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Count TaSessine
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.16 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: Count TaSessine on 16/10/2006 19:45:56 ISS Consido and ISS Fabrica (ISS Providence Outpost corporation), Catch and Providence
Current situation: ISS Consido (IS-R7P) and ISS Fabrica, two jumps away in QR-K85, are both online, tapping into markets in both Providence and northern Catch. POS fuel, industrial trade goods and skillbooks are available at Consido/Fabrica, providing some the conveniences of empire in 0.0. Office rentals and docking rates are prolific and generate much of the outpost's income. Local ISS and community-operated non-ISS intel channels are operating to help keep pilots safe and important instaÆs are sold often on escrow to those that need them.
Business plan: Production outpost Fabrica will have most Tech 1 module and ship BPOs under battleship placed on the market. Research will continue to be promoted among local corps and more bpcs will become availible on escrow. Tech 1 and Tech 2 mineral shipments will be made when required to keep the outpost stocked. Following "Invention" in Kali, it is hoped that Tech 2 production can begin at ISS Fabrica through tech 2 bpcs.
Dividend payouts: Oct 1 - 1,257,949,634.00 ISK Sep 1- 866,803,112.00 ISK * Aug 1 - 530,790,259.00 ISK Jul 1 - 1,448,462,083.00 ISK å
* September was the first month's payout since Fabrica went online 6th August. å This was the first payment and was inflated with leftovers from the construction fund.
signed Nyphur, Station Manager
Chairman, ISS
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Count TaSessine
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.16 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: Count TaSessine on 16/10/2006 19:45:04 ISS Cassini, Pure Blind (ISS Cassini corporation), Pure Blind
Current situation: ISS Cassini is located in EC-P8R in Pure Blind, one jump from Empire. The revenue sources in order of importance to ISS Cassini are: Office rentals, docking fees, market orders, moon rentals, repair charges, manufacturing/research slot rentals, and clone fees. Due to a recent change of management and the reinstitution of docking fees, revenues have increased in all areas. ISS Cassini revenue is sensitive to the degree of local pirate activity, which has increased somewhat in early October. Currently one hostile POS exists in EC-P8R, but is not a threat to sovereignty.
Business plan: Because of the proximity to Empire space and higher than average combat activity in the EC-P8R chokepoint, ISS Cassini has a specialized fee and incentive structure. Office rentals are only 35M/month and have station service fee waiver benefits. In order to help pacify EC-P8R, a "good neighbour" program has been implemented to lower station fees for benign local corporations. The moon rental program is being revitalized. With 7 office slots still open and many moons unrented, there is still substantial additional revenue potential available.
Dividend payouts: Oct 1 - 788,075,412.00 Sept 1 - 408,791,923.00 August 1 - 744,222,236.00 July 1 - 644,965,299.00
signed Manas, Station Manager
Chairman, ISS
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Count TaSessine
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.16 19:44:00 -
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Interstellar Starbase Syndicate [ISS] is an alliance which allows small and medium sized corporations access to 0.0 space under favourable conditions [see www.eve-iss.com for more information]. The alliance does not hold or claim territory anywhere in Eve.
The alliance operates a number of outposts which are owned by shareholders from all over Eve. Each month, the revenue from these outposts is paid out as dividends to the shareholders.
In addition, the alliance manages one non-public outpost on behalf of Lotka Volterra in Tenerifis.
Below this post you will find a financial report from the station manager of each of the public ISS outposts or outpost complexes.
Overall, the outpost business strategy of the ISS is a non-confrontational strategy, in the sense that we seek out areas in Eve with little or no infrastructure to build outposts. We believe this serves two purposes:
1/ In the long term, it is more profitable than building in areas with lots of previous infrastructure. Why compete with other over limited trade opportunities, when the Eve galaxy is so empty? 2/ Building outposts between existing territorial 0.0 alliances provide opportunities (OOC: and gameplay) to both our members and non-ISS inhabitants of the regions weÆre present in (OOC: including the pirates) as well as the neighbouring territorial alliances who gain additional potential channels for shifting their 0.0 produced items and minerals.
As a business strategy, a non-confrontational strategy is always riskier than conventional strategies which are molded to compete in fixed markets, but we believe our choice serves both the community and the shareholders better in the long run.
