it's a disgusting underhanded tactic becuase it wasn't in a legitimate "war" we choose to recognize.
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Lord Draco
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:39:00 -
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the ASCN alts are out in full force tonight.
Posting with an obvious alt makes you look even worse.
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:40:00 -
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Question: Why does ASCN want to keep accusing BoB of wrongdoing by doing something EVE has always been designed for?
Answer: It takes away the focus from the real reason why the POS got put offline. Incompetent corporation management.
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SiN x
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: SiN x on 11/12/2006 05:41:25
Originally by: Shardrael you make yourselves into everything negative ever stated about you, and then defend your actions by saying "well yeah we have been doing it all along"
alliance sponsored corp theft is the lowest of the low, congratulations on accomplishing it
We've never done it? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=205035 ---------
What is this programularatering you speak of? - Cortes
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Lag Fest
CAPITAL TRUST FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:59:00 -
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So in short, ASCN dropped the soap again? _______________________________________ |
Brunswick2
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.11 06:00:00 -
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Edited by: Brunswick2 on 11/12/2006 06:03:03 Yadda yadda yadda
Same old, same old
/yawn
And please.... do not feed the trolls ---------------------------------
I traded your sig for a cookie, I did it for the cookie, the cookie - Tirg |
CamMan
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shardrael ... some drivel ... alliance sponsored corp theft is the lowest of the low, congratulations on accomplishing it
sponsored? perhaps you guys should find out what actually happened before throwing around adjectives. Saying it was sponsored implies it cost us something.
I think the powers that be decided that your POS's could be put to better use.
Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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m0jo
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Baun Edited by: Baun on 11/12/2006 02:07:37
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti BOB offlined the towers so they can say they won again.
Is anyone really suprised?
BOB have no class.
Indeed they don't. This has happened a great many times.
Before Metal Dude or some other foaming forum cowboy starts the usual schpiel with me just consider the following:
Resorting to these sorts of tactics undercuts any notion that you will have won solely becuase you are better at any aspect of the game other than being underhanded.
Being underhanded certainly is an aspect of the game and it can be a very important aspect. You have, however, robbed yourself of an even remotely "clean" victory. You can no longer come out of this claiming to have won just because you are a better combination of fighting and logistics.
Winning at all costs is fine but don't conveniently forget what you have done when you look back on this.
Dont you have some RP to do or something?
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levitron
Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.11 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: Jasmine Dupre Bob have used a spy once again to accomplish this all towers were put offline.
Im sorry but that is lame, even though its a tactic that is free to be used.
Sad day :(
/me pictures an axis leader throwing a tantrum > "The allied *****ed and used a spy! :'("
Should be a real lesson to all. Make sure only very trusted peeps have those roles. At least that way you will know who to kill.
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Isis Dea
Minmatar Raging Phoenix Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.12.11 06:30:00 -
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Wow BOB... After all the might and magic, the winnings of the PvP tourny... You guys used spies to do this?!
Oh come on, thats downright lame on so many levels. ___
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IntegralHellsing
Gallente The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.12.11 06:35:00 -
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Edited by: IntegralHellsing on 11/12/2006 06:43:00 Questions to ASCN pilots writing here that BoB used spies to offline the POS. Do you have solid facts that BoB used spies to offline the POS and stole from corp hangar?
IF so, please show them in here and let the people of EVE-O determine what kind of alliance BoB actually is. (I still have not decided on that.)
IF not, please take your 'omg bob spy wtf hax waaaa' stuff out. Writing stuff that cannot be proven just makes you forum idiots.
ps. a private convo log doesn't prove anything, cuz someone can just come up with it. (as in, the person contacts you to hand over false info.)
(OH and I won't be replying to 'STFU you traitor nub who ran when we were fighting' crap, because that isn't no where near truth) ------------------------------
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