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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2250
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Posted - 2015.03.25 04:07:01 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Veers Belvar wrote: New/Casual players wanting to form a laid back highsec PvE corp without getting griefed into oblivion does not make them part of some tiny 1%...it's not even a good strawman argument.
Show us on the strawman where the 1% touched you. Nevermind. We know. Another typical contribution to the high level of discourse on the eve forums - keep up the good work. I try, but it grows increasingly difficult to keep up with the horrid mess that spews forth from your keyboard. I can only do so much to keep up. Stop trying to kill my game. No one is killing your game. Stop with the hysterical reactions...even if somehow all nonconsensual PvP was removed from highsec (which no one is contemplating) you would still be more than welcome to go shoot people in nullsec.
What about lowsec and jspace? Can I shoot them there too, or is PvP just allowed in nullsec?
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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Zepher Helen Hawat
ULTRAMAR SECURITIES
45
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Posted - 2015.03.25 04:10:06 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
No one is killing your game. Stop with the hysterical reactions...even if somehow all nonconsensual PvP was removed from highsec (which no one is contemplating) you would still be more than welcome to go shoot people in nullsec.
No.
In a spaceship PVP game, we should be allowed to shoot spaceships where ever we want. This delusion that High-Sec is to be 100% safe is just silly, and moronic. You want safe, go play another game.
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Mobadder Thworst
Covert Operations The Volition Cult
132
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Posted - 2015.03.25 04:17:14 -
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Can someone link the actual presentation.
I would love to know if CCP is actually considering change.
I heard they were going to give sec status improvements for killing noobs under 2 weeks old... But that's not official yet.
Leto, hah.
Mo |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
558
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Posted - 2015.03.25 04:48:00 -
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Zepher Helen Hawat wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
No one is killing your game. Stop with the hysterical reactions...even if somehow all nonconsensual PvP was removed from highsec (which no one is contemplating) you would still be more than welcome to go shoot people in nullsec.
No. In a spaceship PVP game, we should be allowed to shoot spaceships where ever we want. This delusion that High-Sec is to be 100% safe is just silly, and moronic. You want safe, go play another game.
Go shoot up the newbie systems and let CCP know your opinions of the matter. Highsec is designed to be lawful, and nonconsensual PvP is a criminal act there. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1431
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Posted - 2015.03.25 05:07:01 -
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Citing the one place where pvp is not okay does not validate your opinions regarding the rest of the region.
That's just squirrely nonsense.
Some forms of nonconsensual PvP are criminal acts there. The other forms you personally are opposed to. If you had your way high sec would be nothing but duels and arenas for pvp and everyone else could happily mine up their iron ore or hunt boars in the forest unmolested.
I keep a thoughtgun next to the bed, fully loaded with nerdshot. Just in case.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23352
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Posted - 2015.03.25 05:49:34 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Zepher Helen Hawat wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
No one is killing your game. Stop with the hysterical reactions...even if somehow all nonconsensual PvP was removed from highsec (which no one is contemplating) you would still be more than welcome to go shoot people in nullsec.
No. In a spaceship PVP game, we should be allowed to shoot spaceships where ever we want. This delusion that High-Sec is to be 100% safe is just silly, and moronic. You want safe, go play another game. Go shoot up the newbie systems and let CCP know your opinions of the matter. The rules for PvP in a newbie system are very specific, they don't mean that you can't shoot up a newbie system.
Quote:Highsec is designed to be lawful, and nonconsensual PvP is a criminal act there. Nope, highsec is designed to be a PvP, of all kinds, area that has different mechanics than those of other space. One of those mechanics is a 100% effective reactive NPC force that punishes unsanctioned aggression.
Non consensual PvP isn't the crime, not paying Concord off is. Concord is basically an extortion racket that sells hunting permits and shoots poachers.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Faylee Freir
Defining Harassment Slaver's Union
68
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Posted - 2015.03.25 05:50:21 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Citing the one place where pvp is not okay does not validate your opinions regarding the rest of the region.
That's just squirrely nonsense.
Some forms of nonconsensual PvP are criminal acts there. The other forms you personally are opposed to. If you had your way high sec would be nothing but duels and arenas for pvp and everyone else could happily mine up their iron ore or hunt boars in the forest unmolested.
You mean to say you would actually want to harm those innocent boars?