Feel free to ask questions to the station managers as you see fit. We will try to answer them to the best of our ability.
Chairman, ISS
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Count TaSessine
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.16 19:44:00 -
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xxx Chairman, ISS
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Count TaSessine
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.16 19:44:00 -
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xxx Chairman, ISS
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Serenity Steele
Rearden Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:44:00 -
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Good Job, great to see. Particularly the history.
Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
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Level4
Minmatar Red Frog Investments Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.17 08:21:00 -
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Very interesting report, thanx for the hard work.
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2006.10.17 08:59:00 -
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Hi,
Thanks alot for these. Reminding me once again what a wise investment the ISS shares I hold were.
Best Wises on these and any future ventures you seek,
Taur
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Level4 Edited by: Level4 on 17/10/2006 09:19:56 Very interesting report, thanx for the hard work.
Small question: you mentioned "On most days 10-20 slots are in usage, but we have yet to see significant production queues" What would you see as the Top-3 causes for this ? is it lack of low end minerals ? lack of skilled manufacturers ? Or lack of buyers for the finished goods ?
Lack of minerals
Originally by: Eris Discordia
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2006.10.17 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Level4 Edited by: Level4 on 17/10/2006 09:19:56 Very interesting report, thanx for the hard work.
Small question: you mentioned "On most days 10-20 slots are in usage, but we have yet to see significant production queues" What would you see as the Top-3 causes for this ? is it lack of low end minerals ? lack of skilled manufacturers ? Or lack of buyers for the finished goods ?
Lack of minerals
Que a bunch of budding industrialists lightbulbs glowing.
Do ISS Logistics still offer the freighter services to the stations? If so can you tell us all the current standard rates and contacts?
Thanks,
Taur
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Bruno Bonner
Gallente Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2006.10.17 14:33:00 -
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Excellent report Count Tassesine, much appreciated. May i suggest you post this information on the ISS website?
regards Bruno
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Count TaSessine
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:43:00 -
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Thanks.
As for the challenges with Tycho, yes, I'd say lack of minerals is the major inhibitor.
Chairman, ISS
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Level4
Minmatar Red Frog Investments Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Taurequis Do ISS Logistics still offer the freighter services to the stations? If so can you tell us all the current standard rates and contacts?
Thanks,
Taur
Actually would like to know that too
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Stins
Gallente ISS Logistics
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Posted - 2006.10.17 20:40:00 -
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ISS logistics does not offer non-iss freighter transports anymore. while ISS logistics dedicates itself to stock ISS outposts with supplies. We have made a start with mineral stocks a few weeks ago, I brought 2 freighters full of tritanium and pyerite to tycho, which sold out very fast. I hope supply to ISS outposts will be more steady in the near future.
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Kukishin
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Posted - 2006.10.17 20:57:00 -
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Anymore shares from any of the stations left?
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Stins
Gallente ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.17 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kukishin Anymore shares from any of the stations left?
ISS only sells shares on the IPO. You might want to take a look on EGSE, or look at the sell forums. ISS management will happily act as a broker.
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.03 00:12:00 -
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Update please!
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.03 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn Update please!
What exactly needs updating? Besides the next profit announcements being released since dividends were released today, I am pretty sure the business plans are the same.
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2006.11.03 10:09:00 -
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Hi,
Looked like a very good providence div this month.
Pretty good Margin's too...
War is good for buisness me thinks.
Taur
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.03 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Lilan Kahn Update please!
What exactly needs updating? Besides the next profit announcements being released since dividends were released today, I am pretty sure the business plans are the same.
Think of the update request for a help for count to find the topic for when he updates it with new dividens
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Stins
Gallente ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.06 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Stins on 06/11/2006 18:44:48 November has been a very good month for all outposts. All outposts scored way above average payout. With some projects lined up within ISS, we expect to maintain this growth in the next months.
