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Hippinse
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.19 04:14:17 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lol, wow. He was NOT prepared for that interview.
It all keeps coming back to bombers, no matter how much they deny it, huh? I said it in the official thread, and I'll say it here.
If you want to nerf bombers, then nerf bombers, don't screw up a bunch of other things in the process.
I'm leaning towards misdirection. WHs seem to be the real nerf target. |
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
226
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Posted - 2015.06.19 04:20:14 -
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As a small-gang PvP participant, I see this negatively impacting our ability to get fights. We use punting to get on to hostiles. Sometimes its our FC, sometimes it's somebody else in a T3D we put into a squad/wing command position. We can't send just a single covops, SB, T3 or T3D to the combat scan result; they'd surely die, and/or the hostiles would be forwarned enough to move out of tackle range, before the rest of the fleet could land. I guess we could use a cloaky scanner who warps to the scan result at range, then wait ten minutes for it to slowboat to the opposite side of the target so we could warp the fleet to the cloaky at range, twiddling our thumbs, hoping the hostiles don't notice us and dock up.
Of course, the other small gangs we encounter wouldn't be able to use punting against us.
So if the goal is to reduce PvP combat in EVE, I guess this is a good way to go about it.
(Maybe a tanked-to-the-gills Hecate with a couple scrams could do the trick though, of scanning down and landing in a hostile fleet, and be able to survive long enough to do it again.) |
ashley Eoner
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Posted - 2015.06.19 04:28:34 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lol, wow. He was NOT prepared for that interview.
It all keeps coming back to bombers, no matter how much they deny it, huh? I said it in the official thread, and I'll say it here.
If you want to nerf bombers, then nerf bombers, don't screw up a bunch of other things in the process. They've been screwing things up for a while in an attempt to nerf bombers without actually nerfing them. At some point the collateral damage has to be worse then the results of a bomber nerf.
Wow I didn't realize they wanted to get rid of orbit too. THis game isn't star citizen and it shouldn't be trying to be. I play this game AND star citizen because I like the different playstyles. If eve tries to move towards star citizen then I'm completely moving to star citizen. No sense playing a half ass attempt at the same gameplay... |
Starbuck05
Pretty Hate Machine.
260
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Posted - 2015.06.19 06:12:38 -
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We are doomed if this keeps up...
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6310
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Posted - 2015.06.19 07:10:52 -
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This is hardly a surprise, it's not the first time it's been done even for bombers, and it's arguably the fault of all yo guys who complained about the bomber nerf last year. To quote me from the ISBoxer thread:
Lucas Kell wrote:let's face it, this time round it's because bomber fleets are massively overpowered, but when they tried to nerf those the whining began about how it's isboxers fault, not bombers. Now isboxer will still be able to be used for bombers (fleet warp + round robin keybind), and they are *more* overpowered than they were before because they are getting the buff that was to go along with their nerf.
They wanted to nerf bombers, people cried and it got cancelled, so they tried to passively nerf them by attacking how they are controlled. That didn't work so now they are going after the next way the are controlled. Undoubtedly this will hurt other users of fleet warp far more than bombers and bombers will figure out new ways of working (it's a lot easier for them as they have less players and roles to worry about) and we'll be back to having a half-assed change which doesn't fulfill it's goal. And why? Because they are too scared to address the actual problem which is bomber mechanics, because people will be up in arms again over it.
Personally I couldn't care less because I use fleet warp so very little. It's going to be funny watching the fireworks though.
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Ima GoodGirl
Black Ballers
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Posted - 2015.06.19 07:18:08 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:...arguably the fault of all yo guys who complained about the bomber nerf last year. Who's all yo guys?
If you mean, CSM sure. Otherwise, just blowing smoke up your own self importance. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6310
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Posted - 2015.06.19 07:45:14 -
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Ima GoodGirl wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:...arguably the fault of all yo guys who complained about the bomber nerf last year. Who's all yo guys? CSM? Otherwise, just blowing smoke up your own self importance. *You guys. As in the one's that went into enormous threadnaughts over how unfair it was that they dare to reduce the effectiveness of bombers.
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Leeluvv
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2015.06.19 08:23:37 -
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Transcript link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e1GmKyPWRx_LqBLZRiRhzr0ySta7j6CErJFkEVZpaEw/edit?pli=1 |
Captain Awkward
Republic University Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2015.06.19 08:32:27 -
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1. Makes a thread about intended Fleet warp changes and ask community for feedback.
2. Gets massive consistent negative feedback on how its done with many good proposuals on how to get the intented effekt without screwing up the game.
3. Wants to do the changes anyway.
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C'mon CCP. You can do better then that. |
Cyborg Girl86
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2015.06.19 09:32:33 -
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I seriously hope they don't get rid of orbiting and keep at range. It's how people like me, who use those commands to keep a fleet of alts being controlled by one person, manage to keep their ships in a tightly packed formation.
Controlling multiple ships if these things are removed would be next to impossible. Alts would become more of a hassle then a benefit for solo players trying to control their own personal fleet. |
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George Gouillot
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
60
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Posted - 2015.06.19 09:39:25 -
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Captain Awkward wrote:1. Makes a thread about intended Fleet warp changes and ask community for feedback.
2. Gets massive consistent negative feedback on how its done with many good proposuals on how to get the intented effekt without screwing up the game.
3. Wants to do the changes anyway.
....
C'mon CCP. You can do better then that.
I doubt they do |
Commander Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1467
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Posted - 2015.06.19 10:54:48 -
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To be fair, I felt like this the day CCP nerfed my "bookmark that missile!!! Ok, everyone follow my warp" landing on the enemy without a single probe launched style.
You remember those good old days right?
No?
What a bunch of wussies you've turned into.
Whatever happened to the creative process of working around things?
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Leeluvv
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2015.06.19 12:10:42 -
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Commander Spurty wrote:To be fair, I felt like this the day CCP nerfed my "bookmark that missile!!! Ok, everyone follow my warp" landing on the enemy without a single probe launched style.
You remember those good old days right?
No?
What a bunch of wussies you've turned into.
Whatever happened to the creative process of working around things?
Because removing bookmarking missiles didn't break missile launcher ROF. This 'fix' breaks other parts of the game, THAT IS THE PROBLEM. |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
462
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:10:37 -
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Captain Awkward wrote:1. Makes a thread about intended Fleet warp changes and ask community for feedback.
2. Gets massive consistent negative feedback on how its done with many good proposuals on how to get the intented effekt without screwing up the game.
3. Wants to do the changes anyway.
....
C'mon CCP. You can do better then that. Uhm - no, they can't. Have you looked at your overview lately? |
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