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Jenna Tekitsu
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.25 21:39:07 -
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So the ore capacity isn't that much difference for such an investment. My retriever has an ore hold of 27,500 at the moment, and according to the attributes of the info page of the mackinaw, it has 28,000. I'm sure I can boost it up a bit, but what is so good about the Mackinaw? I would love the Hulk, but I don't have a barge to haul all the jettisoned materials back home. Unless I'm missing something, could someone let me know if it is technically worth it to upgrade, or just save up in the Retriever and buy another pvp type ship.
P.S. I just recently returned after a year or so break and am a little rusty on the changes/attributes of the ships. Thank you, and sorry if this is a noob question.
Edit: I want to work my way up to an Orca or Charon, so would I acquire the currency faster with saving what I have and continue with a Retriever or spend 200 mil to get a Mackinaw. How big is the yield difference? |
Hengle Teron
Explosions Delivered with Love
54314
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Posted - 2015.06.25 21:43:15 -
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28k + 25% = 35k
That and with max skill a 10% cycle time reduction for harvesters. So 11% more stuff mined in same time. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
22092
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Posted - 2015.06.25 22:14:14 -
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Go for the Mackinaw. Anything that costs 160mil more is always better. For me, for you, for the guy who sells it to you, everyone wins!
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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John E Normus
The Conference Elite CODE.
571
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Posted - 2015.06.25 22:16:09 -
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Mackinaws are OP bro, get one ASAP!
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
243
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Posted - 2015.06.25 22:22:40 -
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Jenna Tekitsu wrote:So the ore capacity isn't that much difference for such an investment. My retriever has an ore hold of 27,500 at the moment, and according to the attributes of the info page of the mackinaw, it has 28,000. I'm sure I can boost it up a bit, but what is so good about the Mackinaw? I would love the Hulk, but I don't have a barge to haul all the jettisoned materials back home. Unless I'm missing something, could someone let me know if it is technically worth it to upgrade, or just save up in the Retriever and buy another pvp type ship.
P.S. I just recently returned after a year or so break and am a little rusty on the changes/attributes of the ships. Thank you, and sorry if this is a noob question.
Edit: I want to work my way up to an Orca or Charon, so would I acquire the currency faster with saving what I have and continue with a Retriever or spend 200 mil to get a Mackinaw. How big is the yield difference?
The retriever is much more likely to be a gank magnet since you really have to pretty much give up its mining capabilities to make it even sorta gank resistant.
And you'll find you love the better fitting capability of the Mackinaw, the retriever has for a long time needed a bit more lenience in its fitting profile.
Also, unless you are going to be a perfect ORCA pilot and boost a regularly organized mining fleet the CHARON is a far superior option to the ORCA (ive used both and the orca seems cool till you start flying it realize that it really only shines as a fleet assistance ship).
I had an orca for a couple months before i sold it, ive had my Charon for about 2 years and use it almost every single day.
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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Paranoid Loyd
5995
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Posted - 2015.06.25 22:31:40 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:The retriever is much more likely to be a gank magnet Confirming if I had my choice between ganking a 40 mil isk barge and a 200 mil isk barge I would choose the cheaper one.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Marsha Mallow
2270
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Posted - 2015.06.25 22:43:47 -
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What they are trying to tell you, in trollspeak, is to buy the most cost efficient tanky ship. Even if it means losing a small amount of cargo, a well tanked t1 ship makes you less of a target for gankers and if it dies it's not excruciating to replace.
You might find the NC forums more helpful, returning players are welcome there too. If you want this topic moved, click the flag symbol next to the time in the top line of your post [Report] and when the reason popup box comes up request the topic is moved there. Mods might move it anyway.
Welcome back btw
Solecist Project wrote: See, the issue isn't the rubbing
ISD Ezwal wrote: Nope, no one will get banned for 'rubbing'
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13509
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Posted - 2015.06.25 22:46:59 -
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It absolutely is worth it to buy a Mackinaw, and make sure you fill the lowslots with cargo expanders too.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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ashley Eoner
481
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Posted - 2015.06.25 23:21:02 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:The retriever is much more likely to be a gank magnet Confirming if I had my choice between ganking a 40 mil isk barge and a 200 mil isk barge I would choose the cheaper one. Yeah that was my first though too.