November 1 payout per outpost:
marginis: 2.500M isk borealis: 1.435M isk Providence: 1.732M isk Cassini: 732M isk
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Astarte Nosferatu
House Nosferatu Sani Khal'Vecna
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Posted - 2006.12.04 10:13:00 -
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December dividend payout: (based on the EvE-mail ISS shareholders get when dividend get's paid)
ISS Marginis - 2.376.709.324 ISS Providence - 1.133.592.443 ISS Borealis - 793.533.020 ISS Cassini - 501.608.531
With the current growth of the EvE economy, and the increasing maturity of our financial and corporate system, perhaps it's time to start thinking about building one of each race type Outpost in the same constellation in one of the eight new regions? Doing that in multiple constellations in multiple regions would work too . At least build some Minmatar Outposts in the new regions, people are going to want to refine the drone loot.
Anyways, keep up the good work, and keep the dividends flowing .
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Astarte Nosferatu
MBN Holding Corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.01 23:55:00 -
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Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 01/01/2007 23:55:40 January results:
ISS Borealis: 549.304.942 isk ISS Cassini: 459.806.258 isk ISS Marginis: 2.600.899.690 isk ISS Providence: 1.388.496.818 isk
January's dividends show a steady increase in income for ISS Marginis and ISS Providence, while ISS Borealis and ISS Cassini keep dropping in revenue. Perhaps a new direction is needed to make ISS Borealis and ISS Cassini profitable again?
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.01.02 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 01/01/2007 23:55:40 January results:
ISS Borealis: 549.304.942 isk ISS Cassini: 459.806.258 isk ISS Marginis: 2.600.899.690 isk ISS Providence: 1.388.496.818 isk
January's dividends show a steady increase in income for ISS Marginis and ISS Providence, while ISS Borealis and ISS Cassini keep dropping in revenue. Perhaps a new direction is needed to make ISS Borealis and ISS Cassini profitable again?
They could start by getting blue with the major Northern alliances again. The guys shooting ISS are the same guys who aren't using ISS services. This applies more to Cassini than Borealis though, Borealis got FUBAR'd hard by D2 moving up to Branch and has never really recovered. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
Rawne Karrde
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.01.02 15:05:00 -
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Interesting numbers, its funny though how in the "wrath of the shareholders" thread Count T talked about how war was good for business, and in subsequent threads Count T has now said that war is bad for business.
These numbers suggest that Count's original position is correct, however makes one wonder, if things were really that bad for marginis would investors really know? I mean you guys just got tossed 100 bil + for your alliance IPO. Would be pretty easy to slip a bil or two on the Marginis payout without no one the wiser....
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Makhan
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Posted - 2007.01.02 16:38:00 -
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Pardon my ignorance, but when are the ISSO payouts anyway?
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Stins
ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Rawne Karrde Interesting numbers, its funny though how in the "wrath of the shareholders" thread Count T talked about how war was good for business, and in subsequent threads Count T has now said that war is bad for business.
These numbers suggest that Count's original position is correct, however makes one wonder, if things were really that bad for marginis would investors really know? I mean you guys just got tossed 100 bil + for your alliance IPO. Would be pretty easy to slip a bil or two on the Marginis payout without no one the wiser....
However I can no way "proof" it, us wiring cash from ISSO to ISSM corp would "solve" a bad month for the outpost, but in the long term, we would run dry on cash. We don't mess with the numbers.
ISSO dividends are expected tonight, as they need a bit more calculation instead of just hitting the dividend button.
About the northern outposts... We are aware of their performance and seeking how to get them back on track again.
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DeathGrip
Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:26:00 -
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Honest Question -
I know ISS lost 2 dreads in the past week or so, and I know this war is going to drag on forever. How does capital ship loss's and this war effect the shareholders like myself.
AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play. |
Lilan Kahn
Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: DeathGrip Honest Question -
I know ISS lost 2 dreads in the past week or so, and I know this war is going to drag on forever. How does capital ship loss's and this war effect the shareholders like myself.
Shoud it effect you?
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Proton Power
Amarr Power Corrupts Trading Inc Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: DeathGrip Honest Question -
I know ISS lost 2 dreads in the past week or so, and I know this war is going to drag on forever. How does capital ship loss's and this war effect the shareholders like myself.
Shoud it effect you?
