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Tappits
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Posted - 2015.07.31 21:54:56 -
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UAxDEATH wrote:Alliances signed petition
- Alexander Leros, leader Hard Alliance
- Fafer, leader Tr0pa de elite., curator Brothers of Tangra
- Frosch Koenig, leader Synergy of Steel
- Garst Tyrell, leader Triumvirate.
- I Sam, leader Solar Fleet
- Lorianna Lee, leader Dream Fleet
- NullParseException, leader Soviet-Union
- titanokiller, leader Infinity Space.
- tru drksniper, leader Advent of Fate
- UAxDEATH, leader Legion of xXDEATHXx
- Unionn, leader The Afterlife.
- Redwyne Vyruk, manager of BOT and manager of XWX Shadow_of_xXDEATHXx
What wars have any of these people done with the new sov system that lets them make informed ideas on how to fix a sov system thatGÇÖs just over two weeks old that will affect every single person in null sec? What has any one done in the new sov system other than get some unused systems attacked? None of these people speak for me.
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Tappits
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Posted - 2015.07.31 23:16:49 -
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Eli Stan wrote:UAxDEATH wrote:Alliances signed petition
- Alexander Leros, leader Hard Alliance
- Fafer, leader Tr0pa de elite., curator Brothers of Tangra
- Frosch Koenig, leader Synergy of Steel
- Garst Tyrell, leader Triumvirate.
- I Sam, leader Solar Fleet
- Lorianna Lee, leader Dream Fleet
- NullParseException, leader Soviet-Union
- titanokiller, leader Infinity Space.
- tru drksniper, leader Advent of Fate
- UAxDEATH, leader Legion of xXDEATHXx
- Unionn, leader The Afterlife.
- Redwyne Vyruk, manager of BOT and manager of XWX Shadow_of_xXDEATHXx
I'd like to propose some questions to the above alliances: What type of systems have you been defending? How many pilots are typically active in them, what do they do in those systems, and how far do they have to travel in order to mount a defense? Why do you want to retain those systems? What type of systems have you been attacking? What made you want to have Sov in those systems? Your goal should be preventing anything from being reinforced in the first place. If you cannot do that, you do not effectively hold Sov of that system and you deserve to lose it, or get burned out trying to win the capture events. You should stop fighting over those systems you can't hold on to. Getting burned out is your punishment for trying to operate in the Dominion Sov paradigm. Interceptors are perfectly suited for effecting Aegis Sov - because the only Sov they can challenge for is unoccupied Sov, and unoccupied Sov isn't sovereignty at all. If you want to hold on to a system but can't be bothered to have pilots in it during its vulnerability window, you don't deserve to hold Sov there. In NPC null, chasing off a lone Interceptor is incredibly easy. We simply undock. They never stay within 25km, the range of a T1 Entosis. If a hostile Interceptor is Entosing your Outpost, undock. Blap them if they stick around, enjoy the view of the stars for a little bit if fly off and ruin their Entosis cycle. If they're after a TCU or I-hub, simply warp a Navy Vex or Caracal or whatever to it. If this happens in an empty system four jumps away from anybody, you shouldn't have Sov there and it's your own fault you're burning yourself out. You need to adapt. That burnout is Aegis Sov working as intended. And if that Interceptor is bait for a 100-pilot T3 gang on the other side of a wormhole - there's your large fleet fight you're looking for. I do agree that there should be a sort of passive regen of defense index, so that simply going after hostile ships without bothering with your own Entosis ships is a valid defense tactic. That way defenders can put all their pilots into mobile offensive ships if they so desire. This passive regen should not happen if there is even a single node being Entosed by an attacker, so that it does not extend the time of an active attack effort.
Yep... We are still cleaning up after domi sovGǪ thousands of unused systems all over eve that had sov the day fozisov kicked in that needs purging of sov as thereGÇÖs no other way of doing it now. People are trying to defend these unused systems for some random resign.. There are no real wars going on. No one is actively trying to take over some one elseGÇÖs space so they can live there. All thatGÇÖs going on at the moment is a clean-up of dead systems and trolling to try and make people fight.
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Tappits
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.07.31 23:20:14 -
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Fafer wrote: and its been on Duality, where some of the people mentioned won the sov competition
We won by dropping titans on everyone making 70% of the people doing it quit in the 1st week and then NAPing the other 30%
Not one single alliance in this game has any really proof of anything other than wield speculation on what might happen, as not one single active alliance has done anything of note with the new system to come up with any sort of evidence showing anythingGǪ when a few alliances have had a few wars and real fights over systems then maybe we can start coming up with what the problems areGǪ the only problems any one knows about so far is everyone hates 4k/s+ entotsis Interceptors and itGÇÖs a point in the ass to do the nodes in systems you donGÇÖt even live in. thatGÇÖs it thatGÇÖs all any one really knows as thatGÇÖs as far as any one has really got with the systemGǪ no one has tried to actively take anything people use from any one yet.
UAxDEATH wrote:Solution: reduction of beacons (nodes) , to about 1-3 per system, which are located next to a contested structure.
The whole point of the changes was to stop someone dropping 1000 people into one system or in to very few grids and try to fight. The point was to make every one split up hence nodes all over and you needing 10 of them to win so you cannot just sit 500 people on one grid and 500 on another and win. Just having 1-3 nodes that you have to get is just going back to slowcat fleet on node 1 all supers sat on node 2 and all your blues sat on node 3 and never having to move or do anything Yes having 10 nodes you have to defend is hard if you live 10jumps away but itGÇÖs not hard if you live in the constellation and were able to stop them RFing your stuff in your own prime time before it even gets to the nodes. Most of the time even if they do entosis your stuff there is no real rush to do the nodes if the attackers donGÇÖt come back.. you can just continue using the systems and slowly do a few nodes per hour on alts.