A retriever can be tanked to survive against one catalyst in .5 space with merely an adaptive mid, cheap t1 tank rigs, and a DCU in the low leaving 2 spots for mining laser upgrades. |
Jenna Tekitsu
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.06.25 23:33:58 -
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Thank you all so much for the help haha, this is why I love Eve - Fantastic and committed community!. Thank you all, and very much appreciate your help! |
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13512
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Posted - 2015.06.26 00:04:56 -
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Jenna Tekitsu wrote:Thank you all so much for the help haha, this is why I love Eve - Fantastic and committed community!. Thank you all, and very much appreciate your help!
No problem. Make sure you pick up a mining permit from an authorized New Order agent. For only 10 million isk, you will be granted the dispensation to mine in highsec for an entire calendar year. That's a bargain, if you ask me.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
224
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Posted - 2015.06.26 00:17:09 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jenna Tekitsu wrote:Thank you all so much for the help haha, this is why I love Eve - Fantastic and committed community!. Thank you all, and very much appreciate your help! No problem. Make sure you pick up a mining permit from an authorized New Order agent. For only 10 million isk, you will be granted the dispensation to mine in highsec for an entire calendar year. That's a bargain, if you ask me.
Best damn 10m I have ever spent...
...and I don't even mine!!
New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.
Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13512
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Posted - 2015.06.26 00:20:25 -
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Freya Sertan wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jenna Tekitsu wrote:Thank you all so much for the help haha, this is why I love Eve - Fantastic and committed community!. Thank you all, and very much appreciate your help! No problem. Make sure you pick up a mining permit from an authorized New Order agent. For only 10 million isk, you will be granted the dispensation to mine in highsec for an entire calendar year. That's a bargain, if you ask me. Best damn 10m I have ever spent... ... and I don't even mine!!
That's the best part about permits, actually. While ostensibly just for miners, they have a myriad of applications in both the hauling and mission running fields. It's the gift that keeps on giving.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
224
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Posted - 2015.06.26 00:21:18 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jenna Tekitsu wrote:Thank you all so much for the help haha, this is why I love Eve - Fantastic and committed community!. Thank you all, and very much appreciate your help! No problem. Make sure you pick up a mining permit from an authorized New Order agent. For only 10 million isk, you will be granted the dispensation to mine in highsec for an entire calendar year. That's a bargain, if you ask me. Best damn 10m I have ever spent... ... and I don't even mine!! That's the best part about permits, actually. While ostensibly just for miners, they have a myriad of applications in both the hauling and mission running fields. It's the gift that keeps on giving.
Truly.
New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.
Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
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Wendrika Hydreiga
400
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Posted - 2015.06.26 01:02:31 -
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If you can fly an Exhumer, then you should always pick the superior choice!
Which is the Skiff! Ore hold and yield are overrated anyways. |
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
176
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Posted - 2015.06.26 01:28:19 -
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John E Normus wrote:Mackinaws are OP bro, get one ASAP!
CODE. - Helping people in to and out of Mackinaws.
Serious answer is... what will you do if (or when) it gets popped?
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Svenja Timofeyeva
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2015.06.26 01:49:49 -
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Are you planning on playing afk? If not send me mail. No need wasting time with mack. |
Pixie Tickle
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
126
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Posted - 2015.06.26 01:49:49 -
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Are you planning on playing afk? If not send me mail. No need wasting time with mack. |
ashley Eoner
481
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Posted - 2015.06.26 01:56:07 -
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Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:If you can fly an Exhumer, then you should always pick the superior choice!
Which is the Skiff! Ore hold and yield are overrated anyways. Last I knew the skiff had barely better yield over a mack excluding oops I mined 500 ore from that last cycle cause the roid was almost dead. |
Damnskippy
Mad Bombers Hashashin Cartel
48
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Posted - 2015.06.26 02:14:18 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:If you can fly an Exhumer, then you should always pick the superior choice!
Which is the Skiff! Ore hold and yield are overrated anyways. Last I knew the skiff had barely better yield over a mack excluding oops I mined 500 ore from that last cycle cause the roid was almost dead.