You know comments like this really tick me off from an IPO. He asked a legit question, does it effect the share holders. Dreads are what? 2bil isk each. That is 4bil isk loss. Does that come from shareholders or from ISS. Does this war help the stations atm, or does it hurt them. Your suppose to be a public corp, you shouldnt attack everyones comments. -----------------------------------------------
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: DeathGrip Honest Question -
I know ISS lost 2 dreads in the past week or so, and I know this war is going to drag on forever. How does capital ship loss's and this war effect the shareholders like myself.
Shoud it effect you?
You know comments like this really tick me off from an IPO. He asked a legit question, does it effect the share holders. Dreads are what? 2bil isk each. That is 4bil isk loss. Does that come from shareholders or from ISS. Does this war help the stations atm, or does it hurt them. Your suppose to be a public corp, you shouldnt attack everyones comments.
Engangeing your brain kinda helps you know, dose it say any where in the ipo oh iss wil take your iskis and buy shiny ships?
Dont fly what you cant afford to lose but okay some peopel need every thing cut out in cardboard
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Proton Power
Amarr Power Corrupts Trading Inc Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:48:00 -
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This is why I chose not to invest billions into ISS new IPO. You guys treat your share holders like crap. -----------------------------------------------
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ELITE's LOTTO
ELITE.
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:53:00 -
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Actually I kinda agree with Proton here. I dont know about the dread loss's, but what about the ships loss's and such to defend the outposts, and lost POS's.
Who is paying for these things?
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: ELITE's LOTTO Actually I kinda agree with Proton here. I dont know about the dread loss's, but what about the ships loss's and such to defend the outposts, and lost POS's.
Who is paying for these things?
http://www.eve-iss.com/ISSO/9.asp
pos and crap gets paid for by corperations inside iss the ipo plan is prety stright forward
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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DeathGrip
Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:00:00 -
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With the bad dividends, and always being shot at, wouldnt you have a bad attitude lol.
Was just a question, but guess they dont know how to handle questions, its all good though.
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Tirg
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:27:00 -
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Cleaned. Trolling is not welcome on the forums. If you have any questions, please email us at [email protected].
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: ELITE's LOTTO Actually I kinda agree with Proton here. I dont know about the dread loss's, but what about the ships loss's and such to defend the outposts, and lost POS's.
Who is paying for these things?
Exactly. I know ISSN, at least, does ship replacement and free fittings; where do those iskies come from?
Also, a simple, clear answer to a shareholder's question is always better than a snarky one. Show some class.
MP
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Stins
ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.03 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power This is why I chose not to invest billions into ISS new IPO. You guys treat your share holders like crap.
"you guys" ?....... Lilan Kahn does not represent ISS. He has no position in ISS management who handles the ISSO IPO.
To asnwer the question. ISSO did pay out a 5% dividend today, only a few weeks after we put the isk to work. Like defined in the business plan, profits between 5% and 10% will be put back into the alliance to make our logistical backbone stronger. Outpost defence like the current operation is included in that. ISSO shareholders will not suffer from this war. The shopping basket in marginis, for example, sells way above our expectations at the moment.
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Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2007.01.03 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: DeathGrip Honest Question -
I know ISS lost 2 dreads in the past week or so, and I know this war is going to drag on forever. How does capital ship loss's and this war effect the shareholders like myself.
Shoud it effect you?
You know comments like this really tick me off from an IPO. He asked a legit question, does it effect the share holders.
It's a legit and complete answer from my point of view: "No, capital ship losses and this war do not effect shareholders. Is there any reason why they should?"
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.01.03 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ramblin Man It's a legit and complete answer from my point of view: "No, capital ship losses and this war do not effect shareholders. Is there any reason why they should?"
Yes. Because if, for example, ISS offers a discount on dreads to in-alliance corps, that's a missed opportunity cost--i.e., a missed bit of profit.
MP
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Astarte Nosferatu
MBN Holding Corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.03 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Originally by: Ramblin Man It's a legit and complete answer from my point of view: "No, capital ship losses and this war do not effect shareholders. Is there any reason why they should?"
Yes. Because if, for example, ISS offers a discount on dreads to in-alliance corps, that's a missed opportunity cost--i.e., a missed bit of profit.
MP
But it helps more ISS members in Capital Ships, whereas the members had to pay 100% of the Capital Ship cost, there would be a substantial part of the members that simply couldn't afford a Dreadnaught or Carrier, thus less members would be able to contribute to the effective defence of the outposts.