I think both sides of the fence tend to get radical here. No one can deny that the new player experience is incredibly important, and something that CCP must get right. I am not entirely sure how valid these statistics are, or how in-depth CCP went to filter their results... What I can say is the eve online was created in 2003 to be a sandbox where players could interact with each other in was that would have you banned in other games. Just because someone comes along and doesn't like what eve has been about since 2003 doesn't mean that CCP needs to listen. We all knew what we were joining when we created our accounts, and I would have a hard time believing otherwise. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1431
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Posted - 2015.03.25 06:03:15 -
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"You mean to say you would actually want to harm those innocent boars?"
The acquisition of bacon is of the utmost importance. While I personally don't engage in much player vs boar action, it is necessary that some do in order for the supply to remain steady.
I keep a thoughtgun next to the bed, fully loaded with nerdshot. Just in case.
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Faylee Freir
Defining Harassment Slaver's Union
69
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Posted - 2015.03.25 06:04:47 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:"You mean to say you would actually want to harm those innocent boars?"
The acquisition of bacon is of the utmost importance. While I personally don't engage in much player vs boar action, it is necessary that some do in order for the supply to remain steady. Bacon, CSM XI! |
Anal Canal
The Conference Elite CODE.
954
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Posted - 2015.03.25 06:48:59 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Fanfest 2015 was awesome and I'll be going to Fanfest 2016 to join the fun. Looking at all the twitch streams I noticed one nice presentation by CCP Rise. Have a look at these 4 slides from this presentation : One, two, three and four. CCP Rise says : People who die play longer (Talking about new players in Eve) Since Marmites is one of the alliances who probably kills most of the players in high-sec (like RvB, Eve Uni, Forsaken Asylum, etc), should CCP be hiring us ? it will keep more newbro's in the game. Tora The Marmite Collective aka CCP's Isk Sink aka CCP Keep Newbro's in Game.
A couple of contests have been held regarding this...
Keep up the good work you!
Speaking of which, update.
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.
The terminal end of the digestive system.
The Best CSM Candidate
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CODE Agent AC
The Conference Elite CODE.
954
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Posted - 2015.03.25 06:48:59 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Fanfest 2015 was awesome and I'll be going to Fanfest 2016 to join the fun. Looking at all the twitch streams I noticed one nice presentation by CCP Rise. Have a look at these 4 slides from this presentation : One, two, three and four. CCP Rise says : People who die play longer (Talking about new players in Eve) Since Marmites is one of the alliances who probably kills most of the players in high-sec (like RvB, Eve Uni, Forsaken Asylum, etc), should CCP be hiring us ? it will keep more newbro's in the game. Tora The Marmite Collective aka CCP's Isk Sink aka CCP Keep Newbro's in Game.
A couple of contests have been held regarding this...
Keep up the good work you!
Speaking of which, update.
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.
The terminal end of the digestive system.
The Best CSM Candidate
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Noragen Neirfallas
Pwn 'N Play Nulli Secunda
39
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Posted - 2015.03.25 08:59:52 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Lorelei Ierendi wrote:Just wanting to sit in High Sec does not make you a coward. There are lots of fun things to do there.
Give two examples, please. Ganking people. White knighting gankers. War decs between evenly matched corps. Being the underdog in high sec wars (got a thing for being the underdog). Ninjaing. Baiting ninjas into using and losing shinies. Growing a corp from the ground up. Destroying rival corps through various nefarious activities. Ratting. NO WAIT... scratch the last one
Very entertaining
Much content
So Eve
Such Blogging
http://eve12monthchallenge.blogspot.com.au/
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Noragen Neirfallas
Pwn 'N Play Nulli Secunda
40
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Posted - 2015.03.25 09:30:15 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Zepher Helen Hawat wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
No one is killing your game. Stop with the hysterical reactions...even if somehow all nonconsensual PvP was removed from highsec (which no one is contemplating) you would still be more than welcome to go shoot people in nullsec.