Where the skiff shines is the fact it's annoyingly difficult to suicide gank. A tanked skiff will usually be ignored in preference of an easier target. If you're always at the keyboard and taking necessary steps to avoid getting popped, the mack is a better choice. The question is; are you prepared to bet 200 mil that you will be able to outplay a suicide gank squad when the time comes? |
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
273
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Posted - 2015.06.26 05:04:06 -
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Shovel vs. Excavator |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1233
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Posted - 2015.06.26 07:04:51 -
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Op, just remember to only fly what you can afford to lose.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Tyler Startide
Furor Teutonicus Lux Aetherna
0
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Posted - 2015.06.26 07:44:49 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Op, just remember to only fly what you can afford to lose.
A helpful and serious advice from a CODE member? |
ashley Eoner
481
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Posted - 2015.06.26 08:45:21 -
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Damnskippy wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:If you can fly an Exhumer, then you should always pick the superior choice!
Which is the Skiff! Ore hold and yield are overrated anyways. Last I knew the skiff had barely better yield over a mack excluding oops I mined 500 ore from that last cycle cause the roid was almost dead. Where the skiff shines is the fact it's annoyingly difficult to suicide gank. A tanked skiff will usually be ignored in preference of an easier target. If you're always at the keyboard and taking necessary steps to avoid getting popped, the mack is a better choice. The question is; are you prepared to bet 200 mil that you will be able to outplay a suicide gank squad when the time comes? Security status of the system really comes into play at this point. A well tanked mack can have +60k ehp vs void. That would survive quite a bit more in a .8 then it would in a .5. |
Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
62
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Posted - 2015.06.26 10:21:59 -
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Whatever is your choice, don't forget the Higgs Anchor rig, and mine while at least 3/4 of your max speed all the time aligned to a bookmark (previously made with a fast frigate) or celestials around your favorite belts. And if you choose the Mack (best ship evuur :D) don't even dare undocking her without a damage control unit and thermal+kin shield resistances. Depending on your skils and if you have a cpu implant, you can fit 2 MLU with that.
A survey scanner tweak and new mining methods: interactive mining
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3716
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Posted - 2015.06.26 13:42:02 -
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Whatever you fly, bear this table in mind.
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
158
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Posted - 2015.06.26 13:55:07 -
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Damnskippy wrote:Where the skiff shines is the fact it's annoyingly difficult to suicide gank. A tanked skiff will usually be ignored in preference of an easier target. If you're always at the keyboard and taking necessary steps to avoid getting popped, the mack is a better choice. The question is; are you prepared to bet 200 mil that you will be able to outplay a suicide gank squad when the time comes?
Or, you simply join a null corp and mine in 100% safety in the blue doughnut. Null is infinitely safer than HS for mining/industry. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
1187
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Posted - 2015.06.26 14:04:27 -
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Always keep an eye in local and always fly a flight of EC-300 ECM Drones.
CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
428
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Posted - 2015.06.27 10:34:26 -
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Jenna Tekitsu wrote:So the ore capacity isn't that much difference for such an investment. My retriever has an ore hold of 27,500 at the moment, and according to the attributes of the info page of the mackinaw, it has 28,000. I'm sure I can boost it up a bit, but what is so good about the Mackinaw? I would love the Hulk, but I don't have a barge to haul all the jettisoned materials back home. Unless I'm missing something, could someone let me know if it is technically worth it to upgrade, or just save up in the Retriever and buy another pvp type ship.
P.S. I just recently returned after a year or so break and am a little rusty on the changes/attributes of the ships. Thank you, and sorry if this is a noob question.
Edit: I want to work my way up to an Orca or Charon, so would I acquire the currency faster with saving what I have and continue with a Retriever or spend 200 mil to get a Mackinaw. How big is the yield difference?
Buy a Mining permit first. Only 10 mil for a whole year of undisturbed mackinaw mining. I have them on offer with a 10% discount; evemail me.
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Svenja Timofeyeva
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
132
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Posted - 2015.06.27 10:37:27 -
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Max yield covetor with hauler all the way. lol afk players with low yield. |
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