There's a subtle balance between profit and effeciency, the only thing we can ask for is that ISS leadership aims for that balance, which I think they will if they are serious about ISS continued survival.
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Proton Power
Amarr Power Corrupts Trading Inc Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Originally by: Ramblin Man It's a legit and complete answer from my point of view: "No, capital ship losses and this war do not effect shareholders. Is there any reason why they should?"
Yes. Because if, for example, ISS offers a discount on dreads to in-alliance corps, that's a missed opportunity cost--i.e., a missed bit of profit.
MP
But it helps more ISS members in Capital Ships, whereas the members had to pay 100% of the Capital Ship cost, there would be a substantial part of the members that simply couldn't afford a Dreadnaught or Carrier, thus less members would be able to contribute to the effective defence of the outposts.
There's a subtle balance between profit and effeciency, the only thing we can ask for is that ISS leadership aims for that balance, which I think they will if they are serious about ISS continued survival.
I dont think DeathGrip was asking why they do it, I think he was more asking what do they do. And from what I can gather ISS pays for its own ships and such and dosnt effect the IPO. -----------------------------------------------
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DeathGrip
Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Stins
Originally by: Proton Power This is why I chose not to invest billions into ISS new IPO. You guys treat your share holders like crap.
"you guys" ?....... Lilan Kahn does not represent ISS. He has no position in ISS management who handles the ISSO IPO.
To asnwer the question. ISSO did pay out a 5% dividend today, only a few weeks after we put the isk to work. Like defined in the business plan, profits between 5% and 10% will be put back into the alliance to make our logistical backbone stronger. Outpost defence like the current operation is included in that. ISSO shareholders will not suffer from this war. The shopping basket in marginis, for example, sells way above our expectations at the moment.
Looks to me like Lilan has the ISS Alliance Ticker. Looks to me like he is answering for ISS, maybe you should let him/her not to do such things if ISS is not going to take responsibility for his/her posts. Just like if I went on here and posted that AXE is at war with ISS now, does that mean its official, NO. But makes you wonder what Axe is doing if it wasnt'. Anyway I seem to like ganking in your space and will continue to do so until I get a public appology from Lilan or he/she is no longer in corp. If you dont believe me ask your alliance about our small gang yesterday.
AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play. |
Lilan Kahn
Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:32:00 -
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Wellcom to providence/catch.
Hope you enjoy the fun like me.
Love Lilan.
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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DeathGrip
Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: DeathGrip on 03/01/2007 15:40:21
Originally by: Lilan Kahn Wellcom to providence/catch.
Hope you enjoy the fun like me.
Love Lilan.
Loving it so far.
I am sure your alliance mates like to lose ships due to your mouth, matter of fact in local I think even some of your alliance mates expressed how much they liked you.
AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play. |
Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Originally by: Ramblin Man It's a legit and complete answer from my point of view: "No, capital ship losses and this war do not effect shareholders. Is there any reason why they should?"
Yes. Because if, for example, ISS offers a discount on dreads to in-alliance corps, that's a missed opportunity cost--i.e., a missed bit of profit.
MP
But it helps more ISS members in Capital Ships, whereas the members had to pay 100% of the Capital Ship cost, there would be a substantial part of the members that simply couldn't afford a Dreadnaught or Carrier, thus less members would be able to contribute to the effective defence of the outposts.
There's a subtle balance between profit and effeciency, the only thing we can ask for is that ISS leadership aims for that balance, which I think they will if they are serious about ISS continued survival.
And if they do have a discount program, then the original question is valid--how does the loss of those capital ships affect things? Because if they do have a discount program, it DOES have an effect.
MP
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.03 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Lilan Kahn on 03/01/2007 19:03:58
Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Originally by: Ramblin Man It's a legit and complete answer from my point of view: "No, capital ship losses and this war do not effect shareholders. Is there any reason why they should?"
Yes. Because if, for example, ISS offers a discount on dreads to in-alliance corps, that's a missed opportunity cost--i.e., a missed bit of profit.