Also CCP donGÇÖt like the big fights as it kills there servers |
Tappits
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Posted - 2015.07.31 23:56:54 -
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tekmin wrote:UAxDEATH wrote:Introduction Problem: structure that exits reinforce timer, doesnGÇÖt regenerate back, which in the old game mechanics served as a defensive mechanism against sov trolling. Attacked systems spam node beacons, which can last forever, which is discrimination against sovereignty owners - they must defend their space despite the fact that no one will show up to contest it.Solution: a new type of status - defended. If the nodes are not being captured by any attackers during contested campaign for a period of time dependent of defence index, then structures change from contested to defended. see bold. no1 shows up to defend but you want to keep it? if no1 shows up to defend it means you dont want it bad enough...
And if a whole alliance cannot muster up 5 alts in there semi prime time to afk 2 nodes each at 12mins per node (i.e 24mins per afk alt) they don't deserve sov. |
Tappits
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Posted - 2015.08.01 00:20:40 -
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Kalen Pavle wrote:The fundamental problem of fozziesov is as follows:
It's not fun. It's not fun to attack a 1x system. It's not fun to attack a 6x system. It's not fun to defend any system.
This is a game. It should be fun. Instead I spend my time doing sov related stuff playing other games. Do you really want a game where the primary nullsec experience is alt-tabbing and playing another game?
that will not happen if you stop attacking empty space.
even a 6x system is now quicker to take than in domi sov... its just your trying to use domi sov tactics and ships to do it. |
Tappits
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Posted - 2015.08.01 00:47:43 -
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Kalen Pavle wrote: Except we're not. Orbiting nodes on alts is not fun. Orbiting them on mains is less fun. It's only quicker when you consider the additional timer. Actual time commitments are immensely longer than in dominion sov.
I would ask how many systems are you taking to live in? tri has 1400 people in 22 corps. so how much space do you need? if you are taking more than you need i would have to ask why? the whole sov system is designed to make it a bit easier to carve out your own home.. but much much harder to take and hold more than you need so why are you trying to take more than you could possibly need even if you were 2x the size? |
Tappits
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Posted - 2015.08.01 00:56:48 -
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Kalen Pavle wrote:Tappits wrote:Kalen Pavle wrote: Except we're not. Orbiting nodes on alts is not fun. Orbiting them on mains is less fun. It's only quicker when you consider the additional timer. Actual time commitments are immensely longer than in dominion sov.
I would ask how many systems are you taking to live in? tri has 1400 people in 22 corps. so how much space do you need? if you are taking more than you need i would have to ask why? the whole sov system is designed to make it a bit easier to carve out your own home.. but much much harder to take and hold more than you need so why are you trying to take more than you could possibly need even if you were 2x the size? It's not about the sovereignty, or holding the sov, it's about getting people to fight. As it is now, the most effective way to get your opponent to go away is not to fight them, it's to force them to afk on nodes with alts while the rest of the fleet says '**** this, i'm going back to [insert staging system here].' Defense now is about stationary objects in space, which don't shoot back, which use boredom as their primary tool of dissuading the enemy from engaging.
So your way of getting people to fight is to create so many timers (that you hate making) that there are for sure not going to bother fighting? |
Tappits
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Posted - 2015.08.01 01:17:05 -
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Kalen Pavle wrote:[forced
Realty....
Did they come over to your house put a gun to your head and say entosis 600 things all night?
or did you at the time (before the 1st entosis cycle) think it would be super funny to troll entosis all there space in one go? |
Tappits
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.08.03 09:57:56 -
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So yesterday someone tried to entosis a PL TCU in a 1x system. I was able to burn to the system in a inti get on grid to see itGÇÖs a 4k/s vaga 200km off.. I burn at him and he burns awayGǪ he then left and never came back. Someone un-entisised the tcu and we went home.
Op success, thatGÇÖs how you defend in fozzie sov boys and girls.
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Tappits
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.08.03 10:31:19 -
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Nituspar wrote:Tappits wrote:So yesterday someone tried to entosis a PL TCU in a 1x system. I was able to burn to the system in a inti get on grid to see itGÇÖs a 4k/s vaga 200km off.. I burn at him and he burns awayGǪ he then left and never came back. Someone un-entisised the tcu and we went home.
Op success, thatGÇÖs how you defend in fozzie sov boys and girls.
Now if you could just repeat this 50-1000 times, and write the next post accurately describing the amount of fun you had doing this from op 35 onwards. I think we'd all be a bit more enlightened on why a system that seems to promote sovlasering structures without any conflict being necessary, or fights occurring possibly being a bit flawed. Bonus points for alarmclocking for a chase or two, since most reinforces will usually be done at the worst possible timezone for you the second you let your indexes slip.
Or we could just let the guy entosis it and then never bother going to the system because the lone guy will never come back to do 2-3h of work on something in a system no one cares about all while us not loosing the benefit of the sov in the 1st place.
Yep yep i think we will do that. I was just pointing out its super easy to get to a system and stop some one entosising and if some one was actively ratting or mining in there it would be even easier. |
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Tappits
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Posted - 2015.08.16 19:58:53 -
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I hope you all quit eve.
No one cares about us lets go spam Jita that will make people rally to our course |
Tappits
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.08.16 20:08:00 -
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But your a bot... you don't get to +1 we made you and we can watch you all die. |
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