No. In a spaceship PVP game, we should be allowed to shoot spaceships where ever we want. This delusion that High-Sec is to be 100% safe is just silly, and moronic. You want safe, go play another game. Go shoot up the newbie systems and let CCP know your opinions of the matter. Highsec is designed to be lawful, and nonconsensual PvP is a criminal act there. Yes ganking is a criminal act and sine they neglected to bribe concord they are dealt with by that entity. What's your point? However if you pay off concord like a good law abiding citizen then the non consensual PvP is legal not criminal. Your statement is wrong
Very entertaining
Much content
So Eve
Such Blogging
http://eve12monthchallenge.blogspot.com.au/
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Noragen Neirfallas
Pwn 'N Play Nulli Secunda
43
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Posted - 2015.03.25 09:36:04 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:"You mean to say you would actually want to harm those innocent boars?"
The acquisition of bacon is of the utmost importance. While I personally don't engage in much player vs boar action, it is necessary that some do in order for the supply to remain steady. I concur. As with spice, 'the bacon must flow'
Very entertaining
Much content
So Eve
Such Blogging
http://eve12monthchallenge.blogspot.com.au/
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Fybs
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
330
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Posted - 2015.03.25 10:03:52 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Lorelei Ierendi wrote:Just wanting to sit in High Sec does not make you a coward. There are lots of fun things to do there.
Give two examples, please.
1) Being a High Sec Merc.
2) Being a High Sec Merc in my Corp.
Don't confuse kindness with weakness.
Beware the hand of Fybs.
Corp Advert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Je8JdIi8g&feature=youtu.be
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
744
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Posted - 2015.03.25 11:41:58 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: No Veers just doesn't buy into your delusional rhetoric that chasing people into npc corps and making highsec socially isolated and boring is somehow good for the game. Good for some lame giggles - sure...good for actually fostering multiplayer play? No way, Jose. But as a smart man once said "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."
what quote best approximates "this idiot isn't going to accept he has been wrong for years merely because the data unambiguiously proves it, because he is literally not smart enough to realize it's all over" |
Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1189
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Posted - 2015.03.25 11:49:46 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote: what quote best approximates "this idiot isn't going to accept he has been wrong for years merely because the data unambiguiously proves it, because he is literally not smart enough to realize it's all over"
This one, spot on:
EvilweaselFinance wrote: this idiot isn't going to accept he has been wrong for years merely because the data unambiguiously proves it, because he is literally not smart enough to realize it's all over
D.
STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
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Zepher Helen Hawat
ULTRAMAR SECURITIES
45
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Posted - 2015.03.25 11:52:25 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Zepher Helen Hawat wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
No one is killing your game. Stop with the hysterical reactions...even if somehow all nonconsensual PvP was removed from highsec (which no one is contemplating) you would still be more than welcome to go shoot people in nullsec.
No. In a spaceship PVP game, we should be allowed to shoot spaceships where ever we want. This delusion that High-Sec is to be 100% safe is just silly, and moronic. You want safe, go play another game. Go shoot up the newbie systems and let CCP know your opinions of the matter. Highsec is designed to be lawful, and nonconsensual PvP is a criminal act there.
Rookie systems are off limits for a reason, and I think no one dis agrees with that. The rest of Hi-sec though is fair game. There are enough factors in place which make it difficult enough as it is for PVP there. No need to take it away completely just because of a few whiners that can't handle lose.
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1212
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Posted - 2015.03.25 11:55:57 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:more sex...ok, no sex......., lies, and video footage
You're still here?
Does CCP need to get a restraining order against you or something?
There are laws against online stalkers, even in Iceland.
Don't forget to biomass when you unsub, and remember, I get all your stuff.
Toodles.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Pwn 'N Play Nulli Secunda
45
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Posted - 2015.03.25 12:12:56 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:more sex...ok, no sex......., lies, and video footage You're still here? Does CCP need to get a restraining order against you or something? There are laws against online stalkers, even in Iceland. Don't forget to biomass when you unsub, and remember, I get all your stuff. Toodles. NO. Veers unsubbing would be a blow to us all. All this opposition to him has galvanized him to continue on in spite of us. Don't you see veers is our proven case study that player harassment/involvement=retention
Very entertaining
Much content
So Eve
Such Blogging
http://eve12monthchallenge.blogspot.com.au/
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Piz Caldera
Saubaer Schweinepriester
27
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Posted - 2015.03.25 12:27:01 -
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Tora Bushido wrote: should CCP be hiring us ?
Agent Tora, you and Marmites help to make Eve a better place, thanks to you. And even the Agents from CCP are confirming the truth, which is out there. The truth is, Code always win!