MP
But it helps more ISS members in Capital Ships, whereas the members had to pay 100% of the Capital Ship cost, there would be a substantial part of the members that simply couldn't afford a Dreadnaught or Carrier, thus less members would be able to contribute to the effective defence of the outposts.
There's a subtle balance between profit and effeciency, the only thing we can ask for is that ISS leadership aims for that balance, which I think they will if they are serious about ISS continued survival.
And if they do have a discount program, then the original question is valid--how does the loss of those capital ships affect things? Because if they do have a discount program, it DOES have an effect.
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We dont. *edit* We as in me and others havent seen a deime of isk to buy ships with*
We do have a few corperations in iss building carriers and dread who sells at a discount for there own motives.
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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solidshot
Sebiestor tribe
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Edited by: solidshot on 06/01/2007 09:42:21
Originally by: Lilan Kahn Edited by: Lilan Kahn on 03/01/2007 19:03:58
Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Originally by: Ramblin Man It's a legit and complete answer from my point of view: "No, capital ship losses and this war do not effect shareholders. Is there any reason why they should?"
Yes. Because if, for example, ISS offers a discount on dreads to in-alliance corps, that's a missed opportunity cost--i.e., a missed bit of profit.
MP
But it helps more ISS members in Capital Ships, whereas the members had to pay 100% of the Capital Ship cost, there would be a substantial part of the members that simply couldn't afford a Dreadnaught or Carrier, thus less members would be able to contribute to the effective defence of the outposts.
There's a subtle balance between profit and effeciency, the only thing we can ask for is that ISS leadership aims for that balance, which I think they will if they are serious about ISS continued survival.
And if they do have a discount program, then the original question is valid--how does the loss of those capital ships affect things? Because if they do have a discount program, it DOES have an effect.
MP
We dont. *edit* We as in me and others havent seen a deime of isk to buy ships with*
We do have a few corperations in iss building carriers and dread who sells at a discount for there own motives.
Above you stated that you don't recieve a dime from the ISS for losses? but in the corps and allinces section Algey has stated Quote: I get full reimbursment from ISSN for ship losses,
on this page so is the ISS pulling your chain Lilan or is one of you bull****ting?
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Halafian
The Graduates
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Posted - 2007.01.06 16:19:00 -
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I wouldn't know for sure, but logic suggests that funding ISSN is a cost of doing business. Where's the problem exactly? You don't want ISS to fund ISSN? Station defense is part of the budget. Some of the cost is probably alleviated by market synergies not within the scope of any of the IPOs.
Doesn't really seem all that complicated. Unless you're just hear to gloat.
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Hehulk
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.06 17:53:00 -
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IIRC, the ISSN is funded with a monthly budget that comes out of what the member corps of ISS pay. That is in addition to the corps paying for ISS to pay whoever to allow them access to 0.0. ---------- It's great being minmatar, ain't it |
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Serenity Steele
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations
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Posted - 2007.01.07 21:35:00 -
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The ISSN is funded out of a monthly pre-allocated budget. This comes from existing pre-ipo revenue streams. It doesn't effect the IPO profitability. New ISS IPO
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James 315
The Older Gamers
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Posted - 2007.01.08 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ramblin Man
Originally by: Proton Power
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: DeathGrip Honest Question -
I know ISS lost 2 dreads in the past week or so, and I know this war is going to drag on forever. How does capital ship loss's and this war effect the shareholders like myself.
Shoud it effect you?
You know comments like this really tick me off from an IPO. He asked a legit question, does it effect the share holders.
It's a legit and complete answer from my point of view: "No, capital ship losses and this war do not effect shareholders. Is there any reason why they should?"
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Originally by: Stins ISSO shareholders will not suffer from this war.
Quoted for future reference.
I've invested 10 billion into this IPO, it's taken me 3 and a half years of hard work to make that from nothing so you treat it with some respect.
Shareholders are understandably disgruntled with this stupid and pointless war, what really ****es us off is this blanket of silence from ISS management regarding our investments.
We didn't ask for these wars, and we certainly didn't give you guys countless billions to galavant around the galaxy starting fights. So unless you intend to drop the 0.0 politics and get back to business then give us our share money back and do whatever you like.
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Originally by: Ginger Magician ...this was not a fight it was simply a pathetic gank.
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