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Mobadder Thworst
Covert Operations The Volition Cult
137
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Posted - 2015.03.25 12:31:41 -
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Zepher Helen Hawat wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Zepher Helen Hawat wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
No one is killing your game. Stop with the hysterical reactions...even if somehow all nonconsensual PvP was removed from highsec (which no one is contemplating) you would still be more than welcome to go shoot people in nullsec.
No. In a spaceship PVP game, we should be allowed to shoot spaceships where ever we want. This delusion that High-Sec is to be 100% safe is just silly, and moronic. You want safe, go play another game. Go shoot up the newbie systems and let CCP know your opinions of the matter. Highsec is designed to be lawful, and nonconsensual PvP is a criminal act there. Rookie systems are off limits for a reason, and I think no one dis agrees with that. The rest of Hi-sec though is fair game. There are enough factors in place which make it difficult enough as it is for PVP there. No need to take it away completely just because of a few whiners that can't handle lose.
I disagree.
If we are going to retain them, we have to get to them in the first 15 days. I would have said noob training systems are early enough... But may have to travel to the spawn systems too if we are going to properly care for them.
You are the one that's forcing them to quit from neglect and boredom. I always entertain my noobs. No |
Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
134
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Posted - 2015.03.25 14:10:40 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Highsec is designed to be lawful, and nonconsensual PvP is a criminal act there.
No, highsec is designed merely to have NPC's do a job that is done by players in non-highsec: reactively impose a consequence for unsanctioned acts. And, Concord only takes your ship. They don't kill you or put you in jail. Eve is a place of consequences, not of laws. The only difference between areas of Eve in that regard is whether NPC's or the controlling players mete out the consequences.
And there's all kinds of non-consensual PvP in highsec that Concord doesn't "criminalize".
You really are ignorant about what you talk about.
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2147
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Posted - 2015.03.25 14:31:35 -
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Zepher Helen Hawat wrote:Rookie systems are off limits for a reason, and I think no one dis agrees with that. The rest of Hi-sec though is fair game. There are enough factors in place which make it difficult enough as it is for PVP there. No need to take it away completely just because of a few whiners that can't handle lose. Rookie systems are not off limit for wars. We had these discussions a few time with CCP (including apologies etc).
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - DELETE THE WEAK , ADAPT OR DIE !
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2551
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Posted - 2015.03.25 14:47:50 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Veers Belvar wrote: No Veers just doesn't buy into your delusional rhetoric that chasing people into npc corps and making highsec socially isolated and boring is somehow good for the game. Good for some lame giggles - sure...good for actually fostering multiplayer play? No way, Jose. But as a smart man once said "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."
what quote best approximates "this idiot isn't going to accept he has been wrong for years merely because the data unambiguiously proves it, because he is literally not smart enough to realize it's all over"
How about: Veers, your village called - they want you back.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
136
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Posted - 2015.03.25 17:22:07 -
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Boy howdy! With this recent statistical debunking of carebear myths, CCP joins the elite groups generating massive carebear tears and butthurt.
Welcome to the club, CCP!
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
1031
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Posted - 2015.03.25 17:52:46 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Boy howdy! With this recent statistical debunking of carebear myths, CCP joins the elite groups generating massive carebear tears and butthurt.
Welcome to the club, CCP!
Hehehe, club. Like clubbing baby seals. I see what you didn't do intentionally there. |
Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc. Ixtab.
124
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Posted - 2015.03.25 18:27:45 -
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Just going to drop this in here. TLDR: Correlation does not imply causation |
Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1192
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Posted - 2015.03.25 18:59:54 -
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Jack Hayson wrote:Just going to drop this in here. TLDR: Correlation does not imply causation
I see your off topic post and raise you this TLDR: You don't make sense and will end up with a goat.
Very nice link you found, too bad it has nothing to do with the players who get ganked staying longer and being 200% more awesome than the wow diva's crying to nerf my boats.
D.
STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
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Masao Kurata
Z List
202
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Posted - 2015.03.25 19:58:51 -
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Okay devil's advocate time: some of the new players who get ganked are ganked because it was very profitable to do so, meaning that they have unusual wealth for a new player, probably from plexing, showing an increased willingness to give CCP money, e.g. for subbing. The stats don't just show a get ganked -> stay in EVE causal link.
But almost everyone who stuck around has a positive story to tell that starts with adversity, and rats don't provide that. |
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